This is part 3 of Allison Through the Looking Glass – a series on how Allison Mack was portrayed at the trial of Keith Alan Raniere. It is important for some readers to get a glimpse of Mack who will be sentenced most likely sometime this year for her role in the Nxivm crime organization.
Allison’s likely sentence is in the 3-5 year range. However, the judge could sentence her to the max of 40 years or suspend the sentence altogether.
The witness on the stand is Mark Vicente. It is the fourth day of trial. He is being examined by Assistant US Attorney Mark Lesko.
He has already testified that Allison was starved and confused. Now, he speaks more directly and exclusively about Allison.
Lesko: Did you witness the defendant [Keith Raniere] being physically intimate with Allison Mack?
Vicente: I did…
Q Let’s discuss Allison Mack for a moment.
A Sure….
Q Do you recall when you first met Ms. Mack?
A Yes. I don’t recall the exact year, but it was at a volleyball game. She had just flown in from, I think it was Seattle on the Bronfman jet, and he had just come from the airport to come and meet — well, she told me to come and meet me and Raniere.
Q What was Allison Mack’s role in NXIVM?
A Well, in the beginning, she was, you know, a student who became a coach, who eventually became a proctor. She was one of the heads of Jness… she was one of the leaders. She was [also] the head of humanities in Albany.
Q Was that a committee?
A That’s a committee…. she also was the head of the company called The Source, which would be the acting program. And then she also for a time was involved in a company called The Knife. The Knife of Aristotle was a media analysis company.
Q Who promoted Allison Mack to proctor?
A I don’t recall exactly, but I do remember having a discussion with Lauren Salzman about it. Because I remember when she was going to be promoted, I remember saying …. ‘are you serious? That’s insane. There’s something not stable about her. And … she’s got this gaggle of women that she’s mentoring that are not doing well.” I was very concerned. I don’t recall who exactly gave the final sign-off on the promotion, though.
Q Who had ultimate authority to decide on who would progress on the path?
A The ultimate authority was [Keith] Raniere. Lauren Salzman would make the final decisions because he [Raniere] would be the final say.
Q Was Allison Mack a member of the defendant’s trusted group?
A She was.
Q When was The Source developed?
A The Source was developed sometime at 2014. It was one of the companies under … The Ultima umbrella, and it originally consisted of Allison and then I think there was 12 of us… altogether.
Q And did The Source have curriculum?
A The Source had curriculum. What would happen … is Raniere would meet with us. Myself or somebody else would videotape the meeting. And that would be turned into the actual curriculum. And then once he had done [this] … the term … he and others used, ‘the download of all of the material,’ that was turned into written things and videotapes and then we began running trainings.
Q And the focus was on actors?
A The focus was on actors. We were told later musicians and public speakers, but it was mostly performance. …. being in front of people, how to best use the instrument of presentation or performance.
Q Did the curriculum developed for The Source, was that an adaptation of the defendant’s tech system as applied to actors?
A To some degree. There were certain things in there that were part of some of the other curriculum. There was a section that was from Ultima Reverence in terms of teaching people: emotional flexibility, how to deal with feelings that you struggled with. And then there was this…. focus on showing — looking like you’re having the feeling. But you don’t have to [feel] it, just look like you’re having it. So again, like you don’t have to be feeling any grief just… look [like] what people look like when they’re grief-stricken…. do that. What do their heads do, arms do, do they look down? And basically, you know, teach actors as opposed to models. I was used to the more inside out [method of acting], which was with ‘field of thing’ body, find a moment in your life [to capture the mood]. This was more, well, a shortcut. Just look like you’re having the emotion and the audience will believe you.
Q Did Allison Mack eventually move to Clifton Park?
A She did eventually. She moved from Casual Gardens, I think, to Clifton Park.
Q Do you recall approximately when this happened?
A I know for sure it was pre-2013, but I don’t remember the exact year.
Q And where did Allison Mack reside in Clifton Park?
A So she moved into 77 Generals Way, actually, along with my wife and I….
Q Did you stop living with Allison Mack at 7 Generals Way?
A Yes.
Q What happened?
A She said at one point she needed to do some more private work and she needed to be alone. So she moved a few blocks away to Grenadier Court…. She said she needed privacy to do some of the different projects she was working on.
Q Did Allison Mack get along with your wife?
A At the beginning, I think, yes. Later, not so much.
Q Was your wife involved in The Source?
A Yes.
Q Was there conflict between your wife and Allison Mack regarding The Source?
A There was. The concerns my wife [Bonnie Piesse] had related to the divisions that were occurring in the company, where there were like 12, maybe 13 people that all felt that this was part of their company, and then suddenly there were their divisions, of like, ‘no, you people are not in charge, these people are in charge.’
And it … was messy. She [Bonnie] had concerns about the way it was handled. The way some people had been … pushed to the side as unimportant, in essence, just having no value in this company at all. And she brought that up a few times, and she was challenged a great deal about that. And she also had concerns about Allison’s psychology [her] erratic behavior and whether she would be able to lead well.
Q At some point do you recall a meeting involving yourself, Allison Mack, your wife and the defendant?
A Yes. He [Keith] offered to do an arbitration between Allison and my wife, and I was there as well. Because I had said to him ‘things were not working. There’s a lot of unresolved issues with this company and a lot of people feel very slighted.’ So he said, ‘Well, maybe I should jump on board,’ which is pretty unusual. Most of the time he would say ‘it’s not good if I would do an arbitration because I’m final point. After me is the point of no return,’ so [he had] other people do that. For some reason, he felt that he would do the arbitration.
Q What was an arbitration at NXIVM?
A An arbitration at NXIVM is basically figuring out what is the issue that each person is having, and then trying to help them understand how the issue they’re having is related to their particular issues. You know, their inner deficiencies, their life issues, that kind of thing and to get each party to take responsibility for what’s theirs and then see if there’s any action that needs to be taken in some way.
So it wasn’t just, “Well, okay, each of you talk.” It’s “Each of you talk and now let’s look at other unresolved things with respect to each of you that you need to look at that may be affecting the way you’re seeing things.” That’s generally speaking.
Q So what did the defendant say at the arbitration meeting involving yourself, Allison Mack and your wife?
A Well, he started the meeting by saying, “Well, let’s just start with ground rules. Does everybody at the table believe that everybody at this table has good intent?’ And, of course, everybody said ‘yes.’ If you said ‘no,’ it would be a huge problem. Saying ‘no’ was a huge problem because it looks like, you project. Like you think somebody has bad intent, well, clearly you’re the one with bad intent, so of course you said ‘yes.’
And then he began to elicit from each person different things. He basically had Allison admit that she hated my wife, was trying to destroy her. Was very jealous of her. And then, you know, he said to my wife, basically, “There’s things you’ve been through like loss of innocence. I’ve seen this kind of thing.” And then he tasked Allison with finishing it [ending the problem], that what she’d done was a real problem and that she needed to really look into herself and fix this impulse that she has to destroy another woman. You know that has to be fixed. So that was the way I remembered [the arbitration] ending was basically she [Allison] has to go fix this.
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Girls By Design was Kristin Kreuk’s project. Where do you get off trying to pass the buck? Kreuk recruited Voth. Kreuk created GBD as her NXIVM project.
One ex-GBD member has posted in the comments saying she left as they were targeting girls younger than her seventeen years. Another has spoken to Frank. Kreuk was still publicly promoting GBD in 2010, up until it started to wind down.
Kendra Voth is a liar, claiming she left the cult in 2009 when she was on the 2011 coach list.
You are obviously a stupid Kreuk groupie trying to take heat off the subject of your infatuation. You have zero evidence to call it Voth’s project. And Kreuk herself said in interviews, easily accessible online how SHE came up with NXIVM, of course without mentioning her NXIVM cult.
Kruek and many others got away with too much. Being a dumb fuck doesn’t absolve you of guilt. But don’t worry, some a-hole like sos will stick up for them. Turdballs, all of them.
…as opposed to Raniere, who hated all women and had an intense need to destroy women.
I wonder if Allison has found herself a “new” lifestyle yet or if she still wants her personal and social identifications to stay with the culty group? Maybe she has suspended her lifestyle decisions until after she learns how she is sentenced, (?) since probably that’s what is mainly on her mind at this point. Maybe she will get a surprise and get off lightly. She seems to have a kind of personality wherein she could adapt and do well in prison, if she makes the effort to keep herself occupied and decides to interact with the other prisoners, without trying to impress them with her “marvelousness.” With a bit of subtlety, perhaps she could become popular again, at last.
She might arrange for a little bit less incarceration time, as well as a time not necessarily quite so punitive, if she would simply get pregnant, maybe sometime this autumn. She could have a baby, somebody to love more profoundly than she loves herself, if such a miracle is possible for Mack. Having spent much of her adult life making dumbass decisions, what harm would one more impractical, irresponsible move do, really?
Then after this imprisonment and birthing is over and she and little Keithy Anne are free at last, they can move to Mauritania, a rather traditionally matriarchal society where large, possibly guttural and philosophically resigned women spend everyday cooking and studiously overeating their couscous dishes and hollering, futilely and passionately, to get the men to do something, anything.
Allison could be happily acculturated into Mauitanian social norms. She would never feel too fat. Her Germanic appearance would always get her ATTENTION and possibly even overwhelming approval and applause. She might get to be queen for more than just an hour or a half-day, at Raniere’s whim. Allison need not give up upon looking for a fiefdom for her inferiority/superiority complexes. For in Mauritania, even the way she farts might be fascinating, and it could be easy for poor Allison could win over another crowd.
However, with her skill set, Allison could be of value to even bigger sex-trafficking systems than merely the inadequate DOS experiences contained in her resumé, so far. With some discipline and hard conditioning, maybe Allison could become another Ghislaine Maxwell, only the goose-stepping teutonic version instead of representing the Moosadic classification.
Sounds to me like Keith was the one projecting and setting up Allison as the “woman hater” right then and there just in case anyone detected or presumed any mal-intent behind the branding he could then attribute to Allison not himself and/or the co. owners & principles.
Just as the imaginary “AM” in the brand was attributed to Allison Mack in the early media reports proceeding KAR’s arrest.
I also find it circumspect that so many leadership positions in so many different companies were conferred on Allison — by or, allegedly, “through” Lauren. At the same time as Keith was supposedly “breaking” her and given Allison’s alleged misogynistic issues.
I’m reminded of “Jane’s” testimony on FR last year about Keith making Kristin Kreuk head of “Girls By Design” and Allison head of “Gone in Saigon” under some twisted excuse.
And why would so many girls flock to Allison were she really so hateful?
Keith & co have manipulated interpersonal dynamics to their advantage for decades. Gina even wrote about fierce arguments the girls would have over Keith. I’m sure by now they have it down to a science. …Look for a new “tech” download on how to gain enlightenment in prison.
“Sounds to me like Keith was the one projecting and setting up Allison as the “woman hater” right then and there”.
Absolutely…and to be honest, the arbitration shows that the only potential jealousy seen there was coming from Bonnie Piesse for the leadership of the source…
Which wasn’t really in Allison’s hand in the end…
“Just as the imaginary “AM” in the brand was attributed to Allison Mack in the early media reports proceeding KAR’s arrest.”
To be fair, the imaginary “AM” was Parlato’s work…He was talking about this before anyone. Most media ignored this allegation…
“I also find it circumspect that so many leadership positions in so many different companies were conferred on Allison — by or, allegedly, “through” Lauren. At the same time as Keith was supposedly “breaking” her and given Allison’s alleged misogynistic issues”
True, Why give leadership to someone so full of issues?…
“And why would so many girls flock to Allison were she really so hateful?”
Don’t try to get an answer from here…common sense is forbidden here!
But Heidi, Don’t expect to see a change of point of view around here…
Despite lots of the proof (and scientific facts), Raniere will always be the victim of the almighty Allison…
Even Frank believes that story now!
Heidi, I’ve looked at the brands, and it does appear that some of them have an extra “leg” of sorts, which would make it contain both KR and AM. I wonder if for instance those in Allison’s pod were different, and did contain her initials.
See, for instance,
Thanks, Anony. I hadn’t seen “KARMA” spelled out before! For me that highlights the fact that there was some deliberate effort in its design to deceptively obscure Keith’s monogram so that other interpretations could be read into it.
Indeed, most seem to have embraced the deception that the brand was a “symbol of the elements” complete with “mountains.”
Too bad Allison didn’t testify as to what she was told about the significance, whether or not she helped design it and who did if not.
The latest Allison Mack selfie showing a mature adult woman.
Posted nine hours ago.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B2S7dnNgXgU/
obsessed with Allison much? poor baby.
“Mature adult woman”. give me a break! When she can take a selfie and keep her tongue in her mouth then MAYBE we can consider the maturity issue.
a few things that are out of situation obviously:
“A I don’t recall exactly, but I do remember having a discussion with Lauren Salzman about it. Because I remember when she was going to be promoted, I remember saying …. ‘are you serious? That’s insane. There’s something not stable about her. And … she’s got this gaggle of women that she’s mentoring that are not doing well.” I was very concerned. I don’t recall who exactly gave the final sign-off on the promotion, though.”
That mean it happened quite late (around 2015) but they don’t mention it
“Q Was Allison Mack a member of the defendant’s trusted group?
A She was.”
Once again, around 2015 as he was not trusting unless you are collateralized.
“Q Did Allison Mack eventually move to Clifton Park?
A She did eventually. She moved from Casual Gardens, I think, to Clifton Park.
Q Do you recall approximately when this happened?
A I know for sure it was pre-2013, but I don’t remember the exact year.”
She left Cobble hill(Brooklyn) in reality…It was barely pre-2013, end of 2012.
She left her appartment around september 2012.
“Q At some point do you recall a meeting involving yourself, Allison Mack, your wife and the defendant?
A Yes. He [Keith] offered to do an arbitration between Allison and my wife, and I was there as well. Because I had said to him ‘things were not working. There’s a lot of unresolved issues with this company and a lot of people feel very slighted.’ So he said, ‘Well, maybe I should jump on board,’ which is pretty unusual. Most of the time he would say ‘it’s not good if I would do an arbitration because I’m final point. After me is the point of no return,’ so [he had] other people do that. For some reason, he felt that he would do the arbitration.”
Of course he did, so he could take control of Allison a little more under the disguise of “you are wrong and need to be punished”.
“Q So what did the defendant say at the arbitration meeting involving yourself, Allison Mack and your wife?
A Well, he started the meeting by saying, “Well, let’s just start with ground rules. Does everybody at the table believe that everybody at this table has good intent?’ And, of course, everybody said ‘yes.’ If you said ‘no,’ it would be a huge problem. Saying ‘no’ was a huge problem because it looks like, you project. Like you think somebody has bad intent, well, clearly you’re the one with bad intent, so of course you said ‘yes.’
And then he began to elicit from each person different things. He basically had Allison admit that she hated my wife, was trying to destroy her. Was very jealous of her. And then, you know, he said to my wife, basically, “There’s things you’ve been through like loss of innocence. I’ve seen this kind of thing.” And then he tasked Allison with finishing it [ending the problem], that what she’d done was a real problem and that she needed to really look into herself and fix this impulse that she has to destroy another woman. You know that has to be fixed. So that was the way I remembered [the arbitration] ending was basically she [Allison] has to go fix this.”
And there we go…Allison who was perfectly fine before Nxivm need to be fixed…by Raniere
Remember the chronology (because this is not clearly state here)
All this happens AFTER 2013…
Allison was then already following the diet and started to be collateralized (started from 2014 to 2018 with ultimate collateral given in 2015…when she was dragged in DOS)…
Some people who met Allison in 2013 said that she was following the diet and was looking in terrible shape, tired and malnourished.
The “arbitration” happened before she moved out and that is telling a lot about what Raniere pushed her to do.
And before i get a “she could say no”…everyone could have said no, including the other victims.
At the beginning, she could say no but once the cycle is started, unless someone manage to break it, she was not in control anymore…
Between the real impact of the starvation and sleep deprivation and the collaterals (at first financial but then more personnal until Raniere obtained her life), she was stuck.
Allison wasn’t unstable before all this…He did that to her!
What is funny is the excessive obsession against Allison while ignoring that many of the victims accepted their situation with just the coercion(diet was not for each of the slaves)…
Yet Allison was messed up mentally by the diet , sleep deprivation AND the coercion.
What we’re seeing right now is various groups of vultures hovering over the carcass of NXIM.
We have the Bronfmans and the Mexican elites who have lots of money.
Both the Bronfmans and the Mexicans employ the diligent and industrious Nicki Clyne who might not be a genius but she understands that “money makes the world go around.”
Then we have Nancy and Lauren Salzman.
As a co-founder of NXIVM Nancy might be a sentimental favorite but these two women lack the financial resources to compete with the Bronfmans and the Mexicans.
Then we have Mark Vicente and Karen Unterreiner.
While these two might pose as reformers they are highly compromised y their various activities under Raniere.
This free for all is what one gets by the government’s refusal to fully prosecute ALL of the NXIVM gangsters and wipe the organization off the face of the earth.
Ultimately those with the most financial resources will pick up the pieces.
Shhh. We’re not allowed to talk about that.
The new FR looks beautiful
With all the ads? Yeah right!
FR up and running since 2015, why begrudge a bit of revenue?
Head of The Source. One of the heads of Jness. Part of some company called The Knife. For Nxivm itself she was a coach and a proctor and part of some “humanities committee. Plus she was a lieutenant in DOS. So many spinoff companies; how could anyone with an honest bone in their body think all these Russian doll shadow companies were legit? What did Jness actually do, anyway? Why did a “media analysis company” (??) have such a threatening name as The Knife?
Everyone involved in Nxivm must’ve known there was something highly suspicious about all this. Nobody’s that stupid.
If you are food and sleep deprived, you can get pretty stupid.
Having observed or been in what seem to me like somewhat comparable situations, from college friends’ utopian communities (one inherited enough money to start one up) to business and non-profit start-ups, my take is that it was a heady atmosphere and they thought that they had ideas and techniques that were going to take the world by storm, and apply to all variety of human endeavors.
What strikes me is how how broadly Mack was involved in NXIVM – particularly when the anonym “Frenchie” keeps trying to portray her as just another slave. It seems that she was used partly for her relatively celebrity, and didn’t quite have what it took to break into the highest levels of NXIVM management, but she was still deeply and broadly involved, including in things that must have involved significant initiative on her part.
She is indeed a curious figure, who has yet to be explained in a way that really makes sense.
Kruek in my opinion was used for her celebrity and was not upper management material either, but was smart enough to recruit for the cult using Girls By Design, which is one of the reasons that made her “broadly involved” in the cult. No pun intended.
Compared to Mack, she was very narrowly involved – and not nearly as deeply, either. Though neither seems particularly bright, or capable of executive-level decision-making.
I don’t think it’s at all clear whether she was savvy enough to realize that GBD could be, or was, a clever recruiting scheme, or just blithely thought it was a way to use principles she believed to be valuable, to help young women.
Maybe your beliefs condone recruiting 12-14-year-olds to a monster for sex, Mine do not. She was with the cult longer than most think (until 2016) and made no apologies for trying to serve up minors to Raniere for sex. Narrowly involved my ass. She taught Mack the ropes.
Anonymaker, Girls By Design was more Kendra Voth’s pursuit than Kristin’s. She still lists the company on her LinkedIn page under Experience and her title in it as “Founder and CEO”: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kendra-voth-1a880912/
As for this notion that Kristin was involved in recruiting teen girls for the sexual proclivities of Keith Raniere or for NXIVM via this company, that has always been absurd. No tangible nor verifiable proof has ever been provided. Where are the multitude of girls with actual names who have gone on the record and said they joined NXIVM through it? Nowhere because they don’t exist.
“Narrowly involved my ass“
Are you suggesting you were a member of Girls By Design? How were you narrowly involved?
Yeah try to get things out of proportion and ignore the facts…once again
Maybe you should learn to consider the facts.
Let’s try to find the criminal action of these companies (where she was just another pawn…but of course, you ignore the other players and prefer to be obsessed about Allison)
Jness: Crime committed?
It was just a public front between the cult and the rest of the world…a doorway to the cult.
The knife : Crime committed? (except the bad faith and ridiculous analyzes)
And she was not really there, she was supposed to be part of it but it barely happened.
Only the source was (sort of) linked to the crime Allison is accused of…and she obviously wasn’t the lead of it since “12 divisions were fighting over it”
She was nothing but the front (and future scapegoat).
And if anything, Vicente had more power than her in the source (it’s obvious in many of the document published during the trial)
“Nobody’s that stupid.”
Actually you prove that some people are, each time you post Something.
First, Acteon didn’t say it was criminal, just questioned whether it was “legit.” Clearly, like a typical cult, they were running a bunch of different front groups calculated to get their influence into the world, and to recruit people into NXIVM and DOS, while deliberately hiding the actual connection to their guru Raniere – particularly since if they were up front about who their Master was, an internet search anyone could do would turn up that they were shilling for a con man pedophile.
However, it does go to show that Mack held a lot of different roles for a supposed mere “pawn.” She was a lieutenant or henchwoman for Raniere all over the place, not just DOS. But perhaps your best defense for her, would indeed be that she was just so stupid that she didn’t realize what she was doing 24/7, from Albany to Puerto Vallarta.
Your Ally spent her years in the cult not just going along, but going to lengths to actively deceive people in everything she did – even lying to her slaves about the weekly “family photos” that were actually taken for Raniere, and sent to him. Apparently she deceived you, too.
And Acteon didn’t even mention Girls By Design, yet another deceptive, creepy recruiting front Mack was involved in, whether it was “just” to recruit girls into NXIVM, or whether she knew it was more sinisterly intended to introduce them to BDSM and groom them as sex slaves for DOS, and ultimately as “fuck toys” for her Master.
So we have a couple more to add to your list. Mack was:
* broadly involved in running and promoting NXIVM’s front groups used for deceptive recruiting
* engaged in deliberate, constant deception to outsiders being recruited through front groups
* engaged in deliberate, constant deception to insiders, including her slaves of whom she was taking naked photos
* providing “fuck toys” for her Master Raniere
Did I forget anything?
Allison Mack was certainly into a lot of money making schemes.
Allison Mack claimed to want to help people but she was really turned on by sex with Raniere, the money of the Bronfmans and the power of being in a sex trafficking gang.
Allison Mack certainly had many schemes to make money.
-You mean, that she earned as much money as Lauren, or maybe as nicky or maybe you mean as much money as Mark Vicente sure you talk about money like the one that made clear.
And there we go again…not once you can stick to the fact.
ALLISON IS BROKE! Bronfman, Salzmans and many others have lots of money but not Allison.
At least try to follow the story a bit (instead of making your own)
She was not linked to 1, not 1 of the money schemes (except in your fantasy)
Part 3 sheds a lot of light on how Keith Raniere controlled the NXIVM Clifton Park environment and culture.
Raniere literally and figuratively used NewsSpeak straight out of George Orwell’s book 1984……
I’m amazed Felicity Huffman “may” go to prison on Friday before any of the Nxivm women. Shocking development really.
Why is it shocking?
Not really. That case was much simpler.
The case isn’t exactly the same…the complexity of this case compared to the one involving Huffman isn’t comparable.
Also that is if the sentencing is given directly…look at the postponed date in Raniere’s trial…
Russel,Salzman (mother) and Bronfman were supposed to be sentenced in june…
Salzman (daughter) and Mack were supposed in september
And Raniere should have been sentenced at the verdict and yet…
This can still happen to this other case.
And I am amazed that Lori Loughlin was taken off Hallmark for being (criminally) stupid, but Sarah Edmondson, who profited from the trust and stupidity of other Nexians, and was stupid enough herself to believe in NXIVM’s drek tech, is still with the network. Maybe it’s the fact that Sarah was on a kibbutz, Lori Loughlin not?
Edmondson was a whistle blower, Loughlin wasn’t.
Frank, I like your blog but your new ads posted everywhere are so intrusive it makes for a bad user experience when visiting your site…
Then go set up your own blog. The ads don’t bother me a bit, I see them all of the time on the internets. Grow up, Kev.
Allison is a fool. She gets what she deserves and I predict Keith will be free from his appeal sooner than foolish Allison. Who took a plea.
Pea”
Does this mean the Honeymoon is over?
I thought you two ladies were a perfect couple.
When Nicki Clyne takes over NXIVM will Allison be welcome back to the fold?
Will Allison be treated like the sheep who went astray but has seen the error of her ways?
Kind of like the “Prodigal Daughter” as opposed to the Prodigal Son.
https://frankreport.com/2019/02/27/mathematician-computes-devotion-sultan-has-for-kristin-kreuk/
https://frankreport.com/2019/03/06/mathematician-makes-further-enlarged-computations-on-sultans-devotion-to-kristin-kreuk/
For all we know, Keith was attempting to cultivate feelings of resentment and jealousy, not alleviate them. He probably wanted Allison to feel isolated so she would confide in him more.
Max, you are nothing but an apologist for Allison Mack, a misogynistic woman who hates and despises other women.
Allison Mack’s sadism towards other women is innate in her personality.
“She (Bonnie) also had concerns about Allison’s psychology [her] erratic behavior and whether she would be able to lead well.” Mark Vicente
No one who knows Allison Mack is surprised by her nickname “Allie Wack.”
There will always be other women prettier, younger or more talented than Allison Mack and Ms. Mack can not accept being anything less than perfect.
Shadow blowing facts out of his asshole
I wasn’t even addressing Mack’s psychology specifically… If I wanted to resolve a dispute between two people, I’d try to focus on common ground or things they could agree on. I.e. shake hands and apologize to each other. I would never try to get one of them to admit they want to destroy the other. Chances are that would make things worse.
That being said though, if you really wrote a letter to the judge about Allison, I suppose I have to write him one too, to explain what a nut you are :p
if you really wrote a letter to the judge about Allison, I suppose I have to write him one too, to explain what a nut you are :p
And the judge will have to wonder who the defendants are in this case.
Raniere, Mack, Bronfman, the Salzmans and Russell or someone from the Midwest whose name is unknown and who merely expressed his opinion citing a specific news story in the Frank Report.
Shadow, you definately need mental help…
Shadow writing a sentencing recommendation to the Judge could be interesting, especially if the Judge investigates further Shadow’s previous history with the young starlet who so captured Shadow’s imagination. Could the allegations made by some posters when Shadow first appeared at The Frank Report (when AMack’s involvement with the cult was disclosed) that Shadowstate was actually Shadowstalker be true? (Not that that makes him a bad fellow, just that it makes Shadow an ironic “expert” on misogynism and the treatment of women).
“Shadow writing a sentencing recommendation to the Judge could be interesting, especially if the Judge investigates further Shadow’s previous history with the young starlet who so captured Shadow’s imagination. ”
You’re like the monkeys in the zoo that like to throw their shit at people.
And Allison Mack’s branding women with hot metal is the very definition of misogyny.
“You’re like the monkeys in the zoo that like to throw their shit at people.
And Allison Mack’s branding women with hot metal is the very definition of misogyny.”
You are the only monkey around here…
Also try to stick with the Truth there, it’s undisputable, she wasn’t related directly to the branding…atleast , if she was, she was at the same level as say…india.
idiot!
No one who knows Allison Mack is surprised by her nickname “Allie Wack.”
uh let me see, maybe, your former smallville companions, your former companions in movies where I work and I can’t think of your family and old friends, not to mention thousands of fans around the world.
but of course you are an “expert” of the personality of someone in a cult and how it changes as you decide in the cult.
Allison Mack’s sadism towards other women is innate in her personality.
According to YOUR statement you already knew allison’s personality very well before NXIVM, in addition to that you made a full psychological assessment of it based on my vast knowledge and experience in psychology.
No one who knows Allison Mack is surprised by his nickname “Allie Wack”.
This is funny, so if you understand why everyone calls you perverted obsessed.