In this selection in our series on the testimony of Mark Vicente, we go further in his disillusionment with Nxivm and, ultimately, with Keith Alan Raniere.
He is being examined by AUSA Mark Lesko.
He begins discussing the very curious circumstances of the death of Pam Cafritz, who died in November but whose death was not announced until much later. By that time, her body was removed and was purportedly put in a cryogenic tomb.
Q Did something happen in the NXIVM community in November of 2016?
A November 2016 was I believe the death of Pam Cafritz.
Q Was the NXIVM community immediately made aware of Pam’s death?
A No, they weren’t. And it was — I remember I had a conversation with a few people. I wasn’t clear why we were keeping her death from the entire community. It took quite some time before people were informed, and I remember I said to Clare Bronfman, it would be really good to let people know given that people would want to fly in from all over the world to attend, you know, some kind of service or a gathering. And she said, Well, you know, he’ll tell us when he’s ready. I was like, Okay, but — and she was very stern with me, in other words, stop. And it was just a mystery to me why –why — why keep this thing a secret when — when everybody in the upper ranks knows — it was a whole sequence of things that happened around her — her death, why keep it a secret? And eventually, it was announced, and then people were scrambling to get there. In fact, people were told you have to call people to come. And I was like, This was with the exact thing I was trying to avoid, this cluster.
Q Come where?
A To Albany to —
Q For what?
A So — for — there was a — there was a two-day event. And it was held in Saratoga Springs, and I think it was the Hall of Springs and it was sort of a commemoration, a celebration of — of her life over two evenings.
Q At around this time in January of 2017, did something happen that involved your wife?
A January 2017 is when my wife officially resigned from the organization.
Q Did you have an understanding as to why she left?
A My understanding was she had had a discussion with Raniere, and she basically expressed to him that she realized that the entire organization was built on coercion, fear, obligation, rules —
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Q Did you learn that your wife had had an altercation with any of the high ranging leaders of the NXIVM?
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A Sometime before there has been an unpleasant situation with Nancy Salzman and her. Basically, my wife had expressed her concerns about what was happening in The Source Company, and Nancy Salzman had offered to work with her and EM her, so she did. And she said to my wife, You know, well come back tomorrow and we’ll continue. And then my wife came back, and for some strange reason, Nancy — Nancy’s demeanor went from helpful to quite, quite upset and angry and she basically blamed my wife for trying to take control of the company, being power hungry, and a bunch of things that my wife was not. And my wife was — was deeply troubled and didn’t say anything for a number of days. And she was in essence struggling enormously … And I said to her, Did Nancy punish you, and she finally said yes. But she was concerned because she felt like you couldn’t say, I’d been punished, because that — you know, that means you’re not giving tribute to the leader, and now you’ll get blamed because, you know, if you say, You’re being punished, then you know maybe you’re the punisher. There’s a whole series of mental traps.
A I did not.
Q Why not?
A I was still loyal to Raniere. I — I had this thing of like, Well, I’m committed to something. You know, stick it out. And I was speaking to Raniere about a lot of the issues that I was seeing in the company, but I believed at that point that he was the shining light and the problems were all because of other people. Because he would tell me as much. He would tell me, The problem is this. The problem is the woman. The women are this, the women are that. They’re socialists. That’s the problem. So, in essence, in my mind, I held him as blameless for anything that was going on, and my sense of loyalty was still very, very strong.
Bonnie Piesse left Nxivm. She quit. But Mark stayed on because he believed in Raniere, because he was loyal to him. It took him some time to finally leave. But the seeds of doubt were already there.
It was obvious that Mark saw flaws in the company – the cult as we view it now – and tried to address these things with Raniere, with Nancy Salzman and others. But through it all, he believed, as he said, that Raniere was a shining light.
He saw with eyes blinded with an illusion that Raniere was something more than he was. This is the great secret of cults in general. The charismatic leader, in this case, Raniere, appears to the followers as noble when he is, in fact, evil; he appears loving when he hates them; and he appears like he is reflecting light when he is actually casting them into darkness.
Raniere was an evil artist who knew how to play his victims brilliantly. They all thought he meant for them the highest good; none of them achieved anything but sorrow and yet he was able to spin it all on them: That they were at fault; that they had failed.
Bonnie saw through this nonsense before Mark did and now they had a divided household. The wife seeing Raniere and his organization as coercive and fear-based – and Mark still seeing or thinking that Raniere was good but his followers were simply failing.
He was to have yet another awakening when he learned about women being branded. This will be reviewed in our next post – and it was the final straw that got Vicente out of Nxivm.
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Frank — It seems like you should really give Bonnie Piesse more credit. Edmondson credits Piesse with being the “original fire starter,” and without Bonnie calling Catherine and sharing everything she knew with CO, even after they hadn’t spoken in 4 years, CO would have remained clueless about India’s situation and all things DOS.
Despite being married to Raniere’s #1 guy, despite being a devoted cult member for several years, despite living in Albany, somehow Piesse, who is younger than Mack and the same age as Clyne, had enough sense to break away from the cult on her own. Unlike Mack and Clyne apparently, when Raniere tested Piesse for “suggestibility” and “subservience,” she wasn’t willing to run herself into a tree for him. Were Mack, Clyne and the other first line DOS slaves easy to manipulate because they actually wanted to be with Raniere — be his leading lady — and so were willing to do anything to show their loyalty?
Even before Mack, Clyne and the other inner circle became starved and collateralized slaves, they must have been doing things and demonstrating to Raniere their blind loyalty, unlike Piesse and even Edmondson. We know Allison was willing to defend NXIVM and give glorious tribute to Raniere publicly, and less than two years after joining was willing to turn over her money to them, while Clyne quickly moved to Albany to be with Raniere.
On the other hand, Piesse is married to a guy who knowingly tampered with evidence for Raniere, helped Clare circumvent campaign finance laws, helped the cult evade taxes and launder money, turned his own mother into a criminal and yet she still managed to break away from the destructive cult even while her still blinded husband begged her not to.
According to Catherine, Bonnie said even prior to DOS, she had seen some “very very bad results from Alli’s mentoring.” I wonder what results Bonnie was referring to and who had previously suffered from Allison’s mentoring. Supposedly, Allison targeted India for Raniere. This is why it would be interesting to hear what India has to say. Hopefully, her memoir will give insight into how Allison operated and what was going on with her.
Still trying to fuck with relationships. Can’t seem to get that shitty behavior out of your system, huh?
“Bonnie Piesse left Nxivm. She quit. But Mark stayed on because he believed in Raniere because he was loyal to him. It took him some time to finally leave. But the seeds of doubt were already there.”
And this without coercion, or starvation or sleep deprivation or drugging…and you find an excuse for him…
But at the same time, you blamed (for a long time) Allison who was under quite different circumstances.
“It was obvious that Mark saw flaws in the company – the cult as we view it now – and tried to address these things with Raniere, with Nancy Salzman and others. But through it all, he believed, as he said, that Raniere was a shining light.”
And once again, he is thinking that way without the coercion, sleep deprivation or starvation (or drugging)…
I would consider him to have way less excuse than anyone (especially after his wife quits) but whatev’.
“He saw with eyes blinded with an illusion that Raniere was something more than he was. This is the great secret of cults in general.”
Yet, the fact it’s a cult is frequently excluded for other members…
“Bonnie saw through this nonsense before Mark did and now they had a divided household.”
No, He pointed that she wanted a certain project’s responsibility…the same she decided to blame afterward.
She got as far as blaming Allison for things she had no power and chose to ignore the whole circumstances (while presenting the same circumstance to defend the other victims)…
She left because she didn’t get the position she wanted and said it was fishy.
Why don’t you losers with nothing better to do than try to bring down a beautiful, kind hearted woman in Kristin Kreuk go get a life and stop trying to make her look bad when she has done nothing wrong
Nothing wrong? There is a whole ton of info on the Frank Report of what she has done wrong. What makes her “kind hearted”? She virtue signals about dindu criminals on social media, but can’t make the same effort to help expose the cult she helped build up. Not even a single instagram or twitter post. She is a coward and hypocrite who is only interested in preserving her privilege, while happy to finger point like a saint. And before the halal creature inevitably responds, piss off.
“There is a whole ton of info on the Frank Report of what she has done wrong.”
What info is true, not rumor or troll bs. Please tell us what you believe and why. You seem like a gullible clown so I guess you believe the Frank Report saying she is really a boy.
Go use the search function you infatuated clown. Stop thinking with your little penis.
“Stop thinking with your little penis”
Stop thinking about penises. You can’t seem to write a comment without revealing your infatuation with someone’s penis. I’m sure there are gay sites that would love to hear from you.
Still all alone masturbating yourself into a frenzy, Hasif?
Still getting off while dreaming about penises and other men masturbating?
Stop thinking about penises.
Spanky’s “penis” looks like a burnt grape.
I’d like to see Frank pick another fight with horny Casper Van Dien.
Frank allegedly phoned Casper and had a lively conversation where Frank even felt a bit scared afterwards.
Frank needs to report on Casper again.
Casper is an asshole and Frank shouldn’t be scared of that dude. 🙂
Have a nice day. 🙂
Bangkok, you are one funny guy/gal?
Interesting…guy/girl……
Bangkok is the first guy I have ever come across to insult a woman (Heidi) with “you probably haven’t had a pedicure since 1988”.
Either way, Bangkok is one witty tike.
Bangcock is lame. She tries to find positions that are defendable and that can cause the biggest reaction. It’s infantile and lends credence to your idea of her being a teen or young adult. A very lonely young adult who seeks attention from FR readers because she can’t get asked out on a date. When she gets denied attention (like her below post did), she comes back with a different baiting post that is really just another sad attempt at relevance.
Other than Johnson, what guy on this site would talk pedicures?
Good point, Nutjob.
Little Bangkok has grown on me. He or she is talented at twisting people’s words and getting them pissed off. Bangkok has pulled Claviger’s and O’Hara’s chains more times than I can count.
I take everything Bangkok says with a grain of salt… And sometimes it’s funny. He/she does an excellent job of busting Scott’s balls.
Hmmm. I missed that one but did note long ago Bangcuck does appear to have a foot fetish. Btw, I have exceptionally attractive, very fragrant footsies.
I disagree on the age matter. Cuck’s in his mid-60’s – line up the social references, vocabulary, syntax = senile old pervert.
“He saw with eyes blinded with an illusion that Trump was something more than he was. This is the great secret of cults in general. The charismatic leader, in this case, Trump, appears to the followers as noble when he is, in fact, evil; he appears loving when he hates them; and he appears like he is reflecting light when he is actually casting them into darkness.”
“it was the final straw that got Vicente out of Nxivm”
Oh, the irony of this site filled with so many blind followers of Trump blaming, demonizing the blind followers of the evil Raniere, who refused to believe news reports about his crimes, believed his ridiculous lies, turned on anyone who dared to leave or criticize their great leader while they themselves behave in exactly the same way when it comes to Trump.
What will be the final straw that will get them out of Trump’s cult? Have you opened your eyes yet Frank? Are you afraid of the few loyal readers you have left turning on you if you dare to criticize Trump? Might be an interesting experiment.
“this site filled with so many blind followers of Trump ”
Back in 1965 when there was rioting in Watts, the military was sent in with orders to SHOOT TO KILL.
Death(s) 34
Injuries 1,032
Arrested 3,438
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_riots
King assassination riots
Parties to the civil conflict
Rioters
U.S. Army
U.S. Marine Corps
U.S. National Guard
Local U.S. police departments
Casualties
Death(s) 40+
Injuries 2,500+
Arrested 15,000+
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_assassination_riots
AFTER THE FIRST NIGHT OF RIOTS IN MINNEAPOLIS, TRUMP SHOULD HAVE
INVOKED THE INSURRECTION ACT WITH ORDERS TO SHOOT TO KILL!
Wiki forgot to tell you that the Watts and King riots were riots—not legal peaceful protests with some others doing looting and setting fires.
And Trump didn’t use “dominating force” to stop looting or rioting, he used force to push legal protesters off the street before curfew so he could have a lame photo opp to make himself look tough.
So much for the right to assembly, Mr. Shadow. LOL
Mr. Shadow hates the 3rd Amendment. He dreams of having lots of young stay in his home. LOL
Shadow, more people in the United States die from car accidents every year …..30,000 plus!
And you don’t blink an eye.
Keep expounding…..
…… Shadowstate(Senator McCarthy)
You prove the Left’s talking points. Congratulations!!!! Sometimes I think you are a double agent or agent provocateur. You are like the Right’s version of Bernie Sanders.
Will you ever stop plagiarizing Wikipedia?
I believe you owe them royalties!
What are your thoughts about this? This guy is close to your age. This could have been you
Frank is old enough and has enough common sense to not be on the street after curfew, let alone challenge the officers. LOL
What are your thoughts about this, Frank?
https://buffalonews.com/2020/06/04/for-niagara-county-officials-kneeling-with-protesters-was-the-right-thing-for-us-to-do/
Kneeling is a sign of subservience, no person of authority should ever do that to a mob. LOL
They should have brought a folding table and some chairs and invited the protesters to sit down with them. LOL
A “person of authority” kneeling on someone’s neck is a sign of what? notLOL
My answer to 12:30 am
A sign of dominance and control over the situation.
It’s a sign of someone misusing their authority. LOL
As long as the abuse is not proven, it is not abuse. And kneeling on the head or upper body is a standard procedure that has been allowed until now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcIeNUsyn3o&feature=youtu.be
So peaceful protest is an option?
Bonnie Piesse tells Perfect hell no.
Did Bonnie know her problems were so big that KAR was really the only person ever in the world who could help her? And he was alive and willing to meet her in the cabin. I wonder if maybe this was just a squabble about depth of tribute for an EM session with Perfect and KAR. The rule was once you had KAR you could not go back. But if a fire broke out down below, Perfect could fill till the smartest man ever in the world got up.
Still wondering who was the girl/woman in the cabin.
Good tease, Frank. SOP – what did they provide besides wives?
girlfriends. and their balls.
Frank is a clueless moron.
The reason Vicente remained loyal to Keith (after his wife left) WASN’T BECAUSE he still viewed Keith as a blameless, shining light of truth, LOL.
Nope.
Vicente remained loyal to Keith (after his wife left) for the SAME REASON that every lieutenant remains loyal to their sinking leader to the very end —– because Vicente had spent years gaining status within NXIVM and was Keith’s HEIR APPARENT (Prefect or Legatus would have NEVER replaced Keith as leader of NXIVM, since only a man could fill that role).
Keith himself told Vicente that one day he would likely succeed him as the leader of NXIVM.
Vicente wasn’t willing to throw away that kind of POWER and STATUS just because his wife had learned the truth.
Vicente wanted to lead NXIVM one day. He wanted his day in the sun.
He was playing the LONG GAME.
He was just biding his time until one day, hopefully, he’d be taking over the reins of power within NXIVM.
It was that thought of POWER and STATUS that kept Vicente from quitting NXIVM when his wife did.
Vicente KNEW that his wife was speaking the truth (about Nancy and Keith being evil and unfair to her).
Vicente basically placed his lust for power ahead of his wife’s honor.
Sure, Vicente eventually left NXIVM before the indictments came —- but he only left NXIVM when he finally realized that the ship was nearly underwater and only a few lifeboats remained.
He left NXIVM when he saw the writing on the wall.
He left NXIVM when it becamse obvious to him that the sex slavery aspect (DOS) was gonna be discovered eventually.
Frank is too stupid to see the simple truth. He sees Vicente as a hero and a friend of his.
Have a nice day. 🙂
C‘mon Kristin Kreuk, if only you put this much effort into drawing attention to your ties to the NXIVM cult.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBDYI-kDknk/
If only Anonymous put this much effort into social issues that mattered.
There you go again you worthless little prick. You cannot argue or debunk any criticism of this NXIVM cultist, so just attack and project. If only Kristin Kreuk put this much effort into exposing NXIVM. Deal with it you smug dickhead. You can’t say anything to change the point. Stop butting in. Stop responding. Go jump off Trump Tower you insufferable fucking cunt.
NXIVM is a social issue that matters.
“NXIVM is a social issue that…” has been settled in the courts, ignored in the media, and is now a secondary topic even here on the FR.
Who really cares, besides you, what KK would say about Nx now?
What would you want her to say?
What could she say that would satisfy you? Tell us.
What fucking difference would whatever she says now make?
Why do YOU care so much?
The brown beetle, Spanky, is too blind by masturbatory lust to get the point.
This article sums it up, especially near the end:
https://frankreport.com/2019/08/12/what-kristin-kreuk-could-have-done-to-try-to-reverse-the-damage-she-did-while-in-nxivm/
Kreuk feels and felt no need or moral responsibility to do anything about NXIVM, but happy to talk about blacks and how evil she thinks while people are, on social media. The dumb cunt even posted a link for morons to pay the bail of criminals destroying people’s property, businesses, livelihoods, and beating people up. Hopefully, her dad gets beaten unconscious and his business destroyed by blacks and left-wing terrorists and Kreuk can attack the police and demand morons pay for the criminal’s bail.
You tell them, spanky !
The point you missed was “now.” What could she say “now” that does “anything about Nxivm?”
If you can give a logical answer to any of the five questions you missed then I’ll shut up. If you can’t or don’t, then you shut up.
not sultan
“Who really cares, besides you, what KK would say about Nx now”.
Perhaps you can conduct a survey.
“What would you want her to say”?
The truth.
“What could she say that would satisfy you? Tell us.”?
The truth. And don’t say “us” like you are a majority.
“What fucking difference would whatever she says now make”.
It’s the right thing to do, Hasif.
“Why do YOU care so much?”
Why do YOU care so much when Kristin Gook and only Kristin Gook, is criticised?
There you go, Hasif. Five answers. Now shut the fuck up, you little worm.
–If you can give a logical answer to any of the five questions you missed then I’ll shut up. If you can’t or don’t, then you shut up.
You live under the mistaken presupposition that it would ever seriously consider any of the questions you pose, or that it would ever shut up. It’s obvious to anyone who has even an inkling into the understanding of human nature and still has a functioning intellect, that it really doesn’t care about the evil actions perpetrated by particular actors in this NXIVM story. What it cares about is Kristin’s past association to NXIVM and how it can be used to forever demonize her for the *real* underlying motivation that it hides. It will use anything that can be perceived as negative by others, no matter how tenuous, unsubstantiated, or based in rumor or speculation to continue calling her out, even though no evidence has ever been provided or presented that she did anything illegal or wrong, had any awareness of anything illegal or any wrongdoing, had any intent do anything illegal or wrong, etc. It can forever hold the “NXIVM card” over her head and effectively say “look how much of a bitch, coward, and liar Kristin Kreuk is because she was once part of NXIVM!”. It’s analogous to what people with grudges do against those who they have no intention of ever forgiving or changing their opinion on. It’s a useless endeavor and only a spiritual fire could ever burn it out of them.
Spanky/Hasif, you find it perfectly acceptable for Kristin Crooked to pretend the branding story was not happening, but talk about causes that have nothing to do with her at the same time. Kristin Gook did not and does not want people talking about her NXIVM role, but she wants to point the finger at others. That is insulting. She was named in the pedophile expose, named in a criminal lawsuit, named in the Necker Island criminal expose, lied about leaving, etc. As long as she virtue signals about SJW BS, while staying silent about her own BS, she will always be called out. And there is nothing you can do about it but cry. Your desire to have coitus with Gook does not change anything. You got nothing so shut your annoying mouth.
What Nxivm member ever spoke out? Other than those on trial, or subpoenaed to testify, or making money writing a book? Anyone?
–Spanky/Hasif, you find it perfectly acceptable for Kristin Crooked to pretend the branding story was not happening,
You find it perfectly acceptable to be a massive dick-wad who manifests all the symptoms of a jilted individual. Kristin had nothing to do with DOS and already made her feelings known about it and her past association to NXIVM. She shouldn’t feel the slightest bit of guilt for anything related to it, and therefore feel no moral urge to perform any rectification for it.
–but talk about causes that have nothing to do with her at the same time.
That’s ironically “hilarious” coming from you.
–Kristin Gook did not and does not want people talking about her NXIVM role,
No. *She* doesn’t want to talk about it anymore. While she also may not want others talking about it, she has no control over others doing so.
— but she wants to point the finger at others.
More irony!
–That is insulting. She was named in the pedophile expose, named in a criminal lawsuit, named in the Necker Island criminal expose, lied about leaving, etc.
All of those claims have been answered not once, but multiple times, in the comment section of this blog and elsewhere over a period of two or more years. Just because you use the Goebbels technique of repetition of the lie will not make any of your insinuations concerning her association with NXIVM any more true.
–As long as she virtue signals about SJW BS, while staying silent about her own BS,
False equivalence and loaded language.
–she will always be called out.
Nothing lasts forever in this world.
–And there is nothing you can do about it but cry.
This coming from the biggest crier in the comment section here! More irony.
–Your desire to have coitus with Gook does not change anything. You got nothing so shut your annoying mouth.
You constantly tell others what to do, but you can’t handle the same.
Do you really think anyone considers you seriously while referring to Kristin Kreuk as Kristin “Crooked” (I believe a slur that the Amway crier came up with) and Kristin “Gook”, a racially derogatory term towards East Asians? Well, besides your fellow white racists?
You have the mentality of a spoiled child who can’t control his temper tantrums. The difference being, children are innocent.
“Kristin had nothing to do with DOS and already made her feelings known about it and her past association to NXIVM.”
Yes, she did. She helped grow the cult. She recruited the second-in-command and others were convinced to join due to her name being dropped. She didn’t personally sue Susan Dones. She didn’t personally put kiddy porn on John Tigue’s computer. She was still part of the cult that did. And she stayed completely silent refusing to say a word. Only when the press spoke of her did she release a false statement a year later to throw them off. Lies. Holding back info. Bullshit. And you know it.
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“She shouldn’t feel the slightest bit of guilt for anything related to it, and therefore feel no moral urge to perform any rectification for it.”
Says the utterly worthless brown skin stalker, who has been at it for approaching two decades. Yes, she should. She helped grow this cult. Legitimized this cult. Spent money on this cult. Convinced others to spend money on this cult. Coached for this cult. Recruited Ally Wack. Others joined because of her. She ignored so much and didn’t care. You just want to fuck her.
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“No. *She* doesn’t want to talk about it anymore.”
She has never spoken of it. She made a false statement a year after because of the press.
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“While she also may not want others talking about it, she has no control over others doing so.”
No. She does not want anyone exposing her NXIVM role.
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“— but she wants to point the finger at others.
More irony!”
Projection because you can’t deny it.
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“All of those claims have been answered not once, but multiple times, in the comment section of this blog and elsewhere over a period of two or more years.”
No. YOU have saturated this blog with your bullshit. Kristin Gook has never answered anything about it. The press doesn’t even know about it. The only other place this was discussed was the Saratoga in Decline blog. You are not Gook’s spokesperson.
“Just because you use the Goebbels technique of repetition of the lie will not make any of your insinuations concerning her association with NXIVM any more true.”
It’s all true. It is written down for all to see. Dates. Photographs.
“–As long as she virtue signals about SJW BS, while staying silent about her own BS,
False equivalence and loaded language.”
No. Very true. Silent about her own shit, virtue signalling about other shit that revolves around attacking others. Disgusting. If Kristin Gook wants to attack others, there is a whole ton to throw back at her.
You are the kind of mindless bigot that gives White Supremacy a bad name.
–Yes, she did. She helped grow the cult.
More loaded language. She didn’t help “grow” the cult at all. She referred some of her friends and co-workers to take a course. Some said yes, and some said no. That is not “growing” the cult no matter how often you might try to present it to be. The only person she recruited who remained in NXIVM after Kristin left was Allison, and Allison chose her inner circle “cult buddies” and a statutory rapist con-man over her friendship with Kristin after Kristin left NXIVM. That’s no one but Allison’s fault.
–She recruited the second-in-command and others
The second in command in NXIVM was Nancy Salzman. The second in command of DOS was Allison and she made her own bed–literally.
–were convinced to join due to her name being dropped.
Why would anyone want to join a cult because of a “smell-the-fart”, cowardly, virtue-signaling, C-list, irrelevant actress?
–She didn’t personally sue Susan Dones. She didn’t personally put kiddy porn on John Tigue’s computer. She was still part of the cult that did.
Guilt by association. Another logical fallacy that has been repeated ad nauseam by you.
–And she stayed completely silent refusing to say a word.
More loaded language. You simply continue to presume that she knew of something that should have created a moral imperative within her to say something about which she ignored, and refuse to believe her statement in which she had explicitly stated that she knew of nothing nefarious or illegal.
–Only when the press spoke of her did she release a false statement a year later to throw them off. Lies. Holding back info. Bullshit. And you know it.
There was nothing false about her statement. She wasn’t part of the inner circle. She never recruited anyone to join a sex cult. She gave an easily calculable amount of time for how long she was part of NXIVM by stating the age at which she started taking courses, and how many years in the past it was when she left NXIVM from the point in time when she made her statement. The only thing she didn’t admit to was being a coach. But that just means she took enough courses to be able to help out at intensives.
It’s only *you* who wants to project a false image that she knew all of these evil and twisted things and still remained on board. Unfortunately for you, people who are smarter than dumb know that requires evidence, and you have provided zero, nada, zilch, zippo, etc., of it.
–Says the utterly worthless brown skin stalker,
Subjectively worthless in your mind and maybe others who are irrelevant, which means nothing to me.
–who has been at it for approaching two decades.
Says the anonymous coward who is too afraid to say any of the things he says here to the “cowardly” Kreuk’s face, reveal his real motivation for constantly broaching her here even in articles unrelated to her, cries about her hiding non-existent things, answers his own comments so he can continue to bring her up and call others out, etc.
–She has never spoken of it. She made a false statement a year after because of the press.
Yes, she has spoken of it. She just hasn’t gone into detail about it. And just because you say what she said is false over and over again, doesn’t make it so.
–No. She does not want anyone exposing her NXIVM role.
Anyone who has done even half-assed research into her association with NXIVM knows what her role was.
–Projection because you can’t deny it.
LOL. Learn the definition of projection, you moron.
–No. YOU have saturated this blog with your bullshit. Kristin Gook has never answered anything about it. The press doesn’t even know about it. The only other place this was discussed was the Saratoga in Decline blog. You are not Gook’s spokesperson.
ROFL. Says the guy who claims to know what the people in the “press” know. No. What I did was simply *react* to the content of articles and comments made here. And if this is the only place her role in NXIVM has been “discussed” (besides John Tighe’s old blog), and nothing has happened for the past several years, what makes you think that your constant bitching and moaning about it here is going to suddenly change anything? Oh, I forgot, you don’t really care about that.
–It’s all true. It is written down for all to see. Dates. Photographs.
And yet no one really gives a shit at this supposedly “hard evidence” no one seems to know about except you. That sly, devious, “smell-the-fart”, C-list actress. Fooling everyone including the FBI and members of the prosecution. Perhaps she should win an Oscar for this acting job alone.
I love the fact that you 2 go at it all the time.
I feel there may be a tension in the air…. unfulfilled desire perhaps?
Darling, ALL social issues matter!
Don’t just make that comment her, put it on Kristin Crook(ed)’s Instagram account as well. LOL
Or write a letter to Kreuk’s father.