By Evgeni Von Pussy
The news media has called the drugs hydroxychloroquine & azithromycin “false hope”.
The news media has called these two drugs merely “anecdotal” for their effects on COVID.
Even though widespread test trials aren’t done yet, let’s look at REAL TEST TRIAL RESULTS from one of the world’s top doctors for infectious diseases.
Quote from his first test trial:
“At day 6 post-inclusion, 100% of patients treated with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin combination were virologicaly cured comparing with 57.1% in patients treated with hydroxychloroquine only, and 12.5% in the control group”
For those of you who don’t understand it…
He’s saying that 100% of his patients who were given BOTH drugs in combination (hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin) were 100% cured of COVID within 6 days.
For his patients who weren’t given ANY drugs, only 12.5% of them were cured after 6 days (their body’s own natural immune system cured 12.5% of patients in that time frame).
For his patients who were given only hydroxychloroquine (by itself), 57.1% of them were cured after 6 days.
*Therefore, BOTH drugs taken together are an extremely effective combination for dealing with COVID based on real world testing (this is not just ‘anecdotal’ evidence as the fake news media is attempting to report).
Read the study below:
BTW: This doctor’s credentials are among the best in the world. He’s not some average MD. He’s a top infectious disease specialist that’s highly respected.
I’d therefore say it’s not just ‘false hope’ to be optimistic about these treatments.
Trump is being very pragmatic —– when he indicated that he’s ‘hopeful’ that it’ll be an effective treatment, even though we must wait for widespread test trials before we can be 100% sure.
Science is a slow process which requires ‘widespread’ test trials to be finished before doctors (like Dr. Fauci) are ethically allowed to make definitive statements about these treatments. So it’s natural that no doctor is gonna share Trumps’ optimism on TV until every single test trial has been finished. They are ethically bound not to make such comments until the process is completed.
That’s precisely why Trump is the person who shared his optimism on TV —– rather than waiting weeks for other doctors to confirm it.
Trump carefully said that it ‘may’ or ‘may not’ be as effective as he thinks, therefore he was honest with the American people. I’m not sure how that can be interpreted as ‘misleading’ by anybody.
It would be a heck of a coincidence for a study to show a 100% cure rate in 6 days versus only a 12.5% cure rate for patients without these drugs.
Why?
Because it’s very rare — almost impossible — to see 100% successful results in any test trial, even in small test trials (especially from a top doctor who is highly respected).
This doesn’t mean it’s a magic bullet to cure everybody —– but it does mean that there’s reason to be optimistic that these drugs will at least be able to help many people with COVID.
*It’s also interesting that Gov Cuomo is praising these 2 drugs (for NY patients) and is sharing Trump’s hopefulness, yet no media outlets are criticizing the democratic governor for giving out ‘false hope’. LOL.
How do the liberals on this forum explain this difference? 🙂
It’s kinda like how Biden said that Trump was wrong for banning flights from China last month (which means Biden would have let in more infected people if he were president) —— yet he’s now saying that Trump should have done even more. LOL.
That’s not just ‘hypocritical’, it’s downright ‘dementia’ type hypocrisy. LOL.
Can any liberal explain Biden’s remarks?
Have a nice day. 🙂
Frank Parlato 
Janine Morrison 
J.J. O'Hara 
Richard Luthmann 
Marie White 
Paul Serran
Please leave a comment: Your opinion is important to us!
Here’s an example of just what happens when things like this are addressed in an unrealistic and irresponsible manner.
–
Officials warn against self-medicating for virus after death
“A Phoenix-area man has died and his wife was in critical condition after the couple took chloroquine phosphate, an additive used to clean fish tanks that is also found in an anti-malaria medication that’s been touted by President Donald Trump as a treatment for COVID-19.
….
It’s unclear if the couple took it specifically because of COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, but now Banner Health is warning everyone to avoid self-medicating.”
https://www.breitbart.com/news/officials-warn-against-self-medicating-for-virus-after-death/
–
Interestingly, that article from Breitbart avoids getting into what spurred the couple to try that, as does a Fox News piece on the death, even though other coverage posted a couple of hours earlier quotes the wife extensively, including:
“We saw Trump on TV — every channel — and all of his buddies and that this was safe….Trump kept saying it was basically pretty much a cure.”
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-woman-husband-died-chloroquine-warns-not-to-trust-trump-2020-3
Joe O’Hara, Heidi Apple, Dave (the cocksucker) and AnonyFaker have just been proven wrong by an expert! 🙂
ISRAELI EXPERT explains ‘inaccuracy’ and ‘bias’ built into Kung-Flu’s fatality rate.
================== QUOTE:
“Do you know what’s most absurd?” asked Dr. Dan Yamin. “That in the final analysis Trump was right. Not that the coronavirus is just plain flu – it absolutely isn’t – but as he put it: ‘This is just my hunch – way under 1 percent’ [will die].’”
Yamin heads the Laboratory for Epidemic Modeling and Analysis in Tel Aviv University’s engineering faculty, where he has developed models for predicting the spread of infectious diseases.
In an interview with Israel’s Haaretz newspaper, Yamin agreed with Trump’s assessment earlier this month that the World Health Organization’s 3.4% global fatality rate for coronavirus is too high.
Asked whether the research for mortality rates was biased, Yamin responded that it is “very biased.”
The doctor continued:
If I can only carry out few tests, I will test those who have the highest chance of becoming ill, and then, when I check the mortality rate among them, I will get very high numbers. But there is one country we can learn from: South Korea. South Korea has been coping with corona for a long time, more than most Western countries, and they lead in the number of tests per capita. Therefore, the official mortality rate there is 0.9 percent. But even in South Korea, not all the infected were tested – most have very mild symptoms.
The actual number of people who are sick with the virus in South Korea is at least double what’s being reported, so the chance of dying is at least twice as low, standing at about 0.45 percent – very far from the World Health Organization’s [global mortality] figure of 3.4 percent. And that’s already a reason for cautious optimism.
https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/03/23/israeli-expert-trump-right-world-health-organization-wrong-on-coronavirus-death-rate/
==================
I challenge anybody to dispute these basic facts.
Why is everybody so quick to claim that 2+2=9?
The fatality rate is not only biased, but it’s based on counting only a SMALL portion of the infected population who’s actually taken the time to be tested (which usually means testing mostly the sickest people already showing symptoms).
But in many cases, symptoms aren’t present AT ALL (or) are so mild that nobody seeks a test.
Nobody wants to tell the truth here. Basic math doesn’t lie.
You can’t claim the fatality rate is 3.4% if you’re only testing the sickest people.
South Korea’s figures are the most accurate and they agree with the Princess Cruise Ship fatality numbers (the cruise ship fatality was 1% but they had mostly older people on board, which translates to a 0.3% percent fatality rate when adjusted for USA age distribution).
Have a nice day. 🙂
Not impressed, Pussy.
Surely you can find more than one expert who would happily substantiate everything POTUS says no matter how often he contradicts himself.
Stop being such a dick, Pussy.
OK, “Pussy,” here’s my not liberal but Independent, I don’t trust anyone in Govt., response:
Azithromycin treats bacterial not viral infections. Ever. Rule it out. (As Mr. Gibson at first did.)
Hydroxychloroquine MIGHT help a teeny, weeny little bit. It helps inhibit a too-strong autoimmune response to certain viruses HOWEVER that is not REALLY the problem with CV-19. That was the problem with, for instance, the Spanish flu that attacked young people 20 – 40 yrs. old and wiped out troops during the war. CV-19 is not REALLY fatal to that age group of people with STRONGER, HEALTHIER IMMUNE SYSTEMS than we elderly persons possess after decades of wear and tear. Ergo, despite what our fearless, Corruptor-in-Chief claimed about that being the case, it really is the frailer, more worn down bodies among us that are unable to fight back against the virus. (AM was correct about that.) Ergo, YOUNG PEOPLE might benefit from some Hydroxychloroquine IF their systems are over-reacting to the virus but it is contra-indicated for old folks.
This study is skewed bc 2/3rds of the tests failed BUT rather than disregard those results, the researchers factored in those results from failed tests as NEGATIVE. They were put in the ZERO category when they should have been thrown out altogether. Also, the study was not done over time, researchers did not factor in an incubation period where some participants may have developed the virus in time. It was a one shot deal and a positive result following exposure may take longer time in some people to show up than in others. So, the group that was allegedly “CURED” by the drug regimen may either never have had the virus to begin with, been tested too soon to tell either way, or been part of the failed test group that got false negative results after taking the combo regimen.
Even the esteemed Dr. Fauci — the General Schwarzkopf of this whole germ warfare counterattack operation — did not back up POTUS’ claims nor did he dare contradict them. He did turn a bit ashen (IMHO) while Trump was sharing his BIG PHARMA lobbyists consultants’ wisdom, however.
I consulted a professional immunologist on the science who added that had Fauci substantiated Trump’s and, now, Cuomo’s claims, he would be the laughing stock of even his least knowledgeable colleagues, forevermore. Why he did not speak up is concerning. The Chinese Govt., btw, are not the only propagandists on the planet and I praise Cuomo for taking some of the bi-partisan bullshit out of this by agreeing with our President…and Big Pharma.
What the world needs now is love!
(And unity in truth! And immune systems reinforced with disease fighting nutrients such as CBD spiked Mango Margaritas.)
Dont forget your NAC and a selenium supplement! strengthen that immune response and that poor about to be overworked- liver!! lots of love.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/
Evidence of Kung-Flu’s ‘fatality rate’ has no basis in reality and this article explains why.
The regular flu’s fatality rate (0.1%) is based on ESTIMATING the number of infections per year —- since we can’t test everybody and must ‘estimate’ how many people get the flu each year.
However, the fatality rate for ‘Kung-Flu’ is based on CONFIRMED CASES only (i.e., it’s not based on a true ESTIMATION of how many people are really infected).
Which means we are PRETENDING that only the sickest people (who choose to get testing done for Kung-Flu) are the only people infected. Thus, we are greatly boosting the fatality rate based on FICTIONAL science.
We KNOW that very few people are getting tested for Kung-Flu —– so our ‘fatality rates’ are literally FICTION pulled right out of somebody’s ass.
Thus, we are using DIFFERENT criteria to estimate fatality rates between Flu and Kung-Flu.
Science isn’t supposed to compare apples with oranges.
Why not use the SAME scientific method to estimate fatality rates? If we ‘estimate’ infections for one ailment, why not the other?
We are supposed to compare apples with apples. This is not science. It’s fiction.
QUOTE FROM ARTICLE ABOVE:
====================
This evidence fiasco creates tremendous uncertainty about the risk of dying from Covid-19. Reported case fatality rates, like the official 3.4% rate from the World Health Organization, cause horror — and are meaningless. Patients who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes. As most health systems have limited testing capacity, selection bias may even worsen in the near future.
The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the death rate from Covid-19 is much higher.
Projecting the Diamond Princess mortality rate onto the age structure of the U.S. population, the death rate among people infected with Covid-19 would be 0.125%
====================
Have a nice day. 🙂
The Princess ship has too much selection bias to make it a good sample group. This was a group of people where nearly none of them were sick initially and so they all had an extremely high level of medical monitoring from before they were sick. The only thing the Princess ship shows is that, if response to the infection was 100% immediate & perfect, the fatality rate would be 1% among an older population.
So far the testing rate in the US stands at 5 persons per million.
New York Governor
@andrewcuomo
announces that beginning tomorrow, the State will begin treating some patients with a combination of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin.
Cuomo is anonyfakers governor and a hard core leftist.
This would be much easier for our medical and commercial infrastructures were they not overburdened by 40 – 50 million illegals.
We have been attacked biochemically it was only in Wuhan,and it didn’t propagate thru the rest of China? And Italy more dead’s than France etc,these countries are next to each other. It’s a chemical weapon
Anonyfaker constantly running his stoolshooter. Hope she hoarded enough toilet paper to wipe all that crap.
Refuse to fear. The media, the swamp, and politically motivated Never Trumpers, Democrats, and the left are all trying to get you to lose your mind.
In the news this morning, for perspective, is a reminder of just how complex any effort like this actually is – and that there are many things that might seem plausible, or even promising, the majority of which are unlikely to pan out. But there are almost certainly no miracle cures, until or unless something new is invented or, of course, when a vaccine is developed.
–
Scientists Identify 69 Drugs to Test Against the Coronavirus
“Two dozen of the medicines are already under investigation. Also on the list: chloroquine, a drug used to treat malaria.”
“Nevan Krogan, a biologist at the University of California, San Francisco, who led the new study, warned that chloroquine might have many toxic side effects, because the drug appears to target many human cellular proteins.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/22/science/coronavirus-drugs-chloroquine.html
I live in GROUND ZERO – NYC. What stuck me was that when I visited three health food shops – Westerly Heath on 8th, The Vitamin Shoppe on 8th, and Whole Foods at Columbus Circle – none had guinine or chinchilla, which are sold not just as chloroquine/hydroxychloriquine, but as simply quinine, chinchona, etc. No prescription needed. I thought they would be sold out. No such problem; they are not even in stock and the people in each shop were rude and dismissive as I told them that it was being used to cure corona. One attendant – at Westerly – said they were focusing on more important things. Maybe the $40 a bottle garlic essence – which is about 100% profit I would guess. I buy garlic all the time. 99c a head. Why does anyone pay these prices? They are brainwashed by liberal hipsters.
BTW, the front page of the NYT reminds us that it was the Democrats in Italy that helped cause the outbreak: Nicola Zingaretti told people not to change their habits as he sat drinking wine. Three days later thousands had the virus; ZIngaretti among them.
We need to INSIST to all our legislators that quinine be available – not just as a cure, but to prevent as well – my cousin, a USMC flag officer with a Silver Star – told me that they all took chloroquine and it was effective.
At this point I have tonic water, and have ordered on eBay red cinchona powder and other items that contain quinine.
Best to be prepared. I can’t wait for an 18 month clinical trial. Nor can anyone else.
The autocorrect changed my cinchona to chinchilla. And just now it keeps changing ch to c to come up with cinchona.
This is spelled both ways – ch usually for the English name of the tree – c for the Latin name. But autocorrect has no business changing what I wrote. Chinchiila I think is a rodent. As is autocorrect.
😆. Thanks, Gibson. Laughter cures everything except sour Pussy.
BREAKING NEWS: Harvey Weinstein has coronavirus: Rapist movie mogul tests positive and is put in isolation just days after arriving in an upstate New York prison to start his 23-year sentence
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8140715/Harvey-Weinstein-isolation-contracting-virus.html?ito=push-notification&ci=11124&si=1701616
How come the government was unable to protect Harvey Weinstein from the China Virus?
He was in government custody and they can’t protect him from a little virus.
Why not?
Assuming this is not a rhetorical question, the answer is pretty obvious: because he’s in prison – which, from the standpoint of the coronavirus, is like a cruise ship without the amenities.
Some comforting words from Presidential hopeful Joseph Biden in this time of crisis
“Of all the minds I’ve lost, I miss…I miss…you know, the thing! You’re full of shit!” – Joe Biden
“False hope” is just another common false, fallacious strawman of Bangkok and his sock puppets, at least as it is being framed, both in context, and in the fact that those words are used by responsible medical commentators in “conservative” media as well:
“We don’t want to peddle false hope; we have seen promising drugs turn out not to work.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/these-drugs-are-helping-our-coronavirus-patients-11584899438
And no one here that I’ve seen is saying these things don’t show some promise, and shouldn’t be tried – in agreement with the scientific and medical authorities.
Even the study itself is very cautious and promises no miracle cure, only something that might possibly be just one piece of a comprehensive approach:
” We therefore
recommend that COVID-19 patients be treated with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin to
cure their infection and to limit the transmission of the virus to other people in order to curb
the spread of COVID-19 in the world. Further works are also warranted to determine if these
compounds could be useful as chemoprophylaxis to prevent the transmission of the virus,
especially for healthcare workers. Our study has some limitations including a small sample
size, limited long-term outcome follow-up, and dropout of six patients from the study,
however in the current context, we believe that our results should be shared with the scientific
community”
–
As for POTUS, he has hardly been “pragmatic”, and there are good reasons to be skeptical of someone with a very bad track record for accuracy and prognostication, whose irrational optimism has actually hampered and delayed appropriate reactions and response to the crisis:
‘Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.” — POTUS in a CNBC interview.
Jan. 30: “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five — and those people are all recuperating successfully. But we’re working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for us … that I can assure you.” — Trump in a speech in Michigan.
Feb. 10: “Now, the virus that we’re talking about having to do — you know, a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April. We’re in great shape though. We have 12 cases — 11 cases, and many of them are in good shape now.” — Trump at the White House. (See our item “Will the New Coronavirus ‘Go Away’ in April?“)
Feb. 14: “There’s a theory that, in April, when it gets warm — historically, that has been able to kill the virus. So we don’t know yet; we’re not sure yet. But that’s around the corner.” — Trump in speaking to National Border Patrol Council members.
Feb. 23: “We have it very much under control in this country.” — Trump in speaking to reporters.
Feb. 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!” — Trump in a tweet.
Feb. 26: “So we’re at the low level. As they get better, we take them off the list, so that we’re going to be pretty soon at only five people. And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time. So we’ve had very good luck.” — Trump at a White House briefing.
Feb. 26: “And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” — Trump at a press conference.
Feb. 26: “I think every aspect of our society should be prepared. I don’t think it’s going to come to that, especially with the fact that we’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.” — Trump at a press conference, when asked if “U.S. schools should be preparing for a coronavirus spreading.”
Feb. 27: “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.” — Trump at a White House meeting with African American leaders.
Feb. 29: “And I’ve gotten to know these professionals. They’re incredible. And everything is under control. I mean, they’re very, very cool. They’ve done it, and they’ve done it well. Everything is really under control.” — Trump in a speech at the CPAC conference outside Washington, D.C.
March 4: “[W]e have a very small number of people in this country [infected]. We have a big country. The biggest impact we had was when we took the 40-plus people [from a cruise ship]. … We brought them back. We immediately quarantined them. But you add that to the numbers. But if you don’t add that to the numbers, we’re talking about very small numbers in the United States.” — Trump at a White House meeting with airline CEOs.
March 4: “Well, I think the 3.4% is really a false number.” — Trump in an interview on Fox News, referring to the percentage of diagnosed COVID-19 patients worldwide who had died, as reported by the World Health Organization. (See our item “Trump and the Coronavirus Death Rate.”)
March 7: “No, I’m not concerned at all. No, we’ve done a great job with it.” — Trump, when asked by reporters if he was concerned about the arrival of the coronavirus in the Washington, D.C., area.
March 9: “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!” — Trump in a tweet.
March 10: “And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.” — Trump after meeting with Republican senators.
A day later, on March 11, the WHO declared the global outbreak a pandemic. ‘
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/trumps-statements-about-the-coronavirus/
The DemonRats spent three years trying to remove Donald Trump through a bogus impeachment trial.
When that gambit failed the DemonRats latched onto a flu epidemic to shut down the economy and remove Donald Trump.
Note that the DemonRat leaders Nancy Pelosi, Diane Feinstein, Adam Schiff and Gavin Newsom come from California, a state where the homeless routinely defecate and urinate in the city streets.
So these four political hacks should know a lot about endangering the public health and welfare.
The DemonRats won’t stop in their insanity until they crash the American economy and turn this country into a third world dictatorship.
All because the DemonRats are self-righteous anti-American jerks.
Shadow, I’m concerned that you’re really starting to sound unhinged.
And it sounds like the same sort of we’re-the-most-ethical-and-they’re-suppressives, simplistic us-against-them thinking that NXIVM cultists fell for.
You want us to get along like the Japanese, and then you rant against fellow Americans like this? It’s almost as bad as Hillary’s “deplorables” comment – which I agree was a low point – but in reverse.
Watch, Listen and Learn.
Why Japan does not have a Corona Virus Epidemic!
To begin with, it’s actually considered bad online etiquette to provide a link, or a link to a video, without some sort of explanation for those who might not have the time or inclination to delve into something unknown
I’ll leave it to you to summarize what you think might be learned. But I happened to have time to put it on in the background while I did other things.
Japan also has its own significant structural social and economic programs, which some see as being severe enough to have them heading towards a cliff, virus or not. There may be things to learn, but it’s a qualified example.
And universal health care was one of the last things mentioned – part of their “unity” is acceptance of that and other significant elements of socialism, and shared social sacrifices including gun control. How do you feel about that?
It’s bad etiquette to panic people over the flu.
Every year there are outbreaks of the flu.
I’ve already had two bouts with the flu in my life.
Most people recover from the flu.
In NYC, a person committed suicide last night over the Corona Virus.
Man falls to his death from 16th floor of luxury flats during coronavirus isolation
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/man-falls-death-16th-floor-21735275
Stop panicking people.
Stop the hysteria.
In the early days of the flu, the most vulnerable are more prone to die.
But as time goes by, the mortality rate drops drastically.
The best way to stop an epidemic is to CONTROL THE BORDERS!
“The best way to stop an epidemic is to CONTROL THE BORDERS!”
That ship sailed in December.
There will be more viruses in the future.
It’s time for Americans to wake up and realize that China is not America’s friend and China will lie to America and other nations even if it means exposing America to future epidemics.
Shadow, you might want to read this:
The most extensive travel restrictions to stop an outbreak in human history haven’t been enough. We analyzed the movements of hundreds of millions of people to show why.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/22/world/coronavirus-spread.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
New York Slimes??? Enough said. Biggest propaganda arm outside of Communist China
I’m pointing out, based on all the expert advice, that this is something to be taken more seriously than the flu that most people know.
But if you think that’s panicking people, then tell your POTUS to stop calling up hospital ships and the National Guard, invoking wartime powers, talking about possibly nationalizing companies and going on about the need for many more ventilators (today’s briefing), and saying things like “It’s bad. It’s bad….this is a bad one, this is a very bad one, this is bad in the sense that it’s so contagious, it’s just so contagious, sort of record-setting type contagion.”
The 1918 pandemic did end eventually, after a second wave in 1919 – and after killing a percentage of the population that would be equivalent to over 2 million today, in the ballpark of worst-case estimates for COVID-19. What if that’s what we’re facing?
I realize you are probably struggling to grasp the gravity of what is going on. That’s about how Allison Mack was feeling after the branding scandal broke in the news.
I personally know of situations where cavalier younger people or those who don’t “believe” that coronavirus is real are not only not taking recommended precautions, but doing things that risk exposing older and vulnerable people.
Hey, anonyfaker, he is your President too. You are the one in full-blown panic,
Is it bad etiquette to hope that Shadowstate contracts CV19 and dies alone and painfully, croaking to their last about the deep state and libs?