In our study of Nxivm as a greater study of people and their roles in cult, we came across some interesting video of Allison Mack she made over a period of 4 years – from 2013 [pre-DOS] to 2017 – when she was in DOS, helping recruit women into slavery by taking blackmail materiel from them and getting them branded on their pubic region.
Here are some of her promotional videos for Jness.
Thanks to Marie White, we have the transcripts.
What’s it like working for Jness?
Working for Jness I think is the most gratifying thing I have ever done.
It’s the most challenging thing I’ve ever done because it consists of working with a group of people in a way that is totally interdependent, meaning we’re all working together and no one is ever punished and no one is ever told that they’re wrong or that they’re bad.
The most important thing in working on Jness is the relationships in Jness and I’m not used to that. I’m used to the objective being met. I’m used to like strict hard fast deadlines and lots of fear and punishment if I don’t get it right.
And in working for Jness there isn’t any of that, so it comes purely from a place of self-motivation and self-direction and that is really difficult, but I would say that working for Jness is the most satisfying and most purposeful thing I’ve ever done. Watching the women that are involved in Jness completely transform and evolve in a way that is so pure it’s such a privilege and really literally seeing people’s lives’ path completely turn 180 degrees where in one moment they really felt like this is all they had and this is all that they could do and all of the sudden they come through Jness and they start working with us and in our community.
It’s like a whole other life is born out of their new experience of themselves and that’s an incredibly satisfying and gratifying thing to do. I think it’s challenging because I think Jness is an organization that looks to all participants to be 100% responsible for themselves and their lives. So it makes it hard to blame people for the mistakes that are made when you’re always looking at your own responsibilities and participation in the situation.
But that’s just hard for my ego and my pride. I think if the whole world operated in that way we would have a much more joyful and a much more efficient existence. The amount of time we spend blaming one another is a little ridiculous so working for Jness is grounding and satisfying humbling and wonderful.
If happiness was the national currency, what kind of work would make you rich?
Allison Mack: This next question is awesome. It’s if happiness was the national currency what would make you rich? And I think the answer to that question is bringing together the people that I love the most in order to have a good experience somewhere doing something.
I love like putting together dinner parties. I love going traveling to the people. I love organizing spaces and experiences with the people that I care for the most that cultivate good relationships and it’s interesting because it’s kind of what I do with the Jness, the women’s organization that I work with.
We use these tools and these structures in order to organize situations and circumstances for women to come together and create incredible relationships.
So I guess I am kind of doing that and then on top of that performing. like I love to perform. Like, like can you tell? And I get to do that for a living and I get to do that for money and both things I do. So that’s pretty awesome. Hey this question is great!
So when I first came into Jness I had just come out of a relationship and I was feeling very scared and lost and confused.
Like oh my gosh am I going to be single forever?
Am I ever going to be able to have a relationship? What’s wrong with me? Like blah! All this stuff and ah very shortly into the program I started to recognize and experience that what I was looking for was not about a relationship. What I was looking for was about an experience of myself, in my life. And once I understand how to have that experience of myself in my life for me, I can then have the relationship I want, or not.
But I’m okay in either circumstance. And going through my life and going forward into my life in this place, with that recognition, I feel like the possibilities are endless. And I feel like I have no fear in shooting for what I want. Ideally there is no reason to settle because anyway I look at it I’m going to be good. That’s awesome.
So before Jness I had tons of people around me all the time. I’ve always been a people person. People used to come visit me at my house and say they were going to ‘Camp Allison’ because like it was always a party everywhere I went.
It was a party um but I felt very lonely and I didn’t understand why. That didn’t make sense to me. And I imagined the idea of like finding the most wonderful husband and then feeling intimate. You know finding that one best friend and then feeling like at ease in my relationships at least with just one person.
I was looking for one person. And I didn’t understand why I couldn’t get that. You know I was so good with people. I was so good with people in a living room but I was so bad at intimacy. The format that the Jness tracks offers with the men and the women and then this consolidated very intense structure where you are just diving into yourself and understanding how you relate to other people, helped me to reveal all of these areas of insecurity. Areas of just really basic confusion or lack of attention.
Like things that I had never thought about or looked at in myself.
The Jness tracks helped me open up and see, so that I could start to build a relationship with me and start to be honest with me and then practice being honest with all the people in the tracks with me. And then that expanded out and out and out and out into the rest of my life and now I have the most beautiful friendships with people that go so far beyond more than anything that I could have imagined.
And I have the most awesome experience with my family. And I can say, with total truth, that I look at men now and I’m not trying to find a future husband and that is very freeing. (giggling).
End of Allison Mack transcript
A few comments are in order.
Allison said that “no one is ever punished” or “told that they’re wrong or that they’re bad” in Jness and it may be true. But the direct offshoot of Jness, DOS, was punishing. It included paddling, being locked in dungeons, and doing midnight planks in the cold.
Something evolved out of Jness that became insanely punishing.
Allison said, “Watching the women that are involved in Jness completely transform and evolve in a way that is so pure …. lives… completely turn 180 degrees… and all of a sudden they come through Jness and they start working with us and in our community.”
Yes, many women were transformed from happy to ghouls for Raniere, including Allison. They went on sleep-deprivation schedules, and calorie restriction that prompted starvation mode in their bodies. And many of them got morphed into the Nxivm/ DOS community and suffered terrible consequences.
Jness was the soft version of DOS, meant to be a recruitment tool for Raniere to find “fuck toys.” DOS was its natural outgrowth.
Allison was a leader of both.
Allison said, “Jness is an organization that looks to all participants to be 100% responsible for themselves and their lives.”
Allison, however, when she said this, was clearly not 100 percent responsible for her own life. She belonged to Raniere and unless you think a slave is responsible for her life, the women of DOS were not responsible. They surrendered responsibility to their master. This is more of Raniere’s tricks. Whatever he taught, he meant the opposite.
He spoke of women being 100 percent responsible as his teachings for Jness when really he intended to take control of them. How much Allison understood is open to debate. I suspect she believed in what she was saying in her videos – maybe only because Raniere told her to believe it – and thought, in part, that she was trying to do good for other women and the world.
The other part of her, like Lauren Salzman, was out to curry favor with Keith. Trying to be number one, at or near the top of the harem. To be his favorite.
It seems the fundamental flaw with harems is that women in it constantly vie for the top position. In Lauren and Allison’s case, they were willing to do some pretty selfish things to be number one. Some illegal things too.
Raniere was good at giving them false hope that they could be number one and punishing them to make them behave better, more obediently.
Allison, as much as anyone, was willing to do almost anything to please Keith. She did not start out this way, but she got there over time. She became his slave. And she lost everything in consequence of this decision to surrender to him.
Allison said, “I love to perform. Like, like can you tell? And I get to do that for a living and I get to do that for money and both things I do.”
Sadly, Allison lost her acting career to dedicate herself to being Raniere’s cling-on. She quit her starring role in a hit TV show to be closer to Raniere and gradually lost all personal control of her life. After a while, she had to ask Raniere’s permission to appear on film or TV. Soon enough, she was not appearing at all.
Allison said, “And I have the most awesome experience with my family.”
Pathetically, this is the same family she betrayed for Keith by giving collateral, described by the FBI as:
(1) a letter regarding Mack’s mother and father that would “destroy their character”
(2) a contract that transferred custody of any children birthed by Mack to Raniere, if Mack broke her commitment to Raniere
(3) a contract that transferred ownership of Mack’s home if the commitment to Raniere was broken. [the feds have that now.]
(4) a letter addressed to social services alleging abuse to Mack ‘s nephews.
Lastly, Allison speaks of her relationships with men. “Am I going to be single forever? Am I ever going to be able to have a relationship? What’s wrong with me?”
She came to learn, she says, through Raniere’s grand teachings that “What I was looking for was about an experience of myself, in my life. And once I understand how to have that experience of myself in my life for me, I can then have the relationship I want, or not. But I’m okay in either circumstance. And going through my life and going forward into my life in this place, with that recognition, I feel like the possibilities are endless. And I feel like I have no fear in shooting for what I want. Ideally there is no reason to settle because anyway I look at it I’m going to be good.”
And what she wanted was the Beast of Clifton Park. The ideal man in her eyes.
“And I can say, with total truth,” she said, “that I look at men now and I’m not trying to find a future husband and that is very freeing. (giggling).”
That’s true. She found her man and was not allowed to be with any other man. She would have 1/20th of a man, be one of 20 women sharing one man, who she believed had a great message for the world.
Judging Allison Mack
When I consider the sad story of Allison Mack, I see part sincerity, part insanity, and part greed.
She wanted to build a better world, no doubt. That is something she found was not so easy to do.
Her insanity led her to the Grotesque One and in her desire to have him more than others, she committed foul deeds and gross crimes for which she will likely go to prison.
Her great sin, in my mind, is weakness. She had beauty yes, Charisma, yes. Charm and gregariousness. But a weak mind. Not that she is stupid. She isn’t.
She just did not have a strong will and not enough self-respect, in my opinion.
If she had found a decent man, pliable Allison Mack might be free today, looking forward to the future in peace, contentment, and security. Maybe she should have married a minister. A minister would have been good for they are sure they are right and that’s what Allison needed, a man who is sure he is right and knows what’s best for her.
She clearly wasn’t born to be a teacher of women, except perhaps in the negative, as a cautionary tale. Like mothers tell your children, not to do what Allison has done.
Still, the more I study this case, the more I have come to believe that punishment is not what Allison and most of the others in Nxivm need. They need help, a chance to heal, a chance to undo what they have done.
I could see Allison in the future giving interviews, lectures, writing a book perhaps, making a documentary, trying to explain what happened to her so that it does not happen to others. That is the best future I can wish for her. She does not have to live in shame all her life. She might win the public’s forgiveness one day.
Nobody died. Some people suffered greatly, but – absent proof that she was part of Raniere’s recruitment of underage girls – there was no grave crime she committed. At the end of the day, adult women chose to do insane things.
It is insane to give collateral – even if you didn’t know Raniere was secretly in charge. Come on, giving graphic nude photos of yourself to Allison or Lauren, or anyone, and making confessions against your family or even agreeing to go into a room for 700 days. This is insane.
The lines are blurred between victims and perpetrators. Maybe everyone is a victim to a degree except Raniere.
But there is no blurring that the women were mentally unhinged – including Allison. Did Raniere, perhaps with Nancy Salzman’s hypnotherapy techniques, and Clare Bronfman’s money, do this to them?
Or were they predisposed to be unbalanced?
In my mind, there is little doubt that Allison was unstable, at least from shortly after the time that Nancy, Clare and Keith got their hooks into her. For this reason, absent some proof of greater crimes than joining a stupid and scary sorority and tricking some unfortunate and mainly unstable women to join, I lean towards leniency for Allison and hope that the court sees to it that she gets some mental help so that she never repeats this worst of all her performances.
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These people ALL, repeat, ALL chose to do this. She was a slave and slaves don’t have free will? She wasn’t a legal slave, like pre civil war! She chose this lifestyle! Stop making excuses for her! She came to this as an adult.
Even the ones with the stupid collateral hanging over their heads chose this. So what, if your nude pictures get released? Isn’t that better than say: Giving more nude pictures, and unwanted sex and a freaking brand? Oh, and by the way… we still have the ORIGINAL nude pictures.
Sadly we live in a nation and time where no one wants to take any responsibility for one’s actions.
It’s always easier to act like a moron and if things go wrong play the victim card.
Frankly, the women strike me as MORE responsible than Raniere. Save the Fernandez and Salzman sisters who grew up with this insanity and therefore kinda can’t be held 100% responsible, but didn’t the rest of them CHOOSE this nutty lifestyle?
See my above comment about collateral. None of these contracts are enforceable, the confessions are fake and meaningless, so that leaves the nude photos and pornographic videos. I can’t see those being worth going through all this. In this day and age with pretty much every famous woman naked on the internet, does anyone care anymore?
Smtolle writes: “Save the Fernandez and Salzman sisters who grew up with this insanity.”
Agree re: the Fernandez girls AND their brother, Fluffy. IDK where you’ve been but the Salzman girls grew up with their father and “chose,” as you say, their mother’s lifestyle with Raniere AS ADULTS. Further, it’s not likely they were ever subjected to the same degree of more forceful coercion methods — never spent a day consigned to or had their sibling consigned to a bare room, for instance — as the Fernandez CHILDREN were.
I didn’t know.
Look at the lead picture in this article:
It looks like Allison Mack is trying to grab something by the neck and strangle it.
And maybe bite it at the same time.
She has a vampire tooth adding to her general creepiness so it stands, to your
reasoning, that if she grabs a neck she will bite it…!!!
Welcome to brainwashing lesson #2843
Still no end in sight for Allison Mack. She will be worshipped by the earth, so sayeth the NwO. Speedy trial? Hah. No. Seems she will be receiving sainthood and charges dismissed somewhere in 2023
Courtesy of the Frank and whatever shady netwonk supplies him.
Brainwashing synopsis of titled work;
{ All females are victims. Especially the most heinous. }
$0¢!€+¥ is. A sick. Sick. World.
SalientTruth
Regardless of the odds, I will always stand up for the truth and what is right.
“In all things great and small never give up, never give in. Never, Never Never!” Winston Spencer Churchill
Which is why Allison will get a lighter sentence than the Manson girls for the degree of harm she did.
I think Allison will find her true love in jail. I’m sure there is the woman of his life. Many women leave prison already married.
I hope A.Mack does something worthy in prison like organise and direct a play. She could use her solid literacy skills to help a sizeable prison minority, struggling without. In these types of activities, she may begin to address her karmic burden and recognise her own humanity as legion, rather than some exalted delusion of grandeur. She needs rebuking for sure, but I don’t see her as beyond redemption. The punishment should fit the crime as plainly as possible. No special anything. She needs, as they all do, grounding.
One of the many accusations against Allison Mack is that she engaged in the unauthorized practice of psychotherapy.
A major point in Neil Glazer’s lawsuit was that many members of NXIVM believed they should give Psychiatric advice to people.
Most of this Psychiatric advice was asinine.
In Allison Mack’s case, she told a young woman who had been molested as a child that the way to overcome the trauma of that molestation was for the young woman to have sex with Keith Raniere.
Allison Mack is a very persistent Pimp.
Technically a madam, as a pimp would be a male (madam is the female equivalent).. but it’s all true
Why quibble, Ally Mack was born for the job:
Verb (slang) To act as a pimp; to pander.
Who’s your Mac Daddy?
“Mac Daddy” or Mack Daddy is a term used to describe a man with an unusual power over women, and is derived from the French and later Louisiana Creole patois term “maqereau,” which means “pimp.” Adding “daddy” makes it mean “top pimp.”Jan 22, 2013
The ’70s black-exploitation movie The Mack, a dramatization of the life of a street pimp, furthered the popularity of the term in urban America.
“Freddy got five chicks on the south side alone … he da mac daddy!”
https://www.zdnet.com/article/whos-your-mac-daddy/
Great article. I hope she’s the comeback queen. She really could be happy if she gets some counseling from a professional. Although she never did anything wrong to me, I forgive her. She’s facing her fears. She said she feared being hated. Well, when it’s all said and done she will be okay. She will be good. And your absolutely right, she never killed anyone. Screw it. Allison, if your reading this, I’ll love bomb your skinny ass and your ankles. I’ve always thought if you had met someone who truly loved you, you wouldn’t have followed that douchebag. You chose the wrong master is all.
I’d like to remind that a lot of the video post 2013 show the change (for those who know Allison)…
It is obvious (especially when you know what was happening in background) that many of things she said post 2013 are not really from her.
This is promotion material , no her absolute opinion…
“Allison said that “no one is ever punished” or “told that they’re wrong or that they’re bad” in Jness and it may be true. But the direct offshoot of Jness, DOS, was punishing. It included paddling, being locked in dungeons and doing midnight planks in the cold.”
But that is not Allison’s fault and back when this was filmed, it was true…It’s Raniere who put in place the punishment.
“Allison was a leader of both.”
Stop with that lie FFS…She wasn’t the leader of DOS and she wasn’t really the leader of Jness…That’s just BS made up by people who wanted to be at the head of Jness…
The trial CLEARLY showed that she wasn’t the leader of DOS but yet again, you ignore the FACTS and make your own stupid story…
Worst, you use a video that show that Allison is the opposite of what you continuously pretend she is but ignore that fact and twist the whole things to show something that isn’t true…
“Allison, however, when she said this, was clearly not 100 percent responsible for her own life”
This video was likely not from post DOS so this is a stupid comment…Althought she lost (slowly) her freedom and the control of her mind, It wasn’t like DOS period.
“The other part of her, like Lauren Salzman, was out to curry favor with Keith. Trying to be number one, at or near the top of the harem. To be his favorite.”
Here we go again with the BS…you can lie as much as you want and ignore the fact but this video is clearly not showing what YOU pretend…try to use you brain once in a while, please!
“Allison, as much as anyone, was willing to do almost anything to please Keith. She did not start out this way, but she got there over time. She became his slave. And she lost everything in consequence of this decision to surrender to him.”
See, you twist that (which is partly a fact) to say that it was willing…NO IT WAS NOT…It’s slow process of getting her under coercion and control…
She was much more of a victim as many of the victim and was less willing to do many things until she was coerced fully.
THIS is why she started to be linked criminally to the cult ONLY AFTER her COMPLETE COERCION…
You can ignore this but it just make you look further like an idiot!
“Pathetically, this is the same family she betrayed for Keith by giving collateral”
Pathetically you forget that Nicole did the same…Does that mean that she didn’t loved her family? no you idiot! THEY WERE COERCED!
You do understand that by accusing Allison of this , you accuse EACH AND EVERY OTHER VICTIM of the same?
And , once again, Allison had circumstances that explained why she did it!!!
She was starved for YEARS, many EM, Sleep deprivated and possibly drugged…Nicole wasn’t even under any of this when she did the SAME!
“And what she wanted was the Beast of Clifton Park. The ideal man in her eyes.”
you pathetic idiot…you can continue to pretend you know anything as long as you want but you are just a loser who create stories based on NOTHING.
“When I judge Allison Mack, I see part sincerity, part insanity and part greed.”
First, who are you to judge and second, you use a PROMOTION video to point “sincerity”?
And greed? where…SHE IS BROKE, WHERE IS THE GREED (and even in any other domain, she lost EVERYTHING)
“Still, the more I study this case, the more I have come to believe that punishment is not what Allison and most of the others in Nxivm need. They need help, a chance to heal, a chance to undo what they have done.”
And by accusing her of things she didn’t commit, you expect her to be able to heal?
Excuse me but are you that stupid? Allison need to be left alone (to be able to heal) and this is something you and some other idiot (including the biggest paid idiot around here, i name Glazer) refuse her!
Don’t pretend you have a heart because you obviously don’t give a shit about her nor any other victim in this case…
“She does not have to live in shame all her life.”
Excuse me but she already don’t live in shame…why should she? because she is a victim? then each victim should feel guilty?
She didn’t commit willingly anything…she was coerced, the only shame she could feel is because she didn’t listen to her own guts and got dragged in a cult.
Like any of the other victims…
NONE OF THEM COMMITTED CRIMES (atleast not willingly) and in a country where justice is applied properly, they would be considered as victims of a cult and nothing else.
“Nobody died. Some people suffered greatly”
No, nobody suffered greatly from HER action…she collected the collateral and that is ,at first, a decision they made…
Had she used the material against them, it would be different but she didn’t blackmailed them…Raniere did
If anything, the “some people suffered greatly” is mostly applied to Allison herself as she suffered the most of this.
Both mentally and physically and for YEARS…and even when she is finally out, she is still persecuted and deprivated from a victim position…
It’s like accusing a raped person from being the reason of her rape! And technically, she was raped (like the victim who were sexually abused by Raniere…YOU try to pretend she was in love but she had a relation ONLY AFTER HER COERCION…that is not love!!!)
“The lines are blurred between victims and perpetrators. Maybe everyone is a victim to a degree except Raniere.”
no they aren’t…you blur it but it’s clear
And Allison may not be a victim…SHE IS !
“Or were they predisposed to be unbalanced?”
Not Allison, she was balanced at first but felt like she could do more to be a better person and Nxivm used this against her…
“In my mind there is little doubt that Allison was unstable, at least from shortly after the time that Nancy, Clare and Keith got their hooks into her. ”
It’s a big statement which is partly true…unstable isn’t the right word, they happen to enter her life at a moment her long relation stopped…
She was down and they probably didn’t help her feel better about her situation.
BUT IT’S POST 2013 THAT SHE CHANGED…before that, she was still connected to reality (mostly…she was refusing to see the fact that it was a cult,after all)
” I lean towards leniency for Allison and hope that the court sees to it that she gets some mental help”
Wow, unexpected after the twisting of fact…in reality, now that she is out of Raniere (and other) mental abuse, she is healing…
What she need is to be with people who TRULY care for her and help her understand WITHOUT JUDGING HER how to fix the damage…
Psychologist would help only to a certain extend and at this point, she don’t need it all that much but need people who care about her and help her to get back to her REAL self.
Maybe also some help to find confidence about who she use to be and she learn to trust her gut feeling as she was right at first…
She need to get back into control.
More inconvenient truth for you, unfortunately:
Vicente, a former board member of NXIVM, testified that Mack appeared to be “at the top” (of “an alternative stripe path”) and
“eventually became a proctor. She was one of the heads of Jness… she was one of the leaders. She was [also] the head of humanities in Albany.”
Even as of 2019, as found in the WayBack machine, the text on the main page of Jness’ website reads like a Mack blog entry:
“On a spring day in 2006, in a car, driving down the highway, this was the topic of discussion amongst 3 dearest friends; Pam, Marianna, and Keith.”
A couple of years earlier, the site gives this biography of her under Leaders:
“After Allison finished her first Jness weekend six years ago in Vancouver, BC, she felt so transformed by her experience that she hopped a plane to New York the next day to find out more. Even though she had already built a successful career in the film and television industry—culminating in a 10-year stint starring in the hit TV show Smallville—Allison was in a place where she was looking for more meaning in her life, and she saw Jness as a way to find it.
Since then, she has helped launch Jness on both coasts of the U.S. and Canada, sharing her passion with every woman she meets. A natural creator of community, Allison heads up the Humanities division of the Jness Executive Board.”
The only other division head listed is Daniela Padilla, for education.
Also, interestingly, it seems somewhat like another of NXIVM’s typically amateurish and hapless endeavors, with a website blog that only ever had a single welcome post added to it in 2013, suggesting a lack of follow-up and professionalism.
Vicente, a former NXIVM board member, testified that Mack appeared to be “on top” (of “an alternative path”) and
“He eventually became a supervisor.” It was one of Jness’s heads … it was one of the leaders. She was [also] the chief of humanities in Albany. ”
you think Vicente’s opinion says it all
AnonyMaker, I remind you that you are talking about a guy who was listed as one of the SOP heads.
-that appears in Keith’s now infamous video talking to him about the use of the word “official” and how he had perverted it.
and that is just to mention a few things, for example, we never clarified why allison was jealous of his wife bonnie
on the other hand the list of JNEES executive leaders included
Pam cafritz
Mariana Fernandez
Nancy Salzman
Lauren Salzman
Allison mack
Sara Bronfman
Barbara Bouchey
Daniela Padilla,
Toamando tells the testimony of Daniela F. about how she and her sisters entered the intimate circle, makes me wonder how it was that he saw Allison on the top of an alternative road and saw him with Mariana or Daniela Padilla, I also wonder what happens With the photo shown by prosecutors during the trial that indicates the order of women in the intimate circle, Allison is not in the first place and definitely not above Lauren.
Lauren’s testimony, if it is of any use to you since you ignore it enough, indicates that the 8 frontline women only respond to Keith and no one else, so Allison was not and could not be like number 1, the idea that she He was the leader of DOS and was shown as a Keith squirrel to hide his own leadership from most of the women who were not part of the intimate circle or the haren.
Now if you say that Allison wanted to be number 1, I can’t deny it but it wasn’t the game that Keith played with all the women.
Vicente, who certainly wasn’t someone who wanted “to be at the head of Jness”, testified that “She was one of the heads of Jness” and “appeared to be “at the top” (of “an alternative stripe path”).
Edmondson, who was content running the Vancouver center and not vying for any larger role, wrote “she’d now replaced Pam [Caftiz, infamous wing woman, and procurer – including of underage girls] as Keith’s number one”
When Raniere was arrested, Mack was reportedly left in charge of DOS – she formally outranked Lauren Salzman, another indication of her key role – until she herself was detained. So that pretty much puts her at the head of DOS among all the women, exceeded in authority and role only by Raniere himself. She wasn’t just one of many slaves and victims, she was Raniere’s right-hand henchwoman who helped victimize others.
By your (il)logic, the Manson family murderesses should just have been let go because they were only doing what they had been told, and even brainwashed, to do. Obviously, that doesn’t wash.
The Manson girls stabbed several people in cold blood and were doing drugs before they committed the crimes, far from what Allison has done. Just shows again what an idiot you are analy maker.
According to his (il)logic, the murderers of the Manson family should have been fired because they were only doing what they had been told, and even had been brainwashed. Obviously, that does not wash.
You are the one who is placing that analogy, not me!
I mentioned that Mark Vicente is not a witness of great importance since he forgets to mention many of the things that would put him in a position of suspicion,
-he was a member of the executive board of NXIVM, and it has been mentioned that all the high ranks were involved or had knowledge of many illegal activities as well as Keith’s behavior, or were enablers.
-He was one of the heads in SOP the male version of DOS, along with other good guys, like Jim Del Negro, Mark Hildreth, Lucas Roberts, Emiliano Salinas, Omar Boone, Edgar Boone, that Indian guy who wanted to have Allison Mack, so his view of the alternative path of the striped path taken by Allison, shows that he is very short-sighted, in fact, he only saw this because of all the other women who were part of the intimate circle, Allison was the only one who seemed to be unbalanced, and that is why I call the attention that was accrued, but I never question the merits of other people, such as Sara and Cleare or the same pam.
– I mentioned Lauren’s testimony, because as one of the women of the Haren, of the intimate circle, one of the heads of NXIVM, one of the heads of JNEES, one of the heads of TWO, would suppose that she has one more testimony significant about the role and authority that Allison could have in DOS and in the intimate circle.
-the information about Allison taking care of DOS, is NOT more reliable, than the one that said that Allison was the female leader of DOS, according to Lauren’s testimony the 8 frontline teachers only respond to Keith and no one else is saying that Allison is At the same level that Lauren and the other frontline teachers, now if we examine the source of both statements we will notice that they came from two women in DOS who served as informants for Frank and then also served for the FBI and as witnesses at the trial, I think You know who I am talking about, now if I am correct these two women only knew what was happening in the Allison slave capsule and did not know what was happening in the other slave capsules, so they did not know the real level of authority of the other leaders, remember that Allison’s idea as the leader was established as a fourth to hide Keith’s role or at least that was intended.
– As for Sara Edmonson, you should ask why she has not told what was happening in that slave capsule in which she was a 2 level teacher.
Hey, Allison Mack Fanboy:
Since the Bronfman sisters lost 100 million dollars or more in their NXIVM misadventure, maybe they are victims too.
To paraphrase Judge Judy, Stop Pissing On My Leg And Telling Me It’s Raining.
Allison Mack is a Lying Pimp Grooming Women for Sex with Raniere.
…and one of the name plaintiffs in your favorite lawsuit, Sarah Edmondson, recruited approximately 2,000 new members for the NXIVM criminal enterprise, Vancouver division. Somewhere at Cozen O’Connor, a young associate is calculating the economic (and other) impact on these 2,000 recruits.
No one wants this complaint NOT to result in a court trial more than Ms. Sarah Edmondson.
“Sarah Edmondson, recruited approximately 2,000 new members for the NXIVM”
Kristin Kreuk recruited Ally Wack
Who is worse?
That’s interesting, Witches. No news about that on the FR. Another sacred cow?
Did she really tell a girl molested as a child that having sex w Vanguard would cure her??
What a stupid woman Allison Mack is. This is what low self esteem can do to you. It is a breeding ground for destructive behaviour, to yourself and to others. Considering how many actors, those with an external locus of control, were involved with this NXIVM cult, speaks volumes.
Yes, Allison should have responded to the thousands of emails Shadowstate sent her while she was on Smallville. Sure the emails were creepy, and they were being sent by a man twice her age, and the older man seemed out of touch, maybe even housebound, but just possibly Shadowstate, whose fantasies of this younger woman served to replace the happiness he never knew as a teenager or young adult, could have kept CHLO-EEE (I mean Allison) away from NXIVM.
Shadow brings to mind Henry Thoreau, who once said: “The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation”. Shadow might not be a real man, but he seems extremely desperate.
Shadow, I will be emailing Mr. Glazer a compendium of your greatest hits from the Frank Report. I am sure he will be rather amused.
“Shadow, I will be emailing Mr. Glazer a compendium of your greatest hits from the Frank Report. I am sure he will be rather amused.” All Them Witches.
Go ahead.
Make my day.
After Glazer has filed a lawsuit accusing Allison Pimp Mack of being a sex trafficker, he is not about to object to anything I have said.
“Considering how many actors…speaks volumes”
Considering that there was more people in it who weren’t actors involved, it really doesn’t. Just because the actors were more famous than the others doesn’t mean there were a lot of them.
Actors have a need to feel important. Members of cults need to feel important. Ergo… NXIVM would be the kind of thing a wannabe actor would be attracted to.
You say: “Members of cults need to feel important.” By far, most members of Nxivm are non-actors. Ergo…there is no evidence that actors need to feel important more than non-actors and are no more susceptible to Nxivm than non-actors.
FUCK OFF, “sultan” you irritating fart-under-the-covers, with your annoying attempts to sound intellectual.
If there were 20 ‘struggling’ actors and 20 non-actors, by far, NXIVM would get more recruits from the 20 actor group. As the numbers expand beyond 20, there will be fewer actors as there are fewer actors in the population. And actors, irregardless of their numbers inside the NXIVM cult or not, have a need to feel special.
Still masturbating to Kristin Kreuk? Loser.
Not me dummy. I wouldn’t actually know how many actors were in NXIVM. I just know some of the names via my fanship of Kreuk who was the most known of them to me. There was Mack, Clyne, Edmondson, Hildreth, Chang, Piesse, and who else? Maybe six others? What does that make? A dozen or so out of the hundreds who were regularly attending VanFake Week for several years?
But it’s funny that you think someone else’s simple use of logic is an attempt to “sound intellectual”. Maybe it was one of those “dumb” actors you were implicitly criticizing that was offended and responded.
Stop being you HAA.
Why are you laughing? There’s nothing funny in what I said.
Those are your initials HAA. Fitting too. You are a joke.
How would you know?