Clever Keith Alan Raniere. He has been incarcerated at the Metropolitan Detention Center since April 2018 and he has big plans to be set free.
He has it all figured out, as the transcript of yet another of his phone calls from prison reveals.
It appears that many, or perhaps all, of his phone calls made from the prison phones have been monitored and recorded.
The government has shared some of these wonderful conversations between Raniere and one of his ardent disciples, a member of the Make Justice Blind affidavit seekers and The Forgotten Ones dancers, Suneel Chakravorty.
Frank Report has the honor to be publishing them in full.
This is the third phone conversation we have published between master and student.
My comments are [in bold and brackets]
RECORDING: 57005177 [Raniere’s prisoner number.]
DATE: April 8, 2020
TIME: 09:19:51 AM
PARTICIPANTS: Keith Raniere [RANIERE]
Suneel Chakravorty [CHAKRAVORTY]
RANIERE: Hey, what’s going on?
CHAKRAVORTY: Uh, uh, not, not much. Uh, how are you?
RANIERE: Uh, okay, there is a rumor this is going to go on for another 14 days. [Coronavirus lockdown] From here.
CHAKRAVORTY: What? Okay. Damn!
RANIERE: I’m not sure, but it sounds like it.
CHAKRAVORTY: Okay, that’s not, that’s not good.
RANIERE: No, it’s not. What’s, what’s new on your end?
CHAKRAVORTY: So new on our end here, uh, for the affidavit, uh, I have a bunch of, uh, stuff from the lawyers on different, uh, motions, so they can compile that today. [This is the now famous affidavit we have reported extensively on.]
RANIERE: Hold on, hold on.
CHAKRAVORTY: Uh, getting…
RANIERE: Okay, I’m sorry about that… Go on.
CHAKRAVORTY: Oh, okay, uh, as far as getting your cell phone, [apparently seized by the FBI] uh, apparently that’s, that’s considered contraband, um . . . [It has nude pics of underage girls on it?]
RANIERE: Yeah, I just read an email from Marc [Agnifilo, Raniere’s lawyer]. I wasn’t able to respond to any of them because since I have to do this so quickly… [Raniere only got a few minutes out of his cell because of lockdown.]
RANIERE: …uh, tell him I just… You can tell him I just got his email this morning. I was not able to respond, uh, but did read through them quickly. Uh, I think the phone is still my property. That was… I don’t think it was ever even subpoenaed.
CHAKRAVORTY: Oh, okay.
RANIERE: Um, so, you know and I… as, as far as pictures… there is nothing there, I believe is considered… I don’t know, I mean, I guess they can try to say certain pictures were considered illegal [of nude underage girls?] or something like that, but, um, you know, uh, uh, see what, see what he can do because that phone has not been subpoenaed.
CHAKRAVORTY: Okay, and I, I just need like screenshots of the different messages during that specific date range…[to get off Raniere’s phone in possession of the feds, to use as evidence of his innocence.]
RANIERE: Right. So, and it’s on WhatsApp and Telegram [on his phone]. There are things…
RANIERE: …with respect to Sylvie [A DOS slave that Raniere had taken nude photos of, after having her ordered to submit to sex with him and had her send them via Telegram] that could be like… um, in something else, but, uh, the Telegram and the WhatsApp are the big… WhatsApp in particular, uh, but also Telegram. I think I…
RANIERE: …dealt with like Sean Bergeron [a Nxivm member] in WhatsApp and a few other people like that. Not a lot, but you know.
CHAKRAVORTY: Got it.
RANIERE: It’s definitely I used it… so.
CHAKRAVORTY: Got it.
RANIERE: And the government knows it.
CHAKRAVORTY: Yeah, hmm, yeah, I guess, uh, the other difficulty is just them getting to the hard drive [that was seized at Raniere’s ‘library, which had nude pictures of 15 year old Cami on it.] Because [U/I] Marc is saying he may not be able to because I, I guess the office [DOJ office because of pandemic] is closed or some… something like, so that, uh…
RANIERE: Push as hard as they can.
CHAKRAVORTY: [U/I]. Yeah.
RANIERE: You know what I mean?
RANIERE: Keep on pushing.
RANIERE: Don’t stop.
CHAKRAVORTY: I won’t, yeah, I, I’ll… okay.
RANIERE: Yeah. Sorry about that, but…
CHAKRAVORTY: Yeah. No, no, it’s necessary, and I, I appreciate it. Uh…
RANIERE: Anything else from judges? [for the contest Raniere planned to judge the winners of applicants who submit written essays challenging the legality and the flaws of the prosecution’s case against him. He planned to award cash prizes of $35,000 to each winner, who came up with strong legal arguments and he needed several lawyers to act as judges to judge the winners before announcing the contest.]
CHAKRAVORTY: Judges, we’re speaking to to, uh, Ashley McMahan, she is a part of The Law Ladies today. [They were attempting to get Ashley involved possibly as a judge of the contest.]
CHAKRAVORTY: I, I think it’s the first call with her beyond, uh, Marc’s like introductory [U/I] call. [It sounds like they have Marc Agnifilo involved in this absurd plan. The question is: how much did they tell him about the overall plan to accuse the prosecutors and the judge of acting unethically during his trial?].
CHAKRAVORTY: So we’ll see how… where we’re at with that, um, in a couple of hours.
RANIERE: Uh-huh. I, I also read from Marc that the, uh, judge [Nicholas Garaufis] responded to the Motion 33, as, as we expected, saying that “Well, I guess the witnesses [Nicole and Daniela] lied, [about not planning to join a civil lawsuit against Raniere after the criminal trial] the government, the government didn’t know about it, [the witnesses lying] and the evidence was so overwhelming.”[that even if they did lie, and admitted they were going to sue Raniere, it would not have made a difference in the outcome anyway.]
[Raniere made a motion that he deserved a new trial because he alleged that at his trial, Nicole, the DOS slave who was blindfolded and tied to a bench while Raniere had another woman perform oral sex on her – and Daniela, the Mexican woman he ordered confined to a room for two years because she kissed another man – lied about not being participants in a civil lawsuit that was organized and directed by Neil Glazer. Raniere argued that they planned to join the civil suit after his trial and, hence, when they testified that they had no plans to join the Glazer lawsuit, they perjured themselves.]
CHAKRAVORTY: Wow. Wow. [Shocked that the judge denied the motion.]
RANIERE: Yeah, what do you expect? This judge wants me away forever. Either he’s been… he just wants it from his opinion or has been told that [ordered to convict Raniere by someone from above] you know, I, I lean towards he’s being corrupt, but I don’t know.
[Smart move on Raniere’s part, saying the judge who is going to sentence him is corrupt. He should have known that his calls might be monitored. The prison advises of you that as a disclosure.]
CHAKRAVORTY: It looks that way. [the judge is corrupt.]
RANIERE: Yeah, I mean, it’s, it’s absurd, the major witnesses all lied. [Laughs] And they, they don’t prove any of the points of the basic charges. Most, uh, uh, you know, not most of them. [Laughs] And yet, you know.
RANIERE: It’s, uh… How is Marc’s attitude? Do you think, do you think he’s riled up to…? [to fight to win on appeal]
CHAKRAVORTY: I don’t think so. That’s not my impression. My impression is, uh, more, more of the same, like intellectually upset, but, you know, more committed to working within the system and accepting this is how it is and…
CHAKRAVORTY: [U/I]. That’s my feeling, I don’t… it’s not based on a lot of data. It’s just our interactions, and how, how he speaks, how we speak, um, he doesn’t seem amped up to really push. But I mean, I could be wrong.
[Suneel and Nicki Clyne are Raniere’s point people with his attorneys since Raniere has very restricted contact with the attorneys.]
RANIERE: Well, maybe he needs to hear that every once in a while, so you know, [you could say] “you sound just so mild-mannered and uh, you know, that seems, you seem intellectually upset, but really not emotionally behind this. Like a beaten puppy.”
CHAKRAVORTY: You know, it, it, it seems like that, and uh, I think Nicki [Clyne] spoke with him last weekend and conveyed that, and I think he got upset, so I’ve, I’ve been trying to like not… [upset him]
CHAKRAVORTY: …push too many buttons, but…
CHAKRAVORTY: …uh, maybe [U/I].
RANIERE: Maybe she [Nicki] is the one that has to deliver that. You you are the good cop. She’s the bad cop, I don’t know.
CHAKRAVORTY: [Laughs] I, I don’t, I don’t even think I’m seen as the good cop, I’m just the okay cop, but…
CHAKRAVORTY: …but uh, I hope we’ll balance it between us and keep on pushing as much as we can.
CHAKRAVORTY: Um, as, as far as the other stuff, um, the podcast, we’re moving forward with. It’s taking a little longer than I thought, but I think we’ll end up with something good within a few days with the teaser, and then hopefully over the weekend, for the first, first episode…
[The Nxivm-5 planned to make a podcast with David Flom and perhaps others to show how Raniere is an innocent man who has been railroaded by a corrupt prosecution and judge. It is still in the works.]
CHAKRAVORTY: …and I guess iHeart [the platform for the podcast] to get, get like, uh, first [U/I] to help us with monetization. He has ideas, he’s working over some of the correspondence, which you’ve done so far.
CHAKRAVORTY: I think, I think there is more, um, stuff missing there.
RANIERE: Uh, [David] Fritz [a contact who they were hoping would help them arrange to get Flom’s help] has actually been spoken with?
CHAKRAVORTY: He’s been spoken with, texted with, [U/I] emails yesterday. [U/I], now it’s like, uh, the danger zone of the follow-up, so I will, will keep on him for that.
RANIERE: The danger zone of what?
CHAKRAVORTY: Of the follow-up. [U/I].
RANIERE: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. [Laughs] Yeah, by the way, be sure to send everyone [his followers] my regards because I, I have such limited communication.
CHAKRAVORTY: Yeah, I, I do and I, I will. I will.
RANIERE: Yeah, I was, I was contemplating doing for a podcast, something on the Cami [the DOS slave who Raniere took nude photos of when she was 15 which were found on a hard drive and formed the basis of additional racketeering acts] thing, but I have to tread because of appeal, because of love [for Cami], because of prejudice [of having sex with underage girls?] and because of her family [which has been divided because of Raniere, with half the family still supporting him and the other family against him causing a rift in the family. Raniere has a child with Cami’s sister Marianna and Cami’s other sister, Daniela is the woman who was confined in the room.] So…
RANIERE: I don’t know, at, at, at some point I think I will. I might, you know.
RANIERE: But, you know, the, the thing is, and one of the things I mentioned is anything I say about my innocence won’t be believed.
RANIERE: So I may as well not try to protest, because then it sounds like, “Oh, he’s protesting too much,” or you know, then they’ll try to criticize it, they are going to criticize what I say anyway, but at least try to separate the prejudice away from the, the law, you know.
CHAKRAVORTY: Yeah, I know, that, that’s the key point that people don’t get. Even like lawyers don’t get. [Voices overlap]
RANIERE: Yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s amazing and like for example, this judge saying the evidence is overwhelming. I mean, first of all, I know the truth, so I know the evidence isn’t overwhelming because it’s untrue. But second of all I, I know what I’ve seen of the law and we… even with my… if you will, esteemed [legal] team has said and the evidence isn’t overwhelming at all. It, it’s just not. It’s massively prejudicial.
CHAKRAVORTY: It’s non, it’s non-existent.
CHAKRAVORTY: Yeah. It’s non-existent.
RANIERE: So, yeah, it’s, it’s crazy. Yeah, I feel like…
RANIERE: …I’m definitely in an upside-down world.
CHAKRAVORTY: You are in a, a, a Kafka “The Trial” or something. [Laughs]
RANIERE: Yeah, could you find out from Marc when he’s anticipating filing this next motion too, this broader one?
CHAKRAVORTY: Yes, I will. I, I’ll talk to him today on that.
RANIERE: And also the jurisdic… the two other motions I would… you know, the narrow jurisdictional motion. Um, and the wisdom of filing that, which I believe there’s not much downside. And then the broader issue of, um, does this new motion he’s going to file, open the door for the new evidence motion?
CHAKRAVORTY: Okay, I’ll, I’ll ask him those questions today.
RANIERE: Yeah, all three of those things.
CHAKRAVORTY: Oh, uh, okay, yes, yes there were three. [Chuckles]
RANIERE: Yeah, so, I, um, yeah, I don’t know what to say, you know, it just feels like no matter what we say, ha, he, he will defend… I mean that the prosecution didn’t know about [Daniela and Nicole’s plan to join the Glazer lawsuit] it is an absurdity.
CHAKRAVORTY: Yeah, I think that’s why the affidavit [the affidavit was just recently released requiring the prosecution to swear they did not commit prosecutorial misconduct] is really important for this. I wanted to ask you like on a timing stuff, like what should we be thinking timing-wise because some of these things are uncertain.
RANIERE: Well, first of all, we get this all done, we get this ready to go. Okay, so it’s ready to go out the door, including the podcast, including the affidavit, including the challenge, [the contest to find flaws/unethical actions in the prosecution’s case/judge’s rulings that could lead to overturning the conviction] you know…
RANIERE: …and then we decide to strategically release them depending on how the media and all is. We do also want to get some media signatures on the petition. [They were unable so far to get media but they did get some well-known figures to sign the petition such as Amanda Knox and Abby Rockefeller. It is interesting to note that this conversation took place in April and the affidavit did not get released until late September.]
RANIERE: Because first, first we get the affidavit, [U/I] the petition and then we go… [Voices overlap]
RANIERE: …with the follow up.
RANIERE: So, Okay, uh, I’m… trying to think if there is anything else right now. What else do you know?
CHAKRAVORTY: Uh, I think that, that was it from, that was it from, from my end. Uh, I guess there was one, one thought just, uh, on how we can communicate better, like that the challenge is just [U/I] the prosecution case [U/I].
RANIERE: The challenge is what? I can’t hear you, I think you’re walking.
CHAKRAVORTY: Oh, no, I, I, I, uh…
RANIERE: You’re what?
CHAKRAVORTY: …I [U/I] a little bit. Oh, no, I was just saying that with, with judges, one, one thing that they, uh, uh, seem not to get is that this is just checking the prosecutor’s homework, like they can’t wrap their mind around it yet, so I don’t know if you have [U/I] metaphor or any way that we can [U/I] better, [U/I] think about it. Uh, we [U/I] definitely, that’s, that’s the [U/I] for them to grasp.
RANIERE: Okay. I’m having a lot of trouble hearing you because there seems to be a, a lot of interference and it almost sounds like you’re either walking or there is wind or something, I don’t know.
CHAKRAVORTY: There was a little wind because I just got out of the car, but now, is it better?
RANIERE: Oh, yeah, much.
CHAKRAVORTY: Okay, sorry.
RANIERE: It’s like everything is clear. So what’s the thing they, they can’t get? That they’re checking the prosecutor’s homework, so to speak?
CHAKRAVORTY: Yeah, they think, is that like, like that concept is, is a very narrow challenge, but they think they have this big really hard thing that’s going to take a lot of time, and that thing is just checking the argument itself, [U/I]
RANIERE: Or maybe…
CHAKRAVORTY: …it’s been done and…
RANIERE: …well maybe asking them that. So, you know, here is the, here is the problem that you, you may be able to help with. Some people are potential judges, even lawyers of esteem, you know, see, this is a massive problem when it’s actually checking the prosecution’s homework. I like that phrase very much… you know?
RANIERE: And really, it’s much more narrow than that because this is so absurd. You know this is, this is like checking a, you know, a murder case that doesn’t have a body, doesn’t have a weapon, you know, and they established the motive that’s shown to be false.
CHAKRAVORTY: Got it, okay… Okay, we, we will, uh, try that today.
RANIERE: And there, there is certain things… What?
CHAKRAVORTY: I said, we’ll, we’ll try that today with, with Ashley [McMahan], potentially. [using the expression ‘checking the prosecutors’ homework. She would serve as a judge as to who wins the contest, which provides for several $35,000 prizes for various aspects of the case.]
RANIERE: Yeah, yeah, good, because, uh, yeah, I’d like to get some of these people [judges] ready and, and they should know that they’ll have help too. S, in other words, if there is the… the more mundane eliminations that can be done, [entries in the contest that are clearly not helpful and not eligible for a prize could be eliminated by Raniere’s people and then only serious entries could be submitted to the lawyers acting as judges] which… of people that actually, uh, feel they’ve solved it, which it’s hard to imagine they would. Um, if, you know, they’re going to have very few that, uh, actually come up to them. [submitted to the judges for the contest, meaning most entries will be eliminated and only those with potentially strong legal arguments will go to the judges of the contest.]
RANIERE: [Giving examples of entries of the contest who make arguments that would not even make it to the judges] You know, some… you’ll even have some people say, “Well, it’s interesting because she’s, uh, she traveled from Brooklyn to Albany.” Well, that’s not true. I mean, it’s, it’s… that’s true, but that doesn’t make it interstate.
CHAKRAVORTY: Right, yeah. [Chuckles] We’re on the same page.
RANIERE: You know, or, uh, it’s interstate because when she was young, she lived in Arizona. That doesn’t make it interstate either, you know.
RANIERE: So, yeah, it is, it is disturbing about the Motion 33, even though it’s exactly what we expected… to see, to see such a big splat-out is crazy.
CHAKRAVORTY: Exactly. I didn’t know that, that things were like this in actuality, you know, because it’s like a movie, but it’s, way worse because it was real.
RANIERE: Yeah, and I’m, and I’m looking, you know, I’ll be in here for the rest of my life if we don’t do something. Or… and the rest of my life might not be that long considering the way things are in here, you know. Once I get to a, a destination point because I’ll go to a pen. [A federal penitentiary will be much more dangerous for Keith because he’ll be accessible by other prisoners – some of whom may try to kill him. But based on more recent actions of his followers and his own actions, Raniere might be sentenced to a supermax and be in solitary confinement where he will not be in danger of being killed by other prisoners.]
RANIERE: So we gotta get… we, what we have to do also is get scrutiny on this judge, get some pundit who is willing to speak out about what this judge is saying, which is crazy, and the judge needs to know he’s being watched…[Another great idea on Keith’s part: let the judge who is going to sentence you know that he’s being monitored].
RANIERE: …by someone who is wise.
RANIERE: So. Now we gotta figure out the next step with [Alan] Dershowitz. [Apparently, they had planned to get the famous lawyer to help in this case or the media effort. Maybe he is the pundit they plan to use to let the judge know is watching him.]
CHAKRAVORTY: Yes, okay.
RANIERE: All right, but we have left, we have five seconds, so, I guess I will, uh, speak to you Friday.
RANIERE: Okay, bye.