By One Who Studied Mack
You may believe in facts, but some of what you believe is not based on actual facts.
You should carefully read the Hollywood Reporter and Vice articles.
Both date Allison’s quick, enthusiastic embrace of NXIVM to her initial attendance at the Jness meeting in Vancouver in late 2006/early 2007 when Lauren Salzman latched on to her.
I figured out Allison was involved with the Nxivm cult by December 2007, when she served as one of the hosts for the A Capella Innovations event, but I didn’t realize that she got deeply involved so fast until I looked at that timeline on Reddit.
I didn’t remember that The Hollywood Reporter article included the bit about Allison redirecting the $4,000 her fans raised for her birthday in July 2007 to Lauren’s NXIVM owned company.
And the timeline links to one of Allison’s old blog posts from February 2008 in which she talks about having, “a huge recognition last week when hanging out with some of my really good friends in the freezing cold of upstate New York.”
That means when Smallville was shut down because of the writers’ strike, she spent at least part of that downtime getting more indoctrinated into the cult.
And then in April 2008, she participated in that disastrous second A Capella Innovation where she clapped back at the criticisms and concerns on a public message board along with all her NXIVM pals: Lauren, Nicki Clyne, Clare Bronfman, Siobhan Hotaling, and even Keith Raniere.
In one of her comments on here, Susan Dones said that after that December 2006 meeting, Allison spent all of her free time with her new best friends in Albany.
I guess she wasn’t kidding.
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Apparently, there’s an internet archive store. So sites may be taken down but they are still archived. I’ve found some very interesting stuff.
Here’s Allison’s blog around 2011/12 when Keith talked her out of going back to acting.
https://web.archive.org/web/20120425123249/http://www.allisonmack.com/
Many here have said Ally Mack is dumb as a rock, based mostly on her VERY dumb decisions in Nx, and the daming fact that she is a mere ACTRESS.
But she can’t be completely dumb, based on these opening lines from her blog. (thanks to Peanutgalleri) This is well written and perceptive—most “smart” commenters here should wish they could write this well.
AM on ending 10 years on Smallville:
“I have recently taken a few steps back from acting. 2011 was really about concluding a huge chapter of my life, a chapter filled with rainy days in Vancouver, strange aliens from another galaxy, more make-up than I would ever wear on a normal day, and consistently responding to a name that was not my own.”
“You may believe in facts, but some of what you believe is not based on actual facts.”
Excuse me but you believe some of the worst in term of tabloid …how is this ACTUAL FACTS ?
“Both date Allison’s quick, enthusiastic embrace of NXIVM to her initial attendance at the Jness meeting in Vancouver in late 2006/early 2007 when Lauren Salzman latched on to her.”
First of, While Allison did indeed started to get “hooked” to Nxivm early (i never said the contrary) but i said that SHE WASN’T PART OF THE INNER CIRCLE UNTIL QUITE LATE.
Instead of an interview of Edmondson or Dones or Krowchuk, those came from court information.
Krowchuk said that after the first day, they were both skeptical and wanted out (this was confirmed by many of her friend)
You imply that it was the famous fly to Albany…Dones talked about 2009.
Lauren wasn’t a friend of Allison back then and it’s a friend that convinced her to continue.
Then he pointed that after some time she spend some time with someone (likely Kreuk since we know she got them in the cult) and Allison changed after a few weeks (2-3 weeks)…
She, at that point, started to be hooked on the cult.
BUT THAT DOESN’T MEAN SHE WAS IN THE INNER CIRCLE.
You talk like you know anything yet base your info on some lame tabloid getting info from disputable source.
You then change some of the facts to fit your point of view of Allison.
My point of view is based on my own experience.
“I figured out Allison was involved with the Nxivm cult by December 2007, when she served as one of the hosts for the A Capella Innovations event, but I didn’t realize that she got deeply involved so fast until I looked at that timeline on Reddit.”
A timeline on reddit…what un undisputable source! Everyone knows that reddit is the one source to go!
“And the timeline links to one of Allison’s old blog posts from February 2008 in which she talks about having, “a huge recognition last week when hanging out with some of my really good friends in the freezing cold of upstate New York.”
And this mean she was in the inner circle?
“That means when Smallville was shut down because of the writers’ strike, she spent at least part of that downtime getting more indoctrinated into the cult.”
That , nobody said the contrary…i never said she wasn’t.
Instead of focusing in trying to debunk what I say (when i sticked to the fact), why don’t you try to debunk the real lies about her?
Oh but you can’t, because you are biased and because you used a biased source to make a useless point that is absolutely not proving,debunking or saying anything interesting.
“In one of her comments on here, Susan Dones said that after that December 2006 meeting, Allison spent all of her free time with her new best friends in Albany.”
Except that Dones wasn’t close to Allison so if i can believe about the jet incident, i have a hard time believing that she knew what Allison was doing…She wasn’t in Albany at first.
When she moved in NYC, she moved to Brooklyn (cobble heights) , she lived in an appartment there for a few year until around 2012…this is a fact!
IF she was ,like you pretend to know, so much into the cult…why move in knoxwood only after 2012?
All i see here is someone trying to pretend he knows anything yet based everything on interview that are debatable…
Dates keep changing for everyone.
BTW i never pretended i knew every date of her Nxivm period…When it’s about Nxivm i cite friend/ex nxians or the court info.
You cite…reddit. I wonder who is the most reliable!
Are you still questioning when Allison flew to Albany on the Bronfman jet with Lauren, Nancy, and Sara the day after she attended her first NXIVM related seminar even though the New York Times, Hollywood Reporter, and Vice articles say that took place in late 2006?
Please provide a link to your source for the following that you wrote:
1) Krowchuk said that after the first day, they were both skeptical and wanted out (this was confirmed by many of her friend)
2) You imply that it was the famous fly to Albany…Dones talked about 2009.
You wrote: “why move in knoxwood only after 2012?”
Allison purchased her town home in Clifton Park on Oct. 21, 2011. If you don’t believe this fact, please follow the link and click on the owner/sales tab on the left or do your own search of the Saratoga County property database
https://saratoga.sdgnys.com/propdetail.aspx?swis=413800&printkey=27904500020070000000
Not sure why my comment was randomly posted. I wrote this comment a few days ago in response to the Allison Mack stan who seems to want to believe that Allison took off with Lauren for Albany in 2009 and that AM was not a koolaid drinker from her initial introduction. The “You” in the first sentence was directed to this specific poster, who proclaimed that they “believe Facts,” but actually don’t have or don’t remember the correct facts as stated by 3 different people who were there at the time and willing to go on the record .
I thought it was Kristin Kreuk who “hooked” Mack? seriously?????
Are we now saying that KK was not really involved int Mack’s fall?
Kristin Crook(ed) is the one who initially recruited Mack, Salzman is the one who took her to the deep water.
I haven’t seen anyone dispute Kreuk as being the one who initially introduced/brought Mack to her first NXIVM meeting. Just like Vicente brought in Edmondson, Mark Hildreth brought in Kreuk, and Catherine Oxenberg brought in her daughter, but all the legit stuff I remember reading so far, such as The Hollywood Reporter article, the Vice article, and the NYT article site, Lauren Salzman as being the one who wrapped up Mack. Here’s how the NYT describes it
“It was Ms. Kreuk who brought Ms. Mack to her first meeting of Jness, a women’s group under the umbrella of Nxivm (pronounced Nex-ee-um), in 2006.
The weekend seminar was held in a Vancouver hotel where Ms. Mack seemed to bask in the attention from Nancy Salzman, who co-founded Nxivm with Mr. Raniere. Ms. Salzman was teaching a workshop and spoke about how men are genetically polyamorous, said Susan Dones, the owner of a Nxivm center who was there that day, though she had begun to question Mr. Raniere’s motives.
By the end of the seminar, Ms. Mack had grown close to Ms. Salzman and her daughter, Lauren, and was excited when Sara Bronfman, an heir to the Seagram’s liquor fortune, offered her a ride on her private jet to meet Mr. Raniere in Albany.
Ms. Dones, who left the group in 2009, recalled thinking, “Oh my god, they’ve gotten their claws into her.”
Nxivm courses were said to help eliminate psychological and emotional barriers, and Ms. Mack saw them as a way to enhance her relationships and acting abilities, said Barbara Bouchey,
Mr. Parlato, who now runs several websites devoted to exposing Nxivm’s underbelly, was struck by Ms. Mack’s near-religious fervor for the organization.”
Why did the Salzmans latch onto Mack so quickly and firmly to use her celebrity to “recruit” other young women when they already had Kreuk who was at least as famous?
Perhaps they saw that Kreuk’s personality (shy, reticent) was unsuited for being an extroverted and outgoing advocate for Nx for which Mack’s personality was better suited.
Two is better than one.
I recall the video on youtube of the first a-capella concert, with Clyne, Mack and Kreuk hosting. Clyne said at intermission that the first half blew your mind, and there is “more blowing” to come.
As whoops and catcalls came from the audience, Clyne and Mack reacted with calm, sly smiles…while Kreuk broke out into an uncontrolled nervous laughter jag.
That’s just one moment, of course, but it gives some insight into the personalities of those three, and maybe predicts why Clyne and Mack ended up in DOS, while Kreuk did not.
“That’s just one moment, of course, but it gives some insight into the personalities of those three, and maybe predicts why Clyne and Mack ended up in DOS, while Kreuk did not.”
What a stupid analyse…
It showed nothing at all except that you have a lot of imagination.
Allison was just confortable with an audience (while kreuk wasn’t as much).
Kreuk got in Nxivm to “cure” her shyness…Allison was there for another reason (and contrary to what the other Anonymous said, it wasn’t related to her acting (at first)).
If we Believe your analyse, anyone who is not running shy from this kind of ridiculous joke is a pervert?
Wow, this show clearly who YOU are!
Thanks for you analysis of ME, but I stand by my comment.
Think of the a-capella concert as a early scene in a movie about Nx and DOS. Any audience watching would consider that a moment where the characters of the three women are revealed and hint that their paths might diverge over the next several years.
I wouldn’t be surprised if that youtube video actually appears in the HBO’s documentary about the cult.
Interesting
Mack was a better target than Kreuk.
Mack ate up the attention from Lauren and Nancy Salzman, Sara Bronfman and Keith Raniere.
Kreuk’s personality did not “need or thrive” on attention from NXIVM leadership.
Kreuk also had a close relationship with her parents and family. Mack was distant from her family who was in LA and Mack was living in Vancouver BC.
Mack’s boyfriend was mild-mannered. Mack wore the pants in that relationship. It wasn’t hard for NXIVM’S leadership to plot their break up.
And that’s a problem…Susan dones said that but the date changed several time…it was said to happen in 2009 , than in 2006.
It doesn’t fit a bit with the rest of the chronology.
You are trying to pretend that Allison was willingly going in knowing she would lose emotional barriere as nxivm courses were know to do such things…
No ,they weren’t…
You talk about your opinion as a fact without acknowledging who was really Allison.
I advice you to stick with the facts and stop believing every interview you read…
Mr Parlato saw Allison a couple of time and the near religious fervor was happening later than 2006…He pointed that when he saw her in 2009 , she didn’t have interest in Raniere.
If she really did meet him in 2006, she would have had interest in him.
Nobody is disputing that she was hooked early, I never claimed it wasn’t the fact.
I pointed she was not inner circle until quite late and this is confirmed by undisputable source from the trial.
Disregarding the topic of degrees of moral degeneracy, I’m struck by how damaged these two women obviously are. When they were dealing with their slaves/victims, was probably the only time they felt they were in control of *anything.* It takes a long time to render someone so dysfunctional. I’m pretty sure that the process of becoming ‘broken’ began long before Raniere got to them.
There’s a saying that comes to mind: “Hurt people hurt people”
But it must be said that not all hurt people hurt people. Most don’t.
Sadly, these two did, and that’s what they have to pay for.
Even taking into account all they did, I hope they can eventually untangle their minds and become people who can function normally in society.
So what? Nothing here is new. Unless you’re trying to say she was tricked and wasn’t her fault. Because not being accountable for one’s actions and taking responsibility for what one has done is simply backwards and immature and not how this world works. If I get drunk or high and rape or kill someone, I don’t get to blame the substance. I am to blame. Allison did outrageous atrocities. She hurt a lot of people knowingly.
“Allison did outrageous atrocities. She hurt a lot of people knowingly.”
Who is rewriting history now…
She didn’t, trial proved she didn’t…
Only shadow and his “follower” still Believe those BS.
Mack wasn’t on trial, so the trial didn’t prove anything about her. She is a convicted felon.
Scott: we had this “conversation” before…She was cited enough to consider it was her trial too…
There is nothing to be proved on the subject as when asked, the victim never refered to ANY KIND OF VIOLENCE.
But ,of course, ignore this.
Are you saying she didn’t do bad things and hurt people? Are you that deluded??
That is exactly what i’m saying, and sadly for you,i’m not the deluded one….
I stick to the fact and in this case, Trial showed that Allison never did anything that directly hurt anyone…
It was Raniere and Allison collected the collaterals under coercion.
You can turn it the way you want and talk about the psychological hurt but the problem stays the same…
She was a slave under coercion, she had a “gun on her head” kind of position.
Only Raniere had control.
She therefor didn’t do bad things (on her own) nor hurt people.
Live with it.
If you consider Allison hurt people because of her action under coercion, you’ll have to consider that everyone who wasn’t coerced and brought this situation on some of the people around them have hurt them willingly….
Stop with your double standard BS…I Don’t see anyone saying that the other have hurt anyone…
Including India (and she did the same as Allison)
““Allison did outrageous atrocities. She hurt a lot of people knowingly.”
Who is rewriting history now…
She didn’t, trial proved she didn’t…
Only shadow and his “follower” still Believe those BS.”
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Do you mean by my “followers” the people in the FBI and DOJ who investigated the case and came to the conclusion that Allison Mack is a PIMP and had her indicted on the very charge of sex trafficking?
I believe you will find that the FBI followed the facts and the law in issuing that indictment against Allison PIMP Mack.
“Do you mean by my “followers” the people in the FBI and DOJ who investigated the case and came to the conclusion that Allison Mack is a PIMP and had her indicted on the very charge of sex trafficking?”
No, Genius, that is YOUR CONCLUSION…
If the charge were dropped, there is a Reason…But it evade you (lack of brain in your empty skull)
When you’ll understand what a dropped charge mean, come back.
Mack wasn’t on trial, but plenty of nasty things were said about her. Imagine if she had been on trial….
Scott : Nothing more would have come…
They had trouble with Allison because of that…They released a lot data and many included unnecessary connected to Allison.
This wasn’t her trial, fair enough , but why the unnecessary message (like the threesome thanks that showed how Allison had little to say and how she sounded just like the other slave)
There wasn’t plenty of nasty things said about her…Everytime Mr Shadow is coming with his rant he would point them.
BTW , the question was asked and they answered…
Allison didn’t hurt physically anyone (Nicole pointed that ALLISON WAS HIT for the mistake of the slave ,if they didn’t obey)
Allison’s pod was using cold shower for punishment…
Allison didn’t threaten anyone …She collected the collateral so her responsability on the “psychological hurt” are minimal to none if we remember that SHE WAS COERCED HERSELF.
Allison didn’t abuse sexually anyone either.
The only one who said real nasty thing (and based on her opinion) is the victim of “conspiracy” of…
Nothing proved that Allison was trying to or planning to do what she was accused of.
In the end , the only charge that is believable (based on the witnesses) is the extorsion.
And not even that precisely (collecting the collateral is only a tiny part of the extorsion…The one using it was Raniere)
Try as much as you want to disprove what i said by talking about ‘if’ but i’ll stick with what was officially released.
Anything else is either assumption, speculation or in the case of Shadow and his lies, Defamatory statements.
Nothing in the trial (or outside) showed that Allison abused physically anyone…
The only place you could read this BS was here (or anywhere citing this place) and this was based on a testimony that sounded QUITE different once in trial.
Ahhhh, if I was a mother with psychiatric training and saw my daughter getting involved in this would I have handled it differently.
Just my opinion.
Feel sorry, folks…..
Allison’s very shaky sense of self, and emotional vulnerability, made her ripe and ready for exploitation. Although any reasonable person would feel some sympathy for Lauren’s upset during the trial, she is still a long-term career criminal, who needs to do her prison time. Allison needs the same followed by a good few years of therapy.
Mr. Parlato, will these woman be held in the same prison? On their sentencing dates will they be wisked off that day or do you think the judge will give them a day to turn themselves in?
Judge Garaufis will only determine the length of each defendant’s sentence. What prison they are assigned to will be up to the Bureau of Prisons (BOP). You can read about the applicable guidelines and procedures that the BOP follows in that assignment process at: https://www.bop.gov/inmates/custody_and_care/designations.jsp
to KR
Isn’t it true that nothing said about Mack in Raniere’s trial can affect her sentence…because it was NOT her trial, therefore she was unable to dispute any accusations made about her?
As long as Mack did not lie in her plea, she can only be sentenced for crimes the Feds made her admit to in her plea agreement, correct?
The sentencing judge can take into consideration any information that (s)he deems relevant – including alleged crimes, past behavior, etc. While Mack can, in fact, only be sentenced with respect to the crimes to which she pled guilty, it is totally up to the judge to decide what her sentence should be. If she feels he’s been unjust, she can always appeal.
“The sentencing judge can take into consideration any information that (s)he deems relevant”
I don’t see why he would.
Penza almost sacked the trial by bringing useless info that didn’t show anything relevant for Raniere’s trial…She almost tried to discharge partly Raniere to put it on the back of Allison (without the slightest proof). It didn’t happen with the other prosecutors…They aimed at Raniere and him only as it was his trial.
And I would say that if the judge was considering an opinion to punish more Allison, it would be unfair not to punish further more Lauren who was cited in MANY CRIMES (she was even connected to Dani’s case)
The judge is smarter than this and I doubt he will pay attention to the hearsay and opinion.
He will judge based on what he knows to be true.
BTW, it is clear that Judge Garaufis do is best to avoid getting any kind of appeal from anyone so I doubt he would consider anything that would be debatable…
He isn’t you nor shadow, he’ll stick to the FACTS.
I expect they will be taken into custody at the end of the sentencing hearing.
The shadow is extremely annoyed and will be posting shortly. Prepare!
The one known as Shadowbaked will be posting shortly.
LOL. Like he could let anyone beat him to comment. He’s at an advantage because he can just copy and paste from his vast anti-Allison library. #librariesrock
Allison Pimp Mack compiled that vast library by her own depravity.
So Allison Mack does not have a mind of her own.
She just follows the herd.
I have no sympathy for a woman, or a man for that matter, who treats people with such casual cruelty.
A woman who tortured and enslaved over a hundred women with false promises of female empowerment.
(For all of you women who despise men note that few real heterosexual men fell for the NXIVM garbage.)
When one cuts to the chase Allison PIMP Mack is no different from Ghislane PIMP Maxwell.
Both women are bisexual PIMPS who enjoyed taking photographs of naked women to blackmail them into sexual servitude.
Read this Vanity Fair article written by the exact same author who interviewed Allison Mack last year.
“THEY’RE NOTHING, THESE GIRLS”: UNRAVELING THE MYSTERY OF GHISLAINE MAXWELL, EPSTEIN’S ENABLER
She hired girls for him, shared his life with him, possibly hoped to marry him. And now she may be a target of a conspiracy charge.
BY VANESSA GRIGORIADIS
Maxwell had one other thing to tell this woman: “When I asked what she thought of the underage girls, she looked at me and said, ‘they’re nothing, these girls. They are trash.’”
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/the-mystery-of-ghislaine-maxwell-epstein-enabler
I hope Ghislane PIMP Maxwell and Allison PIMP Mack end up in the same prison together where their fellow inmates can take turns shoving their heads in the prison toilets and giving swirlies to these two PIMPS for the real brainwashings they truly deserve.
You’re sick and need help
I’m not defending a woman who brands and enslaves other women.
Look in the mirror.
Shadow, he isn’t either… you, on the other hand, defend a lie…
Stick to the facts, old man, she wasn’t branding anyone (it’s an indisputable fact) and she was a slave herself.
Mack may not have been holding the cauterizing iron, but she was holding the women down and talked the women into being burned.
Anonymous:
With your appalling ignorance you should remain Anonymous.
Here is how laws against criminal conspiracies work.
A person who directs conspiracies or knowingly aids and abets a conspiracy in any way is guilty of that conspiracy.
So when Allison PIMP Mack directs her underlings to hold down a woman while demented Dr. Roberts brands the woman with a hot iron, Allison Pimp Mack essentially brands the woman.
And branding women is a common occurrence in sex trafficking conspiracies.
Branding the woman marks her as property.
Scott : no she didn’t…Sarah Edmondson clearly said that they were holding each others…
You spend too much time reading Shadow’s lie
“With your appalling ignorance you should remain Anonymous.”
My “ignorance” is better than your “creative pervert mind” and your lies…
“A person who directs conspiracies or knowingly aids and abets a conspiracy in any way is guilty of that conspiracy.”
And Allison aid to collect collateral…Nothing shows anything about sex trafficking (contrary to what you like to repeat)
“So when Allison PIMP Mack directs her underlings to hold down a woman while demented Dr. Roberts brands the woman with a hot iron, Allison Pimp Mack essentially brands the woman.”
Oh, it’s about branding?
What an idiot…continue to believe in your lies while I’ll stick with the Truth…
“Mack essentially brands the woman.”
Sophism now?
The weapon of the idiot…If we believe your stupid statement, then it means that ALL THE VICTIM DID IT TOO.
I remind your empty head that the “victims” of branding (because there is no crime about it but you connect it somehow to sex trafficking… I don’t even want to try to comprehend how you reach that conclusion. I’m not stupid enough for that they were holding each others…
This means that they branded each other?
Idiot!
“And branding women is a common occurrence in sex trafficking conspiracies.
Branding the woman marks her as property.”
Mmmh no…and like it or not, it’s not sex trafficking…at least not on Allison’s side.
I cut you a break with the threat of contacting the authorities but I’ll say it again, Don’t push your luck, old man.
You think that because you are in a Library, you are Anonymous? You are not. If I send the info to authorities, they’ll get to you and since you insist with your defamation per se, it’s not disputable…
No “It was a joke” or “I did it once”. Continue, just try me. Believe my threats are empty but I have a huge collection of your attack on Allison and none of them are TRUE.
This is by definition a defamation per se (and a serious one)
If you want to insult me by talking about my ignorance, make sure that you know what you are talking about.
Hey, Genius…you are actually including the victims in your “i have no sympathy”…
I remind your inexistent brain that IT WAS A CULT.
ANYONE INVOLVED WAS PART OF THE HERD.
“When one cuts to the chase Allison PIMP Mack is no different from Ghislaine PIMP Maxwell.
Both women are bisexual PIMPS who enjoyed taking photographs of naked women to blackmail them into sexual servitude.
Read this Vanity Fair article written by the exact same author who interviewed Allison Mack last year.”
Oh, but there is a major difference…
Allison being a sex trafficker or a pimp is exclusively in your perverted fantasy!
Allison is not charged with sex trafficking…keep ignoring this fact and you’re just showing how obsessed, moronic and foolish you are!
“Both women are bisexual PIMPS who enjoyed taking photographs of naked women to blackmail them into sexual servitude”
Yeah, now show how much of an open mind you are…after going after her for being lesbian, go after her for being bi…
BTW she wasn’t really, Nicole wasn’t lesbian neither but Raniere didn’t ask them their opinions.
VANESSA GRIGORIADIS SAID THAT ALLISON’S INTERVIEW WAS A FORCED INTERVIEW!
Only you still take this interview for a fact…Court has demonstrated it was nothing more than Raniere trying to make Allison take the fall.
Lauren testified that in court too
You compare a real sex trafficker, ignoring the fact to a twisted story of yours…Get a life sicko.
WONG. Mack was charged with sex trafficking, among other things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allison_Mack However, she was able to plead to only some of the charges, which is normally how plea deals work.
THE CHARGED WERE DROPPED!
If you don’t understand how plea deal work, don’t count on me to explain in detail…
Had she be considered as a sex trafficker (genuinely), they would have refused the plea deal.
They kept the undisputable(ish) charges because the sex trafficking was absurd at first.
Oh and wiki? really? I based my comment on something a bit more reliable…court documents.
Shadowstate,
“VANESSA GRIGORIADIS” is not exactly the world’s most facts based reporter on planet earth in my humble opinion.
Besides the NXIVM fluff piece, Vanessa to the best of my knowledge, never published any form of retraction after “Mattress Girl” was shown to have some glaring inconsistencies in her story.
Then again it makes sense that you are quoting someone that in my opinion twists the story into a 1/2 true narrative.
Shadowstate did you go to Al Sharpton University or David Duke College?
Maybe you attended LaRouche Highschool?
Shadowstate;
I have a serious stomach bug tonight. Maybe I caught it from reading all the fictitious BS you write.
“I have a serious stomach bug tonight. Maybe I caught it from reading all the fictitious BS you write.”
Maybe it’s from your swallowing all of the BS coming from the defenders of Allison Mack.
Talk about an ad hominem attack!
Comparing me to Al Sharpton, David Duke and Lyndon LaRouche!
Allison Mack is a sex trafficker.
The testimony by Jaye and Nicole clearly describe the activity of a sex trafficker named Allison Mack.
After considerable investigation by the FBI, the US DOJ chose to indict her for sex trafficking.
Only a plea deal saved her butt from a trial on that charge.
So-called NIceguy, are you saying the US DOJ twisted the facts to get an indictment of Allison Mack on sex trafficking charges?
Are you saying the US DOJ lied about Allison Mack’s activities in NXIVM?
“Allison Mack is a sex trafficker.
The testimony by Jaye and Nicole clearly describe the activity of a sex trafficker named Allison Mack.”
Sure she is…in your dreams but the Truth is NOTHING JAYES OR NICOLE SAID IS DESCRIBING SEX TRAFFICKING…
Except in your perverted mind.
“After considerable investigation by the FBI, the US DOJ chose to indict her for sex trafficking.
Only a plea deal saved her butt from a trial on that charge.”
That’s not how it work…the prosecution Always keep the most serious charge they can prove.
If they dropped the sex trafficking, it’s because there was no proof of it.
It was a wrong interpretation of a situation that can’t really be explained.
BTW, I already told you that if you consider recruiting people in a cult sex trafficking, then many people are sex trafficking in Nxivm.
STOP WITH YOUR LIES AND ACCEPT THE FACTS, IT’S GONE, SHE IS NOT A SEX TRAFFICKER.
Also, for a defamation complain, it doesn’t matter if she was charged or not… it’s the result of the trial that matter.
And the plea deal is nothing more than what it is …a shortcut from trial, She (Allison) accepted to recognize more than she did (Extorsion isn’t complete , Forced labor is inexistant).
If they could prove the Sex trafficking, The prosecution wouldn’t have accepted the plea deal.
“So-called NIceguy, are you saying the US DOJ twisted the facts to get an indictment of Allison Mack on sex trafficking charges?
Are you saying the US DOJ lied about Allison Mack’s activities in NXIVM?”
You sure know how justice is working….
It’s pre-trial charge, the goal of a trial is to PROVE THOSE ALLEGATIONS…UNTIL THE END OF THE TRIAL, IT’S ONLY ALLEGATIONS.
You could charge for murder someone but then, in trial, because the charges were not proved and the défendant innocent, the person get release and the charges get dropped…
ARE YOU SAYING THAT WHEN A CHARGE IS DROPPED , IT DOESN’T MEAN A THING?
The facts now:
Allison was Indeed charged with Sex trafficking…but it was never clearly demonstrated and they (prosecution) hoped that the investigation (after the pre emptive indictement to avoid the défendant to flee) ,they would find acceptable proof for those charges.
But in the end, while prosecution could very well have refused the plea deal; they accepted a plea deal with no Sex trafficking charges.
You know how it is working? old man?
No you Don’t!
The prosecution keep “undisputable” charges to avoid an appeal…
Sex trafficking was dropped by the government and prosecution and it mean SHE WAS NOT A SEX TRAFFICKER.
The only person twisting facts here is you and scooter…You talk without understanding a thing and continue both to defame Allison on charges that were DROPPED.