By AnonyMaker
This is in response to the story Every Action and Reaction to COVID-19 Is Based on Totally Flawed Data Because We Are Testing People for Any Strain of a Coronavirus, Not Specifically COVID-19
Fact-check turns up, first, that this is being spammed without attribution from another source:
which has apparently in turn gotten it from other unattributed sources:
This in turn apparently ties somehow to David Icke – the reptilian alien shape shifter conspiracy guy:
“ER Editor: David Icke picked up on this very topic of the test being used to determine the virus a couple of days ago and did a video discussion of it, which we’re including below. How can we know who has a PARTICULAR VIRUS when the test is picking up ANY STRAIN of coronavirus, and there are indeed many of them in our bodies at any given time!”
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And, not surprisingly for something attributed to anonymous sources and spreading in dubious ways, it appears to be false – COVID-19 tests do actually test for specific genes, not those common to all coronaviruses:
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Coronavirus and the race to distribute reliable diagnostics
“Rather than develop bespoke PCR tests, IDbyDNA is one of a handful of companies employing metagenomic nucleic acid analysis as a routine diagnostic and surveillance tool. Its existing Explify Respiratory test, which is a laboratory-developed (or ‘home brew’) test, can identify over 900 respiratory pathogens, including viruses, bacteria, fungi and parasites, by comparing unbiased metagenomic data obtained from patient samples with a large repository of sequence data. It can already detect the SARS-CoV-2 strain. ”
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41587-020-00002-2
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Coronavirus Detectable With IDbyDNA Explify Respiratory Test
“Since the publication of the 2019-nCoV genome, IDbyDNA’s team has analyzed in-silico generated samples and computationally validated the capability to detect 2019-nCoV and differentiate it from other human coronaviruses.”
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Coronavirus testing: How does it work?
“A PCR test can confirm a diagnosis of COVID-19 if it identifies two specific SARS-CoV-2 genes.”
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/coronavirus-testing#how-does-it-work
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SARS-CoV-2 Testing: Trials and Tribulations
‘the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) designed a nucleic acid amplification test that targeted three independent regions of the SARS-CoV-2 nucleocapsid gene (N1, N2, N3), in addition to the human ribonuclease P (RNase P) gene, which serves both as an internal amplification control and indicator of specimen adequacy. Importantly, detection of each target required a separate polymerase chain reaction (PCR), ie, four reactions were required for each specimen tested. ‘
https://academic.oup.com/ajcp/advance-article/doi/10.1093/ajcp/aqaa052/5813763
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That leads to the question, who is concocting false but convincing-sounding narratives like this, and spreading them around? And why are they being published without at least some journalistic vetting?
Frank Parlato 
Janine Morrison 
J.J. O'Hara 
Richard Luthmann 
Marie White 
Paul Serran
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In a bit of related news, since there ended up being a lot of discussion of hydroxychloroquine here, he one, small, semingly positive French study that’s been hyped, could turn out to be like the “cold fusion” research scandal (for those old enough to remember that):
‘Bad science on hydroxychloroquine
The most famous trial thus far comes from a famous (and maverick) French scientist named Didier Raoult. It was a small study that claimed that the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin resulted in rapid clearance of SARS-CoV-2 from patients treated with it. It was an abysmally bad study for a number of reasons. The study was not randomized, and the control group was treated entirely at a different hospital than the experimental group. Data were missing from the controls. Some patients in the treatment group who deteriorated were excluded from the analysis; i.e., no intention-to-treat analysis was carried out. There was weirdness and inconsistency about how the virus was measured by PCR. There were no outcome data to show whether the treated group did better than the controls. The list goes on. Indeed, it was so bad that I now suspect more than just incompetence; I suspect scientific fraud. Indeed, more recent data find no difference in viral clearance in COVID-19 patients treated with anti-malaria drugs.’
* The FDA’s emergency use authorization of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19: Dangerous politics, not science
> https://respectfulinsolence.com/2020/04/01/fda-eua-chloroquine-hydroxychloroquine-covid-19/
Note that the author of the blog cited, the Managing Editor of Science Based Medicine ( https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/ ), is a cancer surgeon obviously familiar with how medical research is supposed to be done – though not an infectious disease specialist
Democratic governor who banned hydroxychloroquine gets caught HOARDING it.
The dems aren’t just stupid, but virtually retarded.
https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1247635952530534401
Have a nice day. 🙂
No, there wasn’t a “ban” like crank bloggers are claiming:
* Fact check: Trump-touted COVID treatment still available in Nevada, but only in hospitals
> https://www.rgj.com/story/news/politics/2020/03/31/fact-check-nevadas-partial-ban-chloroquine-hydroxychloroquine/5097679002/
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Even local Fox News understood there was nuance to what was going on:
‘Price gouging and hoarding is happening to more products than just masks and toilet paper. It’s why Sisolak put restrictions on two drugs that have been used to treat COVID-19: chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine.
“If you could give me a million doses or two million of hydroxychloroquine we could change things but we don’t have them. So that drug has to be used for people either on the malaria, lupus front or people that have it prescribed to them,” said Sisolak. ‘
https://www.fox5vegas.com/news/governor-sisolak-says-nevada-behind-the-curve-on-covid-19-testing/article_b6fa8576-7631-11ea-9ff0-132570bdee8a.html
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In Google News, the reports starting to come in don’t look so rosy:
Top coverage
Publisher of hydroxychloroquine study touted by Trump says the research didn’t meet its standards
President Trump has been a cheerleader for the drug hydroxychloroquine, pointing in a tweet and in person to a French study as evidence that one particular …
2 hours ago
‘No miraculous recovery’: Some ICU doctors say hydroxychloroquine isn’t helping sickest patients
Does hydroxychloroquine cure coronavirus? Trump and Cuomo have promoted hydroxychloroquine as a coronavirus COVID-19 treatment. Does HCQ work for …
8 hours ago
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Anti-malaria drug shortage impacting Coloradans with auto-immune disorders
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French Hospital Stops Hydroxychloroquine Treatment for COVID-19 Patient Over Major Cardiac Risk
The head of cardiology said they are now monitoring the ECG recordings of patients in the trial.
10 hours ago
[Hospitals in Sweden have stopped its use over similar concerns, plus lack of significant effectiveness]
In today’s news, New Hampshire governor Chris Sununu – son of John, White House Chief of Staff under President George H. W. Bush – has done largely the same thing that Nevada’s governor did:
Emergency Order in NH Limits Use of Hydroxychloroquine, Other Drugs
Chris Sununu limits hydroxychloroquine, chloroquine and albuterol due to shortage concerns. The order has exceptions for COVID-19 patients who are high risk …
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/emergency-order-in-nh-limits-use-of-hydroxychloroquine-other-drugs/2104766/
And one uninformed liberal spews forth ignorance and it gets repeated ad nauseous if they think they’re on to something,. It would be funny if it weren’t infuriating in this time of a global pandemic. Liberals value politics more than human life.
The Left’s Ugly Reaction to Hydroxychloroquine
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/the-lefts-ugly-reaction-to-hydroxychloroquine/
To begin with, even the National Review has to admit in that article:
“It’s also possible that Trump is hopeful about hydroxychloroquine because he thinks it will help his reelection.”
Besides possibly being hyped for political purposes, kind of like the latest diet fad – how many of those have we seen come and go, or go wrong like the fen-phen combination that turned out to do heart damage? – the adults in the room are just pointing out that the evidence for it working is very mixed and its effectiveness limited at best, particularly when the very real side effects are taken into account:
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‘“The data are really just, at best, suggestive,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told CBS’s Face the Nation on April 5. “There have been cases that show there may be an effect, and there are others to show there’s no effect. So I think, in terms of science, I don’t think we could definitively say it works.”’
* The evidence for using hydroxychloroquine to treat Covid-19 is flimsy
https://www.vox.com/2020/4/7/21209539/coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-covid-19-clinical-trial
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* Mayo Clinic cardiologist: ‘Inexcusable’ to ignore hydroxychloroquine side effects
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/mayo-clinic-cardiologist-inexcusable-ignore-hydroxychloroquine-side-effects-n1178776
Hospitals OVERWHELMED and treating patients in tents…
https://time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patients/#click=https://t.co/vn77IakD2G
Oh wait… It’s not coronavirus. It’s flu.
Have a nice day. 🙂
Breaking news…
LA Times has reported ‘overcrowding’ in hospitals and the need to setup ‘surge tents’ to manage the outbreak…
Oh, but it’s NOT for Coronavirus.
Actually, it’s an article published on January 17th 2020 —– and it’s talking about the FLU.
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1247723578784710656
The libtards don’t want this stuff reported.
Have a nice day. 🙂
You won’t believe this.
I’m guessing it’s a fake story meant to make people laugh. Can’t be real. No way.
Maybe a belated April Fools joke story.
https://babylonbee.com/news/liberal-treated-with-hydroxychloroquine-hopes-he-still-dies-of-covid-19-to-prove-trump-is-stupid?utm_content=buffera3e6c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
CORRECTION: This story is REAL.
I just had a confidential informant CONFIRM that the guy in this story is AnonyFaker’s nephew.
That would explain the irrationality of the story.
(AnonyFaker has no kids of his own cuz he’s flaccid and is shooting blanks)
COVID is ‘not’ causing more deaths in 2020 compared to other years.
https://twitter.com/timkowal/status/1247712935578726400/photo/1
It’s possible that many of the deaths classified as “COVID” would have happened anyway, as many experts and doctors are saying.
They are simply taking many ‘heart attack’ and ‘lung disease’ deaths and counting them as COVID deaths —– simply because the patient caught the virus at the hospital. This would explain why overall deaths aren’t massively spiking upward as a whole, and appear to be lower this year.
We’re shutting down the nation for a LOWER DEATH COUNT than normal.
Have a nice day. 🙂
Wow!
New info… MUST READ…
Cardiologist gives us a shocker by reporting:
1) His hospital is empty of COVID cases. No surge happening.
2) The media hysteria has caused MOST of the other (non COVID) patients to not visit the hospital even when they need treatment, for fear of getting infected. Furloughs happening everywhere for nurses and doctors.
3) He says that patients suffering from ‘heart attack’ and ‘stroke’ are down by 60%-80% compared to normal, LOL, yet we know that these people didn’t magically stop having these other ailments. They are simply too afraid to visit the hospital unless they are on the verge of dying on the spot —— and even then they’ll think twice about visiting the hospital, LOL.
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1247709091688075266/photo/2
Have a nice day. 🙂
Liberal Treated With Hydroxychloroquine Hopes He Still Dies Of COVID-19 To Prove Trump Is Stupid
April 7th, 2020
NEW YORK, NY—When Jeffrey Walton tested positive for COVID-19, he hoped for a speedy recovery. But since he has been treated with hydroxychloroquine, the experimental treatment President Donald Trump has been touting, he now hopes he dies quickly to help prove that Trump is an idiot.
While Trump has been giving people hope that hydroxychloroquine could save lives, his political opponents have called it false hope and claimed Trump has no idea what he’s talking about. Walton, a lifelong Democrat and progressive, had joined in calling Trump “irresponsible” and an “ignoramus” and now has an opportunity to prove it by simply dying. “It’s such an opportunity, I don’t want to pass it up,” Walton said.
Doctor Glenn Logan, Walton’s physician, says he’s been up and down. “After we gave him the hydroxychloroquine, he got really excited about the idea of dying to prove Trump is dumb, and his good mood helped his condition, and he started to improve. Because that would only help Trump, his getting healthier made him depressed, which caused his condition to deteriorate. Which made him really happy. Which helped him recover and… Well, it’s been a weird cycle.”
Dr. Logan has been warning Walton that there is a chance he could fully recover. Walton is trying to prepare himself for this — a world where everything isn’t black and white and Trump can be right about some things — but he insists he’d much rather die
More great news from the source of the bioweapon virus, Communist China This should make comrades anonyfaker and his gal Hutchison absolutely elated.
Leading US manufacturers of medical safety gear told the White House that China prohibited them from exporting their products from the country as the coronavirus pandemic mounted — even as Beijing was trying to “corner the world market” in personal protective equipment, The Post has learned.
https://nypost.com/2020/04/05/trump-admin-weighs-legal-action-over-alleged-chinese-hoarding-of-ppe/
Minnesota media admit that the median age of their 29 deaths (from COVID) is 86 years old.
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1247403441426706432
Yet the whole state is on lockdown.
If the median age of death is 86 then protecting the younger people is NOT a logical thing to do BECAUSE it hurts the older people in the long run.
Why?
Cuz as long as the younger people don’t have herd immunity (by hiding from the virus) they will continue to pose a threat to the older people.
They should be separating and protecting the older people with strict measures, while letting the younger people get herd immunity so they won’t be a threat to the older people after a few weeks.
At this rate (with the lockdowns) the older people will continue to be threatened by the younger people for many months. This is not helping the older people.
Liberal policies are gonna kill more older people this way.
Have a nice day. 🙂
The critical point that I keep bringing up and you’ve been ignoring for weeks in your trolling – because it completely debunks the point of view you’re pushing, and you have no good answer for it – is the particularly dangerous aspect of COVID-19, that it puts an extraordinarily large number of people in the hospital, including young ones, even if the young have a higher survival rate.
It’s obvious from all the reports and evidence that our healthcare system is at the breaking point including running out of supplies in many places, and will soon be in others. Anything from a short-term reduction in restrictions to a herd immunity gambit, that resulted in more infections would also result in more people requiring hospitalization, and then at the point of complete overwhelm and lack of supplies, there would be triage and rationing, and the mortality rate would skyrocket including among the young and seemingly healthy.
The reality-check is that relying on the herd immunity approach, would be letting the same thing happen as the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic. That virus was actually less fatal in the initial wave of the pandemic, but then a mutated form appeared in the second wave that hit young people much harder, with the infamous result that we all know – so it’s a real cautionary tale.
The real experts agree with me, not you – or your Twitter guru and Raniere-like supposed armchair expert:
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Will ‘herd immunity’ work against coronavirus?
‘But the voracity of COVID-19 is threatening to shatter health care infrastructures, leading most experts to argue that without a vaccine, it is likely to do more harm than good.
“Herd immunity works best when we have a vaccine as well as a disease which doesn’t have serious consequences,” Whyte continued. “With no vaccine for coronavirus, it makes herd immunity less effective — and this disease has serious consequences in some people.”‘
https://www.foxnews.com/health/will-heard-immunity-work-against-coronavirus
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An infectious disease expert explains why herd immunity probably won’t work in the fight against coronavirus
‘It is currently unknown whether anyone can get reinfected with the novel coronavirus, which complicates plans to achieve herd immunity naturally. “The only safe way we will be able to get herd immunity against this virus is a vaccine,” said Natalie Dean, a biostatistician at the University of Florida who specializes in infectious disease epidemiology.
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“They’re making a big assumption … young people can get the disease and won’t die,” Dean explained. “We don’t have enough data to support that. We’re seeing 30-year-olds in the ICU and we don’t know if those people aren’t going to have long-term breathing problems and lung problems.”
In fact, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released a report on Wednesday that looked at coronavirus cases in the US between February 12 through March 16. Of the 508 hospitalizations for coronavirus, 20% of them were people ages 20 to 44, suggesting that “millennials are not invincible,” STAT news reports.
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In response, experts calculated that over 47 million people in the UK would need to be infected and then recover to achieve herd immunity, an estimate based on the idea that 70% of the population needs immunity to prevent the COVID-19 virus from spreading. Extrapolating from current case statistics, this would result in over one million dead and eight million needing critical care [and over 5 times as many as that, in the 5-6 times larger US population – or, even if the extrapolations are high, a still staggering and unacceptable toll].
Another report in Imperial College London modeled the effect of COVID-19 on the UK population under different intervention strategies such as social distancing, school closures, and home quarantine. It found a similar result that just letting the coronavirus spread will quickly overwhelm the healthcare system.’
https://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-herd-immunity-and-how-well-build-it-against-the-coronavirus-2020-3
Bangkok,
….With all of your rampant posting of rants and gratuitous links to of topic articles…..
I have to ask…..
Are you attempting to imitate Shadowstate?
The tagline of the article in that tweet actually makes the point I’ve been emphasizing for weeks, that young people still get sick at high rates, and require hospitalization – which you continue to ignore because it doesn’t fit your narrative, and actually disproves the bizarre case you are trying to make:
‘Despite recent public focus on older Minnesotans in group-living situations, the case counts showed that the most common age group for Minnesotans confirmed with the coronavirus is not the elderly, but those between 20 and 44 years old.’
Letting coronavirus infections run their course without efforts to flatten the curve through measures such as those being taken, would result in a surge of cases and hospitalizations of many times the capacity of the system – 5 to 10 times, according to the estimates and models most experts agree on, and that the White House has adopted – and its supply chain, already at the point of overload in many places, which would then cause greatly increased mortality among all age groups.
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The graph in this article makes the capacity problem clear:
* The US doesn’t just need to flatten the curve. It needs to “raise the line.”
https://www.vox.com/2020/4/7/21201260/coronavirus-usa-chart-mask-shortage-ventilators-flatten-the-curve
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There’s also this article about the significant number of younger people who have to be hospitalized – and who would start to suffer higher fatality rates if the healthcare system and resources became overwhelmed:
*Is coronavirus hitting young Americans harder than we thought?
“Nearly 40% of patients who were hospitalized in the US were under 55 and 20% were between 20 and 44 – experts weigh the evidence”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/01/coronavirus-young-americans-covid-19
LA doctor seeing success with hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19
https://abc7.com/health/la-doctor-seeing-success-with-hydroxychloroquine-to-treat-covid-19/6079864/
The one-off results of individual or small-scale observations (basically all that doctor is doing – highly subject to bias and error) and experiments just aren’t panning out, particularly when side effects are taken into account. The study that started it all off, turns out not to even meet scientific standards for publication:
Hydroxychloroquine Questions Intensify as Journal Says Its Drug Study ‘Did Not Meet Expected Standards’
https://www.newsweek.com/hydroxychloroquine-questions-intensify-journal-says-its-drug-study-did-not-meet-expected-1496459
What is coming in from other trials and experts:
* 56 New York Hospitals Now Treat COVID-19 Patients with Anti-malaria Drug; New Evidence Shows It’s Ineffective
https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/25215/20200406/56-new-york-hospitals-now-treat-covid-19-patients-anti-malaria-drug-ineffective.htm
* Hydroxychloroquine Is Ineffective In Treatment Of Patients Hospitalized With Covid-19, According To Small Controlled Trial From Shanghai
https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/03/25/hydroxychloroquine-is-ineffective-in-treatment-of-patients-hospitalized-with-covid-19-according-to-small-controlled-trial-from-shanghai/#344d249a6092
* Fox News Medical Expert Warns Americans Against Using ‘Quack Cure’ Malaria Drug that Trump Promoted to Treat Coronavirus
https://www.newsweek.com/fox-news-doctor-warns-americans-against-using-quack-cure-malaria-drug-that-trump-promoted-treat-1496444
Your experts are fools like you anonyfaker. You are constantly being debunked. Back to bed kid.
Here is why CHQ+ZPAK+ZINC works. It is ASTOUNDING how wrong the MSM, CDC, WHO are. They are treating the WRONG DISEASE (
In the last 3–5 days, a mountain of anecdotal evidence has come out of NYC, Italy, Spain, etc. about COVID-19 and characteristics of patients who get seriously ill. It’s not only piling up but now leading to a general field-level consensus backed up by a few previously little-known studies that we’ve had it all wrong the whole time. Well, a few had some things eerily correct (cough Trump cough), especially with Hydroxychloroquine with Azithromicin, but we’ll get to that in a minute.
http://web.archive.org/web/20200405061401/https://medium.com/@agaiziunas/covid-19-had-us-all-fooled-but-now-we-might-have-finally-found-its-secret-91182386efcb
You’ve got a blogger there who, in typical conspiracy-theory-like fashion – and a Raniere-like belief that they’re one of the world’s smartest men and top problem solvers, whose wisdom transcends the knowledge of experts – effectively claims that all the high trained medical personnel in every country on the planet somehow have it all wrong.
Yeah, right. And if you believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you, that I can make you an extra special pandemic deal on….
Here’s what they’re claiming at that link of yours:
‘There is no ‘pneumonia’ nor ARDS. At least not the ARDS with established treatment protocols and procedures we’re familiar with. Ventilators are not only the wrong solution, but high pressure intubation can actually wind up causing more damage than without, not to mention complications from tracheal scarring and ulcers given the duration of intubation often required… They may still have a use in the immediate future for patients too far to bring back with this newfound knowledge, but moving forward a new treatment protocol needs to be established so we stop treating patients for the wrong disease.’
A quick fact check debunks the above, among other things revealing that diagnostics including CT scans clearly demonstrate that there is indeed pneumonia associated with COVID-19
COVID-19 pneumonia: what has CT taught us
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30134-1/fulltext
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But hey, you can go online and find lots of people who think they know better than everyone one else, and have convincing-sound arguments that the earth is flat, too:
https://wiki.tfes.org/A_hundred_proofs_the_Earth_is_not_a_globe
But hey, you can go online and find lots of people who think they know better than everyone one else, and have convincing-sound arguments that the earth is flat, too
Hey anonyfaker you are an expert at only one thing….Projection. Hey kid ….the more shit you post, the more desperate you show yourself to be. Actual events are proving you to be a total con artist.
Also, for starters, “anecdotal evidence” is a fallacy of argumentation:
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal
and scientifically invalid:
‘Anecdotal evidence (also proof by selected instances, or, more pejoratively, anecdata) is use of one or more anecdotes (specific instances of an event; stories) to either support or refute a claim. The use of anecdotal evidence to draw a conclusion is like using the NBA all-star teams to estimate the average height of Americans.’
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence
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You’re disingenuously if not dishonestly using a WayBack machine link to that blog you cite, because it’s been taken down:
‘This account is under investigation or was found in violation of the Medium Rules.’
As far as the bizarre claim in the blog, that “There is no ‘pneumonia’” I just ran across a great new article – linked to from Fox News’ coronavirusnow.com site – that does a great job of explaining COVID-19 pneumonia:
What happens to people’s lungs when they get coronavirus?
Respiratory physician John Wilson explains the range of Covid-19 impacts, from no symptoms to severe illness featuring pneumonia
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/07/what-happens-to-lungs-coronavirus-covid-19#maincontent
AnonyMaker,
I agree with most of your comment, however citing Shanghai as a credible source is preposterous.
You’re quoting a source from a country that has been reported for organ harvesting and medical experiments on innocent people on a huge scale; reported by PBS Fox News NBC the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times.
You might as well start quoting shadowstate, Bangkok, and Scott Johnson.
Holy Cow!!
Associated Press is caught LYING by using a deceptive headline that isn’t true.
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1247541778854510593
Arizona won’t need many ventilators so it reduced its request for them, due to lower hospital rates.
But the Associated Press is claiming that it reduced its request due to a dwindling stockpile, LOL.
They are deceptively tricking their audience with a deceptive headline.
…and idiots like AnonyFaker are literally cheering them on for tricking people, LOL.
Have a nice day. 🙂
Hell has frozen over.
CDC Director says deaths will be MUCH, MUCH lower than projected.
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1247542879741861891
Not that this is ‘news’ (since I’ve been saying that for days) —- but it’s certainly ‘news’ that the CDC is actually ADMITTING this fact already, LOL.
The task force (Fauci, Birx, etc.) cannot admit this publicly for a while of course, since they can’t risk being wrong if something unexpected happens —- cuz the press will slam them for it. They will wait until the crisis is over before admitting that anything positive has happened, LOL. But that’s just politics. We can’t blame them.
Have a nice day. 🙂
Dem Lawmaker Who Credited Trump For Saving Her Life Says She Had to Beg For Hydroxychloroquine After Michigan Gov Barred the Drug (VIDEO)
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/dem-lawmaker-credited-trump-saving-life-says-beg-hydroxychloroquine-michigan-gov-barred-drug-video/
Attention citizens!
Great day for TRUTH and bad day for Team Apocalypse. 🙂
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1247559261623848967
Net ‘intubations’ in NY have fallen by 80% since Friday.
Have a nice day. 🙂
*As always, death rates are a LAGGING indicator and always lag behind other data.
People admitted to ICU during the surge (7-10 days ago) will still be dying over the next few days, so the press will show glee at these death numbers even though the other data is going way down.
Holy Shit!
Just 36 hours after the University of Washington released it’s “updated” model (for predicting hospitalizations and deaths) —– the model has BLOWN UP again.
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1247560213793779715
This model is a comedy routine. It’s WRONG yet again
They can’t even get it right after CHEATING and changing their model midway thru the pandemic, LOL.
How can anybody listen to these models when they can’t predict ANYTHING correctly?
Well, I know that AnonyFaker has full faith in these failed models —– cuz he doesn’t have anything else in his life worth living for.
The ‘apocalypse’ is the only thing that gives his life meaning —— cuz he can feel more important by helping his local church to prepare for the end of the world. LOL.
Bill Gates is financing this model by paying millions, LOL, and yet it’s no better than throwing darts at a board.
Garbage in, Garbage out. GIGO.
Have a nice day. 🙂
Media is now comparing death toll to several 9/11’s.
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1247585208477548548
*Yet when tens of thousands die from the flu each year, including many more children (many children die from flu but don’t die from COVID) we don’t call it anything, and everybody just smiles and goes on with their lives as if nothing happened.
This is ‘semantics’ on steroids.
The liberals only care about deaths which can positively impact their political agenda.
Very sick and twisted people. Not very human.
Have a nice day. 🙂
Interesting Factoid about COVID…
3 different countries which had the most aggressive and early ‘social distancing’ in place HAD THE WORST OUTBREAKS.
France, Italy and Spain.
This poses an interesting question about NOSOCOMIAL transmission and INTRAFAMILIAL transmission.
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1247500508841025542
Nosocomial Example:
Early on, TONS of people got freaked out by the ‘media hysteria’ and ‘lockdowns’ so they visited the hospital when they didn’t need to, because they had minor cold/flu symptoms (and were terrified it might be COVID). A large percentage of these people tested negative, but they wound up getting infected anyway at the hospital.
Fact: 80%-90% of all people tested for COVID are ‘negative’ and are sent home from the hospital without being admitted (only 10%-20% of people tested are positive for the virus). But ‘nosocomial’ infections are ones that happen at the hospital, the ultimate breeding ground for this virus.
Intrafamilial Example:
Forcing families to huddle around each other 24/7 is dangerous, especially when the younger family members often have NO symptoms even when infected, which guarantees that the whole family gets infected without even knowing who infected them.
So if France, Italy and Spain had the *earliest* and *most aggressive* lockdowns — but their infection rate was worse — then we need to understand that our current method of ‘lockdowns’ and ‘hysteria’ might not be helping as much as we think.
*The reductions/flattening that everybody is seeing now (including Italy) may simply be herd immunity running its normal course, just as it does with the flu each year.
Have a nice day. 🙂
You can troll your denialist word salad as much as Frank will let you, and spam links to tweets by the armchair guru you apparently now want us to think is one of the worlds highest IQs and top problem solvers when it comes to coronavirus, but we only need look under the hood to see the sort of crank sources you are relying on:
Discredited Author Says Maybe We Should Blame Weed For COVID-19
https://thefreshtoast.com/cannabis/discredited-author-says-maybe-we-should-blame-weed-for-covid-19/
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Some Google graph that your weed-obsessed guru (who wrote a Reefer Madness style book as well) has cherry-picked does not necessarily tell us anything meanignful about the effectiveness of social distancing in various countries. Here’s a different take from Google data:
Social distancing: did individuals act before governments?
‘Using online searches for restaurants as a proxy to assess whether and to what extent individuals were practicing social distancing before strict lockdown measures, we identify substantial differences between countries. In some countries, including Denmark and Portugal, searches for restaurants were considerably down before restaurant restrictions were put in place. Countries where social distancing started earlier, regardless of when policies were enacted, can expect a flatter coronavirus curve.’
https://www.bruegel.org/2020/04/social-distancing-did-individuals-act-before-governments/
Bangkok,
“Nosocomial Example”?
…More like nonsensical example moron.
Like you’re an example of a nonsensical troll.
Tell your mamma I said hi!!!! 😉
Consider the benign 60-year-long proven history of HCQ usage.. plus the fact that HCQ has already prevented thousands of deaths worldwide. The “decision” is a no-brainer, provided you have one.
Moreover, the negligible side effects [especially when compared to nearly certain death] do not traditionally show up until you’ve been using Hydroxychloroquine for months or years. Now take into account that successful treatment is being measured in days, not months.YouTube
HCQ is currently being used to cure cv19 in France, Spain, Turkey, China, Italy, Israel, India and many other countries. Bottom line.. we have overwhelming, blatantly obvious, and irrefutable hard global evidence that HCQ has already saved countless lives, with some large trials (treating hundreds of patients) with 100% recovery rates, ie ZERO deaths.
Hydroxychloroquine – SAVES LIVES! The Indian government is so impressed with HCQ’s success that they have rescinded [canceled] a large order (millions of doses) that was scheduled for delivery to the USA.
Is that more fakery from the same source, I already debunked? And what’s the agenda behind continuing to overhype a drug that, even if the best preliminary results panned out fully, would still be just a treatment that was only be moderately effective for some patients (see final quote at bottom), not any sort of cure that anyone should be lead to expect to rely on?
The reality-check is that if it were anywhere near a miracle cure, people would alreadly be waltzing out of ICUs all over the world.
There science is that there’s a new study in preprint from trials at NYU Langone, about the significant adverse effects of cardiac arrhythmia and the development of acute renal failure in COVID-19 patients.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.02.20047050v1.full.pdf
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Plus this just out today:
56 New York Hospitals Now Treat COVID-19 Patients with Anti-malaria Drug; New Evidence Shows It’s Ineffective
https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/25215/20200406/56-new-york-hospitals-now-treat-covid-19-patients-anti-malaria-drug-ineffective.htm
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‘Hospitals in Sweden, in fact, have stopped using hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 because the side effects have been so strong.’
https://www.businessinsider.com/hydroxychloroquine-trump-coronavirus-wonder-drug-does-it-work-2020-4
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Medical expert on Fox News debunks Fox’s push to use hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19
“We know already, from studies, at best it will have a very mild effect — at very best. There are studies that conflict a little bit, one from the other. One concludes it has no effect, the other concludes it has a mild effect. The net result is, whatever effect it has, it will be very mild. That drug has been used for years against many other viruses — to no effect.”
https://www.mediamatters.org/coronavirus-covid-19/medical-expert-fox-news-debunks-foxs-push-use-hydroxychloroquine-treat-covid
You still pushing your bullshit. Mediamatters???? That left wing bullshit pablum puking site. Fact check anonyfaker you are eaaily being exposed as a left wing nut hack.
FACT CHECK: Trump Asked a Reporter If She Was Working For China… She Is.
President Trump asked a reporter at his April 6th press event if she was working for the government of China, following a hostile question.
She replied that her company – Phoenix Media – is “privately” owned.
She’s lying.
The Hong Kong/Cayman Islands based Phoenix Media is actually owned in large part by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and by a former CCP propaganda officer.
As of 2018, Phoenix Satellite Holdings was owned by Liu Changle (37.1% of shares). Changle is a “former PLA propaganda official who is close to senior Chinese government leaders”.
https://thenationalpulse.com/news/trump-reporter-china/
So, if a Latino-looking NEW YORK TIMES reporter put under similar interrogation replies that she is not working for the Mexican Govt. — despite the little known fact that Carlos Slim Helu’ — a businessman of Lebanese descent who’s basically ruled Mexico alongside the Salinas family for decades —owns a huge chunk of the NYT, would that Times reporter be lying? Pegged as a spy for Mexico out to overthrow the U.S. with a single question?
You need a Reality check, Reality, and POTUS needs to stop evading tough questions by crying “Chinese conspiracy” or “fake news” every time he’s at a loss for words.
Aw little Heidi doubling down on stupid. NYT is another failing left wing tabloid, going broke. Leave it to an airhead like you to defend a Communist Chinese propagandist. POTUS evading tough questions….lady you don’t have a fucking clue. Keep following your own leftist conspiracies, it fits your mentality.
Sticks and Stones, “Sir Reality”…better spelled “Surreality.”
Speaking of — Where is Parlato’s pal, Roger Stone — who put Frank up to hitting up Raniere for some big Bronfman bucks for Trump’s campaign?
And why would anyone throw Stones at or organize a full-scale police investigation for that matter on a ‘little airhead’ Mom with no criminal record whatsoever —after Frank Parlato showed up uninvited to her home offering to investigate her sister’s death 17 years ago?
This entire Administration
AND the Humpty Dumpty congress are OFF THE WALL and will wind up in the history books with egg on all their faces IF humanity somehow survives them.
BER-NIE! BER-NIE!
Hang on. Parlato turned up on your doorstep to help solve your sister’s crime – 17 years ago.
Then he turns up on the Snyder’s doorstep to do the same thing with Kristin’s family? And both of you are left with a weird sour taste, as if all this might not be out of compassion for your families but rather to elevate Parlato’s status as a warrior for ‘Truth’?
I did not show up at anyone’s doorstep. I was writing about both women long before I met family members. I tried to enlist Kim Snyder in the investigation, funded by Investigation Discovery. She told me then [and I have the texts] that she was under orders from Toni Natalie not to speak to me. [Toni told me she said that was “because Kim is retarded”. Kim and her family provided zero help to me in the investigation when ID was making the film that aired. But they did agree to meet me after the filming was done and provided some useful information. I am sorry I cannot spend all my time writing about Kristin Snyder. But I cannot. Meantime, I am still investigating her disappearance and when it is appropriate, I will publish new information.
At the end of the day, it may be suicide – but Kristin was driven to it by a pack of wolves. Until I have some new information, there is nothing to say. I’ve written dozens of stories. And followed every lead. Patience is necessary.
By the way, I met Heidi in 2017 not 17 years ago.
As for Heidi Hutchinson, she provided what help she could and did participate in the filming.
Bernie is gone cupcake. Looks like he won’t be your party’s sacrificial lamb in the upcoming Trump lanslide. Sux to be you cupcake. BTW I know you are not very astute but pay attention to the FISA findings while you are busy shitting your panties during this fear mongering. Ole Rog gonna be a rich man.
Hey Hutchison, how’s that Trump derangement syndrome going. Hope it gives you a constant dose of the shitz. You have some fuckin nerve saying the President does not handle tough questions
As anyone who has been watching the daily press briefings about the virus knows, the duplicitous non-journalists in the room are not one bit interested in actual facts or any good news about the virus, hydroxychloroquine, or medical equipment supplies, or any other information that may be gleaned about the administration’s war against this flu. They are driven only by their hatred for this president, who has risen to the challenge as a true leader.
President Trump put the medical and scientific task force together early on, when the left was paying attention to and reporting only on the impeachment. He banned travelers from China when the Democrats and media called him a racist for implementing the ban, and he started screening passengers from all over the world.
We see the reporters’ ill-mannered disrespect throughout the mainstream media, network television, on CNN and MSNBC. No one can miss the truth of the left’s plan: we can use this virus to destroy the economy and the country, and that will be the end of Trump.
But it won’t. A majority of Americans can see for themselves that he has handled this crisis like a pro at problem-solving. Trump is exactly that — a problem-solver, no matter the magnitude of the problem.
Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/04/the_trumphaters_are_chronically_addicted_to_their_rage.html#ixzz6IxkXa51E
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Is anonyfaker on the Communist Chinese payroll
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/04/05/china-floods-facebook-instagram-undeclared-coronavirus-propaganda/
China floods Facebook with undeclared coronavirus propaganda ads blaming Trump
Exclusive: State news outlets have bought numerous ads extolling China’s response to the pandemic and attacking the mistakes of the US
Chinese state media has been flooding Facebook and Instagram with undisclosed political ads blaming President Donald Trump for the Wuhan coronavirus. Facebook said in a statement that it was an “error” that the ads were not classified as political and is correcting them.
The Telegraph reports that Chinese state media has been posting undisclosed political ads to Facebook and Instagram in an attempt to downplay China’s role in the Wuhan coronavirus pandemic and blaming President Donald Trump. Three Chinese state media outlets, Xinhua, China Central Television, and the Global Times, have targeted ads towards users across the world in English, Chinese, and Arabic.The ads have reportedly been seen millions of times and extol China’s efforts to fight the coronavirus while downplaying the countries domestic outbreak. The articles portray President Trump as misguided and racist and suggest that the virus may have originated in the United States. “[China] has taken stringent and forceful measures, and turned the tide on coronavirus,” said one ad. Another states: “Trump’s disruption to China has severe consequences.”
All of the ads initially ran without a political disclaimer which allowed them to hide information about who the ads were targeting and where they originated from. Several of the articles focused on President Trump’s use of the term “Chinese virus” to describe the coronavirus while others highlighted statements from Chinese president Xi Jinping.
The Telegraph reached out to Facebook about the ads, the social media network stated that it was an error that the ads were not classified as political and has since corrected the issue. A spokesperson also stated that many of the ads are running in countries where Facebook requires no disclosure making it difficult to determine how much more propaganda may have gone unnoticed on the site.
The Facebook spokesperson told the Telegraph that it was choosing to label media outlets instead of banning them because it prefers greater transparency, adding that all Facebook’s services must follow local laws and that those who violate its policies can be temporarily banned.
Another bullshit democrap con artist
3 Weeks Ago Newsom Said 25.5 Million People in California Would be Infected with Coronavirus Over 8-Week Period – Actual Number Today? … 15,247
As of Monday morning, California has 15,247 confirmed COVID-19 infections and 350 deaths — OUT OF 40 MILLION PEOPLE!
That was the worst case scenario, if California didn’t take the measures that they did – which the armchair quarterbacks criticized at the time, as an overreaction.
Now the armchair quarterbacks, and political partisans, are going to critizice California for having succeded?
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When will coronavirus peak in the US? Dire report shows why ‘flattening the curve’ matters
‘U.S. Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams told “Fox & Friends” on Monday that, at this moment in time, the U.S. is “at a critical inflection point in this country” in regards to COVID-19 infections.
“People, we are where Italy was two weeks ago in terms of our numbers,” Adams said. “And we have a choice to make as a nation. Do we want to go the direction of South Korea, and really be aggressive and lower our mortality rates or do we want to go the direction of Italy.”‘
https://www.foxnews.com/us/when-will-coronavirus-peak-in-the-us-flattening-the-curve
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2 weeks ago:
California wakes up to strictest coronavirus measures in USA: Here are new rules
https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-strictest-coronavirus-measures-new-rules
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At the White House a week ago:
Birx praises California, Washington for coronavirus response, says NY, NJ lagged
https://www.foxnews.com/health/birx-praises-california-washington-for-coronavirus-response-says-ny-nj-lagged
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Brian Goebel: California Substantially Flattened the COVID-19 Curve in March
https://www.noozhawk.com/article/brian_goebel_california_flattened_covid_19_curve_in_march_20200405
That was the worst case scenario, Now anonyfaker says this.
Yet a couple of weeks ago the fake and his butt buddy Paul were promoting the Imperial College study of alarmist Neil Ferguson.
Thanks for the opportunity to show how accurate I and others actually were – see, at bottom, where we were 2 weeks ahead of Trump and the White House catching on.
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The Imperial College study is actually what the White House was influenced by, see below. POTUS’ current figure of 100,000 – 200,000 dead is based what the study said would result in the US, if social distancing and other restrictions were put in place as they have been – and up to 2.2 million dead, if not. And if you actually go back to the old discussions, you’ll see that’s about what Paul and I were arguing for as realistic, and Bangkok was denying, before the White House finally went ahead and adopted it:
‘Trump said he’d seen early estimates that 2.2 million people could have died if the government had done nothing in a worst-case scenario, so “if we can hold that down to 100,000” or less, it would be a “good job.” Had the country simply ridden the virus “like a cowboy” and driven “that sucker right through,” the president insisted, disaster would have unfolded.’
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-coronavirus-briefing-death-rate-social-distancing
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British coronavirus study helped upend epidemic strategies in US
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/a-chilling-scientific-paper-helped-upend-us-and-uk-coronavirus-strategies/2020/03/17/aaa84116-6851-11ea-b199-3a9799c54512_story.html
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POTUS March 29: “So you’re talking about 2.2 million deaths, 2.2 million people from this. And so if we could hold that down, as we’re saying, to 100,000 — it’s a horrible number, maybe even less — but to 100,000. So we have between 100 and 200,000, and we all together have done a very good job.”
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AnonyMaker, March 14: “248,000 deaths – not hospitalizations” (over a full 2 seasons)
https://frankreport.com/2020/03/14/coronavirus-shuts-down-prison-visitation-all-over-the-country-mdc-may-be-next/#comment-126877
Funny how the self-proclaimed “centrist” anonyfaker always runs to defend left-wing politicians like Newsome and Cuomo. If bullshit was money, this hypocrite would be worth millions
I had to paste that Imperial link up here 3 times before you and the other ‘personality,’ Paul, began to focus on it. Oh, and I’m just a person who pays attention and knows how to research. You are so focussed on your ‘role’ you actually believe you ‘know’ better than anyone else. I, an ex-nurse nobody, was weeks ahead on this. Like most of us actually working in this, I still am. Do not rely on this report for any ACTUAL help and information, do your own research, and defer to the knowledge of your own doctors.
Another bullshit democrap con artist
‘I Take My Personal Hygiene Very Seriously’: Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot Violates Her Own Quarantine Advice to Get a Haircut
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/i-take-my-personal-hygiene-very-seriously-chicago-mayor-lori-lightfoot-violates-her-own-quarantine-advice-to-get-a-haircut/
I see that Bangkok is frenetically spamming/trolling the board with post content scraped from his denialist Twitter guru’s feed and other questionable sources (and, perhaps disingenuously, German-language sources he is unable to read in the original, unlike me – ja, ich kan’s lesen – and is selectively or mis-quoting, perhaps not expecting anyone to catch it), so rather than play the game I’m just going to do an overview of what’s really going on.
What’s clear is that regardless of quibbling over numbers and predictions, Bangkok continues to almost willfully ignore the particular reality of COVID-19 that it results in an extraordinarily high rate of hospitalizations, thus straining the healthcare system to the breaking point – which can itself have dangerous consequences including increased mortality even among the young. For those interested, here are some good articles I see in sources this evening, related to how the realities are actually playing out:
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White House: Americans should avoid grocery shopping as coronavirus hits apex
https://nypost.com/2020/04/05/white-house-americans-should-avoid-grocery-stores-as-coronavirus-hits-apex/
(Bangkok, that’s a reminder that if you and Berenson think you’re among the world’s highest IQs and top problem solvers, and from your armchairs have figured out what no one else can, then you should go bang on the White House gates to be let in to straighten things out, not )
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Report: Hospitals face “severe shortages” of coronavirus supplies, testing kits
‘Hospitals also reported widespread shortages of personal protective equipment (PPE), like masks and gloves.
The report said in some cases, hospitals have used non-medical grade equipment instead, like “construction masks or handmade masks and gowns.”
“The hospitals were just getting crushed from multiple vanish points trying to effectively treat patients with COIVD19,” said Regional Inspector General Ruth Dorrill. “Many of the hospitals were saying we might be doing OK now but if we increase our patient flow, we won’t be in a positive position in another week or two.”’
https://www.fox13memphis.com/news/local/report-hospitals-face-severe-shortages-coronavirus-supplies-testing-kits/GITDXL3SV5DMJOFU76LLDV5S5M/
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Key Drug Shortages in COVID-19 Fight
‘Now, multiple sources are reporting deepening shortages of the drugs needed to help ventilate patients and keep them sedated.’
https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=229847
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What Happens If You’re Seriously Ill and It’s Not From Covid-19?
‘When hospitals are hit with high numbers of acute cases, they triage, a battlefield technique to decide the order of treatment of patients based on urgency. A short-term measure, triage only works as long as the flow of patients keeps moving; once they’re stabilized, they’re moved elsewhere to recover.
The problem with Covid-19 is twofold. In a worst-case scenario, as the devastation in Italy made clear, hospitals exceed their capacity to treat life-threatening cases, Covid and not, and are faced with agonizing decisions about who to save. But even where emergency rooms are able to keep afloat, the decision to pull resources from elsewhere in the system and postpone procedures like cancer surgery or organ transplants for weeks, or even months, can pose life-threatening risks’
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/what-happens-if-you-e2-80-99re-seriously-ill-and-it-e2-80-99s-not-from-covid-19/ar-BB12a66w
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Coronavirus in NYC fills freezers with bodies, councilman warns of plan for ‘temporary interment’ in parks
https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-nyc-temporary-interment-city-parks-bodies-freezes-new-york-outbreak
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Mysterious Heart Damage, Not Just Lung Troubles, Befalling COVID-19 Patients
‘Patients who had heart disease before their coronavirus infections were much more likely to show heart damage afterward. But some patients with no previous heart disease also showed signs of cardiac damage. In fact, patients with no preexisting heart conditions who incurred heart damage during their infection were more likely to die than patients with previous heart disease but no COVID-19-induced cardiac damage.’
https://khn.org/news/mysterious-heart-damage-not-just-lung-troubles-befalling-covid-19-patients/
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Why Coronavirus Is Making Young Americans Really Sick
Most young people infected with the virus will survive, but what’s different in the ones who won’t?
‘The novel coronavirus primarily afflicts the elderly, with people over 65 at a higher risk for severe disease and death: At least that was the message coming out of China and Italy, lulling people who don’t fall into that category into a false sense of complacency. But as the virus has besieged U.S. soil in recent weeks, topping 200,000 cases and over 4,500 deaths as of April 1, more and more stories have emerged of young people in critical condition and, in rare cases, even dying from Covid-19.’
https://elemental.medium.com/why-coronavirus-is-making-young-americans-really-sick-9f27cae25a51
9 out of 26 comments. That’s over 34%. That’s a good rate. Bangkok is about to break the records of Shadowstate and Scott Johnson.
UK Prime Minister, Boris Johson, has been moved to the. ICU due to Covid 19. He has a pregnant fiancee. I’m hoping that BoJo, the PM who delivered Brexit, makes a quick recovery. 🕯️
Yes, I hope he recovers fast.
They mention that he had a little trouble breathing and was taken to ICU just as a precaution.
However, the scare mongers are trying to say that he wouldn’t be in ICU unless he were near death and in need of a ventilator — but that’s not quite correct.
He’s a prime minister of a major country. Thus, he’d be taken to ICU even at the slightest hint of labored breathing, even though no other patient would be.
In fact, many COVID patients (who never even visited a hospital and recovered from home) report going thru slightly labored breathing right before they recovered a few days later.
Slightly labored breathing is not uncommon for COVID patients who recover from home.
I wouldn’t read too much into the ‘ICU’ thing since he’s a prime minister —– so yes, he’ll be given special treatment no matter what the hospital tries to claim. He’ll be treated as a king.
Thus, if he were *really* getting close to dying (in need of a ventilator) they wouldn’t have waited this long to send him to the ICU. They would have sent him to ICU days ago if he were really that sick today.
He’s still talking to his cabinet via phone.
I’ll wait for official news before I jump to any conclusions.
However, he’s only 5’9″ and weighed near 17 stone (235 pounds) for most of his life, so he’s quite obese even though he’s lost a little weight in recent times (being obese is a complicating factor).
He’s quite obese (even today) and could possibly have other underlying issues that are not public information. I don’t know of many 55 year old, obese men who don’t suffer from other ailments.
We’ll just have to wait and see but hopefully he’ll be okay.
To begin with, you’re wrong about Johnson still talking to his cabinet by phone – at last report, the foreign minister deputized to take over for him, hadn’t talked to him since Saturday. He sounds like your kind of denier – and he may well have become infected to begin with, because he didn’t take the risks seriously enough.
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The strange lead-up to Boris Johnson’s admission to hospital
Repeated denials of prime minister’s worsening condition now coming under scrutiny
‘The first indication that Boris Johnson was sicker with coronavirus than either he or his aides were letting on came on Thursday morning. The suggestion made by a source was specific: a bed was being prepared at St Thomas’ hospital for the prime minister, whose condition had worsened during his seven-day period of isolation in Downing Street.
It did not take long for rumours to spread. A Conservative backbencher had heard a similar story, this time suggesting Johnson may have even already been admitted to the hospital across the Thames from Westminster, and passed the tip to the Guardian at about the same time. Together it was more than enough to prompt an urgent inquiry to No 10.
In reply, Johnson’s aides were emphatic. His condition had not deteriorated, he still had only “mild symptoms”, he hoped to be at work from Friday when his coronavirus isolation period was up – and he had not been admitted to St Thomas’ hospital for treatment. When on Monday evening it emerged that contrary to reassurances about him getting on with his red box, he was being admitted to intensive care, the denials were coming under increasing scrutiny.’
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/apr/06/the-strange-lead-up-to-boris-johnsons-admission-to-hospital
Boris is still NOT on a ventilator even though the Washington Post is using ‘sensationalist’ headlines to imply that he is (“Boris in ICU on Oxygen Support”). LOL.
Oxygen support is ‘not’ the same as a ventilator.
In fact… He was even given oxygen support from his HOME last week, LOL.
So this is not really a ‘major’ change in condition.
It simply means he’s having labored breathing which can feel scary to people that haven’t had it before, but it’s not pneumonia and it really isn’t a life threatening situation even without oxygen support.
Giving him oxygen support is not a life or death situation and is largely just precautionary, as you can administer it from home.
As per this most recent update, he still does NOT have pneumonia.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/apr/07/boris-johnson-not-on-a-ventilator-in-intensive-care-says-gove
On a different note…
*He’s very obese and is certainly not without health issues (high blood pressure, hypertension) since it’s impossible to be that obese at 55 years old without having some of those issues.
So regardless of what his PR team says about his health, he likely has underlying issues besides being obese (which by itself is a complicating factor). Just common sense.
So he’s certainly not a ‘healthy person’. He’s certainly not an OUTLIER. He’s 55 and very obese and he fits the description of somebody who could get complications.
Thus, it is very possible he could get pneumonia in the coming days and be placed on a ventilator. I hope it doesn’t happen, but it’s certainly very possible since he’s not a healthy guy.
I’m merely saying that as of NOW, the sensationalist headlines (designed to scare people about Boris) are not accurately portraying the situation since he does not have pneumonia (yet).
Let’s just wait and see what happens.
If he gets pneumonia then it wouldn’t surprise me due to his obese health status —– but until that time comes, I’ll root for his fast recovery and won’t take glee in the fact that he may get worse like the scare mongers are doing.
Pretty despicable that people wanna see him die just to help scare others. Many liberals are rooting for this outcome.
Quote:
Mr Raab said the prime minister was receiving standard oxygen treatment and breathing without any assistance, such as mechanical ventilation or non-invasive respiratory support.
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No respiratory support other than standard oxygen.
Until we hear otherwise and until he gets worse, he’s currently not in a life threatening position.
Mark this comment. Johnson will be given Hydroxychloroquine and will recover nicely
Amazing Facts…
In Switzerland, the 2017 Flu strain caused more pneumonia deaths than COVID-19.
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In Switzerland, there was a pronounced wave of influenza at the beginning of 2017.
At that time, there were almost 1500 additional deaths in the over 65-year-old population in the first six weeks of the year.
Normally, around 1300 people die in Switzerland every year as a result of pneumonia, 95% of whom are over 65 years old.
By comparison, a total of 762 deaths with (not caused by) Covid19 are currently reported in Switzerland.
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https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/todesursachen-statistik-woran-die-meisten-schweizerinnen-und-schweizer-sterben
Have a nice day. 🙂
You MUST read this…
Top German Doctor goes AGAINST the World Health Organization ‘guidelines’ and begins examining dead bodies to determine WHY they really died.
Top German Doctor explains the worldwide deception/exaggeration in ‘counting’ COVID death figures…
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Dr. Püschel explained: “In quite a few cases, we have also found that the current corona infection has nothing whatsoever to do with the fatal outcome because other causes of death are present, for example a brain haemorrhage or a heart attack. Corona in itself is a not particularly dangerous viral disease“, says the forensic scientist.
He pleads for statistics based on concrete examination results. “All speculations about individual deaths that have not been expertly examined only fuel anxiety.”
Contrary to the guidelines of the Robert Koch Institute, Hamburg had recently started to differentiate between deaths “with the” and “by the” coronavirus, which led to a decrease in Covid19 deaths.
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My comments: He’s saying there’s a large drop in the COVID ‘death count’ when doctors examine/autopsy dead bodies to determine what the victim really died of —– which is contrary to what the CDC and WHO are advising doctors to do, because they want an inflated death count.
https://www.abendblatt.de/hamburg/article228828787/rechtsmedizin-pueschel-hamburg-corona-virus-infektion-covid-19-coronavirus-krise-patienten-krankenhaeuser-kliniken-infektionsrate-krankheit-pandemie-test-lungenkrankheit-sars-cov-epidemie-sars-cov-2.html
Have a nice day. 🙂
Just in…
From top German Institute…
The latest figures from a special report by the German Robert Koch Institute show that the so-called positive rate (i.e. the number of test positives per number of tests) is increasing much more SLOWLY than the exponential curves shown by the media and was only around 10% at the end of March, a value that is rather typical for corona viruses.
According to the magazine Multipolar, there can therefore be “no question of a dangerously rapid spread of the virus [i.e., no question that it’s NOT spreading at a dangerously high rate]”.
https://multipolar-magazin.de/artikel/coronavirus-regierung-ignoriert-daten
Have a nice day. 🙂
Holy Cow.
Breaking news…
Klaus Püschel, head of forensic medicine in Hamburg, confirms that Covid-19 is being blown way out of proportion:
“This virus influences our lives in a completely excessive way. This is disproportionate to the danger posed by the virus. And the astronomical economic damage now being caused is not commensurate with the danger posed by the virus. I am convinced that the Corona mortality rate will not even show up as a peak in annual mortality.”
In Hamburg, for example, “not a single person who was not previously ill” had died of the virus: “All those we have examined so far had cancer, a chronic lung disease, were heavy smokers or severely obese, suffered from diabetes or had a cardiovascular disease. The virus was the last straw that broke the camel’s back, so to speak. Covid-19 is a fatal disease only in exceptional cases, but in most cases it is a predominantly harmless viral infection.”
https://www.pressreader.com/germany/hamburger-morgenpost/20200403/281487868456736
Have a nice day. 🙂
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Is this true Frank? I know you are a supporter of Allison and wrote a letter of support for a lenient sentence for her. Has no one you’ve spoken to that knew her said anything good about her?
Anonymous
April 6, 2020 at 10:11 am
Given Frank’s fondness for this particular sex slave master, I think it’s safe to assume that none of the people you asked about had anything particularly complimentary or exculpatory to say about Allison Mack, otherwise Frank would be tooting it repeatedly. What’s also interesting is that none of the former roommates or reported close friends, or former consultants interviewed in the various articles about AM are quoted as saying anything particularly positive about her personality or character.
You have to wonder what defect or personality trait Keith saw in people like Nicki Clyne and Allison Mack that made him invite them into his inner circle over someone like Sarah Edmondson who was there before them, higher ranking and a much more successful recruiter. Allison goes to one meeting and immediately jumps on the Bronfman private jet and spends her 2006/07 hiatus in Albany. Six months later, she’s already redirecting her fans’ donated funds towards a NXIVM project. Six months after that during the 2007/2008 writer’s strike, she’s spending her time in Albany and blogging about her huge recognition with her really good friends and openly defending NXIVM on public message forums.
Her defenders can say it was the starvation diet and years of abuse, but Allison’s early actions with the group, her willingness to turn over all her money to Raniere just a couple years after joining and early public defense of him show something was off with her. Whatever it was, one thing Keith seemed to be good at was knowing which people to invite into that inner circle, since those 25 inner circle groupies were willing to engage in criminal activities for him and all but 3, remained loyal to him through it all until the FBI came knocking or in the case of Karen Unterreiner was more evil than brainwashed, so jumped ship in time to save her sorry criminal ass.
THE DEMOCRATS AND JOE BIDEN ARE COLLUDING WITH CHINA TO STEAL THE 2020 ELECTION!
China Floods Facebook with Ads Blaming Trump for Chinese Virus
Chinese state media has been flooding Facebook and Instagram with undisclosed political ads blaming President Donald Trump for the Wuhan coronavirus. Facebook said in a statement that it was an “error” that the ads were not classified as political and is correcting them.
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/04/06/china-floods-facebook-with-ads-blaming-trump-for-chinese-virus/
Holy shit.
The “gold standard” model (University of Washington model, funded by Bill Gates) which has been proven totally WRONG over the last 2 weeks —– has now been ‘updated’ just last night, in a last ditch attempt to salvage some credibility. LOL.
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1247118606539853824
**But even the NEW model is wrong ——- even though it’s basically just an 11th hour attempt to match current hospital and death rates with its own faulty formula.
It’s akin to a school CHEATER being given the answers to a ‘test’ midway thru the examination period, yet he STILL answered some of the questions wrong, LOL.
They know that hospital rates and death rates are much lower than they originally predicted —— so the new ‘model’ is trying to cheat its way into credibility by parroting the current data which is ALREADY KNOWN.
***However, after just 1 day the new model is already WRONG —- even though it’s basically been given the ‘answers’ ahead of time, LOL.
This is the same model that was used to shut down the nation. LOL.
This is like shutting down the world from the advice of Bugs Bunny or Daffy Duck. 🙂
This is like a comedy routine.
There are NO ADULTS in the room.
The inmates have taken over the asylum.
But at least society is now becoming aware of these things. We won’t be repeating this mistake in the fall.
Have a nice day. 🙂
I watch from backstage and with considerable pleasure and amusement, as you fellows go at it. Thank you for eliciting so many laughs. 2020 gentlemen bellowing “ALEXIS” instead of “Stella.” Let’s all have a group google for fucking world peace.
This too shall pass and evaporate, like pissing in the snow.
You help to make being housebound more like living in a comic strip, and there ain’t nuttin’ much funnier than the vacuum-packed burlesque of seeing how you and Anony, your straight man, just carry on stripping. Bah da boom!
This is much akin to seeing a firestick documentary on the National Geographic channel, featuring only baboons competing for Emmys. Keep on twerkin’ and doing the fandango.
By chance, I can still dance the hips don’t lie part of the fandango while balancing the flaming candle atop my head. Vive españa!
Also, while being so vociferous, please stop making occasional sense! Just cut that out, wood ya? Let’s hear it for our interplanetary jumanji rights. I call that sensibility about our rights an elbow nudge worth a snazzy whistle. By gum.
“You know how to whistle, don’t you? You just put your lips together & blow.”
And, if you have the urge, maybe you’ll do a good long riff about the semi-invisible Dr. Faustus. Bring on the toady cauldron full of squirming immunology, plus plenty of handy expletives. Who is ready for Leave it to Dweeber?
Now I gotta go bump and grind with a 33 year old Osterizer and make a mango smoothie, enough for a full house at teatime, so please keep singing Let Me Entertain You. BRB.
My 79 year old neighbor just came by to say that her biggest problem with this whole coronavirus thing is : where are all of the stolen or kidnapped children? I understand what she means. What a dear lady, with her house full of her children, her grandchildren and for now, at least six of their pets. We also discussed Bill Gates and his digitizable desires about “fixing” the human race.
In these days and nights shadowed by so many peoples’ sufferings, bombastic opinionizations are the cacaphony, the momentarily distracting recreational hazards of not knowing how and when to say “I don’t know.” There is so much background noise. Maybe keep watching, openly and quietly enough to perceive, for at least awhile, in silence.
After all, the pink full moon is upon us now. There’s so much to learn, so much to love, so many prayers arising from our hearts. As Gypsy Rose Lee put it, “I’d want your spirit to climb.” Speaking of unusual travel, have you ever had a “near-death” experience? Just wondering.
Oh never mind. You guys keep playing Dragnet. You are no Sylvia Plath. This routine is more like watching the manly Helen Reddy spitting out “hear me roar.” I thank God for all of the small favors.
Breaking news…
It’s finally over in NY.
NY Governor Cuomo finally admit the obvious.
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1247197318887112704
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1247198013916884992
I really feel bad for the libtards like AnonyFaker, Flaccid Paul, Claviger and Heidi Apple cuz they’re gonna blow a gasket when learning that the world in NY isn’t coming to an end very soon, LOL.
Have a nice day. 🙂
Typo: “finally admits” (not ‘admit’) 🙂
Liberals are using kids to further their political agenda.
I now have proof that the libtards are placing different VALUES on children during this epidemic (treating them as though they are expendable commodities) —– by tacitly admitting that ONE particular child is more valuable than 162 other children.
As already reported a few days ago, Governor Ned Lamont attempted to falsely claim that an infant died of COVID when the child was actually suffocated to death accidentally, by a caretaker.
The libtards went NUTS when they heard this news of a baby dying from COVID.
They began shouting from the rooftops that every mother in America needs to be deathly afraid of COVID for their kids.
They were trying to use a single case of FAKE NEWS to make the FALSE STATEMENT that kids are seriously at risk from COVID.
Yet in the midst of everybody screaming about this single infant death from COVID (which was later debunked as false) ——- nobody on the ‘left’ seems to care about the 162 children who have died from the FLU this year in the USA.
https://twitter.com/romalwinn/status/1247175474201145345
How can a single child’s death from COVID (which wasn’t even true) matter more than 162 other living, breathing kids who are now dead from the flu?
Liberals look at these 162 flu deaths and say “oh well, just business as usual” and their day doesn’t skip a beat.
Why? Cuz they didn’t die of the right virus. LOL.
Guys like AnonyFaker don’t even bat an eyelash at these 162 dead kids. He just goes right back to his basement, sitting in his undies and eating Doritos while watching Jim Acosta.
Those 162 dead kids mean NOTHING to liberals. Zero. Nada.
Yet when news of a single child dying from COVID comes out (even when its fake news) the liberals GO APE SHIT and start talking about how every mother needs to be scared for every child in America, LOL.
The hypocrisy is mind boggling but I am here to expose the truth.
The TRUTH is that COVID poses ‘exponentially’ far lesser danger to society’s most valuable demographic, the children, when compared to the flu.
Have a nice day! 🙂
Anonymaker in his undies eating Doritos reminds me of Scooter and his Cheetos dust on his 🐓 thanks Bangkok. Anonymaker you should stand up for yourself and confirm or deny whether you eat Doritos in your underwear in the basement. And can you please start the sentence with “fact check”? Thanks 😊
You can’t make this stuff up — [activist] Reporters Without Masks Grill Trump About Not Wearing a Mask
So what exactly were they testing for and reporting as Covid-19 infections and deaths for the months before these publications were alleging that there is currently a “race” to find a better testing for this particular strain of corona virus?
Did you even read what you sourced? Here’s a quote from one of them:
“COVID-19 tests are new, and assessing their accuracy is challenging.
PCR tests may produce false negatives, failing to identify evidence of SARS-CoV-2.
Sometimes false negatives result from human error or problems with the procedure. Giving the test too early or late, for example, can lead to a false negative.
The accuracy of similar tests for influenza is generally 50–70%”.
LOL, you actually think the phony anonyfaker checks the bullshit he cites??? Like his heroes at CNN he flings his shit at the wall and hopes the sheep just eat it.
If you actually read the articles, you’ll notice that they go back as far as about mid-February – describing the tests already developed.
You’ll find that Wikipedia’s entry about testing also has it quite thoroughly covered:
‘The presence of viruses in samples is confirmed by RT-PCR, which detects the coronavirus’ RNA. This test is specific and is designed to only detect the RNA of the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
…..
One of the early PCR tests was developed at Charité in Berlin in January 2020 using real-time reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction (rRT-PCR), and formed the basis of 250,000 kits for distribution by the World Health Organization (WHO).[9] The United Kingdom had also developed a test by 23 January 2020.[10]
The South Korean company Kogenebiotech developed a clinical grade, PCR-based SARS-CoV-2 detection kit (PowerChek Coronavirus) on 28 January 2020.[11][12] It looks for the “E” gene shared by all beta coronaviruses, and the RdRp gene specific to SARS-CoV-2.[13]’
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_testing
I have to concur with my non-esteemed colleague, AnonyFaker, on this single issue alone. 🙂
The original article (that he’s responding to) was not written by anybody credible. Definitely a conspiracy theorist who wrote that.
However, AnonyFaker is not really proving anything which isn’t ‘obvious’ —– because EVERY news outlet (both liberal and conservative) have been reporting for WEEKS that approximately 80%-90% of everybody tested for COVID in the USA (due to having cold/flu symptoms) is coming back NEGATIVE for the virus.
You can look up that fact using Google, there are about a gazillion results demonstrating it.
Thus, if 80%-90% of people with cold/flu symptoms are testing ‘negative’ for COVID —- that tells us the test is definitely looking for the specific COVID-19 strain and not the general flu strains.
Thus, even without AnonyFaker’s rebuttal I could already tell that the original article was based on a conspiracy theory and not reality.
But kudos to AnonyFaker for writing this article. Truth is truth.
The truth should always be exposed —– even if its being exposed by a flaccid, small dicked, liberal kook who spends his days hoping for the end of civilization (probably because he’s got no family, no kids or no friends to live a meaningful life with).
In fact, Niceguy 9.0 (or maybe 7.0?) already made the point that AnonyFaker likely has no kids because his temperament seems contradictory to that of a father ——– which probably indicates that he’s shooting ‘blanks’ (or) that no chicks wanted to carry his offspring cuz he’s probably not a very likeable guy in real life.
Have a nice day! 🙂
I doubt anonyfaker has any kids. His whole life is spent online. All the long comment bullshit he posts here is probably matched at 20 other comment sites across the world wide web. He may well be one of those paid leftists bots who posts quite a bit of disinfo mixed in with a touch of truth.
The Liberals Want You to Eat Bugs!
Let Them Eat Crickets! EU to Approve Bugs for Human Consumption
The European Union will soon permit the sale of locusts, crickets, grasshoppers, and mealworms as food across the continent.
The European Food Safety Authority is expected to announce the ruling within the next few weeks, granting bugs a “novel food” classification that would allow the mass production of bug-based food items by autumn.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/04/06/eu-set-to-approve-insects-for-human-consumption/
You’d better stay out of Europe, Shadow.
Crickets are actually pretty good. I’d recommend the smaller ones if you you have to or choose to try them.
Chinese Grifters , Swindlers and Con Artists profit from the CRISIS CHINA MADE.
China Says it has Sold Nearly Four Billion Masks Abroad
Beijing (AFP) – China has sold nearly four billion masks to foreign countries since March, officials said Sunday, as they tried to stem widespread fears over the quality of medical exports.
However numerous nations — including the Netherlands, the Philippines, Croatia, Turkey and Spain — have complained about substandard or faulty medical products shipped from China.
Last week, the Dutch government recalled 600,000 masks out of a Chinese shipment of 1.3 million that did not meet quality standards.
https://www.breitbart.com/news/china-says-it-has-sold-nearly-four-billion-masks-abroad/
THE CHINESE COMMUNISTS WANT TO MURDER YOU AND MAKE A PROFIT IN THE PROCESS!
The batches of inferior or defective medical products originating from China may be bought or confiscated by Americans at inflated prices. Then they get what they deserve. Or is it called something else?
Frank, since the new direction of your website now seems to be coronavirus, I’d like to offer my services for writing articles, as I am currently under-employed.
I can supply features explaining how it can be cured with garlic, vitamin C, Ivermectin, head lice pills, colloidal silver, Miracle Mineral Solution, hydroxychloroquine, Ayurvedic yoga, inhaling super-heated steam or gargling with vodka. Amazing that it still exists with all these cures out there! Obviously, this is because it is not a virus at all and is caused by 5G networks, or it is a US bioweapon released in China that got out of hand, or a Chinese bioweapon that got out of hand, or that the truth is being suppressed by the Freemasons, George Soros, Bill Gates, Democrats, or the shape-shifting lizards of the New World Order.
Like your super-well-informed correspondents ShadowState, Bangkok, Ken Gibson et al, I am a world-renowned expert in viral epidemiology and EMF radiation.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Forgot your lil buddy anonyfaker who is about as phony as they come. Sounds as quacky as you.
AM – thanks for doing research on this. I usually tune out when the conspiracy theories and political party playground name-calling becomes rampant. On an important topic, I like having more info on the science vs pseudoscience/sham authority from qualified sources.
So… Any wisdom you found on materials for DIY surgical masks? What looks promising so far in my online research is hydro knit fabric or silver infused. Looks like there may be some question on the safe use of silver infused tho.
Research my ass. All anonyfaker does is link to articles he agrees with and says they are absolute facts. I am sure anonyfaker is also an expert on DIY surgical masks. Get off your lazy ass and look it up yourself. Anybody can play the anonyfaker game.
reading comprehension – note the use of the word research in my post. Go back to the playground until you can communicate like an adult without the 3 year old name calling.
Good to see you back, L. I was hoping the playground bullies didn’t chase you off for good.
Heidi, I’m glad you are still around as well. I was appalled Scooter called you a stupid bitch last week in the comments section. I wonder if he’s caught the Wuhan I haven’t seen him much on here lately. Scott Johnson, are you okay?
Hi Heidi –
Nope, still here – just not reading as much or responding. Not into all the political rah-rah name-calling idiocy or the doomsday conspiracy theories. More interested in keeping my small family safe right now .
Hope you and yours are safe and well.
To everyone,
I’m glad to see peaches, Heidi, and everyone else still here on the Frankreport and you all were driven off by Scotty and Banger.
I was busy helping family & friends for a couple of weeks myself; nothing “heroic” just helping the people I care about.
L, as far as DIY masks, I think standard guidance from one of the expert sources as to pattern and material should be just fine – what matters most is that the material is as effective as possible at capturing particulates; whether it was impregnated with anything is insignificant. The other major factor, as with any mask – and for homemade masks, the biggest problem and downside – is fit. Apparently, the prime epidemiological function of such masks is to help prevent asymptomatic or unidentified carriers from spreading infection, and only secondarily and minorly to protect the wearer from being infected.
My take is that individuals with health compromises and factors that put them at risk of infection and thus require real protective measures should, if possible, use a commercially made surgical mask, at a minimum, unless there is a home-made design actually proven to provide better filtering and, critically, fit. Ideally those really at risk should wear N-95 class respirator/masks if they can’t avoid potential contact situations such as shopping or in-person interactions. In both cases, my research and testing I’ve found indicates that an individual who needs one of those types of masks infrequently could get by with just one, setting it out to dry and naturally decontaminate between wearings, or if they need to go out more oftne, two in rotation, for an almost indefinite period of time until the respirators/masks get clogged or actually start to deteriorate physically – thus not using up medical supplies, and hopefully keeping people out of the hospital to begin with. N-95, R-95 and P-95 masks that people may already have on hand for home or construction projects, even if they have been used, can similarly be put into use so long as they are serviceable.
In one of my interesting previous lives, I was a nuclear, biological and chemical (NBC) defense training officer, including during the first Gulf War when I worked with front-line units and special forces, so I have some relevant background in this, and have been studying up as well. Mine is not, however, expert guidance, though based on my training, experience, and research, I believe it to be fundamentally accurate.
p.s. If anyone wants anything more detailed, I can write it up, though I would prefer this be used as anything more than personal guidance by readers here, and not circulated in any form unless I come up with something written with proper caveats for distribution, in which case I can also provide proper citations to the expert guidance and research up on which this is based.
L mentions silver — I’d defer to her science knowledge as she’s an RPI graduate. I read something about copper being a Covid-19 antidote. Whaddya say L, AM, Fred, all you science afficiados on here? Penny for your thoughts on copper 🙂
Heidi, interesting information on this site. We bought pyjamas from them seven years ago, they are currently being repurposed as masks.
https://www.copperclothing.com
Seems like a difference between copper and silver is that dry copper shows antimicrobial properties but wet copper does not perform as well. In a face mask, I wonder if water vapor in the breath itself would negate the effect, Silver has a long history of usage and doesn’t seem to have the wet vs dry issues – ilovesteelydan”s idea of prepping his maska with colloidal silver is interesting. Think I’ll keep following where the research goes on all of this – even once this outbreak of covid-19 dies down, there are always other bugs out there.
And Heidi – never graduated from RPI; my adventures with Raniere caused an enormous upheaval in my educational history as he did with many other young women. I wouldn’t want to give anyone a false impression of me as a materials science expert. Just researching and trying to make educated guesses based on what testing has been done by the scientific community.
Sorry to spam – last take on Silver/Copper. Some research mentioning long exposure selects out for silver resistant bacteria. Mention was made of that regarding wet copper as well, Don’t know how that will relate to effects on viruses, but I’d hope they put more work into determining that before we create resistant strains like we did with overuse and inappropriate use of antibiotics.
L. Do you mean this research? Spent several months last year checking through this, very interesting..
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11739772
silver resistance genes in IncH incompatibility group plasmids ( Sil genes on some enterobacterial genomes)
2001
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2659795
Silver resistance in Escherichia coli R1 (E. coli) stands to reason as many gut bacteria are e.coli and anaerobic thus symbiotic with our system. decal-oral transmission route through which pathogenic strains of the bacterium cause disease.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12829274
Bacterial silver resistance: molecular biology and uses and misuses of silver compounds.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32117111
heavy metal toxicity in armed conflicts potentiates AMR in A.baumannii by Selecting for Antibiotic and Heavy Metal Co-resistance Mechanisms.
My understanding is the resistance relates to anaerobic bacteria and their ability to envelope in a plasmid. good thing as we dont want to destroy good gut bacteria. This is a good explanation from a source WITH a clear vested interest, so, double rigourous cross-checking please!
https://www.silverhealthinstitute.com/silver-bacteria/
Also, I have had a painless small stye in one of my eyes + slight pinking. Due to arrhythmia, my doctor keeping a weather eye on what he understands could be a covid-19 symptom. Ive used silver sol eyedrops, which haven’t made much impact, rather kept it small. Yesterday I thought Id try a copper sol at 10ppm, Heidi mentioned copper, so I thought Id give it a go, and I have to say it seems to be shrinking the stye. Anecdotal info, of course. NOT science.
Take care, keep strong.
Heidi – and L. – as far as use of things like silver or copper compounds, I think that for consumers they would provide negligible additional benefit, plus be very hard to figure out how to use effectively at all anyway.
It’s the particulate filtration, and fit, of masks that are crucial, and most protective against the wearer getting infencted. Any virus particles (virions) that the mask traps and holds are not an immediate threat, and it may not really matter whether the mask is impregnated with something that kills them, or whether you take off the mask with them still contained on it and either dispose of or decontaminate it.
I think focusing efforts on the basics of avoiding contamination, and good sanitary practices, are much more important.
Yeah – I’d already concluded that I had no way of accurately impregnating the material with an appropriate amount of silver or copper in the correct form. I’m focusing on filtration instead – going to experiment with some hydroknit shop towels.
I also found this vid useful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZBbkn-g-vE
AnonyMaker,
You should ask Frank to publish this comment as an article. Pronto!!!!
If it helps one person it’s worth it.
You’re a good man. Don’t let the sh*heads get too you.
https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-materials-make-diy-face-mask-virus/?rel=1
hope this helps
Thanks – already been there. I have a stash of cotton quilting fabric and am looking for a “filter” layer. HeiQ developed a silver based textile treatment that looks promising aand silver nanoparticles have been used for antibacterial “odor resistant” fabrics, but there is some question about leach out during laundering and the effect on human health and the environment. Hydroknit materials like in shop cloths also look promising. I’m trying to build masks for family/friends with a removeable/replaceable filter layer for easier laundering.
Me – I’m considered high risk so I’m using leftover N95s from home construction projects. Seems like all my sewing projects go elsewhere.
A filter, that’s brilliant, L. Laundering is a problem. We’re having rainstorms, too, that make them extra musky, hard to reuse. $1000 fine if you’re caught unmasked here.
Could try a hair dryer on low for the N95 masks to kickstart the drying process. Maybe put in a paper bag (not plastic – virus can survive longer there) with some activated charcoal or baking soda to get the “musky” out. Good luck out there between this germ wave and earthquakes. Stay safe and well.
L, glad to hear you have some N95s if you’re high risk. I hope you saw my earlier post about
In health care settings they’re putting masks for re-use in paper bags so that they can identify them, but unless there is some evidence-based reason for that particular storage method that isn’t mentioned and that I’m not aware of (and that would have to be counter-intuitive), I think home users are better off just hanging them up to dry.
There have been anecdotes reported that healthcare providers are re-using masks after about 3 days, though the research I found would seem to indicated that a 5 – 7 day wait for natural decontamination is safer, if possible:
CLINICAL EVIDENCE ASSESSMENT
Safety of Extended Use and Reuse of N95 Respirators
https://www.elsevier.com/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/997863/COVID-ECRI-N95-Respirators_2020-03.pdf
* General CDC guidance, I believe recently updated:
Recommended Guidance for Extended Use and Limited Reuse of N95 Filtering Facepiece Respirators in Healthcare Settings
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/hcwcontrols/recommendedguidanceextuse.html
* Technical guide for healthcare professionals:
N95 Reuse Guide
https://www.osfhealthcare.org/media/filer_public/6e/7c/6e7c3b47-5b40-4e32-b028-8b6b9e1bd4db/n95_reuse_guide.pdf
Thanks. I’ve been looking at new CDC guidelines as well. My hair-dryer idea for Heidi is probably NOT the way to go. Just air drying – enclosing in a paper bag with an odor absorbent was to try to eliminate the musky smell.