[Our correspondent Dianne Lipson attended the indictment dismissal hearing for Jeffrey Epstein today and gives an impressive report on the events.]
By Dianne Lipson
Because of Jeffrey Epstein’s untimely death, US District Judge Richard Berman held a hearing today to dismiss the indictment.
In a twist, the judge allowed the alleged victims to make statements at the hearing. Instead of being held, as previously scheduled, at the Daniel Patrick Moynihan Courthouse, the hearing was held in a larger room at the older, venerable, Thurgood Marshall United States Courthouse.
Waiting to enter the courtroom, I saw a tall woman wheeling a baby in a stroller. She turned out to be an Epstein victim, represented by Gloria Allred.
Judge Berman began by thanking everyone for their hard work. He said the news on August 10th that Epstein was found dead in his cell was shocking. The anticipated next step would have been the defense motions, followed by a jury trial in which the accusers and the accused would meet face to face, and everyone would get their day in court.
The judge called Epstein’s death a stunning turn of events.
Judge Berman made reference to an article critical of him, in a New York Law Journal titled, “The Judge in Epstein’s Case Should Not Turn the Dismissal Into a Drama for the Victims,” which said of his decision, “This is an odd moment for transparency in a criminal case.”
Judge Berman disagreed with the article and gave examples to bolster his decision, adding that there has not been much minimization of the drama in this case. It’s better to involve the victims before rather than after.
He also mentioned that one of the authors is counsel in one of the Epstein related cases.
Maurene R. Comey, a prosecutor, assured the judge that the government would still pursue others who may have aided Epstein, saying those investigations “have been ongoing, remain ongoing and will continue.”
Prosecutors also said a grand jury was investigating Epstein’s death.
Reid Weingarten, one of Epstein’s lawyers, asked Judge Berman to conduct an independent investigation into Epstein’s death.
Weingarten said Judge Berman could hold hearings or assign an independent lawyer.
A lawyer for Epstein also brought up the serious improprieties in the jail. There are allegations that people falsified documentation. Epstein was never to be left alone.
The defense was also assured from medical and scientific professionals that Epstein’s injuries were more consistent with assault than suicide.
Regarding Epstein’s death, he said defense lawyers did not see a despondent or suicidal person. Moreover, “We have heard that the [surveillance] tapes were either corrupted or not functioning.”
The defense heard that the tape system was broken for six months. But what if the tapes were only inoperative or corrupted on the day he died? The defense stated that these are incredibly important questions, that there are conspiracy theories galore, and the court has the authority to find out what happened. This is important for the public to have confidence in the system.
Conditions in US Federal Prison Are Like Third World
Conditions at the jail were dreadful, both for Epstein and other inmates. Vermin, abuse, it’s a disgrace, his lawyers said.
He cited reports that conditions at Guantanamo Bay are better.
A second defense lawyer said that the government should keep its defendants safe.
He also spoke of conditions at the jail, citing vermin, wet floors from leaking plumbing, no sunlight, limited exercise. No defendant should be subjected to this.
The government [judiciary] should see what kind of conditions exist 50 or 100 yards from the court.
He reiterated the assertion that no new evidence surfaced of any Epstein crimes taking place after 2005.
He said the defense had an attendant doctor at the autopsy, who found the broken bones in Epstein’s neck more consistent with external pressure; Homicide, rather than suicide. The time of death was at least 45 minutes before he was found but may have occurred hours before.
He was moved after he was found, which makes the scene more difficult to reconstruct.
Like the other defense lawyer, he also asked when the dysfunction of the video was known to MDC.
“We ask your honor to find out what happened to our client,” he said.
The prosecution responded that the circumstances of Epstein’s death were the subject of ongoing and active investigations, and that it was not relevant to today’s hearing.
Alleged Victims Began to Line up
The many alleged Epstein victims began to line up in the aisle of the gallery, and subsequently found seats.
The prosecution stated that some witnesses did not come out of fear of public exposure. Some used their names, and some did not.
The government attorney took issue with the law journal article, which she said seems to say that transparency is not important. She said that assertion is tough to swallow.
Alleged victim Courtney Wild’s attorney, Brad Edwards, said she came to him in asking for the government to talk to her, not to sue him for money.
A few months later, they learned of the secret plea deal. The victims were treated as though they did not matter.
Edwards thanked Judge Berman for making things very different now. The victims are not ‘one size fits all.”
He said this hearing means a lot to the victims. If they were accorded their rights, would any of us be here now?
Wild said she was 14 years old and wearing braces when she was recruited outside a high school to give Epstein massages.
“Jeffrey Epstein robbed myself and all the other victims our day in court to confront him one by one—and for that, he is a coward,” she said. “I am angry and sad that justice has never been served in this case.”
Wild broke into tears.
Jane Doe 1, who had a hesitant speaking manner, cried when she said she read other victim stories that were similar to her own. A lot of girls were raped, and change needs to happen.
Jane Doe 2 said the experience was really hard to explain to people who have not gone through it. Things happened slowly over time. We are not bad people. We were vulnerable and sometimes in extreme poverty.
Jane Doe 3 came from a small town to New York City to be a model. She met a female who told her about an amazing man who was able to help her. At Epstein’s home, she was sexually assaulted. She was ashamed, embarrassed. This was not how she was brought up. Her world spiraled. She stopped modeling, became depressed, and left New York. She buried what happened deep within her.
Jane Doe 4 said Epstein took away the future she had envisioned for herself, and she will never fully heal.
Jane Doe 5 seemed to be speaking of her assault and trauma. She was in tears throughout, her voice choked with emotion.
Next came Chauntae Davies, an aspiring masseuse. She said Epstein flew her to his private island in the Caribbean, where his associate instructed her to give him a massage.
She said the encounter became violent when Epstein grabbed her wrist and pulled her body “onto his already naked body,” she said.
She begged him to stop but “that just seemed to excite him more” and he raped her. The abuse continued for three years. She had been conditioned to accept it.
She spoke of every [subsequent] relationship that she had to end. In a strong and confident tone, she said, “I found my voice now. I needed him to hear the pain he caused.” She added that Epstein’s death gave her no satisfaction.
Another alleged victim said it’s tragic when someone dies, but she is truly relieved that Epstein will not be in a position to hurt any more children.
A letter from alleged victim Michelle Acosta was read in court. She was told that Epstein would be held accountable, but then there was the secret plea deal, making her feel she was treated as if she did not matter. She said this time it was completely different. Her attorney was able to tell her what happened at every stage. Now, she feels that she and the other victims matter.
A legal speaker, Paul Cassell, a former judge, said transparency is the overriding objective. Victims need to be treated with fairness and respect. He said the one positive thing that came of this was to allow the victims to come forward. Judge Cassell encouraged Judge Berman to publish his decision.
Judge Berman had not been aware that Cassell was going to speak, and he was pleased that Cassell had traveled to New York in order to do so.
Another lawyer who represented five alleged victims said that Epstein could not have done what he did on such a scale without co-conspirators.
His first client who spoke said 17 years ago she came from California to New York. What happened was a dark corner in her life. She felt shame and anger for normalizing it. Now it’s time to bring light to replace the darkness. It was a phase in her life that she is no longer covering up. Jeffrey Epstein is no longer here, but the women who helped him are. She mentioned the name of Ghislaine Maxwell.
Virginia Roberts Giuffre spoke next. Like many others, she thanked the judge for allowing her to address the court. She thought she was being given her big break, but her hopes were quickly dashed, and her dreams stolen. But the reckoning and accountability have begun.
Annie Farmer spoke. She also appreciated the opportunity to speak, and was sorry others did not have the opportunity to do so. She was disappointed by Epstein’s death but encouraged to hear of the continuing investigation.
Epstein did not act alone, and others must be held accountable. Ms. Farmer’s story is here, along with a link to a podcast. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/
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The next woman was a model who agreed to meet Epstein at his house.
Attorney Lerner from Lerner & Lerner described a client’s experience. She was 14 years old. What he could not buy, he forcibly took.
He surrounded himself with facilitators. She asked that all enablers and co-conspirators be brought to justice, Epstein no longer has power over her. Then a client described, in tears, how Epstein stole her chances for love by making her too scared to trust anybody. She was ashamed and embarrassed until she found out there were other victims.
“The fact I will never have a chance to face my predator in court eats away at my soul,” said Jennifer Araoz, who accused Epstein of raping her when she was a 15-year-old student at a performing arts high school in New York. “They let this man kill himself and kill the chance of justice for so many others in the process, taking away our ability to speak.”
Next came victims represented by attorney Lisa Bloom. Jane Doe 7 said she used to be carefree, hopeful, and excited about life. Her life became dark. Epstein and his recruiter “ruined me.” In the immediate aftermath, she was unable to function. Her parents brought her home and she became a recluse for years. She thought she did this to herself and that she had allowed it to happen, and she felt she didn’t deserve to be happy. She spoke of a reckoning, and thanked Judge Berman.
Jane Doe 8 feels she is still a victim. There is no closure because Epstein took his own life. She and others will never have an answer why or an apology. In choosing death, Epstein denied everyone justice. She still wants closure.
As if to save the most dramatic for the end, Gloria Allred’s clients were the last to speak. Some had sent statements, read by Ms. Allred.
She thanked the Judge, and said many victims never even told their own families what happened to them. Allred said it would increase confidence to have the court oversee the investigation into Epstein’s death because the court is a neutral party.
She asked if there was a way to keep the record open for victims who were not present, or had not yet spoken to an attorney. She said this is about power, and the fear that rich and powerful men have power to silence the victims.
Jane Doe 9, in tears, also said she is still a victim of Jeffrey Epstein. She is fearful for her daughter and for everyone’s daughter in a world where there are predators and cowards. She was 17 years old and she thought she found someone who cared about her. Epstein took advantage of that poor girl who will never be the same. ‘He thought he was untouchable and so did I.’
Jane Doe 10 related that when she was 15 she was on a plane to the ranch. Paraphrase: ‘When I was molested, he explained to me how beneficial this experience was to me and how he was helping me to grow. After he had finished, he told me to describe how good my first sexual experience had felt.’
Allred read a statement of another victim. She was from a small Texas town, her mother died when she was 11, and the family was poor. At 15, a lady approached her and told her she worked for a rich man. She could arrange transportation and the girl would be there and back before anybody knew about it. Over four visits, things progressed to oral copulation. She stopped going. She took a gun to kill herself, but remembering her mother’s voice stopped her. She said Epstein took the easy way out.
Another victim statement read by Allred, paraphrased: I was a 16-year-old virgin when Jeffrey Epstein first raped me. I was impressed by him – he called celebrities in my presence, as well as award-winning actresses and supermodels. They always took his calls. My mother wanted us to go to college. My life was turbulent. He promised me a letter of recommendation to Harvard, saying he was donating money to them. A massage turned sexual almost immediately. Even if I resisted, I was no match for him. I wanted to vomit. The progression was constant and unending. I had never even kissed a boy. Epstein never kissed me. He said, ‘If you’re not a virgin I will kill you.” Then I wasn’t a virgin. I protested. He forced my face into the bed. If I missed an appointment, he said, “I’ll bury you. I own this f’ing town.” Then the appointment was rescheduled. He was the master of the universe, the world bent to his will. I felt less human. One day I walked out and saw another girl. I had an epiphany. I realized I was one of many. I went into a deep depression and locked myself away from everything. I could never go back to my old life. How easy it is to manipulate a 16-year-old virgin. I went into therapy and took antidepressants. They say you never forget your first time. I’m trying to do just that. Years later I married. When Epstein was arrested I thought, I’ll show him I am worthwhile. His ghost is laughing at us.
Allred read a final victim statement. She was a model from another country. A booker said she should meet Epstein in order to be a Victoria’s Secret model. She went to the mansion. A woman told her to be nice to Epstein. He met her wearing a robe. He took the robe off. The door was locked. He touched her genitals. She refused. A girl outside said to be careful if I didn’t do what Epstein wanted.
The hearing ended and Judge Berman thanked everyone for their participation. The Epstein victim who came with her baby appeared outside with Gloria Allred and another victim. Allred said Judge Berman was paying attention and listened carefully to all the victim’s statements, and she thanks him for that.
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A survey of the latest coverage suggests that this is hardly over, and that a push is on to dig deeper and hold others to account – perhaps due in part to all the damning victim statements:
The New York Times
How a Ring of Women Allegedly Recruited Girls for Jeffrey Epstein
After Mr. Epstein’s suicide, his inner circle of girlfriends, employees and other associates is now under scrutiny by prosecutors.
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NBCNews.com
Jeffrey Epstein’s criminal case formally closed, other investigations continue
A federal judge formally closed the criminal case against Jeffrey Epstein on Thursday. Prosecutors previously asked Judge Richard Berman to …
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Jeffrey Epstein Allegedly Relied on a ‘Ring’ of Women to Recruit Victims
On the heels of Epstein survivors urging authorities to continue investigating those who aided him in alleged sex trafficking and the sexual …
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CNBC
Jeffrey Epstein sex trafficking case dismissed due to jailhouse death, lawyers still want judicial probe
A federal judge on Thursday dismissed the pending criminal child sex trafficking case against wealthy financier Jeffrey Epstein, who authorities …
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It’s over. Will be swept under rug.
Best comprehensive coverage of the hearing I’ve read yet. Thanks, Dianne.
Prince Andrew’s lawyers claim a photo was doctored.
https://mol.im/a/7402593
Thanks for that bit of news.
It looks to me like another case of people trying to read too much into a poor quality digital image – though I agree that the original ought to be examined to settle things. Prince Andrew may have chubby fingers now, but in there is no obvious difference between the fingers of his two hands in the photo; and given how he and the girl are snuggled up, if his left hand wasn’t around her waist then it probably would have been on her behind. His lawyers must be upper-class twits, I think they’re making a mistake bringing more attention to a photo that is inherently damning and is inevitably going to be embarrassing – or else, as is said to be the case with Scientology’s leader Miscavige, they’re following the demands of someone who doesn’t really understand public relations and crisis management when dealing with the real world rather than inner circles.
There are some relatively high-resolution versions (4180×2158) of the image circulating, such as at: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9709185/jeffrey-epstein-ghislaine-maxwell-dad-robert/
and
(in the latter link, I’ve stripped some trailing commands that cause the image server to deliver it at lower resolution on the web page)
The article also reveals that “Prince Andrew was photographed at Jeffrey Epstein’s New York mansion in 2010 waving off a lady who was seen coming and going through the front door”
This is all bullshit. These girls just want money. Ass, cash or grass. They were looking for a free ride and a good time. I haven’t read anywhere, where these girls were forced into Maxwells car or forced on a plane. Here’s some advice, don’t get in cars or planes with strangers. As for the children who were raped by these wealthy perverts, it’s horrible. No child should be sexually exploited and your parents should be slapped for not protecting you better. If and when your rape settlements come in you best bet Glorias check will be cashed first.
So many of Epstein’s victims stories sound exactly like the lies and bullshit VanStinky would say to his victims. Also other similarities
Having female enablers
Locking women up that didn’t cooperate
Abusing women
Saying the rape was for the victims’ benefit
Predators of a Feather, Belong in Jail Together
So creepy Clinton skates on yet another salacious sex scandal – along with Harvard legal heavy artillery Alan Dershowitz — along with that randy royal rascal Prince Andrew & the royal family — plus pimp Ghislaine Maxwell and a who’s who of international finance and power brokers. Wow, what luck for them, eh wot[?] Bubba Clinton was on 12 flights on Epstein’s Lolita Express with underage sex slaves aboard – and one victim testified she saw him at Jeffey’s Orgy Island.
https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/7/30/20746983/alan-dershowitz-jeffrey-epstein-sarah-ransome-giuffre
Seriously – does anyone with the brains God gave a fence post believe Epstein valiantly sacrificed his hedonistic pathetic life to protect the faux honor of his equally perverted friends?? Not so long ago, Boston mob boss Whitey Bulger (25 years on FBI’s most wanted) lasted all of 5 minutes in a NY lockup — bludgeoned to death with socks filled with padlocks. Yet like Epstein — guards were not where they were supposed to be, and CCTV cameras somehow missed the whole thing? Right.
If your BS meter isn’t pegged – the things busted. Just sayin’ What really reeks is this whole repugnant rat’s nest was well known 8 years ago! All. Of. It. Yet the media ignored it while Hillary was running for POTUS.
Clinton and the little Prince and Dershowitz are just as guilty as Epstein and should be brought up on charges and liable for damages.
Don’t hold your breath.
It takes evidence to go after others, not just conjecture. If the government takes them to trial without enough evidence and loses, they don’t get another chance to convict him. Bulger probably wanted to die, he asked to be put in general population and refused medical attention: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/whitey-bulger-s-prison-warden-i-think-he-wanted-die-n999091
Thank you so much for this Dianne, it is very moving to hear the testimony of those brave young women.
Ghislaine Maxwell needs to swing for this, swing, fry, breathe gas, be shocked out her shoes, or however it is the US capital punish on behalf of the state. Not for the first time is my intention to be a good liberal challenged, by child-abuse – i just cannot control my old testament response to it.
At the very least, Maxwell needs to be sentenced, incarcerated and dealt with, hopefully by members of the general prison population, y’know? those ‘little’ people who are ‘nothing’ just ‘trash’. I sincerely hope she suffers at the hands of folk she has set herself above – I think there is a very high possibility that girls have died – with her karma, she should never set foot in a helicopter again. On second thoughts, I hope she does and that anything that could go wrong in a helicopter – does –
Thanks for this excellent briefing, Dianne.
The Donald thd Bill and the devils in Roger Stone’s book.
Well, well, well, we have now come full circle
“The swimming pool was filled with beautiful young girls,” Trump said, according to Roger Stone’s book, The Clintons’ War on Women. Stone also claimed that Trump made light of the encounter.
“’How nice,” Trump allegedly joked. “He let the neighborhood kids use his pool.”
Now, Donald Trump in addition to Bill Clinton has been caught kinda lying.
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Forget Liberals vs Conservatives it’s just window dressing. It’s always been and always will be the powerful vs the weak no matter where or when you live or lived.
Politics is for the powerful and fools.
I wonder if this will be posted?
Ball’s in your court Frank
“We are ruled by the least amongst us.”
– Terence McKenna
You got that right…Clintons, Obamas, Bushes. Thankfully things have changed for 8 years.
This is exactly how most people react who are financially raped by MLM scams. They clam up, which guarantees others will be financially raped, or put out a weak complaint instead of working together to bring more attention to the problem. No wonder the Epsteins, Ranieres, Weinsteins, Amways, Herbalifes, etc., of the world continue for decades. Never before has such power to work together through the internet been available, yet most people use it to b!tch and moan instead of leveraging it properly.
The lawyers are upset they won’t get as many billable hours. Period.
Unless you believe that he was moved and his death was faked, think of Epstein being dead as a death penalty. He plead guilty and the plea deal was the death sentence and it has already been carried out. Who wouldn’t want to sentence him to death for what he did (except for us who are against the death penalty)? Justice has been served, except that it was served cold. Whether he committed suicide or was murdered is immaterial from the perspective that he will never be able to take advantage of anybody ever again.
This hearing was a joke. The government should be so involved in going after those connected to Epstein that they would want the victims to remain silent until the trials are held against Epstein’s helpers. Now the Epstein helpers’ lawyers can use these statements to defend themselves. The judge took the original blunders and multiplied them. Sure, some of the women got the satisfaction of venting, and their spoiled lawyers were able to grandstand for more public attention and future clients, but at what cost?
BNL news reporting Camera footage outside Epstein’s cell unusable. Pay no attention to certain phonies on here who dispute the facts and label it conspiracy nonsense. It is starting to trickle out and and a few years ago these same a-holes would call you a conspiracy kook for claiming all of this was going on with Epstein and his elitist evil pals.
You apparently missed this in Diane’s piece:
“The defense heard that the tape system was broken for six months.”
More evidence of systemic neglect, such as chronic understaffing, overseen by the political appointees of the current administration. The real scandal isn’t one death, but that deaths are becoming more commonplace, and conditions are being neglected to the point where it’s hard to track the cause of any particular death.
What’s it gonna be, Skippy. A couple of weeks ago you said the camera malfunction was debunked. The narrative keeps changing and you’re spinning like a fucking top. You come in here and run your mouth nearly every post, particularly about Epstein which clearly you know nothing about. Also your boy Wexner is up to his fucking pedo ears in this. Can’t wait to see what kind of pedo shit was done in your chapter of Brooklyn NXIVM.
Emerging stories like this, require critical discernment and close attention to ongoing developments. Humans have a cognitive bias towards accepting the first information they encounter, and not looking for or overlooking further information – and disinformation actors know how to exploit that. As a military phrase goes, intended to keep people mindful to engage in ongoing empirical analysis and not get lulled into accepting false impressions: first reports are always wrong.
Indeed, it turned out that the first claim of a camera not working, was just a fabrication posted to social media by one anonymous account. Was that just the sort of pointless trolling that seems to amuse some twisted people with nothing better to do, or intentional disinformation?
So now we know that one of several cameras wasn’t producing usable recordings – though others in the area were – but that it’s apparently a problem going back at least 6 months, not something mysteriously related to Epstein. Given the increasing systemic problems that have been revealed regarding staffing, it’s likely that the camera problems will turn out to be part of a more widespread and longstanding problem, but that requires patience to wait for the truth to come out, not jumping to assumptions that could be mistaken.
And I’ve actually been saying all along, let’s not get distracted by speculation, and instead pay attention to undisputed but still largely unexplained connections, like Wexner.
If you actually know something more about Epstein, please enlighten us.
Diane, thanks for this reporting.
I think it’s particularly important to hear the details from these women, about how as young, and as the saying goes, “impressionable” girls, they were unduly influenced – lured, love bombed, manipulated, threatened, and so on, much like what occurs in a high control group or cult. They may not have had guns held to their heads, but a psychopathic exploiter like Epstein can accomplish essentially the same level of coercion given vulnerable victims, time to work on them and the the opportunity to isolate them – not to mention the help of enablers.
This is a travesty of justice.
After waiting over ten years for the government to defend them and vindicate their rights these women must now appear in court and fight like tigers because government incompetence and corruption prevented them from getting a proper hearing in court.
And I will set the record straight on Mr. Epstein and the source of his wealth.
While Epstein might have received money from blackmailing businessmen and politicians involved in pedophilia it appears that most of his wealth came from operating Ponzi schemes.
Epstein was just another, sexually sleazier version of Bernie Madoff.
Epstein’s ties to Ponzi scammer Steven Jude Hoffenberg:
Jeffrey Epstein worked at financial firm that engaged in massive Ponzi scheme in 1980s and 1990s
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-worked-at-towers-financial-with-stephen-hoffenberg-who-committed-ponzi-scheme-crimes/
Epstein’s ties to Florida Ponzi scammer Scott Rothstein.
Sex offender Jeffrey Epstein and Ponzi king Scott Rothstein square off in court
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/palm-beach/fl-ne-jeffrey-epstein-scott-rothstein-lawsuit-20190719-ditkup4m3jb6pnipceycmysdde-story.html
If the Israeli Mossad hired Epstein and Maxwell as intelligence agents, then the Mossad is dumber than the Bronfman sisters.
Epstein’s early money may have come from that Ponzi scheme – but he had a close brush, when his partner ended jailed for it. After that he seems to have found ways to leach money off of Wexner and perhaps others, under the less risky guise of some sort of financier or money manager; the details of that have yet to be revealed, though Wexner has said that it was “vast sums,” and cited more than $46 million.
Also, Epstein was reportedly a genius at tax avoidance schemes, so he may done things like set up Caribbean shelters, and then charged clients – maybe again, mostly Wexner – a handsome share of the taxes saved.
Diane,
Thank you for taking the time to write such a detailed article regarding the victims of Jeffrey Epstein and the suffering they endured. The victims deserve to be heard!
I hope the DOJ at leasts prosecutes Ghislaine Maxwell.
You know who started all this Woman standing up for themselves? It was Trump! He was recorded talking with a TV person about how he could just grab pussy when ever he wanted it. Remember that? Everything turned on that day. women have stood up ever since and won seats in congress and everywhere else. Sexual attacks from Men are no longer sweap under the rug. The ” Me Too” movement started. Webstein, Keith, Epstein and that Rap guy. It’s only beginning. I can tell you this. Men taking advantage of women- it’s over.
No, it wasn’t Trump: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me_Too_movement Men are taking advantage of women and women are taking advantage of men, and men are taking advantage of men and women are taking advantage of women, and always will.
LOL. I don’t think I’ve seen “to mansplain” so deftly illustrated
Me 2 movement is a joke.