This is the next in our series on Lauren Salzman, as we cull her testimony in the trial of Keith Alan Raniere.
Lauren was a witness for the prosecution.
In our last post in this series, Lauren spoke about how Daniella, a Mexican woman who was in the country illegally, was to be confined to her room until she healed an ethical breach.
At this point in her testimony, Lauren had not explained Dani’s ethical breach, the reason why she had to be confined to a room.
I think it is best that readers know what it was. This way they can better judge the actions of Ranere, Lauren and Dani herself.
No one knew, including Lauren and Dani’s family, what Dani’s breach was. Lauren only knew it was severe and constituted an offense against the godly Raniere and also harmful to the community and, of course, to Dani herself.
Only Dani and Keith knew that her ethical breach was that she had kissed another man – Ben Myers.
Keith demanded that she agree to never be with another man for the rest of her life.
Dani said that if Keith could have other women, she too could have other men. She was repudiating Keith’s essential teaching that men are polygamous and women are monogamous. She was repudiating Keith’s vital teaching that once his miracle sperm was given to a woman, it set up a lifelong spiritual communion between them so deep and esoteric that being with another man could create a cataclysmic shift in world energies and result in grave harm to Keith.
For her part, as Dani told me herself in an interview long before the trial, she was willing to continue to have a relationship with Keith knowing he had a harem, but she was not willing to give up the chance to find a true relationship with another man.
She had kissed Ben Myers and planned to kiss him again and maybe do more than just kiss. Ben seemed interested in a relationship with her.
Keith was extremely wroth. This was a huge ethical breach. He did not want to drive Ben away from Nxivm for he needed him to illegally hack into his enemies’ and even his own follower’s computers.
So Keith demanded Dani never be with Ben or anyone else. She refused. Consequently, she had committed the most severe ethical breach.
But no one knew this. Dani did not tell it for reasons best known to herself, perhaps because she did not want her family to know she had been having sex with Keith since she was 18. And that her sisters, Mariana and Cami, were also having sex with him. The parents did not know that any of their daughters were receiving the miraculous sperm of the master.
Keith confidently knew Dani would not tell anyone about the real reason she was being sent to her room. They would all think it was something much more devious – like her stealing or lying.
Keith could play the upright savior, putting Dani in her room for her own good, for what was supposed to be a week or 10 days, but which strung out to 700 days, for Dani was stubborn and Keith even more so.
Perhaps he would have let her rot there for the rest of her life, if need be. He wanted to own Dani and destroy her of course, which was what was meant by his ownership of a woman. If he could not own her, he would punish her. She would have to leave Albany and go back to Mexico and never speak to him, the Nxivm community, or her family again.
What is interesting here is not so much Raniere’s cruelty; we all know and expect that. But Lauren’s willingness to go along with it.
In her testimony, she almost makes a clean breast of it, admitting she was a monster to Dani. She lets its slip as to the reason why: This was her project – assigned to her by Keith – to get Dani to heal her breach, without her even knowing what the breach was.
And Lauren was mostly worried that if she failed Keith, he would not have a baby with her. Once again, Lauren put her own self-interest, her desire to have a baby with Keith, ahead of all humanity.
She let a woman rot in a room for 700 days, barely even seeing her after a time.
Imagine moving on with your life, doing your day-to-day events, and letting a woman remain alone, in solitary confinement, a woman you are assigned to help out, and not caring, only caring if you can get pregnant by your lordly master.
Not thinking one bit about the woman whose life is being wasted in a dull room month after month.
This is the true Lauren Salzman. Skip the tears that made the judge stop the cross-examination; skip the mea culpa, the ‘I thought I was doing right’ nonsense of her oft word salad testimony.
This is a woman who let another woman fester in her lonely cell and who went about gaily in life, thinking only of having the chance to be the incubator of his sperm.
Sick little Lauren Salzman.
As for Dani, the force for her being there was not a lock on the door, but the knowledge that she would never speak to her family again. Ever. If she left. Lauren knew this. They did not need a lock and key.
The punishment for not agreeing to be with Keith was the loss of her family and to be alone in the world, for she had devoted her entire adult life to Nxivm. She had no other friends, no money and she was not legally in the USA.
Dani’s family seems as villainous as Keith and Lauren. The parents had not one iota of protective instincts. They loved and trusted their Vanguard more than their own daughter.
AUSA Tanya Hajjar is examining Lauren.
Lauren had previously testified that Keith had spoken with her about accepting the “project” of overseeing Dani in her room.
Tanya Hajjar
Q … I agreed to take the project based on what he laid out; he told me he was going to call me back, and then he called me back and told me that the family wanted to go forward with this plan [of Dani being confined to her room] and the parents came over to my house and met with me.
Q The defendant told you that the family wanted to go through with this plan?
A Yes.
Q What happened when you met with the family?
A Hector and Adriana [Dani’s parents] came to my house and they told me that they felt that this was a good option because Daniella – they didn’t know how to handle her, basically; that they felt that it had gotten to the — it had gotten out of control and they felt responsible for her being this way, and so they thought that this was a good option and that they were going to present her, basically, with the ultimatum that she would go into her room until she came up with something that was acceptable to them and — or go back to Mexico.
And then there was an additional conversation that I had with Keith before they actually presented the plan to her that he said the family was concerned that she might extend the time in the room or view it as a type of vacation; and so in order to make it less comfortable and to inspire her to want to get out of the room quickly, they were going to remove anything comfortable from the room.
So the idea was that she would go into a room with nothing in the room except her bed — like, bed on the floor, paper and pencil, and nothing else — her clothes, you know, and not come out until she had met these conditions of satisfaction.
Q The defendant told you that the family had that concern?
A Yes.
Q What was the family’s — the members of — what was their demeanor as they were discussing this with you?
A That they seemed sad and ashamed about their participation, but that they felt that this was an important thing to go forward with, but there was trepidation; they weren’t — they were going to go forward with it, but they didn’t seem — they did not come across to me as super confident and secure in the choice or understanding of how their actions really related to what was going on with her and how this would fix that.
Q Did the defendant appear confident and secure in that choice?
A Yes.
Q Did the defendant ask you to keep this project a secret?
A Yes. He told me not to tell anybody about it, not to discuss it with anyone.
Q What about your communications with him about it?
A When I would check in with him about it, he would suggest I come over and check in in person. He told me to: ‘Better not talk on the phone, come over. Do you want to come over?’
Q As to the initial plan, how long was Daniella supposed to stay in the room?
A Keith told me initially he thought it would be, like, a weekend but that she might extend it to a week or ten days.
Q And what happened?
A She stayed there for 18 to 24 months, somewhere in there, a year and a half to two years. [actually 22 months]
Q Can you describe how Daniella entered the room?
A Yeah. Well, she — so the parents gave her this option, she decided she did want to go — that she didn’t want to go back to Mexico, so she agreed to go into the room, and I think she also seemed sad about what was being presented, but she did go in.
A At some point, that became what my understanding was and hers. I think initially it wasn’t, but I think it became that; that if she went back, she believed that they would — she would lose her relationships with her family, and she was very concerned about that, losing their love, which to her was both the relationship with them and the love of their relationship and their support, which she had never lived without — their financial support. She had never lived on her own without that.
Q What was in the room?
A A bed on the floor and that’s it. I mean, she had paper and — access to paper and pen, pencil, and she was brought food three times a day. She was told that she was allowed to — she could request food from her family members and they might honor those requests or not; she could communicate with them through notes; and the family said they were not going to communicate with her — later some of them did, but that was it.
Q Was any furniture in the room?
A No. Just the bed on the floor, mattress on the floor.
Q Was Daniella permitted to leave the room?
A Only — she was permitted to go in her room and the bathroom, which was a shared bathroom with the family.
Q Aside from her room and the bathroom, was she allowed to leave?
A No, not if she wanted to stay in the United States.
Q And did you tell her that she would be — that she would have to go to Mexico if she left?
A Yes. I told her that ‘this was the agreement that you made, that you would complete this. If you want to stay, you complete this.’
Q And did the defendant tell you that?
A Yes. And he [Keith] told me to tell her that she didn’t have to stay in the room, she could just go back to Mexico.
Q Did Daniella have any human contact during the time that she was in the room?
A Only with me and then later with some — with her siblings at the end, only towards the very end.
Q What did she do during the day?
A Different things: She — she wrote to Keith every day, sometimes multiple times a day; she did exercise; she cleaned her room and the bathroom. She thought. Sometimes she did propose things that she thought could rectify whatever her infractions were that she had, you know, done or allegedly done, and that she — and a lot of times she watched her sister [Cami] outside the window, but sometimes she told me she wasn’t doing anything and she had various — there were different things she was going through in the room. She had different health struggles in the room, and emotionally it was very difficult for her at times. Sometimes she was more resolute about being there.
Q The things that Daniella proposed, did you bring them to the defendant?
A Yes.
Q What did he say?
A It depended on the thing, but, I mean, there were different times where I would spend with her and I thought that we had made progress and he told me that she had just been manipulating me for hours and I couldn’t see it.
Other things that were proposed, he said she was trying to get around having to really do what it took to fix it. Certain things she was expressing he told me were temper tantrums, but that a lot of this was just game-playing and that it was very difficult for him, basically, that I wasn’t able to negotiate this or figure this out and that the family also was not able to negotiate this.
You know, so I felt that somehow I was screwing it up in my ineptitude and my failure to be able to see what was going on, which he seemed to think was so obvious was thwarting the process somehow.
Q The things that the defendant said about Daniella game-playing, did that correspond to what you were observing?
A It didn’t initially, and then I came to see everything she was doing as game-playing, and I — it’s my experience that the family did, too.
At some point, almost everything that initially we had thought were her efforts and we had raised as her making legitimate attempts to meet the requirements, later, all of us, almost everything she said, we were like, ‘No, no, that’s not the measurable thing; no, you’re not doing what’s required, no,’ and we saw everything that she was doing at the end as game-playing.
Q You said that Daniella’s siblings brought her her food.
A Yes.
Q Could they interact with her when they did that?
A No. The agreement was that they were not supposed to interact with her.
Q When you say “the agreement,” what are you talking about?
A They made an agreement with Dani that she was going to go in and they weren’t going to communicate with her until she came out, but when Adriana, the mom, was communicating with her, Keith would tell me that that was not what was agreed upon and that Adriana was going back on what she said and that she was thwarting the process.
Q So when you say “the agreement,” are you referring to the fact that if Daniella left the room, she would have to go back to Mexico?
A Yes, and the conditions of that, which were that she was to go into the room with no contact with anybody but me.
Q Was Daniella sad?
A Often she was sad, yes. It was really — it was really — those relationships were very important to her, and she — it was very hard for her to not have communication with her family during that time. She expressed that she didn’t know how to heal things if she wasn’t interacting with them, and so she felt like she didn’t know how to make things better without the relationships, and she didn’t know if she could be okay or survive without the relationships emotionally or materially. So that all was very upsetting to her.
Q Did she tell you she wanted to leave?
A Yes.
Q Did she tell you she was afraid?
A Yes.
Q Of what?
A She was afraid of losing the relationships and she was afraid of what would happen if she went back to Mexico. She was afraid if she went back to Mexico, that she would lose the relationships. And she was afraid that she wouldn’t — didn’t know how to survive without her family. And also she, I think, viewed failing, this is — as she didn’t want to lose the relationship with Keith either and she still very much wanted that.
Q Did you threaten her that if she left she would be sent to Mexico?
A Yes, I did.
Q And during this period of time, did you report to the defendant?
A Yes. Every time I interacted with her, I did report to him.
Q And what did he tell you in these reports?
A Similar to what I said before. I mean, that, you know, sometimes he would be thinking about what — what should be done. And sometimes I would ask him for direction. Often he would say that I couldn’t tell her what to do, but that there were these markers we needed to look for and everything that we presented as a marker was not a marker and not being a marker and was just more game playing.
Q Can you explain what that means?
A Yeah. That there were measurable things that we were supposed to be looking for. And like at one time he was like, ‘Well, if I was in the room I would be writing letters to everybody, you know, and doing things.’ But she was writing letters and she was also told that she wasn’t supposed to be communicating with anybody. So there are contradictory signals, but she was writing him every day, sometimes multiple times a day. And often he didn’t even read those letters. He asked me to hold the letters.
So I don’t know how he would have known if there were markers if what I was communicating were not markers and there were these markers that could have been seen. And she was trying to write to him consistently, and he wasn’t looking at what that was, how he would know if really she met the markers.
Q What happened to the letters that Daniella wrote to the defendant while she was in the room?
A Well, initially, me or her family members would photocopy them for her to keep a copy and then I would take a copy to Keith, but he asked me to hold them. So I held most of them. And he gave some to Nicki [Clyne] after he was — or after he left — or when he left for Mexico. And then after he was arrested, I photocopied and made them available [to the prosecution].
Q Were some of those letters unopened?
A Most of them were unopened. So I opened them, you know, and provided them as material [for the feds].
Q How long did Daniella stay in the room?
A More than 18 — around — or more than 18 months. It could have been up to two years. She was in there forever — I mean, a really long time.
Q How often did you visit her?
A At first I visited her every day. And then I went less, once a week. And there were times, you know, and then less and less and there were times where I didn’t go, honestly for — for a month or more.
Like I — I was really mad at her for not figuring out whatever she was supposed to be doing to end this for herself and for all of us, and I was mad because I thought she was playing games and being manipulative with me and I couldn’t figure that out. And I felt mad that now I was in a position to fail again and be the reason that nothing can move forward, or that I’m blamed for the bad things that are happening in the community or for the fact that we [Keith and Lauren] can’t have a relationship or kids.
And honestly, I was very incredibly discompassionate with her and I was unkind often. At time I punished her. You know, it was terrible.
Q How do you feel about participating in this now?
A I think it’s horrendous. I — of every — of all the things that I did in this case and the crimes that I committed, too, I think that this is the worst thing that I did. I — I don’t know what to say. I kept her in her room for two years, and I didn’t even go visit her most of the time. And I wasn’t that nice to her and it’s awful.
And the family, they were close as a family when they came to us. And those relationships were incredibly severed through this and other things that happened. And I don’t know how you can ever recover from that. And I don’t — it’s something I really struggle to come to grips with and figure out how to fix. I think it’s terrible.
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There it is, “Of all the things that I did in this case and the crimes that I committed, too, I think that this is the worst thing that I did.”
A couple of other points: Lauren testified that Keith told her that it was Dani’s family’s idea that there should be nothing in the room except her bed on the floor, paper and pencil, and nothing else.
I suspect that it was Keith’s idea and he suggested it and they went along with it for they knew he knew best.
When Lauren testified “I would check in with him about it, he would suggest I come over and check-in in person. He told me to: ‘Better not talk on the phone, come over. Do you want to come over?'”
He knew what her answer to that question would be. Did she want to come over? She lived for that one word of being called.
Lauren never missed a chance to come over or be with him. In this respect, that she had a chance to come over more often made the confinement of Dani an attractive thing for Lauren.
Keep in mind that all the while Dani was in the room, as Lauren knew, Keith was living with Dani’s older sister Mariana.
And later as it developed that Dani was not going to get out of the room soon, and Keith was no longer interested in having her come over to discuss Dani’s situation, Lauren visited Dani less and less.
For why waste time on a little girl in a room when Lauren had to connive other ways to please her hoped-for avatar baby father.
God, what an awful mother she would have been.
With all this said, by the way, and although I am no fan of Lauren Salzman, I do not think she should be harshly punished. She is what she is, and a prison cage is not going to change that.
Nor is she a terrible menace to society.
There is a chance she might hook up with another psychopath and do foul deeds for him. But she is now well known and beyond the avatar baby stage. She is too well known as a freak, or a crazy to ever win back obscurity.
She will be always known as a fool and a weasel who would do foul deeds for her slick advantage.
But at the end of the day, is she really someone that society needs to cage for an excessive period of time? It might be far more productive to get her serious therapy.
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She should be tortured as mercilessly as she tortures her eyebrows.
Absolutely disgusting. And two years of that girl’s life has been lost.
Good reporting, Frank. Great commentary. I think I would have not realized that Lauren did everything to have the child.
I think Frank realized that Lauren wants to be dominated. So he is charming her.
If Lauren Salzman were a man, none of you including Frank and Nutjob would feel a tinge of sympathy for her.
Lauren Salzman deserves 3-5 years in prison.
More than that.
I mean you could argue that Dani’s dad did similar to Lauren and almost no one is talking about him.
I think to understand him you have to think about the following scenario: “if the children of Ex-president George Bush were part of a self-help group, as well as the children of the owner of the New York Times,” would you accept the group? That was what Nxivm looked like to Mexicans. There are people like this who don’t question things. They follow what people say is popular, what celebrities define. That was Dani ‘s dad. I think a lot of people would do similar to him. They would follow what the media, celebrities tell them. Dani’s dad was wrong. I hope he starts thinking on his own. It must be hard however to see reality. 🙁
To Nutjob & Mexican Lady,
Lauren Salzman’s culpability is mutually exclusive of her parents’ culpability. Lauren knew Dani was essentially being blackmailed, threatened, and coerced into staying in a room under solitary confinement.
Both your arguments about who is guilty by level of degrees are immaterial. Lauren admitted to committing felonies.
My only point is Lauren deserves jail time.
Dani’s parents, in my opinion, deserve jail time but they have not been indicted.
Lauren should not get off because Dani’s parents did.
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Nutjob, you previously stated you thought Lauren should receive no jail time. Do you still feel that way?
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PS. I am just debating the issue. Unlike others on this site, I am not obsessed with “punishment”. I am fine with the judge’s decisions.
I believe Lauren Salzman and Allison Mack deserve between 2-5 years.
Yes. Same with AM. They both have been punished a lot already. House arrest is punishment. Daily shaming on FR is punishment. Losing your dreams is punishment.
They both couldn’t zip their fly without Raniere giving them the ok. They both thought Raniere was the smartest man in the world, and were tricked into thinking it was their issue if they disagreed with him.
Keith wants to ruin people. He ruined Lauren and Allison. Throwing them in prison is piling on.
“If Lauren Salzman were a man, none of you including Frank and Nutjob would feel a tinge of sympathy for her.” Nice Guy
That’s true of all of these female defendants.
They are big girls and they all knew what sex trafficking is.
Not true at all, niceguy3.0. I have sympathy for everyone who got sucked in by Keith. (me defending Ed Kinum, if you want an example)
But since we’re on the topic of men and women…
Lauren was told by her “guru/smartest man in the world” that he AND Dani’s parents decided it would be best to confine Dani to a room. He asked for Lauren’s assistance.
Dani’s father was ok with Dani in the room. Dani’s mother was ok with it. At one point, Dani’s mother even moved into the room next to Dani.
While Lauren shares in the blame, I have her finishing a distant 4th on the list. Not even close to making it on the blame podium.
Scott Johnson is once again promoting himself and missing the point. Now AMWAY and MLMs are not subject of the article, which needs to be commented. And there are more than AMWAY and MLMs where people are being cheated. How about rent scammers ? The list is almost endless. Stop pestering us and insulting others, which is a constant in your comments. Someone else might take you seriously and take your cause seriously, but not like this.
He’s FUKING ANNOYING!!!!
Frank, please I’m on my knees begging please for the love of our precious sanity, please stop approving any comments by Scott if he mentions MLM’s or Amway. He needs to be deprogrammed and IMO, allowing this constant annoyance is not helping him heal. Please consider my request, Mr. Parlato. Maybe even a time out for a week or so. It’s not fair to the rest of us who come to learn about Nxivm and other interesting articles you so graciously bless us with.
Thank you for the consideration.
Sincerely, the sweetest Peach ever to grace the Frank Report
Anonymous 2-12 at 5:00 pm,
You are not the only one Scott Johnson has driven insane.
Roughly 4 years ago on another website; Scott Johnson drove the commenters so crazy that after 3 months the website administrator banned Johnson.
Below are the links to the start of Johnson’s thread and the end of his thread. In between Johnson drove everyone insane.
Your complaints mirror the commentators’ complaints on the other website. 4 years later and Johnson still hasn’t learned.
Below are the start and end of the Scott Johnson saga; a reign of terror that lasted 3 months.
Below is the beginning:
https://realscam.com/showthread.php?t=3101
Below is the end:
https://realscam.com/showthread.php?t=3101&page=34
Like an idiot, I click on niceguy’s second link. The first thing I read was posted in April 2014 by some bag named Textex.
“Textex says = “If you can’t pick up the phone, you’re a coward, shortfatboy. LOL
Come on Lynn the LOSER, answer the question I asked you on page 1 of this thread. LOL
Don’t be a bigger coward than the people who won’t make a phone call, but at least they post on the forum! LOL
But the bottom line is you don’t have a clue regarding the differences between a Ponzi scheme and an illegal pyramid. LOL”
You can’t make this up…
NutJob,
Scott Johnson is TexTex. I hope you’re being facetious.
Six years ago……Johnson was Braggadocio, rude, trolling, and unsympathetic to others. Basically the same old Scott Johnson that we all know today.
….And he can never figure out why people end up hating him, universally.
Scott Johnson is his own parable.
Nutjob- TexTex appears to be Scott Johnson. Why do you think Scott Johnson is so obsessed with people calling him on the telephone? Mr. Johnson harasses men and women with the only goal of receiving a phone call. Mr. Johnson must be a terrible lonely man. I feel so badly for him.
Humm. I was gonna guess it was Natashka, but I suppose Johnson makes more sense.
Scott is so obnoxious that people end up hating him more than Amway.
ROTFLMAO
I hope Amway pays Scott good money for his hard work on their behalf.
I don’t promote myself, I promote educating others about Amway and other MLM scams. Did you know that NXIVM was an MLM? Did you know that Salzman was a devoted NXIVM MLM follower? Are rent scammers an MLM? You can go after other cheating situations, I’m focused on NXIVM, Amway, and other MLM scams. Help make the MLM scams get shut down and I’ll stop “pestering” you. You didn’t even have the guts to reply to my comment. People are taking me seriously, but you aren’t one of them. I don’t take you seriously, either. If you can’t overlook my “style” while millions are being scammed, then you are a disgusting, pathetic, and fake human being. LOL
Are there any MLM that are not scams ? I feel inspired by Mary K. I love what she did with women
The only one I can think of from the perspective of having lots of retail sales to non-distributor customers, which is the the difference between a legitimate MLM and an illegl internal consumption pyramid scam, according to the FTC, winner of numerous court cases and settlements, is NXIVM. They “just” screwed up everything else. Mary Kay may be legitimate from this definition, but there’s lots of evidence that they aren’t: http://www.pinktruth.com/ Don’t fall for the feel-good stories, find out the facts. Mary Kay was probably the world’s most “successful” female scam artist, outdone only recently by the OneCoin founder. Google OneCoin, that’s another rabbit hole that goes on forever.
This testimony, from the previous Salzman story, isn’t consistent with other parts of her testimony pertaining to not knowing what the breach was,
“A So this was later, like, in two thousand — closer to 2010. He called me on the phone and said that there was a project and I should only take it if I really wanted it, and he told me that there were various problems with Daniella; that she had been — among other things, she had been stealing from the family — she wasn’t working, didn’t do the work that she had committed to do, she had said that she was going to lose weight but instead she had gained 40 pounds, and that she was stealing from the family – stealing food and locking the family out of the house, these various things — and so what he proposed was that Dani be given an ultimatum that she go in her room with no distractions and come up with a plan for how to fix this or — and that — or be sent back to Mexico.”
Good catch of a possible inconsistency.
However, I could see that quote as just representing the background that Raniere provided to Salzman, in order to get her to treat Dani’s more immediate supposed “ethical breach” seriously – while not knowing exactly what it was.
So this may just exemplify the way that Raniere manipulated information, including undermining people. But I also wouldn’t put it past Salzman to have spun her testimony in ways that we might catch.
These are pretty specific issues to be mere “background.” The “problems” included stealing, being lazy, gaining weight, locking people out of the house, etc., and to go into a room and “fix this.” Are these “problems” considered ethical in Raniereland?
Johnson,
A sincere bravo! Great observation. I am suspicious your wife may have helped you, but great catch all-the-same.
Scott is wrong. Lauren was not being inconsistent. She did not know the reason Dani was being locked up.
Lauren was told incorrect information (as Scott copied and pasted), and she believed it. As she testified, she DID NOT know the real reason Dani was there.
1. Lauren was told by Keith why Dani was there.
2. Lauren learned later why Dani was REALLY there.
So that Scott, his wife, Niceguy3.0, and the cheap seats understand – these are two totally seperate things.
Testifying about two seperate things does not make her inconsistent. If anything, Lauren was consistent in her testimony. Sure, maybe people can say she was angling for her benefit, but I’m not even really sold on that angle.
Nutjob is wrong. At the time, she thought she knew the reasons. Later finding out the real reason doesn’t mean she had no idea of why Dani was being punished.
All excellent points, Nutjob…
However, AnonyMaker may disagree…..
AnonyMaker do you have an opinion as to who is correct?
Thanks
Salzman is only well-known on this website, not in the public at large. Maximum time behind bars is the answer to give her time to figure things out, protect society, and serve as a deterrent to others.
“Keith demanded that she agree to never be with another man the rest of her life.”Frank Parlato
Serious question:
Does Keith Raniere qualify as a man?
As much as you do.
One Amway salesman (Scott Johnson) sticks up for another Amway salesman (Keith Raniere)
I didn’t stick up for either of you. Let me be clear: NEITHER ONE OF YOU ARE REAL MEN. LOL
Scott:
Real Men don’t fall for scams and then spend 15 years whining about it.
Suck it up and move on, Scott
Real men help others not fall for the scams they fell for, and help them get shut down. Frank is an example of a real man. Wimps like you couldn’t care less about others. All you can do is write numerous articles about Mack, and more recently, Clyne. In your mind, it’s ALL about you and your brilliance, Mr. Shadow. I’m not whining, I’m educating. Suck it up and get over yourself, Mr. Wimp. LOL
Scott you qualify for an Amway discount
I will soon mail off some additional vitamin proofs of purchase and get free vitamins. LOL
“Imagine moving on with your life, doing your day to day events, and letting a woman remain alone, in solitary confinement, a woman you are assigned to help out, and not caring, only caring if you can get pregnant by your lordly master.
Not thinking one bit about the woman whose life is being wasted in a dull room for month after month.”
Imagine all the commenters on Frank Report, moving on with their lives, doing their day to day events, and letting millions of people get scammed by Amway and other MLM scams, people they could easily educate, and not caring, only caring if they can make a smart a$$ comment on Frank Report.
Not thinking one bit about others whose lives are being wasted in debt and lost time for year after year, decade after decade, for the rest of their lives.
Out of spite for needing to read your douchebag comments, I went and signed up for Herbalife, Mary Kay, and got my friends to all join Amway with me. Tonight, I’ll purchase as much sales help as is offered from these great organizations.
But, while spiting Scooter, I feel I’m also helping out the poor saps in my upline. I DO care, Johnson.
You don’t need to read my comments, Nutjob. You run the risk of driving your IQ into double digits. LOL
You do know most MLMs prohibit joining other MLMs that compete with the products they offer, right? You would know that IF you had read your contracts/rules. LOL
I did not know that, as I joined in haste. Looks like I’ll need to pick one. I’ll follow yours and Mexican Lady’s advice and become an advocate for Mary Kay. I’m assuming my new Amway sales materials will carry over to Mary Kay? Thanks for your help.
I love Mary Kay 🙂
I picture Scott Johnson drunk, playing the violin, singing sadly about mlm’s and getting taken by Amway. Maybe some of you nice people out there can help me with the words to the song.
Interesting how you don’t have similar thoughts about what Frank wrote regarding Salzman. I know why, it struck home and you can’t handle your guilt, deep down KNOWING that I’m right. LOL
Imagine you, you scooter moving on with your life. If you believe you can achieve.
I did move on with my life, it includes educating others about Amway and other MLM scams. I’ve help numerous people from being scammed, but not enough. I believe I can achieve much more.
Scott,
LOL-LOL-LOL
You sure “moved on” to yet another new website/blog.
Scott Johnson: driving people crazy since the inception of the World Wide Web [old internet].
Interesting how you have an issue with me educating others about Amway and other MLM scams, yet praise Frank for educating others about NXIVM. I think you were crazy LONG before I came along. LOL
I’m not gonna reply to another ‘Lauren’ article again. Too many of them now.
Instead, I’m gonna put a bee in Frank’s bonnet for a future article.
I think that Frank has let Kristin Kreuk off too easily and has never written a ‘single’ article that connects all of the dots in chronological order, using an easy-to-understand format for the layperson to digest all of her NXIVM history.
Instead, he’s done things piecemeal for KK.
Frank needs to outline a single ‘NXIVM case history’ for Kristin Kreuk in a single article, written in chronological order, regarding all of her past NXIVM activities, her entrance and exit dates, her recruitments, her progression thru sash/stripe levels, her teaching activities thru the years, her alleged trips from Canada to the US and the alleged purpose of those trips (written as an opinion), her attendance at NXIVM events and even ‘hearsay’ (from 2nd hand sources) about when she truly left NXIVM and whether that matches the date she told the public she left. If using 2nd hand sources, hearsay or opinions then just state it as such and you’re fine (no need to conceal juicy details just because it’s from a 2nd hand source). She’s also a public figure and scrutiny of her behavior is allowed. Also, you should include a dissection of her final ‘tweet’ while analyzing why it’s deceptively worded to make her sound like a ‘beginner’ or ‘student’ — when in fact she was a teacher and a recruiter.
Is her attempt to obfuscate her level of NXIVM involvement the same as lying? I think so.
Is this a reflection of her true character? I think so. It needs to be explored.
*Yeah, I realize much of that has already been written by Frank before (several times) —– but not in a ‘single’ case history shown in chronological order, to make KK’s total activities easy to see from A-to-Z for a beginner/layperson who isn’t familiar with NXIVM’s details.
This article should include things like:
1) Her entry date into NXIVM
2) The circumstances of her entrance
3) The years she spent progressing thru sashes/stripes
4) When she first began as a teacher
5) How many courses she likely taught (based on hearsay/opinion)
6) When she first began recruiting other suckers into NXIVM
7) Who, and how many people she recruited over the years
8) Her attendance at NXIVM events to celebrate Keith
9) Her attendance at Necker Island and what it likely meant (opinion)
10) How she used her star power to aid the rise of a sicko like Keith
11) Frank’s opinion: But for KK, would NXIVM have had fewer victims?
12) Her self-serving final ‘tweet’ analyzed for its deception
13) When she likely cutoff all ties from NXIVM, using hearsay if necessary
14) Her post-NXIVM virtue signalling
15) Why she remained with NXIVM for so long (Frank’s personal opinion)
16) Anything else that Frank can find to take a swipe at her hypocrisy, lol.
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Part of helping to prevent this from happening again is to hold people’s feet to the flames, over and over again (every few months) so that nothing gets buried and forgotten about.
KK’s feet need to be held to the flames of truth and righteousness. 🙂
Frank needs to keep her NXIVM involvement visible so that it doesn’t get forgotten, so that lessons can be learned by others. 🙂
Every few months you need to give the pot a ‘stir’, Frank, and revive this story.
PS — There’s more history of KK aiding NXIVM (for recruitment) and celebrating Keith (on stage) than there is of Trump aiding the Russians, lol, even though her defenders don’t seem to realize this factual tidbit. 🙂
In fact, Trump’s decision to tear up the Iran Nuclear deal made Putin fume with anger and was against his own wishes.
Likewise, Trump’s decision to bomb the Iranian General was against Putin’s wishes too — since he’s very cozy with Iran.
Likewise, Trump’s decision to begin a trade war with China (which helped decrease the US trade deficit a bit) was against Putin’s wishes.
I can’t find a single decision Trump’s made that actually benefited Putin or Russia’s interests. In fact, every decision Trump makes seems to be against Russia’s wishes. LOL.
Have a nice day.