This is Part 20 of the Lauren Salzman series. It is based on her testimony at the trial of Keith Alan Raniere. Lauren was a witness for the prosecution.
We are studying her testimony to try to ascertain whether she seems more a victim or a perpetrator. In this post, we learn that Lauren was branded on January 10, 2017. This is interesting for Raniere chose this date for her branding on the same date he chose Pam Cafritz’s memorial service.
Cafritz died in November 2016 – a fact that Raniere kept that hidden for several weeks – presumably in order to rearrange her finances and her will to suit him. Raniere inherited $8 million from Cafritz – her entire estate.
He finally told Nxivm members that she was dead and set the memorial for January 10th. He also set a branding session for Lauren and a few others that day. This is classic Raniere.
What is fun about this post is that Lauren reveals that Raniere was almost giddy about the branding – and the fact that he, a man, was the founder and head of a sorority. At Pam’s memorial service, he is privately showing Lauren that he finds this uproarious.
But he put on another face in front of the others at the memorial. He got up in front of everyone and made a touching, tender speech about Pam being his life partner – and he wept, yes he wept openly in front of his followers.
So much did he miss her [I think he might have killed her.]
And then he went behind the curtain and laughed heartily at the fun of Lauren and the other women getting painfully branded on their pubic region with his initials and how they were his slaves.
Lauren relates, along with how she put together her collateral. And in one rather sickening section, she describes how Rosa Laura Junco [the woman who offered her virgin daughter to Raniere] explained to her and she evidently adopted it – hook line and sinker – how noble these women were to give up so much for their heroic endeavor.
Lauren wanted to be an “amazingly noble person,” of which there are “just a few people, and most of us know who they are that walk the earth.”
Poor sick Lauren.
AUSA Tanya Hajjar is examining Lauren on the witness stand.
In our last post, Lauren explained how she had pledged as first collateral damning information that Keith, her mother, Nancy Salzman and she had conspired to both forcibly and surreptitiously administer Valium to a Mexican student who was acting up. That collateral was rejected because it could get Keith in trouble.
Q And at that time, did you believe your collateral would be released if you violated The Vow?
A Yes. And to me that — that whole thing speaks to if he’s planning on releasing the collateral, but this one [the collateral about the Valium] he couldn’t release because it would hurt him, so I would be able to get off the hook. So I needed to submit something that wouldn’t hurt him so he would be sure to feel good releasing it, if I ever break my vow.
Q Did Rosa Laura suggest something else as collateral?
A She suggested naked pictures.
Q Did you ask her if she had taken any?
A I did. Because that wouldn’t be something I normally would do. And it was just an unusual request and I felt very vulnerable doing something like that. ‘Is that something you had done?’ [I asked Rosa Laura] Just so I know where it came from. The only time I had ever done it was when Keith took pictures of me and I was very uncomfortable about that even with him.
So she said, yes, that she had done that. And for me, that made a big difference because Rosa Laura was very conservative and came from a very conservative background. So when she — if she had done it, then I was like, well, okay, I mean if you’ve done it, you feel confident.
And I asked her, too, like what’s going to happen to the pictures? And she said, ‘Don’t worry, they’re going to be safe and secure.’ She was going to keep it in a box safe in her house and nobody was going to ever see it. And I was like, okay, and so then I did that. I took, I believe, three pictures of myself that I put on a USB drive and I gave them to her.
Q After you gave Rosa Laura Junco the drive with the naked photographs, what did you do next, what happened next?
A Then once I did that, she told me — she gave me the DOS pitch. She explained to me the concept of the vow of obedience. That this is a lifetime vow of obedience. I asked if it was to her, and she told me it was to Keith. And that — she explained the concept that he would be my master and I would be his slave, and the idea that having a master in your life is to help you learn to become a master in your own life, and that we’re all slaves of something. That we serve something in our life. And we could learn to serve our issues, or we could learn to serve our principles. So that this was about learning to — how to serve our principles with the highest value.
And she told me that there would be a collar, which initially I did interpret to mean like a BDSM collar. But then she told me that was not what she meant, that she meant a piece of jewelry that I wouldn’t take off that symbolized my chain to my master.
And she explained that there would be a brand. And that the brand — the idea of the brand was to memorialize on our body our promise to ourselves that we made for this lifetime commitment to our growth and to our master.
And this idea that to serve our highest principles ultimately at some point, if you’re going to be noble in your life, if you look at people who have been noble in life, like they’ve gone against tremendous adversity. You know, it’s not just everybody that we can say that amazingly noble person, there’s just a few people, and most of us know who they are that walk the earth that we look at and pulled out as these respectable people who are upheld, incredible noble principles against adversity.
And they did so in the face of being sometimes murdered or persecuted or these types of things, and that to become that type of a person you have to go through experiences that are difficult or that are painful.
And this is something that we had studied in ESP and something I taught in my curriculum. I was very familiar with the concept. I was very enrolled in that idea of doing hard things to become somebody who could do hard things when it was most important in doing hard things to uphold your most –your highest ideals.
And that going through the branding was an experience of overcoming pain for this principle. And the principle was this principle of love and of a sense of self.
And I was concerned about the brand, like I — that was not something that I ever, you know, thought of. But when she gave me that explanation for it, like I don’t have any tattoos, it was — I would never have gotten something like that. But when she explained it like that, the idea of overcoming pain for a principle was compelling to me.
Q You mentioned that you were enrolled in that idea. What does that mean?
A Yeah. Yeah, you could say — or I came to agree with it and support it. And I wanted to go forward with that. So I said, yes.
Q Was Rosa Laura branded at the time?
A Yes, and she showed me her brand. And she asked me if I knew what it was and I couldn’t — I didn’t know what it was and she pointed out it was Keith’s initials.
Q But when you looked at it at first, you couldn’t tell what it was?
A Correct.
Q At some point later, did Rosa Laura Junco tell you anything about whose idea the brand was?
A Yes. I mean I had — my understanding was that the women had decided that they wanted to be — some women who were not — I was never told who the women were, but that the women had decided, like somebody wanted to get a tattoo at some point and then another person said that we should get a brand because even tattoos could be erased or there’s some impermanence now. So a brand would be more permanent. And that the women had decided this.
And after Keith was indicted and arrested, arrested and indicted, I said something to Rosa Laura about it, and she said the women didn’t choose it, ‘why would we ever choose something like that? Who would choose that?’ And she basically said, ‘you know, Keith wanted us to do it. That’s why we did it. None of us would have ever come up with the idea that we would brand ourselves. That’s crazy.’
Q Initially were you told about the existence of other women in DOS aside from this initial group?
A I believe I was told there were some but I wasn’t told who they were. But not that I was being invited as a founding member, which is different.
Q And beyond the naked photographs, did you have to submit additional collateral?
A Yes.
Q And what kind of things did you submit as collateral?
A Basically everything material I owned; my finances, my investment accounts, my two homes, two cars, all my art, anything that I owned. And then I believe I also made commitments that I, you know, would resign from my positions, these types of things. It was — it was I would give up everything that I held dear to me – in my life.
Q Did you in a document list all these things?
A I did. I believe I sent it in a Telegram initially. Yeah, that’s what I believe that.
Q Did you, in fact, get branded?
A I did, yes.
Q And how soon after you agreed to join DOS were you branded?
A Within like 48 or 72 hours. It was very quick.
Q When was your branding ceremony scheduled for?
A January 10th, 2017.
Q Did it coincide with something in particular?
A It was — it coincided with the first night of Pam’s memorial.
Q This is Pam Cafritz, the woman who died a few months prior?
A Yes.
Q Did you have a discussion with the defendant at the memorial service?
A I did, yes. Yes.
Q Can you explain what happened?
A He was asking me about the branding ceremony, like, ‘so tonight is the night we’re going to do?’ And he was like very excited about it. And he was similarly excited like when he told me he started a sorority, he laughed about it. Like this was some really strange and unusual funny thing or — but to me it wasn’t because everything that we had done in 20 years were all things that Keith had started. So it wasn’t a different type of thing in my mind. He started everything. So him starting this was not unusual.
And I had been in a sorority in college that was co-founded by a man. So it wasn’t like even to me that a man might found a women’s organization. But his reaction to it was unusual. Because he wasn’t usually emotionally expressive in that way about the different things.
And his enthusiasm and excitement about the brand also stood out, because it was — like it stood out in contrast to — we were at some memorial service, it was very somber and sad and serious. So his excitement and enthusiasm especially stood out to me.
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Lauren is given to making such Kool-Aid-laden statements as “having a master in your life is to help you learn to become a master in your own life, and that we’re all slaves of something. That we serve something in our life. And we could learn to serve our issues, or we could learn to serve our principles. So that this was about learning to — how to serve our principles with the highest value.”
I think she really believes that.
And if she were to be free – I am betting she will opt to be a slave again to someone – for as she says “we’re all slaves of something.”
And she has good judgment on what or whom to be a slave to: So how about being a slave to a sick criminal warped psychopath sadist?
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Part 1: How Lauren Salzman Described Her Branding Session
Part 3: Lauren Salzman Describes Collateral She Got From Her Slaves, After Lying to Them About DOS
Part 5 Lauren Salzman and Her Slaves Got Bare-Ass Paddling
Part 6: Lauren Salzman Manages Her Slaves – With Cruelty and Insanity
Part 8: More Insanity: Lauren Salzman Touches Man at Volleyball; Keith Says ‘No Avatar Baby’
Part 9 Lauren Salzman Sent to Mind-F–k Gay Woman Who Did Not Want Keith as a Sperm Donor
Part 11 Lauren Salzman Explains Raniere’s Creepy Readiness Drills
Part 12 How Lauren Salzman Was Cheated Out of Motherhood by Keith Raniere and DOS
Part 13 Lauren Salzman Names Inner Circle and Keith’s Relationships With Them
Part 16 Lauren Salzman Reads From DOS Bible — ‘Women in Particular Are Miraculous Excuse Finders’
Part 17 Lauren Salzman Explains, Defends and Justifies Slavery – and Why It Is Good to Be a Slave
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Re Lauren Salzman’s Father:
I had forgotten Mr. Salzman. It’s easy to forget Lauren has a dad, considering all of the awful things we have learned about her. She actually has a normal father.
After reading this latest chapter I started thinking of Mr. Salzman. He had his baby girl stolen from him. She may be a grown woman now, but she will always be his daughter; the same way my 39 year-old sister will always be my baby-sister. My heart goes out to him. I cannot fathom the hell he has endured all these years.
I sometimes think of that – and wonder how “normal” Mr. Salzman really is, given that he was married to Nancy, employed (at least) one of the people involved in Snyder’s mistreatment and disappearance, and of course is the parent of Lauren. Sometimes children turn out quite unlike their parents, for better or worse, but I think we’re left to wonder in this case.
I do have sympathy for him, as his involvement in NXIVM seems to have been peripheral, and he must indeed be suffering in some way, or at least be mortified by having his family name dragged into the mire. Plus, of course, there’s the question of what is going on with the other daughter Michelle, and just what sort of person her husband, Ben, the former NXIVM computer tech, is.
And this is a reminder of yet another respect in which speculation here may have missed something obvious; people have wondered where Lauren is getting money for living expenses, but, of course, she has two parents, not just the infamous one, and it’s possible that her father is helping her out.
When will the sentence be to Allison Mack?
The date hasn’t been set yet. She is probably cooperating with the Feds to get a lighter sentence.
If you agree with a criminal psychopath and build your life around support for and adherence to the headmaster “demon” and his or her ideas, rules, instructions and dominion, does that make you innocent, for the results of your own thoughts and actions? After 20 years or so, can one say, “I had no idea what I was doing” when this has, in essence, been the sum total of someone’s lifelong endeavors? How about after eleven years or so, doing the same thing? How about 5 minutes of agreeing with this garbage!
Our nation has a terrible, terrible prison industry. It is hard with any good conscience to wish for anyone to be incarcerated, within the conditions which are allowed to be maintained. Personally, I get no pleasure out of thinking of any of Raniere’s co-defendants going to prison, even though each was caught red-handed for criminal action and decided to plead guilty, trying to minimize their culpabilities and their punishments.
Prior to Raniere’s trial getting started, the Hollywood Reporter, among other sources, printed some remarks from Rick Alan Ross about Allison Mack, who began her Nxivm “education” back in 2006. One of the things that he said was that Allison Mack was the Tom Cruise of Nxivm. Susan Dones was quoted saying that Raniere wanted the red carpet rolled out by his Nxivm cohorts to ensnare Allison Mack, after Kristin Kreuk got Allison to begin getting involved. Certainly, Allison fell for it. She bought the entire “I’m so special” bullshit grease job like a true sucker, like a true attention addict.
Allison was around 23 when she decided to get into all of this. This was about the same age that Clare Bronfman was when she was brought in by her older sister, Sara. Clare was snagged for wrapping up more money, and Allison was snagged for being seen as a very good selling “tool.”
My greater interest than seeing a delivery of punishment is for seeing any authentic rehabilitation. My opinion is that if someone is still committed to this way of life, that individual can be seen as a danger. They were willing to be completely committed to a criminal enterprise, which escalated into more and more criminality, perversion, misery and suffering, absolute cruelty.
Who will still live a life of lying, deception and fanaticism? Who is just as confused as he or she was before everything began to be exposed about this so-called hideously twisted “humanistic, altruistic” NIGHTMARE? Who has begun to do the work of breaking free, of learning to think for oneself, of seeing how rotten the choices really were, to follow a criminal for years?
Q/C means Question/Comment, A/R means Answer/Response.
Q/C: If you agree with a criminal psychopath and build your life around support for and adherence to the headmaster “demon” and his or her ideas, rules, instructions and dominion, does that make you innocent, for the results of your own thoughts and actions?
A/R: No.
Q/C: After 20 years or so, can one say, “I had no idea what I was doing” when this has, in essence, been the sum total of someone’s lifelong endeavors?
A/R: One can say whatever they want to say, but they are still guilty.
Q/C: How about after eleven years or so, doing the same thing?
A/R: See above.
Q/C: How about 5 minutes of agreeing with this garbage!
A/R: See above.
Q/C: Our nation has a terrible, terrible prison industry. It is hard with any good conscience to wish for anyone to be incarcerated, within the conditions which are allowed to be maintained.
A/R: The taxpayers don’t want to pay more and the terrible conditions are intended to be a deterrent. My conscience doesn’t have any problem with this situation. If you don’t want to do the time, then don’t commit the crime.
Q/C: Personally, I get no pleasure out of thinking of any of Raniere’s co-defendants going to prison, even though each was caught red-handed for criminal action and decided to plead guilty, trying to minimize their culpabilities and their punishments.
A/R: I get a LOT of pleasure from it.
Q/C: One of the things that he said was that Allison Mack was the Tom Cruise of Nxivm.
A/R: As far as I know, Cruise isn’t guilty of any crimes, unless ignoring criminal activity is a crime.
Q/C: Susan Dones was quoted saying that Raniere wanted the red carpet rolled out by his Nxivm cohorts to ensnare Allison Mack, after Kristin Kreuk got Allison to begin getting involved.
A/R: That’s how most MLM scams work, get a celebrity or other well-known and/or famous person to lend credibility. Drew Brees, the NFL quarterback with the most touchdown passes, consecutive games with a touchdown pass, yardage, and many other records in the 100 year history of the league hawks AdvoCare, which got rid of its MLM model during the middle of last year, and AdvoCare has a lot of other celebrities giving it undeserved credibility as well.
Q/C: My greater interest than seeing a delivery of punishment is for seeing any authentic rehabilitation. My opinion is that if someone is still committed to this way of life, that individual can be seen as a danger. They were willing to be completely committed to a criminal enterprise, which escalated into more and more criminality, perversion, misery and suffering, absolute cruelty.
A/R: Do you wish the same for Raniere? I don’t, I think the other prisoners will give them all of the “rehabilitation” they need if/when returned to society, assuming they don’t get snuffed out. Child molesters/rapists don’t have a long life in many prisons, it’s a virtual death sentence.
Q/C: Who will still live a life of lying, deception and fanaticism? Who is just as confused as he or she was before everything began to be exposed about this so-called hideously twisted “humanistic, altruistic” NIGHTMARE? Who has begun to do the work of breaking free, of learning to think for oneself, of seeing how rotten the choices really were, to follow a criminal for years?
A/R: Whover wants to go back to prison if/when they get out.
Scott,
It still has not occurred to you that you are a formal cult member?
Why do you believe you had “the wool pulled over your eyes” for so long?
There are only 2 answers. One you were dumb. The second because you were brainwashed. Which is it?
Formal or former? Please learn the big words, NiceGuy. LOL
Amway has cult-like aspects, but since cults aren’t illegal, there is little benefit to focusing on that aspect, especially when there are illegal activities occurring, so focusing on the cult-like aspects only diverts attention away from the law breaking activities.
I believe I was caught in a “perfect storm” including being approached by a co-worker, having two medical doctors and major airline pilots in my upline, there was massive growth at the time, and it was 1993, before the internet was available. I also have a well-paying job that allowed me to afford the scam for longer than most. However, it isn’t really about me, it’s about those joining today. Did you watch the youtube videos of Sarah? Do you have ANY curiosity to learn rather than rant?
I am neither dumb or brainwashed. But you are VERY stupid and dense.
Scott,
You are so dumb, you don’t realize you’re stupid.
You have now admitted you were fine with screwing people as long as you were making money or not losing money.
I appreciate your honesty, retard.
Spot on. The women are abuse victims. Each one needs therapy, not jail. I truly feel sorry for them.
The problem is: will they try and rekindle this toxic cult if allowed to simply walk free.
Think Manson girls.
The Manson girls still needed to be jailed – at least the ones that committed crimes. And the most dedicated, “Squeaky” Fromme and Sandra Good, while not part of the original trial, ended up spending significant time in prison for later crimes related to different aspects of their beliefs.
But the Manson “family” fell apart with the trial and jailing of the principals, and while Fromme and Good remained loyal the “family” never rekindled. These groups almost always dissolve once the spell is broken, and formerly enthralled members start to go their separate ways, some wising up and recovering from such influence while others “cult hop” and find new groups and gurus.
Still, the example shows that some dangers linger.
AnonyMaker,
You say over and over that “these groups don’t rekindle” and so on.
Probably so in a general way, but I do think you underestimate the Salzmans
It seems to me pretty clear that Nancy Salzman hooked up with Raniere and stayed with him, because she didn’t have the ability to create and run a group of any significant size on her own. She’d never been anything more than a nurse or counselor, in spite of previously being involved in NLP, where participants were encouraged to go on to become “trainers” and lead groups of their own. And now she’s aging, and has been unwell.
Lauren Salzman seems like the consummate follower, who let Raniere dictate all the details of her life from who she was involved with to her diet and grooming. She’s never demonstrated any sort of real leadership ability as far as I can tell; she was just a sort of manager in NXIVM, and perhaps something of a recruiter. After prison, when she may be on probation for a while, she’ll probably be looking for legitimate gainful employment or further education.
When such groups have rekindled, or there’s been a successful splinter, the history shows that it is almost always lead by someone who has had an important leadership role in the organization – sometimes so much so that they were seen as a challenge to the leader, and even forced out – plus charismatic enough to have had a real personal following. I just don’t see the Salzmans meeting any of those qualifications, they probably don’t have the financial means to start up something significant, and on top of it they’re virtual pariahs except among a small circle of old acquaintances.
But I do think there’s still good reason to be concerned that the Salzmans might go back to trying to peddle some sort of quack therapy and coaching, if only because it’s what they believe in and all they know to do.
Nancy was actually doing quite well working in the corporate world. She had successfully rebranded herself from just being a therapist. In addition to her therapy business, she was working with Con Ed and other corporate clients at the time of the ESP start-up. She didn’t need Keith and ESP. She shot him down for months when he was trying to get her to go into business with him.
Nutjob, that’s interesting to hear – it sounds like she was indeed following the NLP “trainer” route, then.
It still seems to me that she must have hooked up with Raniere because she felt he had what it took to make things far bigger than she ever could on her own. Do you have a different take on that?
However, just as ESP/NXIVM lost its corporate and executive clientele around the time of the 2003 Forbes expose’, Salzman will not only never get corporate clients again, she won’t get anyone who knows how to use Google. I don’t see what her future holds, except maybe whatever sort of job her old nursing credentials will get her when she has a criminal conviction unless she has friends willing to give her work without a background check.
And what does someone like Lauren Salzman do? Former members of Scientology’s Sea Organization are perhaps a relevant example, though they generally don’t have criminal convictions and a damning internet footprint; selling cars seems to be a typical point of re-entry into the real world for people whose experience is mostly in high-pressure sales and motivation.
Yes to going the NLP trainer route.
Keith got Nancy into believing in a noble mission, and that she would get rich in the process. She also believed his IQ story. She already knew about him because CBI had been so big in Albany area. Basically, he sold her. And yes, part of the sale had to do with her thinking she’d be rich.
Everything was always about the mission. Mission this. Mission that. But – although rarely talked about – the “I’ll get rich with this MLM thing” was in the back of some people’s minds.
To clarify – Most didn’t know the MLM structure was even a part of ESP. It was kept hush, hush, because Keith wasn’t allowed to start another MLM (as part of the CBI settlement). But, once you got somewhat deaply involved, it was quietly revealed as a way to show that there was an income potential with ESP.
Also spot on. I note, however, the following:
1. The Manson girls were programmed to. Do heinous acts. I don’t think they had priors.
2. I believe the Vanguard girls were also programmed.
3. Although the Manson group disintegrated, some stragglers still long for him and sing his praises.
4. Ditto from some of the Pea On You comments we read here.
Part of the reason the Manson girls were denied release is that they blamed Manson and his influence, but never connected the dots to their own actions. Very common in long term abuse of this kind.
In short, evil is sometimes made, and I see that here. I don’t think one of these women woke up choosing this path.
Why do some leave and why do some stay? Why are some allowed to be programmed and others aren’t?
It appears, from reading the transcripts, that those involved the longest–hence, subject to the most prolonged forms of subjugation and brainwashing to the point of a hard rewire–were the ones convicted.
In short, KAR worked his evil manipulation on them.
Some of the Manson girls had prior criminal histories, and some didn’t.
Between that, and the issue of those who were kept incarcerated because they blamed Manson rather than taking responsibility, I think there are some chicken-and-egg questions.
Did those without criminal histories just have the advantage of having grown up under privileged circumstances, like Leslie VanHouten, and not really have a chance to exercise underlying anti-social and criminal propensities until they came to be part of the Manson Family, and its environment of communal living and petty crime?
Were they women with dependent personalities, or prone to becoming dependent, and thus likely to follow a leader and have trouble seeing their own responsibility in the situation?
My response posted to anonymous. Sorry.
Shivani:
You mentioned that Allison Mack was 23 years old when she started with the NXIVM criminal gang.
The other day a Patriotic young soldier named Henry Mayfield who was 23 years old was murdered in a terrorist attack in Kenya.
Mayfield was in the Army earning money for college.
Henry Mayfield is an American Patriot.
Allison Pimp Mack is a demented sadistic bum.
Army specialist from south suburban Hazel Crest among three Americans killed in Kenyan attack
Henry Mayfield holds a picture of his son, Army Spc. Henry Mayfield Jr., at home in Hazel Crest on Jan. 6, 2019. The 23-year-old was killed in an attack on a military base in Kenya, his mother said
Unable to afford the cost of college, Henry “Mitch” Mayfield Jr. left Northern Illinois University after a year and joined the Army hoping to jump-start his future, his father said.
He quickly came to enjoy serving and, as Henry Mayfield Sr. tells it, might even have made a career of it. Alternatively, he could have fulfilled his initial commitment and returned home to launch his own trucking business and follow in his father’s footsteps.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-hazel-crest-army-specialist-killed-kenya-20200106-gbsssqbnlvgidhhgubi6tqyx6e-story.html
Somebody recently accused you of being a talented lawyer. You just blew it. The dead soldier has NOTHING to do with the topic and is therefore immaterial, except that they were both 23 years old.
“except that they were both 23 years old.”
That is the point.
Some 23 year olds are heroes and others are sadistic lunatics. looking for empowerment.
That applies to practically any age, so your point becomes even weaken, as if that was possible.
Scott,
“Talent”?
The only talent you have is for finding female hookers [ with dicks] at Mardi Gras.
I am not clear on the time line. Lauren was initiated into DOS after Pam died but was DOS formed after Pam died?
No – DOS was formed before Pam died. Several others were initiated into DOS before Lauren.
Raniere was probably anticipating Cafritz’s death, he was quite the planner. His planning is much simplier now, wake up, eat, stay awake/take a nap, eat, stay awake/take a nap, eat, sleep. Sweet dreams, Raniere.
Scott,
“Raniere was probably anticipating Cafritz’s death” with glee; the very same way your family is waiting for your ass to buy the farm. 😉
I bet there will beers all-around at the Johnson household when you kick, Mr. Cowboy Retard.
Claviger,
I sincerely miss your articles and updates!
I hope life is well.
Let’s examine the hideous life of Pam Cafritz.
She was born to a wealthy Washington DC family and was quite well to do.
She was worth some eight to nine million dollars.
Pam Cafritz spent most of her adult life in service as a PIMP to procure women and underage girls to satisfy the perverted fetishes of her gangster boss, Keith Raniere.
Pam Cafritz’s life was totally wasted before she finally passed away of cancer and “Do-Do balls.”
It is difficult to shed any tears for a woman who was born with so many blessings and brought so much pain to the world.
Pam Cafritz — “Good Riddance to Bad Trash!”
Totally agree. At least she had a long, painful death. See, there are some things to be thankful to Raniere for!
Ha, ha, ha, ha! My retard made another funny. How about that?!?!? Scotty made two funny jokes this week.
Scott, as your reward for being funny, would like an ice-cream cone or do you want the Mrs. to leave you alone at bath time so you can play with yourself?
…..And no “it” does not mean you can take a big fat dump in the bathtub.
Reading this remains shocking. But in my opinion, KAR ordered the brand, not AM. And here’s why:
The brand was his trademark. DOS looks like just another MLM organization of his, and all businesses want a trademark.
The trademark for the MLM human pyramid scheme he created in DOS was his initials.
The women were chattel. Packages. Product. They walked around with the trademark on their front door.
The VANGUARD was the product.
No different than any other product on the shelf of the store.
Just my opinion based on the testimony.
A trademark has far more dignity than what Raniere’s initials really were, a cattle brand. A sign of ownership.
A trademark is absolutely a sign of ownership.
Yes, but a trademark isn’t usually put on the product, but brands are put on cattle.
Scott,
Well, thanks for the info genius!!!!
Did you know you are either right or left handed?
LMAO
You actually believe you’re intelligent. God, how fucking retarded you are…
When I was very young, my parents told me I ate one meal with one hand and the next with the other. I broke my right arm when I was in about the 9th grade, and couldn’t be as active as usual, but I played a lot of ping pong with my left hand. I can beat virtually anybody playing off-hand ping pong. I am also left-footed. Always have been.
The point was the analogy of a trademark isn’t a very good one, a branded steer is a much better analogy. Otherwise, everybody would be upset over the DOS womens’ clothing being cauterized. Dummy. LOL
Fool Me…NOT, have you misread?
The gist of this testimony is that Rosa Laura Junco — not Allison Mack, as you apparently read it — and not even Keith Raniere himself — initiated the branding with some other mostly Mexican girls.
Lauren, however, could well be lying. Seeing as NONE of the Mexican elite perpetrators are about to be prosecuted at all — why, it’s even become somewhat verboten to mention — wouldn’t it be convenient if ALL of NXIVM’s crimes were put in their, the Mexican elite’s Court so to speak?
If Lauren is being truthful, however — and that’s a big IF when it comes to the spawn of a master of deception like Nancy Salzman — Keith Raniere was more of a figurehead for Rosa Laura Junco and HER merry band of branders — titilated as Keith was to be so venerated.
IDK which is true — whether the pointing of fingers at a group that appears to be immune from prosecution was/is the Salzman plan or whether the Mexican elite themselves were and are being played for fools — but I’d like to know where you’re coming from Fool Me by trying to fool us in your reinterpretation here of Lauren’s testimony ???!!!
Please, feel free to correct me if I’m off. Say, where ya from? Or is it, de donde eres?
Heidi-
Reading this article in conjunction with former articles, there was a question if AM was taking the fall for KR.
In line with that prior article, I meant to imply that yes, AM was taking the fall.
Ultimately, in my opinion, KAR was responsible. Not LJ. Not LS. Not AM.
He is devious. He is conniving. He is abusive and a sociopath.
He planted the seeds no matter who ultimately recommended the branding.
Imagine Hitler: he never killed anyone. He set the forces in motion by innuendo.
My opinion.
The Master becomes the god.
I almost agree, Fool Me Not. Agree on Allison Mack being set up, totally, and on the probability that it was Keith who thought up the branding as his trademark for his products — the “fuck toys.”
Disagree strongly on Lauren, Nancy — all the Salzmans — as to their own culpability and I believe Lauren’s lying, covering up for her fam and that she participated in if not orchestrated the set-up of Allison Mack.
Example: Lauren claims Rosa Laura Junco was securing the blackmail material aka collateral, and that Rosa Laura talked her into the branding, etc. I call bullshit. Lauren already admittedly submitted her own nude photos to Keith long before allegedly being approached by Rosa Laura. Prosecution just glossed right over that, didn’t they? (And let’s remember, please, it’s the blackmail and deception, not the branding, that’s illegal.)
So, why did Lauren pose nude for Keith PRIOR to the mtg. with Rosa Laura? Fact is, Keith & Salzman were collecting blackmail photos — including photos of underage Camila Fernandez — long before anyone got lasered. Hell, they even had nude pics of Barbara Bouchey — who left in 2009 — in the blackmail stockpile. The other forms of blackmail, real blackmail, were also collected long prior to the lasering. Some of that was covertly obtained by Ben Myers via illegal hacking activities.
Suddenly, however, Rosa Laura becomes the keeper of the collateral in Lauren’s fable. And when, pray tell, was that privileged duty reassigned from Rosa Laura Junco to Allison Mack?
For me, DOS looks like a justification for all the illegal activities NXIVM as a whole undertook for decades under the leadership of Raniere and SALZMAN. (With “AM” left holding the bag when the news hit the stands.)
There was pre-DOS nude pictures that Raniere held in private and later DOS-era pictures with nude pictures that were kept in another location. It’s really not very complicated.
To think law enforcement couldn’t sort it out during an investigation is just plan silly. You do have a very active imagination, however. LOL
Fool me not and Heidi, I don’t know why you two are still debating on who came up with the brand idea. Frank has already given us the recording of Raniere and Mack planning the brand. Allison recorded the conversation. Remember?
I would be happy to correct you.
Junco was basically Mack’s recruiter, showing Mack how to properly join DOS, as Junco was already a member and knew the routine. She was probably being truthful here: “And after Keith was indicted and arrested, arrested and indicted, I said something to Rosa Laura about it, and she said the women didn’t choose it, ‘why would we ever choose something like that? Who would choose that?’ And she basically said, ‘you know, Keith wanted us to do it. That’s why we did it. None of us would have ever come up with the idea that we would brand ourselves. That’s crazy.’”
Junco probably recruited/guided a lot of other Mexicans to join DOS, but there is nothing that indicates she came up with the branding/cauterizing idea.
Salzman testified under the penalty of perjury if she lied, and I’m quite sure her lawyers explained this to her, so if there is evidence showing she lied, then she should be charged with that additional crime. Therefore, I find it quite unlikely she lied.
Or is it, estás loco!
Lauren Salzman — not Allison Mack — was testifying about Rosa Laura Junco convincing her to join DOS, Schlock. Esta’s muy stupido y menteroso.
Ich komme night aus Mexico😀
You’re right, I meant Salzman, not Mack. It’s hard to keep all of these whores straight. Now respond to the rest of my points. I’ll repeat, with corrections: Junco was basically Salzman’s recruiter, showing Salzman how to properly join DOS, as Junco was already a member and knew the routine. She was probably being truthful here: “And after Keith was indicted and arrested, arrested and indicted, I said something to Rosa Laura about it, and she said the women didn’t choose it, ‘why would we ever choose something like that? Who would choose that?’ And she basically said, ‘you know, Keith wanted us to do it. That’s why we did it. None of us would have ever come up with the idea that we would brand ourselves. That’s crazy.’”
Junco probably recruited/guided a lot of other Mexicans to join DOS, but there is nothing that indicates she came up with the branding/cauterizing idea.
Salzman testified under the penalty of perjury if she lied, and I’m quite sure her lawyers explained this to her, so if there is evidence showing she lied, then she should be charged with that additional crime. Therefore, I find it quite unlikely she lied.
Or is it, estás loco!
Nicht. Sorry. Spell check.😀
Good take on it. What makes my skin crawl is how the DOS was evolving. It was gradually getting more and more twisted. It evolved to include corporal punishment, then on to branding, then someone, I forgot who, ordered a cage and torture type equipment which I don’t even want to know about.
Then, they said the cages were for those serious about growth. If you don’t want to be hit, branded, kept in a locked cage, possibly tortured, not to mention sleep disturbance and standing in the snow, etc… No, if you weren’t into running into a tree and licking puddles for the Vanguard it is all from a serious character flaw in yourself. Your lack of _________ (fill in the blank). You are stubborn and unwilling to grow, you fool. So foolish to ignore the smartest man in the world’s teachings.
If you’re the smartest man in the world, why are you living out your life in lock up?
Q: If you’re the smartest man in the world, why are you living out your life in lock up?
A: Raniere is obviously going for maximum growth.
Good points.
I still think it’s hard to know what to make of Mack’s statement in the New York Times article, in which she took credit for the branding idea. Normally someone wouldn’t stage something like that, but in the bizarre case of NXIVM it’s not possible to be certain unless an insider comes forward with conclusive information.
One thing I’d add, is that while Mack had some strange history with men and tattoos, I’m not sure that she’d necessarily have known about branding, though she might have been exposed to scarification as a “body art” form through the circles she traveled in when she had the rocker boyfriend/fiancee who got a tattoo across his chest. However, it features in the literary classic BDSM novel The Story of ‘O’, which I ran across in an extended circle of post-graduate young adults in a university town in the 1980s, with interests surprisingly similar (pop psychology, hypnosis and NLP, human potential trainings, MLMs, Robert Anton Wilson’s Illuminati writings, etc.) to Raniere’s in Clifton Park – it’s a quick read, but Raniere might well also have known it from films made based on it in the era of his youth (1970s-80s), and he certainly seems to have had some sort of serious fetish along those lines.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Story_of_O
This is similar to how Amway and other MLMs talk. Everybody has a boss or answers to someone, so why not be your own boss? Of course, you end up being beholden to your upline, even at the highest levels, because they are paying you your tool scam money (or withholding it), so you have to keep sucking up to them, or suffer the consequences, like Brig Hart did, see #5 here: https://stoptheamwaytoolscam.wordpress.com/what-is-the-basis-of-the-real-amway-tool-scam-size/
Scott,
“This is similar to how Amway and other MLMs talk”, enough all ready….
…..It’s f*cking cliché now.
We all f*cking get it. Thank you so much for educating all of us, you retard.
“This is like ( insert anything) Amway.”
-Scott Johnson
Scott,
Is there anything in the known fucking universe that is not like Amway?
“This is like Amway this is like Amway this is like Amway this is like Amway this is like Amway.”-Scott Brain Dead Johnson
There are lots of things not like Amway, anything that’s legal for starters. However, NXIVM was spawned by Amway and therefore there are many similarities.
Hold up. “NXIVM was spawned by Amway and therefore there are many similarities”? Prey tell
https://frankreport.com/2018/07/29/scott-johnson-explains-why-im-here/ You can also contact me at stoptheamwaytoolscam@yahoo.com to discuss further, assuming you’re not a current Amway IBO.
Scott,
Oh wow!!!! An intelligent statement from Scott Johnson.
Did your wife help you write it, retard?
All of my statements are intelligent, you’re just too stupid to understand most of them. My wife moves my lips on my show, too. LOL
You are not everybody. There are lots of new people reading this website all the time. Idiot. LOL
Scott,
“You are not everybody.” Thank you for pointing out such an important fact my Texan retard.
Why don’t you simply stay on that joke of website you created. You know the one in which you have not updated in years. LOL
If you put 1/2 as much effort as you do posting obnoxious shit on the Frank Report you could make a difference. I know, I know, I am expecting to much from a retard like you.
Please remember today to wash your hands after you take a dump and not just before.
Thank YOU for asking such a stupid question. LOL
https://frankreport.com/2018/07/29/scott-johnson-explains-why-im-here/
Please remember to minimize waste by using both sides of the toilet paper! LOL
Scott,
Whatever, turd sucker…
Nice Guy, I feel your pain. His master van brander hasn’t been able to help Scott with his disintegrations properly. Mr. Johnson, please see if Mr. Parlato will help you. Honestly, I really do think Dr. Gastone is right about Natalie helping you as well. Nice Guy tries to no avail. I can help you in the most unconventional way as long as you sign a couple of forms.
Lol, Peaches! Good one on Schlock. He just begs for it.
One thing about the recorded branding conversation between Raniere and Mack you mentioned earlier — Raniere was instructing Mack on improvements he wanted to make to the process with Mack very timidly agreeing. The recording doesn’t really prove that either Raniere or Mack initiated the branding — it was already underway — and, again, the branding itself isn’t illegal. (I do believe it was all Raniere but where’s the recording of Raniere’s instructions and to whom on the earlier brandings? Those were allegedly performed by an unnamed, male tattoo artist — not a doctor of any sort — and why hasn’t this mystery man appeared?)
Raniere wanted something more like “a sacrifice” that didn’t look like coercion (even though the victims were held down) but engendered a feeling of “submission” and sacrifice to him. Raniere also suggests there should be something around or about the victim’s heads, laid out flat, arms down to their sides, etc.
That part gave me the heebie geebies bc my sister was hooded, sacrificially laid out flat on her back, etc. and according to Kristin Keefe, Keith Raniere had been instructing Gina on suicide methods — while in a hypnotic state — starting from years prior up to the bitter end. Indeed, there were suicidal images found on the hard drive of the CBI computer Gina used while working there that Keith gave her. I submitted that computer drive to the Albany Times Union in 2010 and they found the images, I’ve never seen them. I was told the rest of the drive had been wiped, as was Gina’s laptop.