While the rest of the country implements increasingly extreme measures to combat the coronavirus crisis, the U.S. criminal justice system just keeps humming along as if nothing has changed.
As Rep. Jerry Nadler wrote in a recent letter to U.S. Attorney General William Barr, “In spite of the recent national emergency declaration and the fact that state and local prosecutorial agencies and courts across the country have made adjustments to their charging policies and are releasing prisoners who are at high risk of getting sick, it appears that it is ‘business as usual’ in many U.S. Attorney’s offices. If true, this is deeply distressing.”
Nadler was referring to the fact that Federal prosecutors are continuing to move forward with prosecutions for non-violent crime – and continuing to incarcerate more prisoners in facilities that are basically large-scale Petri dishes for bacteria, germs, and viruses.
That means that new prisoners are being sent into prisons – and, in many cases, housed in those prisons’ general population sections rather than isolated from other prisoners.
It also means that the Bureau of Prisons (BOP) is not releasing those prisoners who are considered to be “high risk” in terms of the coronavirus.
Just a few days ago, Assistant U.S. Attorney Tanya Hajjar – one of the prosecutors who helped to convict NXIVM/ESP leader Keith Raniere – wrote that no inmates at the Metropolitan Detention Center (MDC) in Brooklyn, NY or any other federal facility had tested positive for the coronavirus.
What she failed to mention is that the BOP was not doing any testing of prisoners.
That’s all changed now.
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First Federal Inmate Tests Positive at MDC
Earlier today, the BOP confirmed that an inmate at MDC tested positive for the coronavirus on Saturday.
That prisoner has now been quarantined at an undisclosed location within MDC.
The unidentified inmate had complained of chest pains shortly after arriving at MDC on March 16th.
He was taken to an outside hospital on March 19th for testing – and returned to MDC on March 20th after the testing confirmed he was, in fact, infected with the coronavirus.
Once he was returned to MDC, he was immediately placed in isolation.
“BOP staff will continue to monitor this inmate,” the BOP said in a statement, adding that the prisoner remains in isolation. “All (Centers for Disease Control) guidelines are being followed, including the conduct of a contact investigation and additional sanitation of affected areas.”
The BOP also confirmed that an undisclosed number of other MDC inmates who shared housing with the infected prisoner have also been quarantined.
The agency also indicated that it may also isolate the MDC staff who had contact with the prisoner.
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Lots More Questions Than Answers
The coronavirus is, in fact, a new type of virus that has never been seen before.
But what happens when you place new prisoners into an existing inmate housing unit is something that the BOP – and the staff at MDC – know a lot about.
Having spent some 28-months at MDC, I can personally attest that there were at least three serious outbreaks of infectious diseases while I was there – and that each of those outbreaks occurred after new inmates were transferred into MDC from other facilities.
In a confined space like MDC that provides zero sunshine – and almost no fresh air – to the 1,600 inmates located there, diseases and infections spread quickly and almost universally.
So, then why the hell in times like this would the BOP admit a new prisoner – and immediately place them in a general population unit?
Wouldn’t it make more sense to either delay new incarcerations except for those who are considered a danger to society – or at least isolate all new prisoners for a reasonable period of time to ensure they don’t infect the rest of the prison population?
And given what’s going on in the U.S. and throughout the world, why would MDC wait three days before getting a prisoner who was exhibiting classic symptoms of coronavirus tested for disease?
And why would MDC transport a potentially infected prisoner to an outside hospital – a process that brings the prisoner into close proximity with 10-15 other inmates and staff – rather than have the MDC medical staff do the testing (The test involves taking a swab of the potentially infected person’s upper nasal area)?
And why is the BOP still banning hand sanitizers in prison? Is it actually more concerned about inmates drinking the stuff than it is about preventing the spread of coronavirus?
Why has the BOP not responded to calls for it to release inmates who are at high risk of becoming infected with the coronavirus: e.g., the elderly, those who have underlying respiratory issues, the chronically ill, etc. (According to David Patton, the Executive Director of the Federal Defender Service in New York City, there may be as many as 350 inmates at MDC who meet the CDC’s “high risk” standard)?
Why isn’t the Department of Justice postponing the trials of all defendants whose alleged crimes do not involve violence?
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Disastrous Problems Coming to Federal Prisoners
I am not an alarmist or a scaremonger.
But I am extremely concerned about what’s going to happen in our federal prisons as the coronavirus invariably spreads into them.
If the national “infection rate” nationwide is going to eventually be in the 60%-80% range – which is the latest projection range – then the “infection rate” in federal prions is going to be at least in the 70%-90% range.
If the “fatality rate” for those who contract the coronavirus in the U.S. is going to end up being in the 1.5%-2.5% range, that rate will be even higher for prisoners.
Let me translate those percentages into real numbers for you.
If 80% of the inmates at MDC contract the coronavirus – and the disease is fatal for 2% of those who get infected – then 26 of the current inmates there are going to die.
And if the “infection rate” and the “fatality rate” at MDC turn out to be substantially higher, that number could be even higher.
One other thing I think will likely happen is that the security at federal prisons like MDC will eventually be taken over by the National Guard.
That’s because the “infection rate” and “fatality rate” for the existing guards at those types of federal prisons are also quite likely to be above average.
And given that we do not have any sort of back-up plan for the existing guards, where else are we going to turn?
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Frank Parlato 
Janine Morrison 
J.J. O'Hara 
Richard Luthmann 
Marie White 
Paul Serran
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Frank Parlato has proved himself a dangerous fool on this issue. How about showing some serious concern and offering useful and peer reviewable information so necessary at a time like this, instead of showboating your narcisssistic cronies?
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf
Thanks once again, Alex Trudel, for the Pueyo article link below, anyone interested in information not given to prop up narcissistic vested interests, would do well to read this, and the Imperial College task force report, and then compare that data with similar reports from US NPI modeling data, you’ll find discrepancies that are probably worth arguing over, instead of your credulous idiotic politicking. Stay safe. Build your immune systems however you personally choose to do that. Don’t allow the cretinisation of this site to skew your judgment.
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56
Now there’s even Fox coverage:
Concern grows for vulnerable prison populations and employees as coronavirus spreads through overstuffed facilities
https://www.foxnews.com/us/concerns-grow-for-vulnerable-prison-population-and-the-safety-of-employees-as-coronavirus-spreads-into-overstuffed-cells
The Intercept published this today. “What’s Wrong With Cheering Harvey Weinstein’s Coronavirus Diagnosis,” written by Natasha Lennard. It was one of the best reads yet about what Joe O’Hara is addressing, at least for me.
Joe O’Hara has just been proven wrong by an expert! 🙂
ISRAELI EXPERT explains ‘inaccuracy’ and ‘bias’ built into Kung-Flu’s fatality rate.
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“Do you know what’s most absurd?” asked Dr. Dan Yamin. “That in the final analysis Trump was right. Not that the coronavirus is just plain flu – it absolutely isn’t – but as he put it: ‘This is just my hunch – way under 1 percent’ [will die].’”
Yamin heads the Laboratory for Epidemic Modeling and Analysis in Tel Aviv University’s engineering faculty, where he has developed models for predicting the spread of infectious diseases.
In an interview with Israel’s Haaretz newspaper, Yamin agreed with Trump’s assessment earlier this month that the World Health Organization’s 3.4% global fatality rate for coronavirus is too high.
Asked whether the research for mortality rates was biased, Yamin responded that it is “very biased.”
The doctor continued:
If I can only carry out few tests, I will test those who have the highest chance of becoming ill, and then, when I check the mortality rate among them, I will get very high numbers. But there is one country we can learn from: South Korea. South Korea has been coping with corona for a long time, more than most Western countries, and they lead in the number of tests per capita. Therefore, the official mortality rate there is 0.9 percent. But even in South Korea, not all the infected were tested – most have very mild symptoms.
The actual number of people who are sick with the virus in South Korea is at least double what’s being reported, so the chance of dying is at least twice as low, standing at about 0.45 percent – very far from the World Health Organization’s [global mortality] figure of 3.4 percent. And that’s already a reason for cautious optimism.
https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/03/23/israeli-expert-trump-right-world-health-organization-wrong-on-coronavirus-death-rate/
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I challenge Kung-Flu Joe to dispute these basic facts.
Why is everybody so quick to claim that 2+2=9?
The fatality rate is not only biased, but it’s based on counting only a SMALL portion of the infected population who’s actually taken the time to be tested (which usually means testing mostly the sickest people already showing symptoms).
But in many cases, symptoms aren’t present AT ALL (or) are so mild that nobody seeks a test.
Nobody wants to tell the truth here. Basic math doesn’t lie.
You can’t claim the fatality rate is 3.4% if you’re only testing the sickest people.
South Korea’s figures are the most accurate and they agree with the Princess Cruise Ship fatality numbers (the cruise ship fatality was 1% but they had mostly older people on board, which translates to a 0.3% percent fatality rate when adjusted for USA age distribution).
Have a nice day. 🙂
One outlier opinion does not prove Joe wrong.
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Here’s what happens when you listen to the wrong people – or don’t listen to the consensus of experts:
Donald Trump: I Stand with Hong Kong but Also Xi Jinping
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2019/11/22/donald-trump-stand-hong-kong-xi-jinping/
Donald Trump Optimistic About Containing China Coronavirus: ‘Hopefully It’s All Going to Be Great’
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/31/donald-trump-optimistic-about-containing-china-coronavirus-hopefully-its-all-going-to-be-great/
Trump says US has plan to contain coronavirus – “totally under control” | Fox News
Jan 22, 2020 – He said he trusts how China’s President Xi has handled the outbreak. “I have a great relationship with President Xi,”
https://www.foxnews.com/health/trump-says-us-has-plan-to-contain-coronavirus-after-first-case-reported-in-country-totally-under-control
Stay home and don’t go out unless it’s to buy food or medicines, or are performing vital work.
Whilst you are out maintain a distance of 7 feet between yourself and other people.
Handwashing you know about.
Go ahead and ridicule this advice.
You will receiving exactly the same advice directly from your government sooner than you think.
Here you go:
overnor Jay Inslee
@GovInslee
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Replying to
@GovInslee
Effective immediately, all Washingtonians must stay home unless they are pursuing an essential activity.
Those include:
➡️ Grocery shopping
➡️ Doctor appointments
➡️ Essential work duty
@Joe O’Hara
(aka grandpa of chicken little)
Joey,
In a response to another commenter, you said that up to 80% of everybody on Earth will catch Coronavirus this year (before a vaccine is available).
You also said that Antarctica was a ‘country’ —- so I’m guessing you’re not the sharpest tool in the shed and were probably home-schooled in some backwoods, Missouri trailer park.
But anyway, getting back to my original point…
It’s impossible for 80% of any country’s population to get a virus like this before a vaccine is created, since ‘herd immunity’ will begin to develop LONG before the 80% mark is reached, which would greatly slow the spread.
If 80% of everybody is gonna get Kung-Flu — that means it’s gotta happen BEFORE a vaccine is circulated later this year (the first vaccine is already in trial testing and will likely be fast tracked beyond anybody’s expectations).
https://time.com/5807669/coronavirus-vaccine-moderna/
It’ll be released before 2021. Just wait and see.
BTW: This vaccine will also be available for doctors to use on the sickest patients LONG BEFORE it’s cleared for the general pubic (compassionate use exception). The sickest ICU patients can use vaccines that aren’t yet cleared for the general public as long as they make an informed consent. Which means that Kung-Flu ‘deaths’ will be close to zero once the vaccine comes out, even if it’s not yet available for the general public outside of ICU hospital units.
But anyway, getting back to your 80% figure…
Even if we didn’t have containment measures and just went about our daily lives as normal (shaking hands, attending sporting events, etc.) it would still take longer than 9 months to reach 80% infection —– because with every new infection comes ‘immunity’ for that person. Thus, when the immunity figure rises over 50%, the infection rate becomes that much more SLOW and DIFFICULT.
Go swig some Missouri moonshine, Joe.
Or better yet, go visit your imagined country of Antarctica. I’m sure it’s president has a congressional delegation waiting to greet you.
Have a nice day. 🙂
Let’s start with what I actually said in the other comment as opposed to what you claim I said.
“Except for Antarctica, every country will eventually be inundated with the coronavirus. And while there will likely be some variation in terms of the “infection rate” in various countries, the vast majority of them will eventually be in the 60%-80% range”.
Score one point for you in that I should have used the word “place” instead of “country”. But that little faux pas pales in comparison to your gross misrepresentation of what I actually said.
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Of much more concern to me is your continuing attempt to convince people that they really don’t need to be worried all that much about the coronavirus.
I don’t know – and I don’t really care – if you’re doing this simply because you crave attention or because you’re malicious. Either way, what you’re doing is dangerous.
Here’s the AP story regarding the coronavirus vaccine testing that you referenced in your comment:
Coronavirus vaccine test opens with 1st doses
March 16, 2020, 3:54 PM EDT / Updated March 16, 2020, 10:51 PM EDT
By Associated Press
SEATTLE — U.S. researchers gave the first shot to the first person in a test of an experimental coronavirus vaccine Monday — leading off a worldwide hunt for protection even as the pandemic surges.
With a careful jab in a healthy volunteer’s arm, scientists at the Kaiser Permanente Washington Research Institute in Seattle begin an anxiously awaited first-stage study of a potential COVID-19 vaccine developed in record time after the new virus exploded from China and fanned across the globe.
“We’re team coronavirus now,” Kaiser Permanente study leader Dr. Lisa Jackson said on the eve of the experiment. “Everyone wants to do what they can in this emergency.”
The Associated Press observed as the study’s first participant, an operations manager at a small tech company, received the injection inside an exam room. Three others were next in line for a test that will ultimately give 45 volunteers two doses, a month apart.
“We all feel so helpless. This is an amazing opportunity for me to do something,” Jennifer Haller, 43, of Seattle, said as she awaited the shot.
She’s the mother of two teenagers and “they think it’s cool” that she’s taking part in the study.
After the injection, she left the exam room with a big smile: “I’m feeling great.”
Monday’s milestone marked just the beginning of a series of studies in people needed to prove whether the shots are safe and could work.
Even if the research goes well, a vaccine wouldn’t be available for widespread use for 12 to 18 months, said Dr. Anthony Fauci of the U.S. National Institute of Health.
Still, finding a vaccine “is an urgent public health priority,” Fauci said in a statement Monday. The new study, “launched in record speed, is an important first step toward achieving that goal.”
This vaccine candidate, code-named mRNA-1273, was developed by the NIH and Massachusetts-based biotechnology company Moderna Inc. There’s no chance participants could get infected from the shots because they don’t contain the coronavirus itself.
It’s not the only potential vaccine in the pipeline. Dozens of research groups around the world are racing to create a vaccine against COVID-19. Another candidate, made by Inovio Pharmaceuticals, is expected to begin its own safety study — in the U.S., China and South Korea — next month.
The Seattle experiment got underway days after the World Health Organization declared the new virus outbreak a pandemic because of its rapid global spread, infecting more than 169,000 people and killing more than 6,500.
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Please provide Frank Report readers with your full name and home address so that you can be held responsible for any harm that results from your ongoing misrepresentations.
And if you won’t do that, then just please shut the fuck up on this topic.
http://www.dickmorris.com/speed-approval-of-coronavirus-vaccine-lunch-alert/
Trump and the FDA will easily revamp the rules to bypass the normally long process of efficacy testing.
Just watch, Joe.
Once the ‘safety’ testing is done in a couple months —– the drug will be deemed ‘safe’ and there will be HUGE public pressure on the FDA to let patients be vaccinated even before the full test trials can be done next year.
This isn’t a normal time. Economy has stopped. The normal rules don’t apply.
‘Safety’ is all the matters to people. ‘Efficacy’ doesn’t mean shit if you’re lying in the ICU and dying anyway, LOL.
Israel will be inoculating their whole population very soon after the initial ‘safety testing’ is done in a couple months. Just watch. This will embolden other countries to revolt against their own vaccine authorities.
Once a drug is deemed ‘safe’ —- there’s no reason not to let patients use it even if the ‘efficacy’ testing isn’t done.
As long as it can’t do any ‘harm’ then the public will rise up and demand to be vaccinated, especially if the death rate is rising as grimly as you and your buttlicking protege (AnonyFaker) predict. LOL.
Just watch, Jo-Jo.
The FDA will allow the release of this vaccine far earlier than 2021 and the people of Israel will prove that it works, thus emboldening other countries to try it.
And you’ll be stuck in your trailer park eating beans and waiting for the end of the world, wearing your tin foil hat.
Have a nice day. 🙂
Typo: Safety is all ‘THAT’ matters to people
Or if we rushed things too much, we could end up having the same sort of problems as with Thalidomide, or Phen-Fen, or swine flu vaccine (a higher than average rate of complications, was enough to spawn anti-vax conspiracy theories). Side effects and interactions could turn out to be exactly the wrong thing for coronavirus patients in serious condition, just the sort of concerns raised by experts in the latest paper out on Medscape.
As an example, and all too typically, a treatment hyped here on March 15th, is on the list of early disappointments, having been shown not to have panned 5 days later:
HIV drugs didn’t work as a coronavirus treatment in a clinical trial
“Antivirals called lopinavir and ritonavir ‘showed no benefit’ when given to severely ill people”
March 19, 2020
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-pandemic-hiv-drugs-do-not-work-treatment-clinical-trial
“Please provide Frank Report readers with your full name and home address so that you can be held responsible for any harm that results from your ongoing misrepresentations.
And if you won’t do that, then just please shut the fuck up on this topic.”
The above could be easily accomplished by Frank. He is the one helping to spread misinformation on this topic by choosing to post these kinds of comments.
Sure. No problem.
My name is FUCK YOU, cocksucker. 🙂
My address is: 1234 Poke that Pussy ‘Til it’s Sore
Nice try to shut down the conversation.
Free speech doesn’t work like that.
Firstly, everything I said is true.
Kung-flu’s death rate is NOT accurate.
Just because the WHO and CDC have more ‘expertise’ than me does NOT change the fact that the death rate is not accurate because we haven’t tested enough people to know how many are actually infected.
Guess what?
You can have 1,000 graduates from Harvard medical school say that the death rate is 4.3% for Kung-flu —– but that doesn’t make it accurate, because UNTIL we test many more people we’ll never know the truth death rate.
Capiche? Dummy. 🙂
South Korea’s death rate is the most accurate at 0.9% because they have done the MOST TESTING PER CAPITA —— but even they concede that there’s at least double the number of infections who haven’t yet been tested (due to mild symptoms). Which means their real death rate is around 0.45% (half of one percent).
It’s basic math.
Secondly, nobody can hold me ‘accountable’ for anything since we don’t live in a police state like China where people can be put in prison for speaking the wrong words.
Duh.
I will continue to comment and if I ever see you in person I’ll sic my poodle on you and instruct him to piss on you and possibly to bite your balls.
Have a nice day. 🙂
Drunk again, Bangcock?
Your timescale for the widespread availability of a vaccine may be true for the US, but the UK and Germany are on track for the end of 2020. These vaccines will be in limited use in hospitals from July.
I posted yesterday that military bases, and and in particular naval vessels, are at high risk of Coronavirus Outbreaks. Expect to hear more of this in the next few days. Fortunately, they are well equipped to deal with infective agents, and are likely to receive priority testing.
The Secretary of Defense just announced 133 members of the military have the Wuhan Chinese coronavirus, and we’re supposed to be bleeding heart Libtards worried about the convicted prisoners in prison?
Before long Hell will be visited upon China.
The US Marines are planning a war with China.
Marines Plan to Retool to Meet China Threat
The Marine Corps is undertaking its most sweeping transformation in decades, pivoting from a focus on fighting insurgents in the Middle East to developing the ability to hop from island to island in the western Pacific to bottle up the Chinese fleet.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/marines-plan-to-retool-to-meet-china-threat-11584897014
Behind a paywall.
U.S. Army’s New Supergun Could Hit Targets in China
That’s interesting, but it’s off-topic, as usual. All of the military services are constantly analyzing changes to their tactical and strategic plans. The really cool stuff isn’t disclosed to the public until it is used in battle. A bit of trivia – I graduated with the current Commandant of the Marine Corps. Barry pronounces it “corpse.”
Scott, If you see Commandant Barry you should advise him that the “P” is silent.
The only corpses should be the enemy soldiers.
Thanks Mr. Shadow. I have no plans to be anywhere near Barry.
Barry was never a Commandant, he was a Commie-wannabe.
The Chinese military has 225 million active duty personnel.
The US has 1.4 million.
Do whatever you like with that information.
Nukes
Yes. Both China and the US have more than enough to destroy each other.
In the news this morning:
Trump weighs release of some federal prisoners after inmate tests positive for coronavirus
‘The Trump administration is considering the release of some federal prisoners in an attempt to reduce the risk of a larger outbreak of the coronavirus in the nation’s largest prison system.
President Donald Trump on Sunday acknowledged the potential vulnerability of elderly inmates, saying that the administration is weighing the move to include “totally nonviolent prisoners” after the nation’s largest detention system reported its first known case of the coronavirus involving an inmate. The prisoner has been quarantined at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn.’
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/03/22/first-federal-inmate-tests-positive-coronavirus-new-york/2893959001/
State prisons and local jails began this process several days ago. Meanwhile, the Feds are still “considering” whether to do something similar. So much for the Feds showing any leadership on this issue.
Let’s visit the Streets of Tokyo and see how much panic and fear there is.
Coronavirus in Japan | What is the situation of Covid-19 in Tokyo now? | 3/21/2020
Japan is a country that is very different from us in many ways – not all of them good, as they face of number of almost existential economic and demographic problems.. What lessons do you think might be learned?
Japan also took early measures to close schools, And since Japan lags in coronvirus testing – though they did a bit better than the US at rolling out small-scale high-quality ad accurate testing early – experts aren’t sure that they’re going to emerge unscathed in the long run, and may not already, like the US a few weeks ago, have more undetected cases circulating than they realize.
Also, Japan still has 9 cases of COVID-19 per million population, but if you want to look for countries that are doing better yet, Mexico and Pakistan only have 4 per million, and life goes on in Mexico City and Islamabad much as it does in Tokyo – are those other examples you think we should learn from, too?
Here’s an interesting article to consider – though it doesn’t offer any easy answers, just a couple of theories along the lines of some of what I’ve suggested above:
Why is Japan still a coronavirus outlier?
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2020/03/21/commentary/japan-commentary/japan-still-coronavirus-outlier/
Except for Antarctica, every country will eventually be inundated with the coronavirus. And while there will likely be some variation in terms of the “infection rate” in various countries, the vast majority of them will eventually be in the 60%-80% range.
Citing the “infection rates” in other countries as an indication that those countries are somehow going to be immune from coronavirus is naive, specious and, worst of all, dangerous. If you feel that’s not the case, then I suggest you pick one of those “safe” countries and move there.
Please stop trying to convince people that the coronavirus is not really all that different from the flu or that we’re going to find or develop some “miracle cure” in the near term. Neither of those things is true.
If all goes well, we’ll develop a vaccine sometime in the next 12-18 months. That’s really the best we can hope for.
It’s beginning to look now, that one or two vaccines will be available by the end of the year. They are currently passing through accelerated testing procedures. The major problem is gearing up production facilities to mass produce them. That is not an insurmountable problem though it is going to be very challenging.
Please share your source for that information because it differs from what I’ve been told.
Are you sure you’re talking about vaccines as opposed to treatments? I think it’s quite possible that we can develop new treatments – or re-purpose existing treatments – within those timeframes. But I think a true vaccine – i.e., something that will prevent people from contracting COVID-19 – will likely not be available for at least another 12 months.
My source is an Epidemiologist who I am receiving dail updates from, together with advisories I am receding from the UK government; but a quick search I just did turned up this:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/mar/19/uk-drive-develop-coronavirus-vaccine-science
I haven’t read it yet.
I’m rather busy..
“Paul
March 22, 2020 at 8:45 pm
The more meaningful statistics are those requiring hospitalization and the mortality rate amongst them. ”
This is the most relevant statement of all in all the FEAR MONGERING peddled by people with an AGENDA TO SPREAD PANIC.
When a disease hits a new population the first to die are the most vulnerable.
The elderly and those already with compromised health.
In the US, it was people on cruise ships and in nursing homes.
Generally, elderly people confined to small spaces.
And the Doctors on cruise ships are generally QUACKS, MISFITS AND CLOWNS.
Doctors like Brandon Porter and Danielle Roberts.
Doctors who could not handle a Norovirus outbreak at the Silver Bay YMCA.
As for the people who run prisons and all government agencies, here is a picture of the typical government bureaucrat.
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Since Frank is infected with the virus already is that good or bad for him? At his advanced age, he might not recover which means he won’t have to go to jail but if he survives, then at least he knows he will be immune when he goes to the prison, so that at least is good news.
I have not contracted coronavirus as far as I know and I never felt better. However, I realize I might wind up – like many people around the world – getting infected. Currently, I am following the protocol suggested by the government. My work is in an essential business – media – but I am limiting my work and practicing social distancing.
How can you say nothing has changed? They had the prisoner tested and segregated him. LOL
Jerry Nadler? What a joke. LOL
If people commit crimes, they deserve what’s coming to them, even you said infections are rampant in prisons.
Did you really expect Hajjar to make a reasonable statement? Remember, she’s a lawyer. LOL
I agree it makes more sense to test the prisoners at the prison instead of carting them all over the place and exposing others. But this is the government we’re talking about, and even worse,
the federal government. LOL
We put prisoners in the general population for the same reason we don’t have hundreds of millions of test kits, we’re not set up to handle this situation. LOL
Soap works better than hand sanitizers. Fact.
It makes no sense to release criminals into society, especially when society is in an upheaval without them being present.
Prisoners do not reflect society in terms of age and medical conditions, the death rate will likely be far lower than the society at large. Even if it isn’t, it would relieve prison overcrowding and guarantee they will never commit another crime. Who can be against those two advantages?
I think eventually a strategery needs to be developed to isolate those with the virus from those who don’t have it. A prison is the perfect environment for this: If most of the guards and prisoners get the virus, then the barrier should be between them and the rest of society until they recover. In this manner, we can return to a normal society faster. Of course, we can’t do this now for the remainder of society, as it would overloead the medical system. Effective medicines and an eventual vaccine will hasten getting past the current parilyzed economy, which will have its own human and financial costs if the quarantining goes on much longer. There is no perfect answer, just that some are better than others.
“what’s coming to them” is their sentence – nothing more, nothing less. And we now know that between false convictions and overcharging, a not insignificant number of inmates don’t deserve to be there, at least not for as long as they’ve been held.
John Tighe is a perfect example of the problem – quite likely innocent, essentially railroaded by Rainiere and the Bronfmans’ machinations, and yet now an at-risk federal prisoner. Frank himself could be next.
Take your bleeding Libtard heart somewhere else.
“That means that new prisoners are being sent into prisons – and, in many cases, housed in those prisons’ general population sections rather than isolated from other prisons.” I think you meant “prisoners” for the last word instead of “prisons.”
You’re correct that I meant the last word to be “prisoners”. It’s been fixed.
What the US needs to do but won’t do, is examine everything that has been done around the world to minimise contagion – including in China, and implement everything that has proven to be effective.
It seems to not even be looking at these measures, let alone implementing them.
We don’t know what the Chinese are doing, they are abject liars. And the U.S. is examining what is working/not working in other countries. You are clueless. LOL
As an MD who has been receiving daily updates on the worldwide situation directly from a professor of Epidemiology for the last 6 weeks, I may be seeing things a little differently than you.
Paul,
You are wasting your time attempting to have a dialogue with Scott J.. Some of his remarks over the last two days have demonstrated he should be left alone. Scott J. believes there’s no one more educated than him. Full stop.
Honestly and without irony.
Thanks. I’ll take your advice.
He is no worse than chicken little anonyfaker.
Do share, because I’ve been watching the daily presentations led by Trump, and the various American doctors are saying they are tied into what is going on around the world. So are you claiming the Chinese are telling the truth, the American doctors are lying, or both? It sounds like you have a secret and want to keep it that way. That doesn’t help anyone.
Of course you are. The US is actually leading the way in this. No one knows what the fuck is going on in China.
Then trust your own sources. I’m not trying to convince you of anything.
You are not convincing anybody. There are numerous sources out there and many medical people who disagree. Not interested in what quack is pushing on the frank report.
The fatality rate is NOT going to wind up above 1%.
It’s going down every few days, because we KNOW about every death (and record it accurately) —– but there are TONS of people who are asymptomatic (who are infected) that we haven’t tested yet.
Thus, we’re dividing the numerator (deaths) into an incorrectly LOW denominator (infections). This gives us an artificially high fatality rate.
But we are now testing 10 times more people every day so ‘new infections’ are going to rise —- not because it’s spreading faster, but because we’re now testing 10 times more people than we did last week.
This will make the fatality rate go way down since the number of deaths will rise fairly constant but the number of infections will rise much higher.
Get a clue Joe.
The true scientists tracking the numbers are estimating that the death rate could be way under 0.5% once we test everybody and include the TONS of asymptomatic people who don’t need any treatment.
It’s basically just a new strain of the flu. A little more deadly, but it’s not the black plague.
Get a grip on yourself old man.
The more meaningful statistics are those requiring hospitalisation and the mortality rate amongst them. Also note that these tests produce false positives and negatives, in numbers that are higher than most would think.
That statistic is virtually meaningless unless we know how many people have had the Wuhan Chinese coronavirus. The reason the WHO tests weren’t used is because they were not reliable.
Regardless of the test used, it is essential to perform a second test 3 days later in any people who appear to be symptomatic. This needs to be done to avoid acting on false positives and negatives. None of the tests currently available are 100% reliable. Others are in development, and some will become available in April.
This article discusses the nuances: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/where-do-you-go-if-you-get-coronavirus/607759/
Since when have we been testing 10 times more people every day, we don’t have that many test kits. You’re not only wrong, you’re chicken to come on my show because you know I would make you look like the fool you are, Bangkok.
The case fatality rate for an average influenza strain is around .1%, so this coronavirus by no means compares to a typical influenza strain. And then there’s that problem of the extraordinary number of pneumonia cases requiring hospitalization that it produces, which is why the federal government is having to move in with hospital ships and MASH units – hardly a typical flu season response.
Still, hearing people say coronavirus is just like the flu? They’re wrong — and here’s why
‘The seasonal flu has a fatality rate of less than 1%. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, estimates that the flu fatality rate is closer to 0.1%. But even accounting for the mild, yet undiagnosed cases of COVID-19, he said last Wednesday, it would still make it “roughly 10 times more lethal than the seasonal flu.
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The potential demand for hospital beds, ventilators, masks and medications, and the pressure all of this would put on staff, worries her. “Because there’s no proven therapy or vaccine,” Barton said, “as coronavirus spreads, it threatens to put a much greater burden on health systems than flu does, and greater than most or many are prepared for.””’
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/coronavirus-vs-the-flu-its-just-like-other-viruses-and-we-should-go-about-our-normal-business-right-wrong-heres-why-2020-03-09
Dead wrong – the case fatality rate has actually been increasing since March 7 after some decline and hitting a low of 3.4%, see the last chart on the page, Outcome of Cases (Recovery or Death):
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-cases/#case-outcome
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Raw numbers from the same site:
Date – Total Cases / Total Deaths = Case Fatality Rate (CFR)
Mar 1 – 88585 / 3050 = 3.4%
Mar 7 – 106099 / 3599 = 3.4%
Mar 14 – 156653 5833 = 3.7%
Mar 21 – 305036 13013 = 4.2%
Mar 22 – 337469 14647 = 4.3%
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And what “true scientists” are you talking about? Can you name names, and cite sources?
There’s a divergence of opinion, but I don’t find any actual scientists or experts saying “way under” .5%. And just because because you might be able to find find one or a couple, doesn’t mean that you should listen to just outliers and rely on that – two months ago you probably could also have found a few opinions this coronavirus wouldn’t spread much outside China, too.
Dr. Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, has indicated he believes the overall “fatality rate” will be 1% or higher. I also think the “fatality rate” in prisons will quite likely be above the national average because of the unsanitary conditions, the lack of quality health care, the lack of social isolation, the poor quality of food, and a variety of other factors.
What I have stated is my opinion – and I have not represented it to be any more than that.
Of those requiring hospital admission, the current mortality rate is between 2 and 6% worldwide. That figure is accurate as of yesterday.
Why not link your sources? If you are so reliable yourself?
My sources are daily updates from a professor of Epidemiology, and less frequent updates from the WHO, CDC and UK government. I am not at liberty to share them in toto. As a Psychiatrist working in the fields of Dissociative Disorders and PTSD, I am by no means an expert on viruses, but my sources are.
Within 2 weeks, 90-100% of the inmates will be infected. Within three weeks, they will start to die.
There is absolutely no way to prevent this.
Only a handful will probably die. Prisons don’t reflect the general population in terms of age, medical conditions, etc. Unbunch your panties. LOL