Sometime in the very near future, U.S. District Court Judge Nicholas G. Garaufis is going to issue an order that sets the sentencing date for Allison Mack.
He’s already done that for Clare Bronfman (January 8th), Keith Raniere (January 17th), and Kathy Russell (January 29th) – and will soon be doing the same for Nancy and Lauren Salzman (My guess is that he’ll schedule the mother-and-daughter criminal team to be sentenced on the same day).
So, it seems like an appropriate time to review the process which the judge will follow in determining Allison’s sentence – and explain what will actually happen on the day she gets sentenced.
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Allison Mack’s Crimes – And Her Plea Deal
As set forth in the Second Superseding Indictment in the case, Allison was charged with the following crimes:
– Racketeering
– Racketeering Conspiracy
– Forced Labor Conspiracy
– Wire Fraud Conspiracy
– Sex Trafficking Conspiracy
– Sex Trafficking (RE: Jane Doe #5)
– Attempted Sex Trafficking (RE: Jane Doe #8)
Rather than take her chances and go trial on those seven charges, the 36-year-old Mack opted to accept a plea deal.
During the course of her Plea Hearing on April 8, 2019, Allison made a number of admissions and statements. These included the following:
– She graduated from Los Alamitos High School (That puts her well ahead of her co-defendant, Clare Bronfman, who only finished 10th grade).
– She had one beer the night before her Plea Hearing – which sound a lot less elitist than the “one glass of wine” that Nancy Salzman and Lauren Salzman each said they had before their Plea Hearings.
– She committed Racketeering Act 10 – which involved state law extortion by collecting collateral from Jane Doe #5 and Jane Doe #8.
– She committed Racketeering Act 13 – which involved her accepting uncompensated labor and services from Jane Doe #5 and Jane Doe #8 who were afraid she would release their collateral if they did not provide free labor and services.
– She committed multiple acts of wire fraud by forcing lower-ranking members of DOS to turn over money, property and other things of value to her as collateral
During that same hearing, Judge Garaufis explained to her the applicable statutory penalties that would be applicable if she pleaded guilty to racketeering and Racketeering Conspiracy.
Those penalties are as follows:
– A maximum prison term of 20-years for each count;
– A maximum supervised release (AKA “probation”) term of 3-years for each count;
– A maximum fine of $250,000 or twice the gross profits or proceeds of the NXIVM enterprise;
– Restitution in the full amount of each victim’s losses as determined by the court;
– A $100 special assessment for each count; and
– Whatever criminal forfeiture was specified in her plea agreement.
During the course of her allocution, Allison said that she was “…prepared to take responsibility for acts in which I was involved, some of which I now realize were wrong”.
She also said that during her time with NXIVM, she “…became close with many individuals, many of whom are wonderful people, and some of whom I now realize are not”.
She went on to say that she now realized that she and others had engaged in criminal conduct – and that the goal of NXIVM was “…to further and promote the objectives of Keith Raniere”.
She also admitted that “At Raniere’s direction, I and other women sought to recruit other women to join DOS” – and that she knowingly took and withheld collateral from Jane Doe #5 and Jane Doe #9.
She stated that she had “…concealed Keith’s role as the head of DOS and characterized DOS as a women’s only organization, knowing that Keith Raniere was the head of the organization”.
She finished up with an impassioned apology.
“I am very sorry for the victims of this case. I am also very sorry for the harm that I caused to my family. They are good people who I have hurt through my misguided adherence to Keith Raniere’s teachings. I apologize to them from the bottom of my heart, and I am truly very sorry for what I have done. Through this plea and the help of others, I have begun the process of healing and repairing the relationships in my life”.
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How Does Allison Mack’s Plea Deal Compare To Lauren Salzman’s Deal?
Even though Lauren Salzman pleaded guilty to the same two criminal counts, her deal appears to be quite different than Allison’s deal (Unlike Allison’s plea deal, there are several sections in Lauren’s deal that are redacted).
For one thing, it appears that Lauren’s deal required her to appear as a witness for the prosecution in Raniere’s case – which she did do.
For another, it appears that a sentencing range was likely specified in her deal.
In any event, Lauren made many of the same admissions that Allison did in terms of the criminal activities she engaged in while she was a member of NXIVM.
But her apology seemed to be much more heartfelt than Allison’s.
“Your Honor, in light of reviewing all the discovery and having many months to reflect, I came to the conclusion that the most moral and the most just course of action for me was to take full responsibility for my conduct and that is why I am pleading guilty today and I’m very sorry for my poor decision-making and decisions that result in the harm to others and not the just victims in this case but to hundreds of members of our community and their friends and families as well”.
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Is Allison Mack a Victim, a Perpetrator or Both?
There has been much debate on the Frank Report as to whether Allison should be treated as a victim, a perpetrator or both.
But regardless of what anyone thinks, the terms of Allison’s plea deal make it clear that from a legal standpoint, she is a perpetrator.
It’s possible that the Probation Officer who prepares her “Pre-Sentencing Report” may take into account the fact that Allison suffered from sleep deprivation and caloric deprivation for much of the time that she was involved with NXIVM – and recommend a relatively short prison term.
It’s also possible that her Probation Officer may take into account the testimony of those witnesses who described Allison as a harsh “Master” who enjoyed punishing her slaves and as the one who often took the close-up pictures of other women’s vaginas for Keith to look at – and recommend a harsh prison term.
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The “Federal Sentencing Guidelines”
Crafting appropriate sentences has always a tricky exercise for judges.
That’s basically why Congress created the “Federal Sentencing Guidelines” that most judges abide by when they are sentencing defendants who have pleaded guilty or been found guilty by a jury.
The sentencing guidelines were designed to take into account both the seriousness of the offense – and the defendant’s criminal history.
The guidelines establish 43 levels of seriousness – and the more serious the crime, the higher the offense level.
Each crime is assigned a “base offense level” – which is the starting point for coming up with the applicable sentencing guideline in each criminal case.
But each crime also has various characteristics that can increase or decrease the base offense level (Example: If a fraud case involved a $500,000 loss, that case is going to have a higher base offense level than a similar case that involved a $5,000 loss).
There are also various “adjustments” that may come into play in a case. These include such things as the defendant’s “level of involvement” in the crime; whether the defendant obstructed justice or attempted to obstruct justice during the investigation that led to the criminal charges; the defendant’s acceptance of responsibility; and whether the defendant pleaded guilty.
Finally, the guidelines also take into consideration whether the defendant has any prior criminal record.
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So, How Much Time Should Allison Spend in Prison?
Without having a copy of Allison’s “Pre-Sentence Report” to review, the best I can do is make a reasonably informed “guesstimate’ as to what her applicable sentencing guidelines will be.
The “base offense level” for Racketeering and Racketeering Conspiracy is 19.
If anything, I would think the type of criminal enterprise that NXIVM was – and Allison’s level of involvement in the enterprise – will likely increase her base offense level by one or two levels.
Thus, assuming that she has no prior criminal convictions – which, insofar as we know, is the case – Allison’s sentencing guidelines will probably be 33-41 months or 37-46 months.
So, based on all that, I would estimate that Allison will likely end up with a prison term of 42 months – which means that she will likely spend about 30 months in prison and another 6 months on home confinement (She could get an additional 6-months of home confinement is she’s a model prisoner – and convinces her Counselor that she deserves that type of consideration).
She will also be fined $250,000, lose the assets she has already agreed to forfeit, pay $200 in special assessment fees, and be on probation for 3 years after she finishes her period of home confinement.
What say you, Frank Report readers: how much prison time do you think Allison will get?
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she should have got 40 years
Lauren Salzman has really screwed her life up. At her age, once this is all over, she will never get to have a baby. (Even if she found a nice guy) She hitched her wagon to that loser, and now she is really going to pay for that, emotionally. Attractive lady too. The whole thing is a mess. All these women…
I’m glad he got life.
(Gene)
Allison Mack should be in prison NOW and spend the rest of her life there. In addition to incarceration for life, she should also have a custom made chastity belt locked onto her to prevent any self stimulation or orgasms, which would punish her to the max. She deserves it and no doubt she handed down such cruel sentences of permanent orgasm denial to other women. She is a disgusting witch who should NEVER see the free side of a prison cell ever again. STOP treating women who are criminals like they are queens. Send Allison Mack to prison for the rest of her life in the most harsh prison this world has to offer.
People kill each other every day, sex cults are a dime a dozen..this just happen to be one that got caught…. Party on and fuck as much as possible..the world is going to die any way, might as well have as much fun as possible first!!!!!!!!
Can’t understand why Clare Bronfman did what she did. Heiress to the Seagrams Liquor company she must have been rich already. It must have been for the sex. Raniere the leader sounds like a Jim Jones type. If Allison did it for him and had sex with him she could have gotten a lot better. She married a woman but people think that was a scam. I wonder what Kristen Kreuk’s involvement was since she introduced her to them?
I fall in love in Allisons adorable smile, watching Smallville 15 years ago. It grows over the years, when I found out, that she was born, not far from me (Neumuenster->Preetz, Germany … around 20 miles apart) … very unlikely for an american actress. It really broke my heart, when I read, that she lost herself in this crazy cult, especially when she lured young women into her gurus harem (JNess).
I´m totally torn back and forth: For her crimes she deserves spending time in prison … but I really wish, that the jury will find her not gealty, because she was unfit to plead. I want to believe, that she was Raniers first and greatest victim and that she needs therapy.
I read, that his name is in the Guiness Book of Records, in the top 10 of the people with the hightest IQ. If it´s true, it´s really a small line between genius and madness. And then, it´s no wonder, that he can deceive young women, who are unstable and insecure. Allison said, she wanted to do something good, and I can´t tell otherwise: World Ethics Foundation, JNess – an organisation of feminists, who wants to help such insecure women. I just take a look behind the curtain 2018, when Allison did advertising on her homepage for the acting school “The Score”. The linked video was just bizarro … Allison sat across from Raniere, just smiling and nodding along, with an empty look in her eyes.
If her parents never left the northern state of Germany called Schleswig-Holstein to move back to the U.S., that would never happened to her. The worst cult we have, are Jehova´s Witnesses. If I have one wish, than, that Allison got free and will move back to her birth town, to go into therapy and to forget those crazy years. Here she can still act, and live a normal life … only a few comic nerds will recocgnize her. And Yes …. a part of me is still in love with her, and wants to meet her even once. (But no, if she did all this voluntary, I could never be in a relationship with her.)
PS: I search the internet for month now … verdict September, October, November … it´s not far from new years eve now … and still no verdict. Is this a good or a bad sign.
Greetings from Germany, Michael
I think Allison Mack is hot as hell and would probably be a blast in the bedroom. Sounds like she’d also be a hell of a Professional Dominatrix too. Life is unfair and always will be THANK GOD! men have their advantages and so do women. So she got a little carried away with the branding iron…it happens! ha ha! I hope I can have Allison act in one of my films one day. Party on!
As a guy, i have to say your response is disgusting. Do you not understand what happened? Why this is wrong, or is objectification the only thing you do but not understand? I really enjoyed Allison Mack on Smallville, even having a celebrity crush. However she is still human, and subject to human laws and consequences. I am saddened this is the probability of her confinement. I believe it should probably be 2 or even 3x the guideline. I worry for any rehabilitation requirement or corrective behavior requirement to be lost and found unimportant. Alas, i am not a judge, nor have the credentials to be one. I trust our system only so far, and believe in this case, we failed our community and the victims affected by Mack and her actions.
There seems to be a light touch from the media and law when a woman commits an offence, but the whole world comes undone when a man commits the same offence. We don’t want to see Mack smiling in her photos, we want to see the mug shots, the same mug shots you’d give Lex Luthor if he had done the same thing.
These girls are criminals. They let their lusts and desires get out of control, and they began to act like pirates, nothing more. They weren’t threatened or brain washed into committing these crimes….nope, they were having fun. It’s fun to have people at your beckon call.
This case just shows us that slavery and sexual slavery are always a danger. This is why we have to put criminals who commit these acts in prison as a warning to anyone else who might be tempted to do the same.
Re the amount of time the sentence will be for Allison Mack:
I am going to guess 3 years or less.
The judge like most men including myself seems to have a soft spot for women. The judge ending the cross examination of Lauren Salzman is clear proof of his soft spot.
Does anyone believe the judge would have done the same thing for a man?
Homie don’t think so! 😉
I believe there is little doubt that Ms. Mack falls under the heading of abuse victim who became an abuser. However, she is an adult and, as such, must be held accountable for her actions. I believe that her period of incarceration should include some form of psychological/psychiatric counseling as she is a damaged individual.
Those advocating that she take “the honorable way out” should be ashamed of themselves.
So NOW she realizes and she acted at the DIRECTION of Keith?
And some say she cam be rehabilitated?
Allison is a lost cause.
Some new pied piper will appear and like the rat she is, she will follow, willingly.
Folks, listen
Most of these NXIVM folks will find another guru to follow. Catherine Oxenberg goes from guru to guru. Maybe, reclaiming her daughter and the fact she was branded with a 3rd-degree keloid scar, has taught her better. Time will tell.
Barb Bouchey chomps at the bit to bring us the “best of NXIVM.” That should give you a clue as to the mindset of these folks.
So, nope, Allison is not reclaimable. She doesn’t get it, never will. Her own words betray her.
Lock her up, throw away the key so society is protected from her kind.
Catherine Oxenberg can take her daughter to the next guru. India probably learned this tendency to follow a guru from her mother and grew up with it. It’s impossible that India didn’t notice any of it. Next time, if she is lucky, she will meet someone like Jim Jones or Charles Manson. The chances are not bad if you continue as before. Good luck. Viva Executive Success.
It seems to me you don’t really have experience with the justice system. So many in the public believe sex offenders can’t change, can’t be rehabilitated, but the statistics just don’t show that at all. The vast majority can be treated, can learn the damage they’ve caused. Furthermore, the vast majority have mental health issues and are essentially sick, causing them to behave in ways that go outside the boundary of the law.
So yes, they are still responsible for what they do, but if they are given the help, the majority of them do learn, and do become better citizens, who DON’T re-offend.
I feel bad for anyone who thinks someone is a lost cause. Honestly, we don’t say that about a dog or a child, but you decide that for another human being. We all need help in some way, and God forbid someone would give up on you.
Take care…
My gut feeling is that she’ll get between 5 and 7 years.
Krclaviger,
Thanks for the thorough explanation of the legal sentencing phase of the trial.
The first time Allison Mack appeared before Judge Garaufis he innocently asked her if he had bumped into her in the courthouse cafeteria before court hearings. I think he has a soft spot for Allison; And that coupled with the fact the judge halted cross examination of Lauren Salzman and put at risk the integrity of the trial which means he has a soft spot for women in general.
I think he gives Allison Mack a sentence at the lower end of guidelines.
I think she’ll get more than 3-4 years. Maybe a lot more. I wouldn’t be surprised if she gets 10. And Raniere gets life.
The above analysis seems to leave out the particularly cruel and bizarre nature of this case. The human branding. The kinky sexual angle. I think this had the judge well and truly pissed off. I suspect he’s the type of man who takes a hard line on this kind of thing. He seems a bit of a White Knight. He’s going to throw the book at Raniere. And probably Raniere’s loyal lieutenant Allison Mack as well.
He’s going to remember the testimony against her. Her eager enthusiasm for running DOS. Organizing the human branding that took place in her home. Her badgering of her slaves. The fact that she had slaves in the first place. That she saw no shame in this. He’s liable to remember the cruel nicknames she gave them. Telling one of them she “has a beautiful cunt”. As she took close-up photographs of it. To send to the slave-master Keith Raniere.
Yeah. This was no simple crime racket. It was a chamber of horrors, victimizing women. I suspect Judge Garaufis will have this in mind as he totes up the months and years this criminal is to serve. And he will not be kind to her.
It’s still better than a lifetime of being an idiot…I feel for you!
How about sticking to the facts, Mr bully?
There is the story you see in your sick mind and then, there is the Truth…
WAY different than what you say.
Claviger is already aiming at the worst possible scenario and you think she’ll get 10 years for…collecting collaterals Under coercion.
Make sense!
Actaeon is sticking to the facts.
Allison Mack is a racketeer, extortionist, blackmailer and sex trafficker.
There is ample evidence to prove that she committed all of those crimes.
Sounds like to me, if she sat down with the other beers in the pack, she needs to figure out where her life went wrong.
Maybe Allison should be drinking Long Island Iced Tea. (22% alcohol)
Speaking of drinking things, I wonder if she’ll off herself. Take the honorable way out. A lot easier to to it in a suburban CA home than it is in prison.
Actaeon wrote: “I wonder if she’ll off herself. Take the honorable way out.”
So in addition to being ignorant, arrogant, and a Satanist, Actaeon is a vile human being as well. Your beloved Erica Durance must be so pleased to have you as a devoted, brainwashed groupie. You and your ilk are only here because you are a bunch of psycho, immature idiots driven insane by the way some Allison Mack fans trolled your precious Erica nearly 10 yeas ago. Most of you are just petty and pathetic. But thinking that Allison offing herself is “the honorable way out” is truly disgusting.
Traditionally people who felt that they had dishonored themselves or their posts or their countries chose to “off” themselves.
I think of the Austrian Army Colonel named Alfred Redl who was exposed as a Russian spy in 1913 and was given the choice of trial and public dishonor or suicide.
Colonel Redl chose suicide.
Alfred Redl
Due to the innovations he introduced, Redl’s successor, Major Maximilian Ronge ultimately learned in 1913 that Redl was himself a lavishly paid spy for the intelligence services of the Imperial Russian Army. Soon after his exposure, Redl committed suicide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Redl
From what I’ve seen about Allison Pimp Mack I doubt that she would choose the honorable course of action.
What on earth does Erica Durance have to do with Allison Mack’s guilt or innocence?! You are aware Smallville was a TV show, not reality, yes? Just because you obviously take the rivalry between characters on a television show far-far-far too seriously certainly does not mean others do. And as far as brainwashed groupie is concerned, I believe you should look in the mirror & do some serious self-reflection because, after reading your rabid comments, I cannot help but think that title appears to primarily fit you more than anyone else posting here.
I hesitate to entertain such a final solution even for someone as evil as Allison Mack.
I will say that Allison Mack clearly “suicided” her acting career.
Actaeon please don’t give Allison any ideas of offing herself. Once she’s done doing her time, I was considering her being my slave.
44 proof is that how you collect your women Shadow?!
From Frank Report’s coverage of Jaye’s testimony at the trial of Raniere.
She was told it was an honor and a privilege. That both Allison and India had done this fortunate act before. Jaye was assigned to seduce Keith and have him take a naked picture of her to prove she had accomplished her assignment.
Jaye even asked India – what it was like – she asked India about her experience seducing Keith.
“India said that Jaye should have her own unique experience, but India said that Keith was incredibly fit and that sex with him was amazing.”
https://frankreport.com/2019/06/12/trial-tuesday-jaye-assigned-to-seduce-vanguard/
From News.com au
Oxenberg said her daughter was not a sex slave.
“That’s not her experience,” the actor said.
“And what she shared with me doesn’t seem like that that was her experience at all.”
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/dynasty-star-catherine-oxenberg-opens-up-on-daughters-ordeal-in-sex-cult/news-story/2d13fd2392be52260d40c5d268bbe143
Fans of Chloe Sullivan are desperate to see her innocent, Chloe is a character not a real person. I loved watching Allison play her and was a fan of her character. But the things she did in real life I am NOT a fan of. Yes, I do understand that she was young & easily fooled, she was sleep deprived as well as starved. But when push came to shove she embraced this new role and went too far. Chloe Sullivan is only a character…. portrayed by Allison Mack. Allison needs to pay for her accountability as Allison “Pimp” Mack.
Bravo!
Her best performance!
She said what her lawyer told her to say.
They say to be a good actor all you need to do is remember your lines and hit the mark on the stage.
The real punishment for the Ghoulish, Sadistic Allison PIMP Mack will be for the rest of her miserable rotten life.
From now on Allison Mack will be known as a Gangster, Racketeer, Extortionist, Blackmailing, Sex Trafficker.
A so called woman who enjoyed branding women like cattle.
A so called moral virtuous person who collected Blackmail information to control others.
Don’t doubt for a minute that Allison PIMP Mack enjoyed controlling others.
Control is what rape, sexual assault and pimping are all about.
What is the current headline in the Drudge Report?
How the corpulent, obese, bloated Blimp Harvey Weinstein used Hillary Rotten Clinton’s PR Machine to kill any allegations of sexual assault against him, especially a story that journalist Ronan Farrow was working on.
“n a bid to kill Ronan Farrow’s exposé on the sexual misconduct allegations against him, Harvey Weinstein reportedly reached out to his good friend Hillary Clinton.
Ronan Farrow is releasing a new book on October 15, “Catch and Kill.”
In Farrow’s upcoming book “Catch and Kill” — which The Hollywood Reporter obtained a preview copy of — the journalist reveals an email he received from Clinton’s publicist, Nick Merrill, in 2017.
In the email, Farrow said Merrill told him that the “big story” he was working on was a “concern for us.”
Weinstein, a major Democratic Party donor, gave Clinton more than $26,000 in contributions since her initial Senate run in 2000
https://www.insider.com/ronan-farrow-hillary-clinton-tried-to-kill-harvey-weinstein-story-2019-10
Hillary Clinton should be ashamed of herself but Hillary sold her soul to the Devil long ago.
Is it beyond the realm of possibility that Hillary’s perverted rotten husband Bill Clinton is trying to fix the NXIVM case so that Emi Salinas and Alex Betancourt are not indicted?
Beyond the Weinstein-Clinton story Ronan Farrow tells the story of how NBC fired Matt Lauer after allegations of a 2014 RAPE came to light.
Lauer was alleged to have raped a woman at the Special Olympics.
There was no formal indictment or trial but Lauer was shown the door by NBC corporate executives who are tired of show business personalities who behave like drunken frat boy and slutty sorority sisters on a rip.
Allison Mack was actually indicted for conspiracy to blindfold, tie down and SEXUALLY ASSAULT a young woman in Clifton Park.
The moronic Allison Mack told the woman that being sexually assaulted would heal her from a childhood sexual assault.
A half witted Moira Penza let Allison Mack skip away from this crime.
Unless the NDNY picks up the ball this case is over.
But in the real world corporations are getting scared of all of the potential legal liability caused by media personalities who act like drunken sailors.
There will be no more corporate pay offs to keep victims silent.
For years NBC had a man on staff who would hand women envelopes of cash to keep them silent about how comedian Bill Cosby drugged and raped them.
Who else has been shown the door?
Les Moonves of CBS.
Charlie Rose of CBS and PBS.
And for the rest of her pathetic life Allison Mack will wear the Scarlet Letter P for PIMP.
She is punished enough having you obsessed about her…
Just be careful, that is a piece of serious advice because the day you try anything, I’ll make sure that you’ll stay in a nice comfy room in a straitjacket!
Psycho!
Mat Lauder?
Forgot that bit:
“She went on to say that she now realized that she and others had engaged in criminal conduct – and that the goal of NXIVM was “…to further and promote the objectives of Keith Raniere”.”
This was debunked in trial as it is shown that Allison actually knows NOTHING about the real motive (conversation between Raniere and Cami).
But it proves that the self-accusations she made in her plea deal were written by prosecutors.
I find it disgusting to see that prosecution preferred to help Lauren to save her ass (while she was WAY more involved! She did everything they accuse Allison of doing (while most in not proved) but even more! like false imprisonment, Identity theft, real wire fraud and she really did extortion! )
despites, she was also an executive of Nxivm (contrary to Allison who was at the absolute best, a coach)…
She was also involved in those crimes for more than 15 years!
Allison was involved only from 2016 to 2017…And while Under coercion!!!
Lauren has not many redeeming factors, unlike Allison!
Amen to this, exactly my thoughts
Actually, in the US legal system the allocution in a plea deal has to be genuine and originated by the defendant themselves, or the judge won’t accept it. I take it you must come from one of the countries where the judges and the prosecutors work things out in advance and trials are just for show, but that’s not what happens here.
Mack did not need to know the real motive behind the conspiracy, to be fully culpable for her involvement in it. In most high control groups or cults it’s typically not obvious what the leader or guru’s true motives are; it’s always hard to discern how much they are just driven by power or money, and may or may not believe believe in what they claim to be the aims of the group.
And Salzman may have been with the company longer, but that’s irrelevant to her culpability in the particular criminal conspiracy, and the human and sex trafficking aspects of DOS – the worst abuses and criminal acts of which occurred in the 2 years that Mack was in the thick of it. The fact that in DOS, Mack effectively outranked and exercised authority over Salzman because she was “at the top” of “an alternative stripe path” (per Vicente) actually demonstrates Mack’s more pivotal role in the crimes and abuses; it was for instance Mack’s home where Salzman (per her court testimony) took her slaves to be branded, not the other way around.
“Actually, in the US legal system the allocution in a plea deal has to be genuine and originated by the defendant themselves, or the judge won’t accept it. ”
It as to for the ALLOCUTION! not the plea itself…but nice try Mr know it all.
The allocution is the part where she is really talking with her word, not the part where she accuse herself.
“I take it you must come from one of the countries where the judges and the prosecutors work things out in advance and trials are just for show, but that’s not what happens here.”
Really ? and what is my country, you Don’t need to speak like that to sound like an asshole…
BTW if there is any country that put a show for a trial (and it was also proved in this case), it’s USA…
“Mack did not need to know the real motive behind the conspiracy, to be fully culpable for her involvement in it. In most high control groups or cults it’s typically not obvious what the leader or guru’s true motives are; it’s always hard to discern how much they are just driven by power or money, and may or may not believe believe in what they claim to be the aims of the group.”
You are an idiot, If she didn’t know the real motives ,it’s changing the circumstances and she was (once again) at the level of any victim.
Also driven by power or money , both she didn’t had so what is her motivation ?
Like it or not, except an extreme minority of idiot who consider her as a leader , anyone properly equipped with a brain understood (from the lack of choice, her coercion , her starvation, sleep deprivation and the fact there is proof that what she asked to her pod was EXACTLY what other asked) that she was just a pawn.
I Don’t see you putting a rage against India who genuinly did the same…OR better blame Lauren apprepriatly!
No, only Allison!, you are a sick person, to the level of shadow and you really really should consult!
“And Salzman may have been with the company longer, but that’s irrelevant to her culpability in the particular criminal conspiracy, and the human and sex trafficking aspects of DOS – the worst abuses and criminal acts of which occurred in the 2 years that Mack was in the thick of it. ”
Hmmm no, you want to Believe that and ignore the reality but the worst abuses started atleast 20 years ago (unless you consider pedophilia to be completly fine, or statutory rape)
Allison collected collateral, this is the only fact shown in court for her…But for Lauren MANY crime were shown (and she admitted them.
Only an idiot try to defend a real perpetrator to blame a victim! congratulations, you are that idiot!
“The fact that in DOS, Mack effectively outranked”
False, it’s is clearly debunked in court but of course, for that, you need to read the info and not to create them based on your fantasy.
” and exercised authority over Salzman because she was “at the top” of “an alternative stripe path” (per Vicente) actually demonstrates Mack’s more pivotal role in the crimes and abuses”
Suuuuuure , and it was shown when? because for the people with a brain, Allison is actually way Under Lauren.
This is even clearer with your favorite “false fact” that you used to use all the time…the fake interview!
Who convinced Allison to take the blame? Lauren was there for the biggest décisions.
Allison didn’t emprison someone, Allison didn’t gain (financially) from those crime and ALLISON DIDN’T MADE THE CHOICE TO USE VIOLENCE TO PUNISH HER POD (cold shower for Allison and paddling for Lauren…)
“it was for instance Mack’s home where Salzman (per her court testimony) took her slaves to be branded, not the other way around.”
And it’s BS, she didn’t said Truth exclusively…
If it’s the condo, It doesn’t fit as Allison rented it from june 2017, if it’s her house (general way), it doesn’t fit as it’s rented to an outsider of Nxivm.
I assume it’s an “expression” …Allison’s house to avoid to name the person really owning the place while Allison was just sleeping here…
But there is Nothing that prove it happened at her house and if it did, Mr i hate Allison so much that i’ll spend my life trying to prove she is a monster, She( Lauren) also Added that Allison wasn’t at home when it happened…So the person responsible would be the one taking care of the house.
Nothing make sense with the house where the (non illegal) branding occured.
First Allison rented the condo from june 2017 but lived there before (when one of the other member rented this) but at the same time she was supposedly branding people in it, She was living with people not being part of DOS
And nobody noticed the branding….of course!
Anyway, you talk about the branding like it means a thing, as disgusting it is, it’s not the crime and Allison was clearly shown to have no decision or not being part of it’s creation.
The court is done with this and only a few idiot still want to Believe that shit.
From the comments posted here, I am beginning to believe Anonymous is actually Allison Mack herself responding! It is the only thing that makes sense because I simply cannot understand how anyone could justify such a vehement defense of a woman who has admitted to abusing & degrading other women to satisfy the deviant needs of a perverted pedophile!
“In any event, Lauren made many of the same admissions that Allison did in terms of the criminal activities she engaged in while she was a member of NXIVM.
But her apology seemed to be much more heartfelt than Allison’s.”
I don’t agree at all in any of those points…during the trial, it was revealed that while Allison was guilty of collecting the collateral (and only that), Lauren was linked to more serious crimes.
Including false imprisonnement (on dani), Blackmailing (Allison never threaten anyone, Lauren kept the collateral as a pressure mean against Dani), And Allison is completly broke while Lauren is living in a millions dollar house.
The trial showed that Lauren was way more involved than she previously pretended and she didn’t cooperate much except the mantatory testimony.
Allison just collected the collateral (even if she admitted more, the fact is that she was forced into a plea deal with Penza blocking the seperate trial.
She wasn’t linked to the pedophilian allegation and SHOULD have received a seperate trial but it was refused…
She didn’t had a choice as no matter how culprit or not, Jury would have said “guilty” for each of the defendant.
Despite the fact that those crime happened WAY before Allison’s time in Nxivm.
Also “more heatfelt”? she didn’t showed any emotion until it was concerning HER situation…
“But regardless of what anyone thinks, the terms of Allison’s plea deal make it clear that from a legal standpoint, she is a perpetrator.”
Maybe but the judge as to level all the facts and from a legal standpoint, more of the accusation wouldn’t stand properly in court.
The forced labor is BS, The wire fraud isn’t that true either
The Racketeering is only supported by the collection of collateral but she never threaten anyone
Alos the Racketeering is only on 1 of the victim, the second was abused by India (said in court)
The judge as to consider the circumstances (which many refuse to account) and circumstance are giving potential reason that should make her situation be considered not as a perpetrator standpoint but a victim.
She was coerced to do those crime (and the court accept to ignore the crimes committed by other under the same situation (like…India))
She was starved and sleep deprivate and in the eye of science, these make her (technically) unliable for a trial.She was not in control of her mind to make any decisions.
Considering that she also was said to be the scapegoat (by Lauren herself) , How much of the allegation given to/from each is absolutely true?
The fact we know is that Allison was coerced, starved and sleep deprivated (confirm by the other victims for the 2 lasts)
Circumstances makes it that Allison was not in a position where she should have been trialed at all!
“Thus, assuming that she has no prior criminal convictions – which, insofar as we know, is the case – Allison’s sentencing guidelines will probably be 33-41 months or 37-46 months.”
She has no record…she was a good person (like it or not) before Raniere tempered with her mind…and the victim said clearly that Allison was a loving person.
She didn’t show agressivity and many of the claim saying she was beating the girl have been disproved.
Seeing that she is a pawn, coerced ,starved and sleep deprived, why would they raise her level? if anything, she should be considered in the lowest part of the lowest level.
That being said, the 42 month is the maximum she could get (if the judge decide to ignore every fact)
She would more likely get (seeing her real involvement) get a 2 years sentencing (because collecting the collateral is still a serious crime).
The circumstances should allow that sentence to be slightly reduced and seeing that she spend more than a year at home confinement, i would expect the judge to give her ,maybe, an extra 6 month at home confinement.
I remind you that considering home confinement as a part of the prison sentence is ENTIRELY AT THE JUDGE DISCRETION and since he pointed that for him it was just like being in Prison, i don’t see why he would ignore that.
You also have to consider that added to the many redeeming factors, she has fully cooperated.
Prosecution might not have called her at the bar but she was ready to do so, they just choosed her not to be allowed to defend publicly herself.
But the pre sentencing include her being able to explain her side of the story (with the investigation verifying that she says the truth).
Seeing what was said about her role (which is far from making her a leader.She is just a pawn victim who had to follow orders or else…)
I doubt the judge will aim at the highest level appliable.
Especially when Garaufis doesn’t have a reputation to be an asshole but a human judge who level each and every facts.
Where shall I start with your misstatements of fact?
Allison did not collect “collateral.”
Collateral is property one puts up to the bank to secure a loan.
Allison Mack collected blackmail material that was to be used to control and manipulate women in the sex slave cult.
Allison Pimp Mack is really guilty of blackmail, extortion and sex trafficking.
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“And Allison is completely broke while Lauren is living in a million-dollar house.”
The RICO law, which was passed way back in 1970 before Allison was born, is designed to let the government seize property that was used in racketeering enterprises or property purchased through the proceeds of racketeering enterprises.
RICO makes sure that crime does not pay.
One would think that the great Chloe Sullivan would know about RICO.
In big cities like Chicago and New York, there are RICO cases all of the time in Federal court.
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“Despite the fact that those crime happened WAY before Allison’s time in Nxivm.”
The beauty of the RICO law is that it allows the government to prosecute crimes up to 20 years ago where the government can prove a long-running criminal conspiracy.
Allison Mack, the world’s their dumbest woman, chose to join a long-running criminal conspiracy called NXIVM.
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“the victim said clearly that Allison was a loving person.”
Yes, Allison Mack just loved heating up that cauterizing pen to 2000 degrees Fahrenheit and branding women like cattle.
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“You also have to consider that added to the many redeeming factors, she has fully cooperated.”
I noticed that the prosecution did not choose to have Allison Mack testify.
Maybe it has something to do with Allison Mack being a pathological liar in making false allegations against her own father.
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As for home confinement for Allison Mack I think that would be more of a punishment for her family than for Allison herself.
Anonymaker1:
“Actually, in the US legal system the allocution in a plea deal has to be genuine and originated by the defendant themselves, or the judge won’t accept it. ”
It as to for the ALLOCUTION! not the plea itself…but nice try Mr know it all.
The allocution is the part where she is really talking with her word, not the part where she accuse herself.
“I take it you must come from one of the countries where the judges and the prosecutors work things out in advance and trials are just for show, but that’s not what happens here.”
Really ? and what is my country, you Don’t need to speak like that to sound like an asshole…
BTW if there is any country that put a show for a trial (and it was also proved in this case), it’s USA…
“Mack did not need to know the real motive behind the conspiracy, to be fully culpable for her involvement in it. In most high control groups or cults it’s typically not obvious what the leader or guru’s true motives are; it’s always hard to discern how much they are just driven by power or money, and may or may not believe believe in what they claim to be the aims of the group.”
You are an idiot, If she didn’t know the real motives ,it’s changing the circumstances and she was (once again) at the level of any victim.
Also driven by power or money , both she didn’t had so what is her motivation ?
Like it or not, except an extreme minority of idiot who consider her as a leader , anyone properly equipped with a brain understood (from the lack of choice, her coercion , her starvation, sleep deprivation and the fact there is proof that what she asked to her pod was EXACTLY what other asked) that she was just a pawn.
I Don’t see you putting a rage against India who genuinly did the same…OR better blame Lauren apprepriatly!
No, only Allison!, you are a sick person, to the level of shadow and you really really should consult!
“And Salzman may have been with the company longer, but that’s irrelevant to her culpability in the particular criminal conspiracy, and the human and sex trafficking aspects of DOS – the worst abuses and criminal acts of which occurred in the 2 years that Mack was in the thick of it. ”
Hmmm no, you want to Believe that and ignore the reality but the worst abuses started atleast 20 years ago (unless you consider pedophilia to be completly fine, or statutory rape)
Allison collected collateral, this is the only fact shown in court for her…But for Lauren MANY crime were shown (and she admitted them.
Only an idiot try to defend a real perpetrator to blame a victim! congratulations, you are that idiot!
“The fact that in DOS, Mack effectively outranked”
False, it’s is clearly debunked in court but of course, for that, you need to read the info and not to create them based on your fantasy.
” and exercised authority over Salzman because she was “at the top” of “an alternative stripe path” (per Vicente) actually demonstrates Mack’s more pivotal role in the crimes and abuses”
Suuuuuure , and it was shown when? because for the people with a brain, Allison is actually way Under Lauren.
This is even clearer with your favorite “false fact” that you used to use all the time…the fake interview!
Who convinced Allison to take the blame? Lauren was there for the biggest décisions.
Allison didn’t emprison someone, Allison didn’t gain (financially) from those crime and ALLISON DIDN’T MADE THE CHOICE TO USE VIOLENCE TO PUNISH HER POD (cold shower for Allison and paddling for Lauren…)
“it was for instance Mack’s home where Salzman (per her court testimony) took her slaves to be branded, not the other way around.”
And it’s BS, she didn’t said Truth exclusively…
If it’s the condo, It doesn’t fit as Allison rented it from june 2017, if it’s her house (general way), it doesn’t fit as it’s rented to an outsider of Nxivm.
I assume it’s an “expression” …Allison’s house to avoid to name the person really owning the place while Allison was just sleeping here…
But there is Nothing that prove it happened at her house and if it did, Mr i hate Allison so much that i’ll spend my life trying to prove she is a monster, She( Lauren) also Added that Allison wasn’t at home when it happened…So the person responsible would be the one taking care of the house.
Nothing make sense with the house where the (non illegal) branding occured.
First Allison rented the condo from june 2017 but lived there before (when one of the other member rented this) but at the same time she was supposedly branding people in it, She was living with people not being part of DOS
And nobody noticed the branding….of course!
Anyway, you talk about the branding like it means a thing, as disgusting it is, it’s not the crime and Allison was clearly shown to have no decision or not being part of it’s creation.
The court is done with this and only a few idiot still want to Believe that shit.
Shadow stupid:
“Where shall I start with your misstatements of fact?”
By checking your own allegation maybe?
“Allison did not collect “collateral.””
Idiot, it’s not the term i use for the fun, it’s the term they use for the trial!
” Allison Mack collected blackmail material that was to be used to control and manipulate women in the sex slave cult.”
collected the blackmail material while being under the same threat is quite a difference to what you are pretending to be the facts…
” Allison Pimp Mack is really guilty of blackmail, extortion and sex trafficking.”
First, accusation makes no mention of sex trafficking…only you , sicko
BRANDING (which isn’t Allison doing in any way) ISN’T SEX TRAFFICKING so go outside, take a deep breathe and then try to buy yourself a BRAIN!
‘“And Allison is completely broke while Lauren is living in a million-dollar house.”
The RICO law, which was passed way back in 1970 before Allison was born, is designed to let the government seize property that was used in racketeering enterprises or property purchased through the proceeds of racketeering enterprises.”
And ? what is you point except sounding like an idiot?
” RICO makes sure that crime does not pay.”
It’s doing a great job seeing that Lauren who get the least problem is the one who profited the most of the crime…
“The beauty of the RICO law is that it allows the government to prosecute crimes up to 20 years ago where the government can prove a long-running criminal conspiracy.”
So, the RICO law is allowing the prosecution to attack someone who had nothing to do with the crime they are accused…you sure you understand what you say?no because i don’t want you to sound more idiotic than usual but you reached new levels here!
“Allison Mack, the world’s their dumbest woman, chose to join a long-running criminal conspiracy called NXIVM.”
Then why the other victim and you love Cat oxenberg and others are not punished? Nxivm is a CULT idiot!
“Yes, Allison Mack just loved heating up that cauterizing pen to 2000 degrees Fahrenheit and branding women like cattle.”
You still don’t swallow that the whole branding had nothing to do with Allison…I feel sorry for you! wait no i don’t!
Get help!
“I noticed that the prosecution did not choose to have Allison Mack testify.
Maybe it has something to do with Allison Mack being a pathological liar in making false allegations against her own father.”
Once again you talk about what you know…the only pathological liar around this case is you !
The false allegations were made by 2 of the witness too…
Nicole didn’t made that false allegation? YET she testified!
So by your (always idiotic) analyze, Allison should be released as the only testimony that justify her case is coming from a pathological Liar (and let it be clear, I do know that Nicole isn’t lying, i’m just showing how stupid, what you say, sounds)
“As for home confinement for Allison Mack I think that would be more of a punishment for her family than for Allison herself.”
You know that except a little minority like you and anonymaker, the people who KNOW Allison, instead of creating stories or deriving the truth are enjoying her presence.
Her parent have reason to be angry and yet, they aren’t. You know why? BECAUSE CONTRARY TO YOU, THEY KNOW IT ISN’T ALLISON WHO IS BEHIND THAT.
You can ignore the coercion, starvation and sleep deprivation (btw i see you really avoid them, you probably have checked the best source of info of yours…wiki) but sane people don’t ignore those…
The circumstance make a difference between someone WILLINGLY jumping into a crime and someone FORCED to jump into it.
In the eye of justice , a self defense isn’t punished the way a murder is
A forced murder (under pressure of gun) isn’t punished as the murder is…
Even the feelings can impact a decision of justice (passion crimes).
CIRCUMSTANCES ARE EVERYTHING and in Allison case:
She was coerced to do collect the COLLATERALS
She was starved so Raniere could keep even further control on her (just like he did on many victims)
She was sleep deprivated so Ranier could keep even further control on her
None of those are debatable!
And what crimes were committed by Allison?
By the trial, only collecting the COLLATERALS.
Forced labour is bogus (as seen in the answer of Nicole when asked about paying Allison)
Wire fraud is just an extension of the collecting of COLLATERALS.
As for the conspiracy…it was India who did the crimes so Why Allison should pay for it?
They failed to prove she had anything to do with it but proved (from the testimony of Jayes) that India did profit the crime (contrary to Allison)
Once again you hold yourself out as if you know all about what is going on, when you’re actually completely mistaken about even the basic facts.
Mack’s bond was set at $5 million, and met, because she has significant assets, including reportedly an office building – even if she chose to live in one of the typical cheap condos near Raniere.
Lauren Salzman lives in a modest, smaller than average size condo or house in Half Moon, near Knox Woods in Clifton Park, not even worth half a million dollars:
https://saratoga.sdgnys.com/viewlist.aspx?sort=printkey&swis=all&ownernamel=salzman&ownernamef=lauren
Allison broke Keith’s heart. Not Toni Natalie.
“Allison broke Keith’s heart. Not Toni Natalie.”
Not to worry Angelique Cortez aka Nicki.
Allison’s new friends Sweaty Betty and Heavy Hannah will keep her warm at night.
Allison, we forgive you. But you broke our hearts when you repudiated Keith. I know you are reading this.
“I know you are reading this.”
Angelina Cortez, how do you know that Allison is reading this?
Allison is not supposed to be on the internet.
Of course someone is still posting lots and lots of Allison’s publicity stills.
https://www.instagram.com/charger426hemi1/
And by the way are you any relation to Yolanda Cortez and Gabrielle Cortez?
The Cortez household must be a very crowded place.
I think you’re probably close on the prison time. I thought the monetary fine was the greater of $250k or twice the NXIVM profit.
Error alert: “– She had one beer the night before she was sentenced” should be “before she plead guilty” to ensure she was of sound mind, or at least not drunk.
“– She had one beer the night before she was sentenced – which sound a lot less elitist than the “one glass of wine” that Nancy Salzman and Lauren Salzman each said they had before their Plea Hearings.”
Alcohol damages brain cells and their ability to function properly.
As stupid as Allison, Nancy and Lauren are, these so called ladies should not drink alcohol.
I wonder how many gallons of beer you take every day to be in the state you are today?
“I wonder how many gallons of beer you take every day to be in the state you are today?”
I don’t drink alcohol.
“I Don’t drink alcohol”
How virtuous, you want a medal?
But seriously, stop drinking terebenthine (or whatever substance you take) because you Don’t have much more brain cell to spare…
It’s not the alcohol really. It’s the lack of solid food any of them have been eating. Booze and no food is a disaster waiting to happen.
MK10Art has already dipped into the future and has drawn a picture of Allison in prison playing with her personal pet rat.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B3V_3hhHFp4/
I’ve always been in the “both” camp when it comes to Allison Mack, it is completely within the realm of possibilities to be a victim of Reiner and still be a Perpetrator of heinous acts on other people.
That being said (maybe it is the fangirl in me) but I am still hoping she gets a relatively light sentence.
Sorry to say but you seem oblivious of the facts.
First it is RANIERE. and second , she only perpetrated the collecting of the collaterals. Nothing else!
And she did this , like all the victim, Under the pressure of coercion (collateral that she was FORCED to give).
She also had other redeeming factor like the starvation and sleep deprivation (which are scientifically proved to have an impact on décisions)
We know she was definately forced to do things as it was said several time in court (like when Raniere and Lauren put pressure on her to take the blame during the fake interview)), we also know it’s a fact that she was starved and sleep deprivated (confirm by Nicole, the victim. She pointed that it happened BEFORE she entered in DOS and she wondered why Allison was waking up)
She deserve less ,technically, than she received at the moment (it’s been a year and half! )
The reality of her crime stop way further than what is pleaded (the trial showed it…she took a bullet of the team , yet again)
Like i pointed, the forced labor is bogus (or else, Nicole , one of the victim, victimized Allison of the same! Allison asked her for a service (after helping her several time) and without using any coercion…She never threatened anyone, not once. Only Raniere threatened)
The extortion isn’t complete either (She collected the collateral (Under coercion herself) but she never used them (nor took Financial advantage of them (Contrary to India who got Jayes to pay for her jewels).
Actually, no matter what people say or what her plea deal say (i remind that the criminal part isn’t written by the person who accept, it is likely a “placeholder” part given by the prosecution), she exclusively collected the collateral (and i repeat , Under coercion as it’s an extremely redeeming factor)
Allison was forced to sign the plea deal or accept to get a potential of life in jail (because Raniere’s background (pedophilia) would have dragged Allison in the same gutter…
Even thou she was NEVER connected at all to those crimes (especially since it happened before Allison was in the cult)
Sadly, she shouldn’t be involved in the trial at all as she was a victim of the cult. But due to the false information given by some (wrongfully claiming that Allison was the lead of DOS, that she created DOS, and the fact that the victim who testified was her victim) , she was considered a perpetrator.
No matter what is said, she is a victim, Nothing will change that!
Waiting for the day to come, that she can finally tell her side of the story
“First it is RANIERE. and second…” For one who feels the need the correct someone off the bat, perhaps you should employ a proofreader, Nicki, since you have the ability to spell and the grammar of a 6th grader. Then again, Reiner did like y’all young and dumb.
I always spell his name wrong. Partially because my phone hates me and partially because I don’t really care how his name is spelled.
” and partially because I don’t really care how his name is spelled.”
Ok , know you got me, it’s an excellent excuse so my apology (and i’m sincere…he doesn’t deserve to be named at all if you ask me).
But i maintain the rest as you talk about “heinous act” and that is not what Allison did.
Allison said to be a “loving person” by the only victim who testified against her didn’t brand her, didn’t beat her, she just collected the collaterals just like many other victims.
Don’t fall for the “she was an henchwoman” , it’s BS and debunked in court.
And Don’t forget the fact that she was in a particular position.
The coercion is proved
The starvation is more than just proved
The sleep deprivation is also proved…
And the impact is proved scientifically for both starvation and sleep deprivation.
If you ignore this, than the crimes wouldn’t exist because the supposed coercion that Allison exerced on Nicole is the reason she was a defendant…
She never threaten so technically it’s not even coercion at all
But the Monster (R not to name him) did threaten Allison and Nicole (Allison for the interview (atleast))
If you ignore the redeeming factor that prove that Allison is another victim, you are actually either doing a double standard (as Allison is not a victim while coerced but Nicole is while in the same situation) or you have to accept that no crime occured at all.
(and just to please Clifton Parker who probably burned a couple of neurones to discover my “real” ID)
Nicki
I stopped reading you at ” Nicki”…
OH NO, YOU PIERCED MY DISGUISE!
I doubt Nicki would defend Allison at all but continue believing in your own idiocy, one day you’ll reach Shadow’s level (but there is still a lot of work to reach it)
So I have to note this one:
I’ve been discovered as a Mexican, Frenchie, who is a Nxian and potentially I’m Nicki.
Someone else want to add something?
LoL
Imagine defending a nasty cancerous rat like Alison Mack?
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Anonymous 2:55 “No matter what is said, she is a victim, Nothing will change that!”
To put this plainly, “no matter what the facts, I will never change my mind.” An all too common method of argument. Back in the day of Smallville fandom, I learned about this kind of attitude all too well. It was, frankly, hilarious. Smallville began with no Lois character; it was Clark Kent and his high school friends, one of whom was Chloe, played by Allison Mack. Girl-next-door Chloe had a crush on hunky Clark, but in typical teen-tragic fashion Clark wanted to be “just friends”. I shed a tear just thinking about it. Well, Chloe (and Mack) had a fan base who were fiercely identifiable with poor forlorn Chloe, so imagine the furor when Lois was introduced a few seasons later. She can’t, can’t be the real Lois! Chloe is supposed to be Lois! The Mack fans were furious.
For years– literally years– the Mack fans insisted against all evidence that Lois wasn’t Lois, Chloe was Lois. They came up with convoluted, improbable theories of how it would be revealed that they spoke the truth. At conventions, they asked the writers and producers of the show, who told them politely that yes, in fact Lois is Lois and Chloe is not Lois.
It was really quite comical. But they were dead serious. The Chloe fanboys hated Lois. They hated the actress who played Lois. To the point of talking openly about slashing her face. Oh yes, they were serious.
Facts never change the mind of a true believer. This is why a few people still remain loyal to Raniere and Mack. Just as a few people remained loyal to Charles Manson.
This is why people join cults in the first place; some minds won’t be changed by facts. They believe what they want to believe.
Really!? Would you feel the same if these atrocities happened to you or your child? Just because your a “fan girl” to a make believe character you think she deserves a light sentence? Allison knows the difference between right and wrong. Victim or not she chose evil. Raniere did what masters do. He allowed Mack to become her true self.