Evgeni Von Pussy
A commenter said that up to 80% of everybody on Earth will catch Coronavirus this year (before a vaccine is available).
It’s impossible for 80% of any country’s population to get a virus like this before a vaccine is created, since ‘herd immunity’ will begin to develop LONG before the 80% mark is reached, which would greatly slow the spread.
If 80% of everybody is gonna get Kung-Flu — that means it’s gotta happen BEFORE a vaccine is circulated later this year (the first vaccine is already in trial testing and will likely be fast tracked beyond anybody’s expectations).
https://time.com/5807669/coronavirus-vaccine-moderna/
It’ll be released before 2021. Just wait and see.
BTW: This vaccine will also be available for doctors to use on the sickest patients LONG BEFORE it’s cleared for the general pubic (compassionate use exception). The sickest ICU patients can use vaccines that aren’t yet cleared for the general public as long as they make an informed consent. Which means that Kung-Flu ‘deaths’ will be close to zero once the vaccine comes out, even if it’s not yet available for the general public outside of ICU hospital units.
But anyway, getting back to your 80% figure…
Even if we didn’t have containment measures and just went about our daily lives as normal (shaking hands, attending sporting events, etc.) it would still take longer than 9 months to reach 80% infection —– because with every new infection comes ‘immunity’ for that person. Thus, when the immunity figure rises over 50%, the infection rate becomes that much more SLOW and DIFFICULT.
ISRAELI EXPERT explains ‘inaccuracy’ and ‘bias’ built into Kung-Flu’s fatality rate.
“Do you know what’s most absurd?” asked Dr. Dan Yamin. “That in the final analysis Trump was right. Not that the coronavirus is just plain flu – it absolutely isn’t – but as he put it: ‘This is just my hunch – way under 1 percent’ [will die].’”
Yamin heads the Laboratory for Epidemic Modeling and Analysis in Tel Aviv University’s engineering faculty, where he has developed models for predicting the spread of infectious diseases.
In an interview with Israel’s Haaretz newspaper, Yamin agreed with Trump’s assessment earlier this month that the World Health Organization’s 3.4% global fatality rate for coronavirus is too high.
Asked whether the research for mortality rates was biased, Yamin responded that it is “very biased.”
The doctor continued:
“If I can only carry out few tests, I will test those who have the highest chance of becoming ill, and then, when I check the mortality rate among them, I will get very high numbers. But there is one country we can learn from: South Korea. South Korea has been coping with corona for a long time, more than most Western countries, and they lead in the number of tests per capita. Therefore, the official mortality rate there is 0.9 percent. But even in South Korea, not all the infected were tested – most have very mild symptoms.
“The actual number of people who are sick with the virus in South Korea is at least double what’s being reported, so the chance of dying is at least twice as low, standing at about 0.45 percent – very far from the World Health Organization’s [global mortality] figure of 3.4 percent. And that’s already a reason for cautious optimism.”
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I challenge anyone to dispute these basic facts.
Why is everybody so quick to claim that 2+2=9?
The fatality rate is not only biased, but it’s based on counting only a SMALL portion of the infected population who’s actually taken the time to be tested (which usually means testing mostly the sickest people already showing symptoms).
But in many cases, symptoms aren’t present AT ALL (or) are so mild that nobody seeks a test.
Nobody wants to tell the truth here. Basic math doesn’t lie.
You can’t claim the fatality rate is 3.4% if you’re only testing the sickest people.
South Korea’s figures are the most accurate and they agree with the Princess Cruise Ship fatality numbers (the cruise ship fatality was 1% but they had mostly older people on board, which translates to a 0.3% percent fatality rate when adjusted for USA age distribution).
While you are right about herd immunity, vaccines are not effective on people for up to 6 weeks so anyone already infected will not be helped by vaccine
Their models come 100% from Imperial College UK projection that is coming under *heavy* scrutiny from scientific community. IC UK produced the famed doomsday scenario that guaranteed 2MM dead Americans. The man behind the projections is refusing to make his code public
Inaccurate Virus Models Are Panicking Officials Into Ill-Advised Lockdowns
https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/25/inaccurate-virus-models-are-panicking-officials-into-ill-advised-lockdowns/?utm_source=whatfinger
Epidemiologist Neil Ferguson, who created the highly-cited Imperial College London coronavirus model, which has been cited by organizations like The New York Times and has been instrumental in governmental policy decision-making, offered a massive revision to his model on Wednesday.
Ferguson’s model projected 2.2 million dead people in the United States and 500,000 in the U.K. from COVID-19 if no action were taken to slow the virus and blunt its curve.
However, after just one day of ordered lockdowns in the U.K., Ferguson has changed his tune, revealing that far more people likely have the virus than his team figured. Now, the epidemiologist predicts, hospitals will be just fine taking on COVID-19 patients and estimates 20,000 or far fewer people will die from the virus itself or from its agitation of other ailments.
Ferguson thus dropped his prediction from 500,000 dead to 20,000.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/epidemiologist-behind-highly-cited-coronavirus-model-admits-he-was-wrong-drastically-revises-model
Thank You. That makes sense.
The revisions to the worst case scenario – based on continual revision as new and better data becomes available, and a willingness to revise and admit inaccuracies or misjudgments, both hallmarks of real science – still leave it grim, and the best case scenarios of smaller numbers of deaths only apply if current measures to “flatten the curve” are successfully sustained.
As the conservative National Review puts it:
No, a COVID Scientist Didn’t Walk Back His Prediction
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/coronavirus-pandemic-neil-ferguson-did-not-walk-back-covid-19-predictions/
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The original article cited also now includes this:
“UPDATE: Amid widespread reporting on his new death rate estimates — including by White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx, who cited his 20,000 estimate during a press conference Thursday — Ferguson issued a statement on social media Thursday to “clear up confusion” about his revised estimates:
I think it would be helpful if I cleared up some confusion that has emerged in recent days. Some have interpreted my evidence to a UK parliamentary committee as indicating we have substantially revised our assessments of the potential mortality impact of COVID-19. This is not the case. Indeed, if anything, our latest estimates suggest that the virus is slightly more transmissible than we previously thought. Our lethality estimates remain unchanged. My evidence to Parliament referred to the deaths we assess might occur in the UK in the presence of the very intensive social distancing and other public health interventions now in place. Without those controls, our assessment remains that the UK would see the scale of deaths reported in our study (namely, up to approximately 500 thousand [and 2.2 million in the US]).”
Yes, compliance levels were estimated at 75% and in some groups at 50% in Ferguson’s 16/03 report, but actually compliance has been higher, almost total in most cases, if this state of affairs can keep up, we may attain something closer to the revised outcome.
Great synopsis!!!
There are even new reports out that the principal author of the report, taking into account new information such as the accumulation of test day, has revised downward the worst-case estimates – but is still calculating that containment is necessary to keep cases, hospitalizations and fatalities within and endurable range.
So that still doesn’t mean that the lockdowns are ill-advised.
In other news reports, in a church group in Washington state, nearly half tested have positive for COVID-19 and another quarter are showing symptoms, with one death among them already.
At that rate of 50% spread in the population, a figure numerous experts (including the Israeli) have noted is possible, the case fatality rate would have to be below .5% for fewer than a million Americans to die – if the spread is not checked before a vaccine is developed.
“Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine have potentially severe and even deadly side effects if used inappropriately, including heart failure and toxicity. Some Australian media outlets have wrongly reported the drug as a “cure” for the virus even though trials have been either inconclusive or too small to be useful, have only been conducted in test tubes, are not yet complete, or have not even received ethics approval.
Australia’s Therapeutic Goods Administration said it was concerned about shortages of the drug for people who need it following increased off-label prescribing as a result of the Covid-19 reports. As well as heart attacks the drug can lead to irreversible eye damage and severe depletion of blood sugar potentially leading to coma, the TGA warned.
“New South Wales Health said it was aware of people self-medicating to treat or prevent Covid-19 and issued a statement warning of the dangers.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/australian-doctors-warned-off-after-prescribing-potentially-deadly-covid-19-trial-drug-to-themselves
Known Side effects of Cloroquine
Abdominal pain; agranulocytosis; alopecia; anxiety; atrioventricular block; bone marrow disorders; confusion; corneal deposits; depression; diarrhoea; eye disorders; gastrointestinal disorder; headache; hearing impairment; hypoglycaemia; hypotension; insomnia; interstitial lung disease; movement disorders; myopathy; nausea; neuromyopathy; neutropenia; personality change; photosensitivity reaction; psychotic disorder; QT interval prolongation; seizure; severe cutaneous adverse reactions (SCARs); skin reactions; thrombocytopenia; tinnitus; tongue protrusion; vision disorders; vomiting
https://bnf.nice.org.uk/drug/chloroquine.html#Search?q=
Thank you, Paul.
The way it was explained to me in plain, dummy English by a trusted source is that Chloroquine destroys T-cells.
It interferes with, SUPPRESSES, halts the immune response — fucks up T-cells by altering their chromosomal composition — something that is very useful when the problem is that the immune system is overproducing T-cells, or working so efficiently to kill the virus that it attacks the host’s healthy tissue and organs without discrimination as well.
It’s good for disorders like Lupus for that reason. When your own T-cells have gone wild, turned on you and need to be diminished, disabled.
It’s only natural to want to do SOMETHING proactive to protect and prepare yourself (now that there’s no toilet paper left in sight) and it’s good to see this show of faith in our elected (or not) leaders but, obviously, the hopeful message is being misconstrued, misunderstood and misused as a political weapon — which is just as despicable as incidental “misinformation.”
My immunologist friend also tells me that SUGAR — and many sugar substitutes — is the single worst immune system destroyer known to man and there’s no secret about that.
It even beats out fish tank cleaner and 5G technology as a mass immunity suppressant killer (so far) but, personally, I’d rather die than lose my right to have a cupcake whenever I please.
If I were Trump or Cuomo’s speechwriter — and I do have some experience in that regard as Frank knows — doesn’t make me a shill for crying out loud — I’d have them talking about proactive measures we can take to bolster immunity through harmless, natural substances.
Or is there some threat to the Elderberry supply in this country?
And I’d provide plain-spoken English translators for science and medical authorities…and the politicians who deign to speak for them.
Where’s OPRA when you need her?
You also can’t claim that we’ll do as well as South Korea in any respect in the future, since we haven’t in the past. They have a national healthcare system with many more beds per person, which helped them ride out the worst so far of their pandemic without aggravating the fatality rate, and they also got the jump that we missed, having almost from the very beginning implemented a higher rate of testing as a percentage of the population than the US has yet to attain. Plus they instituted widespread mask-wearing early on, which was discouraged here due to a shortage of supplies and failure to ramp up production that has never been addressed, and that we may not catch up to until it’s virtually over.
The Princess Cruise Ship case also doesn’t exactly compare, because seriously ill patients were taken off and given the best treatment in Japan’s well-resourced national healthcare system, so the outcomes of that are not necessarily predictive of what is going to happen when coronavirus sweeps through our stressed and fragmented healthcare system – we already see fights over things like access to scarce ventilators, for instance.
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First, according to actual epidemiologists COVID-19 could reach up to 60% – as a novel virus there’s no residual immunity as with typical flus that are similar to one another.
Coronavirus ‘could infect 60% of global population if unchecked’
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/11/coronavirus-expert-warns-infection-could-reach-60-of-worlds-population
The 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic is estimated to have reached about a third of the global population – and killed 2.8% of that total (or 10% of cases): https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.html
A third of the US population is about 110 million, and 60% is close to 200 million. The 2009-10 H1N1 “swine flu” pandemic is estimated to have infected over 60 million (about 20% of the the population then) in the US – but also to have been limited in spread in part due to residual immunity from 1918 H1N1 (“Spanish flu”), 1957 H2N2 (“Asian flu”), 1968 H3N2, and other H types.
And a fact-check shows that even the Israeli expert you cite as an optimist, concedes an in-between “maximum infection rate of 50 percent.” In the US, that would be close to 170 million people.
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Then, at your preferred source’s case infection rate of 50% – which you concede could be reached relatively quickly, before new drugs are developed – and his optimistic .45% death rate, that would be 765,000 deaths, exceeding the US death toll from the infamous 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic by 13%.
And if the hospitalization rate in that case were South Korea’s reported 5%, that’s 8.5 million people needing hospitalization – far outstripping capacity, which will in turn increase the death rate as people who could otherwise have been saved can’t get care. Even a 1% rate, or 1.7 million cases needing hospital care over say 6 months, is probably beyond the capacity of our system.
Also, the 1918 pandemic was as bad as it was, in part because there was a second wave of a mutated strain that was far more deadly, particularly among young people. Which is a reminder that there are things that could shift those carefully-crafted optimistic calculations far into the range of pessimistic outcomes. We just don’t know, and it’s irresponsible not to prepare for a range of possibilities.
This much is true:
‘We just don’t know, and it’s irresponsible not to prepare for a range of possibilities.’
Thank you for making that point.
And one of the possibilities is that anonyfaker is wrong
Of course.
AM — the Spanish Flu is an entirely different beast and poor example given that THAT particular virus killed by OVERSTIMULATING healthy immune system responses.
Spanish Flu wiped out young, super healthy soldiers in the war of 1918 bc it caused them to overproduce T-cells that killed not only viral cells but its host’s healthy cells too.
Covid-19, as I understand it, does the opposite. It does not stimulate the production of T-cells and attacks hosts who don’t have enough of them or rather whose worn, compromised immune systems have trouble producing enough of them to kill the virus. Agreed?
So Covid-19 kills when there’s not enough Ammo to defeat or outlast the enemy — not when there’s so much Ammo chaoticly flying around everything gets shot up — to use the unfortunate, most prevalent analogy in this germ war — which was the case with the Spanish war germs.
There’s got to be a way to protect the elderly, disabled, diseased people with already weakened immune systems without destroying the rest of us — health-wise, economically or otherwise.
I hate to admit it but, for once, I agree with Trump on cautiously getting back to work and business as usual as much as possible.
As FDR famously said, “There’s nothing to fear but fear itself” — if you’re a relatively healthy, normal T-cell producer who can deal with the, albeit, enormous discomfort over a long period of time WHEN you come down with Covid-19.
Besides, isolation doesn’t appear to be stopping the spread of anything but fear.
My personal biggest fear is getting shot for snorting in public when my allergy to bullshit starts acting up.
**One of the vaccines being developed can be given directly to people who are already infected, such as sick people in ICU units, since it skips the patient’s ‘immune system’ and directly injects the antibodies to the patient.
This is the vaccine that I was referring to when I previous said that it’ll be available to ICU patients long before it’s available to the general public (for compassionate use exceptions).
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“What my company is doing is adapting antibodies to recognize and neutralize the novel coronavirus. So this would … [be] sort of skipping what a vaccine does,” Glanville said. “Instead of giving you a vaccine and waiting for it to produce an immune response, we just give you those antibodies right away. And so within about 20 minutes, that patient has the ability to neutralize the virus.”
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https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-jacob-glanville-antibody-neutralize-coronavirus
There are others too. Many vaccines are coming very soon.
Have a nice day. 🙂 🙂
I happily agree, Pussy! What’s the name of the vaccine you cite that bypasses the immune system and injects T-cells directly into patients? That sounds like a winner.
Maybe we can set-up healthy T-cell donation banks? Or sell T-cells on E-Bay. Lol.
*Israeli Coronavirus Vaccine is being fast-tracked to be available to the PUBLIC in just 90 days (summer 2020).
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Quote:
Israeli scientists are on the cusp of developing the first vaccine against the novel coronavirus, according to Science and Technology Minister Ofir Akunis. If all goes as planned, the vaccine could be ready within a few weeks and available in 90 days, according to a release.
Akunis said he has instructed his ministry’s director-general to fast-track all approval processes with the goal of bringing the human vaccine to market as quickly as possible.
“Given the urgent global need for a human coronavirus vaccine, we are doing everything we can to accelerate development,” MIGAL CEO David Zigdon said. The vaccine could “achieve safety approval in 90 days,” he said.
It will be an oral vaccine, making it particularly accessible to the general public, Zigdon said.
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https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/Israeli-scientists-In-three-weeks-we-will-have-coronavirus-vaccine-619101
As I said earlier, there WILL be vaccines available during 2020 which are fast-tracked by various countries.
The usual process of taking 2 years to slowly test vaccines for ‘efficacy’ isn’t gonna happen here.
*The only testing that NEEDS to be done is ‘safety testing’ to make sure it can’t cause any harm to people.
Safety testing only takes 90 days.
The ‘efficacy’ testing (to see how effective it is) can take another 18 months cuz it’s a slow process — but the Israelis are gonna bypass that process and make it available FAST (after it’s tested for ‘safety’ only).
They’ll finish the vaccine by the first week of April —- and then it takes another 90 days for safety testing. After that it’ll depend on the Israeli government’s ability to fast-track it, but their government minister (Ofir Akunis) sounds like he’s ready to release it by summer 2020.
The US (and other countries) will likely have huge pressure to do the same —— since the pressure will be HUGE if other countries are already doing it.
Can you imagine a country saying “nope, we’re gonna wait another 2 years before releasing the vaccine” —- when other countries begin vaccinating their citizens by late summer 2020?
Again, once the ‘safety’ testing is done then we know it can’t cause any harm to people.
The media will freak out cuz they want this virus to last for years. The media can’t destroy Trump if a vaccine begins helping people too quickly. Very sad.
Based on what’s being reported, it seems likely that a vaccine is coming quite fast, folks.
There’s no guaranteed time frames of course, but it sounds like a vaccine may be available by late summer 2020.
I just don’t think we’re gonna be waiting another 18 months even though that’s the usual time frame.
Have a nice day. 🙂
Even without a vaccine, there is anecdotal evidence that a common drug used to treat Malaria can also treat the Chinese virus.
A family friend who is a doctor who emigrated from India visited his homeland and came down with Malaria.
He was treated with anti-Malarial drugs and recovered completely.
Stop the Weeping Wailing and Gnashing of teeth.
Let’s look at the most promising drug: Hydroxychloroquine
Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ), sold under the brand name Plaquenil among others, is a medication used for the prevention and treatment of certain types of malaria
Other uses include treatment of rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, and porphyria cutanea tarda.
It is also being used as an experimental treatment for coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).[4]
Hydroxychloroquine was approved for medical use in the United States in 1955
It is on the World Health Organization’s List of Essential Medicines, the safest and most effective medicines needed in a health system.
In the United States, the wholesale cost of a month of treatment is about US$25 as of 2020
In 2017, it was the 128th most prescribed medication in the United States with more than five million prescriptions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxychloroquine
So why all the panic peddling?
Why all the fear-mongering?
Why use an anecdote of one person, as if it proves some general point? That’s the worst of illogic, and fallacy – just the sort of thing that NXIVM’s Raniere resorted to, like in his videos with Allison Mack.
Any one drug may be useful as part of the fight eventually, but it’s not going to save us from dealing with the difficult realities of the situation as it is, and as it is going to be in the weeks and months ahead.
And, typically, another small study just out, reaches a different conclusion about its efficacy and safety:
India bans export of malaria drug Trump touted as coronavirus treatment [to protect ]
“But there is no conclusive scientific evidence that hydroxychloroquine can treat the infection from the novel pathogen. Indeed, a small study published in the Journal of Zhejiang University in China showed that patients who got the medicine didn’t fight off the new coronavirus more often than those who did not get the medicine.
Top scientists, including White House coronavirus task force member Anthony Fauci, have called reports that hydroxychloroquine might work anecdotal, and said they need further study before the pill’s use is encouraged.”
https://fortune.com/2020/03/25/coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-trump-india-export/
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Chloroquine for COVID-19: Cutting Through the Hype
‘Whatever the mechanism, Seidah says, it’s likely a combination of drugs of some kind that will, ultimately, be needed to treat COVID-19.
“Chloroquine alone will not solve the problem,” he says.
Rossman says he would expect chloroquine to inhibit SARS-CoV-2 in the lab, based on what is known about its ability to raise endosomic pH. “But there’s often a huge gap between how it works in the lab cells and how it works in the body,” he says.
The drug is potentially dangerous when used at high doses or for prolonged periods. It can cause permanent blindness and even death. Rossman and Seidah agree that larger clinical trials are a must before chloroquine is considered safe and effective as a treatment for COVID-19. ‘
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/is-hype-over-chloroquine-as-a-potential-covid-19-therapy-justified–67301
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See also:
Covid-19: a puzzle with many missing pieces
https://www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m627.full
We might get lucky, but vaccines for viruses are notoriously difficult to make effective.
Scott is 100% correct!!!
Thank you, Scott!!!
Missed you, buddy!!!
You’re the one who hasn’t been posting comments. I assume you were working your way up your Scientology-like levels, now 9.0! LOL
Also, why do you continue to dodge coming on my show and asking your 11 questions that you demanded I answer, Bangkok? Plus the others you asked me. LOL
We all know the answer, I would confirm that you are the fool that I already know you are. LOL
What you will see in the US over the next 14 days is state after state going into lockdown.
“Reopening the economy” is what you won’t see,” because these states going into lockdown, and the Coronavirus spreading like wildfire throughout the US will make it impossible.
Everything that could have been done to prevent this happening hasn’t been done.
And now, it’s too late.
The Sky is Falling!
The Sky is Falling!
I’ve had the flu a few times in my life.
What did I do?
I stayed at home and sweated it out.
I did not blame the then President.
I did not expect the whole world to stop because I was sick.
The Coronavirus is a completely different thing.
As you will soon realise.
Un no, buddy, it is not. You are in for a rude awakening.
However annoying Paul and Anonymaker seem to both sensible people and cretins on this site,
they are both making nominal sense – I dont like the tone of either, but I can see that.
Try not to let being in a thrall to a personality cult, which has become the leitmotif of this site, affect your judgement.
Actually no. They both are pushing an agenda. Read their comments on many things. There is a common thread. They know no more than you about this topic.Anyone can go online and pick the narrative they want to push.
Dear Shadow,
Is Allison Mack responsible for the Coronavirus?
How is the library these days?
Holy shit.
Taiwan proves that WHO ignored COVID warnings in December.
…and these are the so-called ‘infallible experts’ that most libtards believe are incapable of mistakes? LOL.
https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/03/23/taiwan-world-health-organization-mostly-ignored-coronavirus-warnings-in-december/
Have a nice day. 🙂
What the US needs is cross-party cooperation, but unfortunately, the nature of US politics makes that almost impossible. Most likely the usual sniping and vilification will continue, much to detriment of the population. That is what people in the US consider to be ‘normal’ after all.
I have really changed my mind about the greatness of the USA after a few years on this site. I used to hold it in such high esteem. Thanks to FR i have a more realistic view now.
Cross politics??? Get lost. Did you see the shit your fucking fellow democraps tried to load the emergency bill with. Really sparky you are troll
“You Can’t Claim Coronavirus Fatality Rate Is 3.4%, If You’re Only Testing the Sickest People.”- Mr. Pussy
No kidding. I think we all graduated from high school. The mortality rate will no doubt be lower than 3.4%. Even President Trump’s estimate of 1% is most likely too high.
However……..
Hospitals still have the same workload as before the virus. Hospitals have a finite number of beds and staff. Hospitals only have a few extra beds for surges or spikes in the numbers of parents.
The slightest increase in patients can overwhelm the system. Heart attacks, strokes, pregnancies, car accidents, and cancerous tumors, etc. are still happening during this crisis.
Example:
Sometimes hospitals are overwhelmed during a bad FLU year. The hospitals then have to call around for open beds at other hospitals; and the patient is transferred to another hospital.
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If things get too bad, the medical rules of “triage” will be invoked.
That’s when only the most likely patients to survive are treated and the rest of the patients simply die.
What don’t you understand?
Triage now standard in the UK.
I wanted to APOLOGIZE for humiliating my 2 colleagues, Missouri Joe and AnonyFaker.
Perhaps I had no right to prove these 2 doomsday-mongers wrong?
Perhaps these 2 guys, with their tin foil hats donned, are more deserving of compassion and the best mental treatment available?
But the truth is… I’ve never seen 2 men who spend so much time copying and pasting the same gibberish taken from the same libtard news sites, which cater to the lefty loon crowds.
These 2 guys spend ALL DAY LONG reading the wackiest lefty/loon theories —- suggesting that COVID is worse than the black plague or the spanish flu of 1918. LOL.
These 2 guys probably have no family members to make their lives meaningful or no kids/grandkids to play with all day.
Instead, they just spend their days glued to the Huffington Post or MSDNC or the Clinton News Network, etc.
…and these are 2 grown men, likely in their 70’s or older.
They pretend as though they are caring for society’s best interests, but if you read their posts carefully, you’ll see that they’re resistant and/or hostile towards BASIC FACTS and BASIC MATHEMATICS.
If you argue that 2+2=4 using real data —– they’ll come back with a post that basically says 2+2=9, simply because the CDC or WHO says so. 🙂
They have lost the ability to think independently for themselves.
It’s sad, but it’s also part of the Trump Derangement Syndrome. Logic flies out the window. Group-think overtakes them.
They remind me of the Trump-haters who claim he should have acted sooner ——- but they quickly forget that every liberal news outlet (and even Joe Biden himself) claimed that Trump was WRONG to ban all flights from China back in January. LOL.
WTF?
They also remind me of the morons claiming that Hillary would not have allowed this virus to spread in the USA, lol.
…But they quickly forget that when Hillary was Secretary of State she couldn’t even protect her own employees from being massacred in her Benghazi office —– due to LACK OF SECURITY that she refused to provide. lol.
If Hillary can’t even give a single office (in a dangerous city) more security when they requested it, how could she manage a global crisis? 🙂
AnonyFaker and Missouri Joe both LOVE Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden.
They both hate Trump.
They both wear tin foil hats and likely have no family to love them. Very, very sad.
I’m sorry to humiliate these 2 libtard morons using FACTS and BASIC MATH, but hey, somebody’s gotta be the ADULT in the room.
Have a nice day. 🙂
When AIDS first came along, the soothsayers predicted that everyone would get AIDS and die of it.
They ignored the fact that AIDS fist struck vulnerable communities like promiscuous gay males and IV drug users.
If you did not engage in risky behavior, you were OK.
This China virus is very similar in its spread.
The most vulnerable communities get hit first.
Then the disease burns out.
People with healthy immune systems and organs generally don’t die.
Wash your hands frequently
Avoid eating exotic meats.
Don’t go on cruise ships.
Stay our of nursing homes.
Don’t smoke.
Most of all, don’t panic.
The Democratic politicians overplayed their hand by using the disease to push a radical Marxist political agenda.
Shadowatate,
The predictions and algorithms didn’t take two important variables into consideration
1. “From a purely statistical standpoint, anal sex is considered the highest risk activity with an almost 18-fold greater risk of infection compared to vaginal sex.”
2. “Conversely, there are some men who are far more likely to get HIV than others. Studies have shown, for example, that uncircumcised men are more than twice as likely to get HIV after vaginal sex than circumcised men.
We know, for example, that an uncircumcised penis can facilitate infection due to the bacteria-rich environment beneath the foreskin. In response, the body will produce a type of dendritic cell (called Langerhans cells) to help control the bacteria.8
When a man has unprotected sex with an HIV-positive woman, Langerhans cells can “grab and drag” the virus and present it to CD4 T-cells, inadvertently facilitating HIV infection.
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Important Variables defined:
Circumcision and sodomy are 2 incredible important variables.
Examples:
1. Sodomy
As of 2018 an estimated 38,000 new HIV infections still occur in the United States each year. These infections can be prevented.
2. Circumcision
Sub-Saharan Africa
There is compelling evidence that male circumcision reduces the risk of heterosexually acquired HIV infection in men by approximately 60%. -WHO
Circumcision in Africa and prevention of STI
The HIV prevalence rate in sub-Saharan African countries with a high (>80%) prevalence of male circumcision was reported as 2.98%±0.002% compared to 16.48%±0.002% in countries with a low (<20%) prevalence of male circumcision, P<0.001.
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Shadow the predictions were off because the assumptions/variables were wrong.
Additionally widespread Aids testing and educating people about safe sex has helped too.
Unfortunately, most of Sub Sahara Africa’s population is largely uncircumcised and uneducated regarding safe sex practices.
“The vast majority of people living with HIV are located in low- and middle- income countries, with an estimated 68% living in sub-Saharan Africa. Among this group 20.6 million are living in East and Southern Africa which saw 800,000 new HIV infections in 2018.”- WHO
The AIDS rates for 13-19 year olds in Africa is extremely high.
So, my dear Shadow the predictions are still correct at least for for Africa.
Bangkok/Pablo/Mr. Pussy,
Where the hell is my insult? What, you are no longer insulting me? It’s insulting, you did not take the time too insult me.
Hillary, Bernie and Trump deserve each-other. I would love too see them in a “geriatric” porn movie with Joe Biden narrating.
Speaking of sexuality…Have you moved on from Lauren Salzman because of the height issue?
All of your assumptions and stats regarding the Coronavirus[Chinese FLU] are wrong.
I will address this subject at a later. Tell your mom I said hi.
I bid you good night.
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Shadow,
You are such a card!!!
LMAO
This has been doing the rounds and makes perfect sense to me seeing what is happening (I don’t believe the official figures btw) we are a remote region yet local social media is telling us this is much bigger than it is being reported I hope it helps and stay safe everyone…
“Why do we need to shut places where people group? Remember this: VIRAL LOAD There will be a lot about this. Why is it important? With this virus, the amount of virus in your blood at first infection directly relates to the severity of the illness you will suffer.
This isn’t unusual – HIV management is all about reducing viral load to keep people alive longer. BUT it’s very important in COVID-19. So if you are in, say, a pub or religious building or entertainment venue with 200 people and a large number don’t have symptoms but are shedding, you are breathing in lots of droplets per minute and absorbing a high load of the virus. In a crowded space (sic). They become ill over the next 48 hours (sic).
You then three days later wonder why you can’t breathe and end up in hospital. You’d decided, because you were young and healthy, it wasn’t going to be a problem. Wrong. Fortunately but unfortunately because the elderly are isolating quite well, the initial UK data suggests that all age groups above 20 are almost equally represented in ITUs in England. Most of the cases are in London but the wave is moving outwards.
This means that being under 60 and fit and well doesn’t seem to be as protective as we thought. Why? Viral load. This may be skewed simply by the fact that too many Londoners didn’t do as asked and congregated in large groups in confined spaces and got a large initial viral load. They then went home and infected their wider families. Which is why, as London is overwhelmed, we need to shut everything down to save the rest of the UK.
We are a week at most behind London. Our sympathies go out to the families affected in London and the critical care teams battling right now to save as many as they can.
If I sit with one person and catch this virus, I get a small viral load. My immune system will start to fight it and by the time the virus starts replicating, I’m ready to kill it. No medicines will help this process meaningfully hence there is no “cure” for this virus. All we can do is support you with a ventilator and hope your immune system can catch up fast enough. If I sit in the same room with six people, all shedding I get six times the initial dose. The rise in viral load is faster than my immune system can cope with and it is overrun. I then become critically ill and need me (or someone of my specialty) to fix it instead of just being at home and being ok in the end.
THIS BIT IS IMPORTANT: If you are a large family group, remember that by being ill and in the same room, you will make each other ill or “more ill”. If you get sick, isolate just yourself to one room and stay there. Don’t all sit in one room coughing. You will increase the viral load for all of you, reducing your survival rate. A family of six people may produce double the droplets of a family of three in the same space. Maths is important. If one of you is symptomatic, assume you are all shedding and make sure you keep some space. Parents are getting it from their kids because no one is going to stop comforting their child (nor should they) so the parent gets a big hit as well as the child. I don’t think that can be helped.
REMEMBER: THINK ABOUT VIRAL LOAD”
Thank you for this information.
Trump is a moron. To the extent that he is right about anything it is a tune to a broken clock being right twice a day.
You Liberal Cry Babies still can’t get over the fact that Trump won in 2016.
Yea some moron. The man is doing n incredible job, especially considering all the corrupt bastards that have worked against him. Right man for the right time. Meanwhile morons like yourself spin your wheels.
Click here to see the yahoo news attempt to spin this against Trump and the overwhelming response:
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/man-dies-ingesting-chloroquine-prevent-coronavirus-banner-health-023505139.html?bcmt=1&guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9sb2dpbi55YWhvby5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALjrnsMRLpf-_lpcr-x6yvqHw2UKJW5GygRgeAv9eDzGZNxIhi3rwIxXKdAnRNb0OlIyGnoVfIxGhkUrYbZtIX5wpTFHmj3u94798GX7jjYWD9Y5CyKxbtHBGnfVWDT7_XSaC7ibJeUaPJelC9nB3APkFLmldnSdPAKLKEWvoUoR
https://freebeacon.com/media/chinese-propaganda-video-cites-cnn-democratic-politicians-to-push-regime-narrative/?utm_source=63red.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=63red
Chinese Propaganda Video Cites CNN, Democratic Politicians to Push Regime Narrative
Regime outlet cites CNN, NBC, Hillary Clinton to deny Chinese responsibility for outbreak
A video posted Monday by the Global Times, a tabloid run by the Communist Party of China, uses footage of numerous American media outlets and Democratic politicians to portray criticism of China’s handling of the coronavirus as racist. In addition to citing CNN’s Chris Cuomo and NBC’s Richard Engel, the video highlights tweets from two-time failed Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and New York City mayor Bill de Blasio parroting regime talking points.”
Somebody spent some millions on setting up
this year’s star vaccines
it was going as planned
with big sales forecast.
Billions to be made.
Then somebody discovered that an existing cure
was already proven and approved
that was available for pennies per tablet.
So somebody unleashed the shills
Even that somebody was only mildly optimistic in his own study. They even communicated that the group was hand-picked and the study does not fulfill the requirements of a good paper. The sample group was small and it was not double-blind.
So stop shilling for Peach and let the people, who are actually competent do their job. We do not need snake oil or false hopes.
As was said, the shills are unleashed. Back under your rock
Yeah, Dullard, get back under your rock and stop shilling for the mentally retarded Moron in Chief
Obammy left 3 years ago. Time to wake up and stick you shilling where the sun does,t shine. Get back under the rock willard
You are the shill.
They have a new story of a 60 year old couple who took… get this… FISH TANK CLEANER! Chloroquine phosphate, they were not even sick just scared. The man died, woman hospitalized. She going insane “DON’T TRUST TRUMP” basically… The media now freaking out blaming Trump and making it sound like the medicine will kill people and their sheep are lapping it up like good little dogs.
Here’s a bunch of nuts who believe they are immune.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8142357/Religious-group-flout-social-distancing-rules-claiming-God-immune-coronavirus.html
Pelosi’s Coronavirus Plan Gives $300M to Foreign Refugees
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/23/pelosi-coronavirus-plan-300m-taxpayer-foreign-refugees/
AND NOTHING FOR AMERICANS
(Its time to strictly self-isolate now, Don’t wait for your government to tell you to do this)
“The United States could become the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak after a “very large acceleration” in the number of cases, a spokesperson for the World Health Organisation (WHO) has said.
Over the last 24 hours, 85 per cent of new cases were in Europe and the United States, Margaret Harris told reporters. Of those, 40 per cent were from the US.
Asked whether the US could become the new epicentre, Ms Harris told reporters: “We are now seeing a very large acceleration in cases in the US. So it does have that potential.”
“They [the US] have a very large outbreak and an outbreak that is increasing in intensity,” she added.”
Information predicting this pattern has been available since 16/03/20. I have made the link available a number of times. Today i think it has been withheld. Maybe this will be too. I dont understand how the rampant personality cult on this site can be more important than information put out, with no vested interest except, to save lives. I’ll try agin.
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf
I am in the loop, so have nothing to offer that you will find agreeable.
All I have is the most up to date information on the state of the pandemic.
That was forwarded to me the day it was published. I subsequently forwarded it to the other health professionals I work with.
This is not about you, your thin skin or your fragile ego. Stay strong and take care.
In a post yesterday Paul claimed to be a doctor. Giving him the benefit of the doubt
Professionals e.g. Paul almost always suffer from tunnel vision. They tend to be simply unaware of the broader consequences of their acts. What we’re seeing now is the infamous doctors’ god complex run amok. This is the medical establishment’s fifteen minutes, and it wants no one getting in the way. Decision makers must put it back into its proper place as adviser only before it destroys everything outside its narrow-minded professional world.
“The United States could become the new centre of the global coronavirus pandemic, according to the World Health Organization, which said case numbers were rising quickly there even as Donald Trump talked of re-opening the country for business.”
“We are now seeing a very large acceleration in cases in the US. So it does have that potential [to become the centre of the pandemic],” the WHO spokeswoman Margaret Harris said.
– The Guardian
WHO is an arm of the Chines Communist Government.
Advice from bureaucrats is seldom innovative or creative . It tends to be ” this is the way we have always done it “. Some of the best new ideas come from those who are outside the loop
Besides the 3 overdoses already reported in Nigeria, the amateurish idiocy has now claimed a life in this country. This is the problem with tossing around half-baked ideas for amusement, some people act on them – or misinterpret them with grave consequences:
Arizona man dies after taking chloroquine for coronavirus
https://news.trust.org/item/20200323225613-cmq3v
That could even be a (now former) Frank Report reader or Shadow Breitbart buddy.
AnonyMaker:
Nothing would please you more than seeing millions of Americans die from a disease created in China.
Shadow,
WTF are you talking about?
Fake News Hacks Claim Man Died After Ingesting Chloroquine ‘Because of Trump’ – Leaves Out the Fact He Actually Drank Koi Pond Cleaner
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/fake-news-hacks-claim-man-died-after-ingesting-chloroquine-because-of-trump-leaves-out-the-fact-he-actually-drank-fish-tank-cleaner/
The problem is, throwing theories around irresponsibly, without talking about the nuances and acknowledging the downsides and the need for the involvement of professionals, runs the risk of some people taking it the wrong way – and now we see that played out, at the cost of human life:
A Forbes article makes clear exactly why they did what they did:
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Man Dead From Taking Chloroquine Product After Trump Touts Drug For Coronavirus
‘When President Trump incorrectly announced that the FDA had fast-tracked approval of the drugs chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine for treatment of COVID-19, he added, “The nice part is, it’s been around for a long time, so we know that if it—if things don’t go as planned, it’s not going to kill anybody.”
….
The woman, age 61, and her husband, 68, were healthy and had no underlying conditions, but they were worried about catching the virus. She had recognized the name “chloroquine” when she heard Trump say it because she had used it to treat her Koi fish.’
‘”We saw Trump on TV — every channel — and all of his buddies and that this was safe,” the woman, who is in critical care after taking the drug with her husband, told NBC News’ Vaughn Hillyard. “Trump kept saying it was basically pretty much a cure.”‘
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2020/03/23/man-dead-from-taking-chloroquine-after-trump-touts-drug-for-coronavirus/#6817b43f72e9
That could even be a (now former) Frank Report reader or Shadow Breitbart buddy.
Highly likely. If a regular user, for lupus or whatever, they would be fully aware of dosage parameters. Anyone NOT credulous, wouldn’t drink koolaid simply because they were attracted to the person advising them.
I almost dont feel sorry for these kinds of idiots….considering the package of aquarium parasite killer must clearly state it is not for human consumption.
But this shows the dangers of posting rumours about miracle cures- there are always a few people stupid enough to try a cure that is deadlier than the disease.
Word.
Probably Libtards, it’s called a Darwinian Event. Survival of the fittest, death to the idiots. LOL
Scott, since these 2 fish medicine drinkers were listening to Trump, I think they must have been Republicans. You do realize that liberals and Democrats turn off the TV when they hear Trump’s voice, right?
If you’re self-isolating at home, Netflix has a new documentary about Hillary Clinton….thought you might be interested.😆
Scott,
How are you still alive then? Survival of the fittest? Wouldn’t that mean you should be like a dinosaur?
…..Extinct.
Shadow is still posting, and he lives in Chicago, not AZ, so I think he’s still safe.
Flowers:
Not only am I safe but I went out grocery shopping today.
AnonyMaker the Shameless Fear Monger can suck it.
Just don’t drink the fish medicine, Shadow.
How’s the grocery situation in Chicago? Shelves are pretty bare here.
That is something you goofy liberals do and then blame PRESIDENT Trump
Shadow,
My sister’s friend’s parents from Hartford Connecticut caught the Coronavirus. The mother is in intensive care. The father died this past weekend. The father is now a statistic.
I’m not making this up or joking around.
In addition, some of the Biogen employees who became infected with the Coronavirus live in my town.
I watched a man who works as an EMT [in uniform] in my town’s CVS coughing and sweating profusely picking up a prescription at the CVS pharmacy, screaming for people to stay back at least 20ft. The EMT was wearing 3 masks and acting irrationally, probably because he had a fever over 100 degrees.
Coronavirus is real. It’s not fake news and it will in a short time overwhelm the American healthcare system.
I have been giving the extra materials to friends and family and neighbors.
This virus is very real.
I think you are lying
Anonymous,
I am not being disingenuous…
…..Unlike other commenters on this website, I have never indulged in fanciful storytelling or puffery.
I am an average American Republican white guy. Living a humdrum life in suburbia.
I’m not a hero or a victim. I’m simply sharing information in the hopes the rest of you will start taking the Coronavirus seriously and take prophylactic measures.
I want to help you.
At the end of the day, I am a nice guy.
If I’m wrong, I look forward to you dumping a ton of shit on me and ridiculing me endlessly.
Take care, my skeptical friend.
Shadow,
In your state, 1,247 people have Coronavirus.
AnonyMaker – are you an agent of the CCP? That man chose to drink fish tank cleaner. President Trump is NOT telling
anyone to drink fish tank cleaner.
Here is a link to that story on the Trump hating yahoo site – where most comments are actually telling the truth that the man
was an idiot, the press reporting it this way is an idiot, and other facts that you are NOT telling us.
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/man-dies-ingesting-chloroquine-prevent-coronavirus-banner-health-023505139.html?bcmt=1&guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9sb2dpbi55YWhvby5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALjrnsMRLpf-_lpcr-x6yvqHw2UKJW5GygRgeAv9eDzGZNxIhi3rwIxXKdAnRNb0OlIyGnoVfIxGhkUrYbZtIX5wpTFHmj3u94798GX7jjYWD9Y5CyKxbtHBGnfVWDT7_XSaC7ibJeUaPJelC9nB3APkFLmldnSdPAKLKEWvoUoR
Bangkok, the thing you’re most right about is being a coward by not coming on my show and asking the 11 questions you demanded I answer, plus additional questions.
While mostly right, giving someone a vaccine after they get sick with the same illness isn’t logical. It’s too late. If they had a mild case you may be able to boost their immune system to prevent recurrence, but that’s it. If they are very sick, then therapudic drugs may help them recover. Dummy. Scared dummy. LOL
Frank you are a special kind of fool. Good luck to the US, I have to keep reminding myself is NOT represented by a handful of similar fools on this site.
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56
Excellent article Alex, thanks
The UK is now on lockdown.
https://mol.im/a/8144409
“In many cases, symptoms aren’t present AT ALL (or) are so mild that nobody seeks a test.” Evgeni Von Pussy
Senator Rand Paul tested positive but he has no symptoms.
Why was Senator Paul tested?
A few years ago someone attacked
Senator Paul while he was mowing his yard.
The attack broke Paul’s ribs and some of his lung had to be removed.
Even with that injury Senator Paul still has no symptoms.
Eighty-six percent or more of the people who test positive have no symptoms.
And of those who have symptoms most only get a bad cold.
“Why is everybody so quick to claim that 2+2=9?” Evgeni Von Pussy
Well Herr Von Pussy the answer is simple.
The DemonRats in Congress are pushing this contrived crisis to covertly turn the economy into a Marxist state with the DemonRat party controlling the purse strings.
They will use your tax money to bribe you with all kinds of goodies.
That is how Socialism operates.
Let’s look at some of the provisions in Pelosi’s Chinese virus bill:
Pelosi ‘Stimulus’ Bill Imposes Nationwide ‘Ballot Harvesting’ Without ‘Any Limit’
Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi’s new stimulus bill would mandate nationwide “ballot harvesting,” allowing party operatives to return other people’s ballots to polling places without “any limit” on the number of ballots.
“Ballot harvesting” was legalized in California in 2016, and first used in the 2018 midterm elections. It allows anyone to drop off someone else’s mail-in ballot at a polling station. There is no process for vetting or verifying those delivering the ballots — no background checks or identification requirements. Democrats dropped hundreds of thousands of ballots off at polling stations in 2018, helping Democrats as they flipped seven Republican seats.
https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/03/23/pelosi-stimulus-bill-imposes-nationwide-ballot-harvesting-without-any-limit/
Sounds to me like Nancy Pelosi wants National Voting Fraud to be legal.
Democrats Push ‘Foreign Graduates First’ Clause in Coronavirus Bill
The House Democrats’ coronavirus recovery bill allows several hundred thousand foreign workers to get college jobs or blue-collar jobs while millions of Americans lose their careers.
“Congress seems hell-bent on replacing Americans with foreigners,” said Mark Krikorian, the director of the Center for Immigration Studies. “We’re going to have 30 percent unemployment or more — higher than the Great Depression — and yet we are going to bring in more people from abroad? It surreal.”
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/23/democrats-push-foreign-graduates-first-clause-in-coronavirus-bill/
Not only are the DemonRats going to stuff the ballot boxes, they are going to import more foreigners to vote for the Demon Rat party.
This is a contrived crisis designed to help the corrupt politicians in Washington to grab more power and loot.
Expect millions of deaths in the US, because that is exactly what is coming.
Go into strict self-isolation now.
Don’t wait for the government to tell you to do this.
The fatality rate in Canada is approximately 1.4%, and considering the lack of testing here, the actual rates are probably lower than that.
However, do we know for sure that we will develop herd immunity to covid-19? Information from China has suggested that some people have contracted this virus twice . If that turns out to be true, then the herd immunity plan may take much longer to work than you think.
Herd immunity van be very short lived. This is why vaccines are so important.
True….the scientists are working on the vaccine and on anti-viral drugs.