“Yes, I know – brainwashing doesn’t exist. But in the same way that a ‘cult member’ can be so obtuse and resistive to contrary experience, so can everyone else. Including you, and including federal prosecutor Moira Penza.
“Watch Dr. Roberts’ experience with Moira for yourself. Ask yourself – was Moira brainwashed? Is that why she resigned [from the Dept. of Justice]? She finally ‘deprogrammed’ herself after seeing what she saw of the ‘cult’ of the federal prosecutor’s office?”
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I think one of the most rattling experiences that that I had was actually with Moira Kim Penza and the prosecution. This was at the beginning [2018?] when a lot of this stuff started happening and, you know, I had a meeting with them.
I had two different meetings. They were eight hours apiece. It was at the end of the first meeting, where I had spent eight hours speaking with her and a team of about 15 people.
There were 15 people in the room, my lawyer and one other person that were with me and about 15 other people listening and for eight hours. We took a little break in the middle for a snack, that was about it, and she asked me many questions.
We went over, you know, from the beginning through a bunch of different content points and I took the time and the care to answer her questions, to go through this process with her clearly because I mean, my experience, there was nothing abusive. There was nothing wrong that had happened in the entire situation.
I honestly, as naïve as it may have been, thought that that would give her insight. I mean, here, having me lived there for five, six years, knowing these people intimately, having direct experience, I thought that would shed some light, and by the end of the conversation, it was very interesting.
There were a few points especially about collateral, especially about branding, that when I had a different opinion than hers, she was very insistent, but, by the end of the conversation, she came up to me and she went to hug me and after, and, at the end of the conversation, she took on, all of a sudden, her energy went from like asking these questions in this way and kind of cornering the uncertain points until I would change my mind and my lawyer kind of jumping in, having to say like ‘she’s not going to change her mind. That was her experience’ to, like, her whole demeanor changed. She went to hug me as if I were broken, as if, like, I just didn’t get it, like clearly her experience and all the research they’ve done and the evidence they’ve gathered was more revealing than my direct experience of the people that I’ve known for five years and like, “I’m so, I’m so sorry for you. I’m so sorry you don’t see it, and, if at any point, you know, like, I’m so sorry you, you’ve been victimized like this. There’s a victim hotline through the FBI and here’s the number’ and like I couldn’t even speak.
Like I was just stunned. Like I went downstairs with my lawyer, I got to the top of the steps and I was just, honestly, I just started crying because like the shock hit me, like she couldn’t, she couldn’t take in anything I was saying.
You know I was either a co-conspirator or I was a victim and there was no other way for her to hear that I was a human that chose this experience and I just walked home, like honestly, just like shocked and emotional and like pretty helpless that the top prosecutor that was prosecuting this case has no hope of seeing the truth. It was very humbling.
Had Dr. Roberts decided to support the prosecution, or see it their way, I think she would have her medical license today.
I think even if she had chosen not to cooperate with the criminal prosecution, had she decided to denounce Keith Raniere and the branding under false pretenses – during her medical license hearing, [after Raniere’s conviction] she could have held on to her medical license.
The hearing committee seemed to go out of their way to allow her to denounce Raniere and her decision not to do so sealed her fate, medically.
In my opinion, the most odious of the practices of DOS was to lie to women, telling them the brand was a representation of the four elements when it was, in reality, a monster’s initials. This has come to haunt the rascal Raniere and because Roberts was a medical professional, she was held to a higher standard that a mere tattoo artist would be held.
It played hard against Roberts who is now selling term life insurance instead of practicing the profession she loved – the care of people as a physician.
As for Penza, she has risen to new heights as an attorney in private practice and is considered one of the rising stars in the New York legal community. There is no place she goes where they do not mention her name and with respect.
Did she fail to see that Roberts had her own experience? It seems to me in retrospect that when she reached out to hug Dr. Roberts, she was trying to hug her into saving herself, her personal life, and, as it turns out, her career.
Yes, there are trials and tribulations connected with standing up. But sometimes standing up is not the thing to do, like standing up for the notion that you can deceive women about a permanent scar you will place on their bodies, something that will forever disfigure them – not telling them that you are placing a hog’s initials on them, a sadist monster who delights in the pain and punishment of others.
Dr. Roberts may have been well intended, and thought she was helping women, but truth always triumphs. Penza was right and she was trying to save Roberts and, for whatever bad karma or lack of insight, Roberts missed the chance at the hug of a lifetime. That hug, had she embraced it, might have saved her.
Even if DOS was meant for good, had she just been able to say, it’s wrong to lie to women about the meaning of a brand – it is as unethical a thing as one can do to another person you say you care about.
Truth is always the best medicine. And for that failure to apply it, Dr Roberts lost the right to give others any kind of medicine at all.
Why hasn’t Frank posted up Patriot God’s important announcement here yet?! This is serious, Frank! Please let us know what he has to say by posting up his important announcement!
The ending to this article was beautifully written.
To Roberts
Yeah, it’s so shocking when a stranger pities you for flushing your life down a toilet for a pedo-rapist.
What’s shocking is that you’re surprised….
Moira Penza is a beautiful, accomplished woman. She admirably did the job for which she was hired.
I know concepts like having a career. Or how the United States criminal justice system works are foreign when you’ve dedicated your life to being a cult leader’s slave, But Keith’s slaves are “attacking” the wrong person. And not effectively.
If the big revelation of Moira Penza as a compassionate human being is the worst complaint the DOS left-overs have about Moira’s professional conduct — then I am even more blown away by this incredible attorney.
This was a massive prosecution undertaking. Keith’s criminal conduct spanned over a decade. So many detailed long term abuses and crimes.
From the victims and the witnesses all the way to the court room observers (including Frank Parlato) Moira Penza has received wide and consistent accolades
Moira Penza really did a stupendous job.
These cult die-hards are just sore losers.
The loyalists can’t really prove Keith’s innocence. So instead, they are trying to make Moira Penza guilty.
And she has done nothing wrong. Moira Penza did her job.
It’s a bad look. And most importantly a really unsuccessful undertaking and a waste of Keith’s loyalists (seemingly endless) time.
It’s just the very last, most tired ploy of the desperate and defeated. And maybe it feels a little good. For Keith’s followers to try and make Moira Penza their boogie man and attempt to trash this lovely person.
But no one who matters is really buying what Keith’s cult followers are selling here.
Moira Penza is a beautiful, accomplished woman. She admirably did the job for which she was hired.
I know concepts like having a career – or how the United States criminal justice system works – are foreign when you’ve dedicated your life to being a cult leader’s slave, but Keith’s slaves are “attacking” the wrong person. And not effectively.
If the big revelation of Moira Penza as a compassionate human being is the worst complaint the DOS left-overs have about Moira’s professional conduct — then I am even more blown away by this incredible attorney.
This was a massive prosecution undertaking. Keith’s criminal conduct spanned over a decade. So many detailed long-term abuses and crimes.
From the victims and the witnesses all the way to the court room observers (including Frank Parlato), Moira Penza has received wide and consistent accolades
Moira Penza really did a stupendous job.
These cult die-hards are just sore losers.
The loyalists can’t really prove Keith’s innocence. So instead, they are trying to make Moira Penza guilty.
And she has done nothing wrong. Moira Penza did her job.
It’s a bad look. And most importantly, a really unsuccessful undertaking and a waste of Keith’s loyalists (seemingly endless) time.
It’s just the very last, most tired ploy of the desperate and defeated. And maybe it feels a little good for Keith’s followers to try and make Moira Penza their boogie man and attempt to trash this lovely person.
But no one who matters is really buying what Keith’s cult followers are selling here.
Regardless of the ideals, it was PROVEN in court that DOS was used to provide sexual partners for Raniere. Dr. Danielle, you are a victim of that lie. Had you known the truth from the beginning you clearly would never have gotten involved.
Raniere’s antics destroyed your life and career. Your noble intentions have zero to do with Mr. Raniere’s proven criminality which has tainted everything he was affiliated with, now and forever. And frankly, I don’t think Mr. Raniere deserves your devotion.
So why are you defending him and DOS?
Just because the ideals sounded ethical and your personal experience seemed positive, it doesn’t mean it wouldn’t have gotten nasty later on – as it did for other women.
And on another note: Hey, Frank, why don’t you use some of your mad skills as a PR specialist to help Danielle get her medical license back? You know she’s a victim…
So Michele Hatchette decided that it would be a good idea to attack Moira Penza on Twitter (a dumber idea I cannot fathom, but then again look who we are talking about). In a 13 post rant, Michele makes a hilariously feeble attempt to impugn her. This includes some whiny comments about Moira blocking her on Twitter. No shit. You idiots showed up at her office in an attempt to intimidate her (also fucking stupid!). Aside from that, I’m sure Moira wants nothing to do with her and has better things to do than worry about the impotent rantings of a complete idiot.
Tale of the Tape (I happen to be watching boxing right now):
Moira Penza is a rising star in the New York law community and was educated at Cornell Law School where she earned a JD. She will go on to make millions of dollars.
Michele Hatchette is the manager of a restaurant and is a willing sex slave to a guy she can’t have sex with.
“…Moira was focused on winning this case, not investigating it. In my 20+ page affidavit I filed with the courts, I share in detail her inappropriate conduct with me during my proffer.” – Tweet 1/13 by Michele Hatchette. The other 12 are just as lame but if you wanna read them, here you go:
https://twitter.com/thismixele/status/1489807130840420354
After extensive research – i.e., 3-minutes doing Google searches and 8-minutes reading various Wikipedia postings – I finally located the source of many of the comments posted on Frank Report by Shadowstate1958, Scott Johnson, and Alanzo: https://conspiracychart.com/
K.R. Claviger-
RALMFAO!!!!
The 11 minutes were definitely well spent. I needed a good laugh. Thanks!
P.S.
Everyone should click the link!
I would hug the crap out of Danielle Roberts lol
Crazy in the head…crazy in the bed!
Doctor Robert(s)
-The Beatles- (sort of)
♪ DOS my friend, I said you’d call Doctor Roberts
Day or night she’ll be there any time at all, Doctor Roberts
Doctor Roberts, you’re a new and better man
She helps you to understand
She does everything to brand, Doctor Roberts
If you’re down she’ll pick you up, Doctor Roberts
Take a drink from her special cup, Doctor Roberts
Doctor Roberts, she’s a yogi you must believe
Scarring anyone in need
No one can succeed like Doctor Roberts
Well, well, well, you’re (not) feeling fine
Well, well, well, she’ll make you… Doctor Roberts
My friend works for the national health, Doctor Roberts
Don’t pay money just to see yourself with Doctor Roberts
Doctor Roberts, Keith’s a new and better man
He fooled you to get the brand
120 years in the can, Doctor Roberts
Well, well, well, you’re (not) feeling fine
Well, well, well, she’ll make you… Doctor Roberts
DOS my friend, I said you’d call Doctor Roberts
DOS my friend, I said you’d call Doctor Roberts
Doctor Roberts ♪
Excellent piece of writing, Frank. Cuts to the heart of the matter. Deceit. Rampant, purposeful, prodigious lies made quite consciously to “friends” for the purpose of enslaving them to Keith Alan Raniere.
The tornado of lies with DOS started at it’s conception. It was Keith Raniere’s diabolical invention. And yet the “slaves” were told that no man was involved at all.
“This is not a democracy” stated Keith Raniere (recorded) to his naked front-line slaves. Keith was in complete control and in charge of DOS. Designing and implementing the vaginal area branding. The blackmail/collateral. The starvation. So much porn. Abstinence from sex except with him.
The women in DOS were lied to about EVERYTHING. It was fraudulent and rotten to the very core. Every “practice” from starving to celibacy and the binder of vulvas was all for Keith Alan Raniere.
No good, honest or positive action can be built on such a rotten foundation. DOS was fatally flawed from the start. A poison and pus filled prison with enslaved women bound so tightly to a cult leader that the DOS evil had to burst open and spill its infection and sordid secrets out into the world. Like lancing a boil. Releasing all of that DOS pain and abuse. So there could finally be some room for healing.
By their own admission:
Danielle was too scared to testify for Keith.
Nicki Clyne was too scared.
Michelle Hatchette was too scared.
Linda and Sahajo were too scared.
The branded married women and DOS die-hards were also too scared to testify
None of Keith’s male followers stood up in court for vanguard. Too frightened.
But these Nxium dead-end cowards want to call out women who actually DID testify.
Those brave women had no expectation or guarantee of the criminal trial’s outcome. But they still soldiered on in court. They took an oath and courageously spoke their truth. For the legal record. In front of a jury.
Even Lauren had no guarantee of a plea deal through cooperating as a witness.
Danielle, what was the cage in the “dungeon” of the DOS “sorority house” to be used for? What about the enormous amount of bondage sex toys that Dani Padilla ordered for DOS? Why did all the slave women have to wear a “collar”? There was an awful lot of “puppy play” sex toys ordered for DOS. Can you explain how that kind of action is NOT sending a message that it was a “sex cult”? Or naked women getting bare ass paddled by another woman and recorded by a third woman for Keith to watch?
The court and media did not make the “sex cult” angle up whole cloth.. If you’re all taking photos of each other’s spread genitals, giving sexual seduction assignments, having group sex with Keith, keeping a binder of vulvas and ordering prodigious amounts of sex toys – don’t YOU ALL the DOS women and the DOS founder Keith Raniere bear at least SOME responsibility for the “sex cult” angle?
Informed consent – if you’ve been lied to, you have not been informed.
Thanks, Frank, that was very succinct. Lying and deception was at the core of DOS. I don’t doubt DOS helped people like Danielle. I admire her strength to fight for a cause no matter the odds and cost to herself. My problem with DOS and Nx echoes your’s: It was based on lies, manipulation and deception. It’s unexplainable to me that Danielle does not see this or admit to the abuse this created. With Bronfman money in hand, Nx conducted a witch hunt against defectors and anyone who did not fall in line with it’s orthodoxy,
Frank wrote:
It’s not perjury if the prosecutor wants you to say it.
Alanzo
Very incoherent babble for anyone, especially a ‘doctor’ and a very compassionate response from Penza.
If I were Roberts, I’d count that ‘hug’ as a blessing — it’s unlikely after all these attempts to torment the witnesses, that further ‘hugs’ and normal spontaneous human compassion will be coming your way.
How did these leftovers get to be so bratty at such a big age? And how is it legally possible for such bold witness intimidation to not end in tears for these big babies?
Bringing joy to their master with every step they take toward their own destruction. Sad. What to do but offer a hug?
They did and still do believe Keith. He’s very convincing. While most others now get it, these dead-enders continue to only focus on what supports their belief in Keith. I get it, but I don’t get it.
Same same Nutjob—I get it but I don’t get it.
— the most odious of the practices of DOS was to lie to the women, telling them the brand was a representation of the four elements when it was in reality the monster’s initials. —
IMO, the most decietful and criminal practice was that DOS recruits were tricked into giving collateral (blackmail) before they were ever told it was a master-slave group. Thus, the recruits were trapped into sexual slavery and never had the chance to give consent or not give it.
Sure, let’s accept the premise of Alanzo that brainwashing isn’t real.
Brain damage, whether it is physical, hormonal, endocrinological, neuro-chemical, etc., is real though.
The fact that these dead-enders still persist in the ridiculous notion that the collateral was freely given, like a bank loan, not coercive, and fully informed…well, you do the math.
Perhaps they don’t need a cult “deprogrammer”, but a licensed psychiatrist, counselor, neurologist, doctor, or mental health specialist.
Before the NXVIM fiasco, I always thought brainwashing was a colloquialism. Now, I am not so sure.
In NXIVM, it was the mind fuck called “rational inquiry”. They scrambled coherent logical thought process into Vanguard word salad, circular thinking.
For most students, it was difficult to recognize how insidious the practice was to mental health.
After 16 days of this, I walked out emotionally wounded. Thanks to a great partner and family, I left NXIVM behind.
Can you describe the process you underwent?
It’s very difficult to find any documentation or stories about the process of exploration of meaning online. Is rational inquiry the same as an EM?
What were some of the topics they took up with you?
Can you remember the procedure they applied?
Alanzo
Alanzo,
I have a 12.3mb .pdf file that goes well into Rational Inquiry, if you’d like to read it?
Some very deep googling went into finding it.
It is the March 26, 2003 application for patent and trademark submission.
21 Modules and all the word salad you can eat.
I’m a passive observer of NXIVM and certainly don’t need the Bronfmans on my trail,
but if you can provide an email I could let you have look-see.
Thanks AgingHipster. I have that. I just keep looking for more. If NXIVM used brainwashing techniques, they would be revealed in the literature like it is in Scientology.
Google “The Truth Rundown” for instance. Classical brainwashing techniques.
Funny thing tho: Leah Remini, Chris Shelton, Mike Rinder and other famous critics of Scientology all underwent “The Truth Rundown”.
It’s proof that brainwashing, like witchcraft, does not actually work even tho lots of people believe in it.
Alanzo
I wouldn’t expect him to remember details of EM unless he was trained in doing them. People were usually in an altered state during EM, and it was not at all unusual to not recall the details of the EM afterwards, other than some vague details.
EM and RI are different. However RI was also used as part of EMs as it was used in other places. RI was the framework, EMs and sourcings etc. could be said to be a specific implementation of a tool using that framework.
I’m pleased for you that you got out and had support to leave it behind. Good luck to you.
I did a 1 day / weekend Nx intro in 1999 with a fellow SUNY Albany alum. He was curious because he was involved with NLP and I hadn’t seen him in a decade so I joined him.
What I took away was their technology was stolen from other groups: Rational Emotive and Cognitive Therapy, EST, The Forum, NLP and Scientology. Furthermore, they claimed their leader was the smartest man in the world when there is no such thing as a “smartest man”. Scientists have been arguing about the definition and parameters of intelligence along with the difficulties of measurement for decades. It made Nx look foolish to claim ownership over something that was undefinable to begin with.
I had a good day/weekend but I said “no thanks”. I thought everyone would see through them as I and my friend did; and drop away quickly. I never suspected this fledgling organization would grow into a force that would terrorize dissidents, influence upstate NY politics, judicial proceedings, law enforcement, media and beyond. I had forgot about them completely until FR surfaced on my radar somehow in 2017.
What alerted me? They never seemed honest. They never gave credit to the other ‘technologies’ that they borrowed their program from. They flouted a leader who could not be what they claimed because that person does not exist. They demanded loyalty (bowing to the leader) when what they needed to be doing is giving love away freely.
Good to hear you left it behind. That sounds more like gaslighting; making you doubt your own sanity.
— Thanks to a great partner and family, I left NXIVM behind.
Did they do anything special to get you out? Obviously, you don’t have to answer, or if you do, go into details about it, but if you do, maybe you can provide some information that could help others in a similar situation.