Dear followers of the Vanguard. This is Part 5 of the Keith and Cami texts.
For ardent followers of the enlightened Vanguard, I suggest you skip this post since it is highly embarrassing. In it, Vanguard texts Cami about her making a lifelong commitment to being his slave and asking her to vow to never be with another man so long as she lives. Naturally, he has to ask her about the other man she was once with – Robbie – and the nature of their sex.
He wants extreme collateral to ensure that she never sees another man as long as she lives [And in this we see the beginnings of DOS]. He also wants to know quite a few details of their sex and makes several revelations about himself that followers of the Vanguard might not wish to read about.
You might get the impression that this man is an asshole.
Part 1: Keith and Cami Texts: The Perverted Mind of a Monster
Part 3: Keith and Cami Texts: Incredibly Cruel KEITH: Raniere
Part 4: Keith and Cami Texts: Finding a Virgin, and Slaves for Threesomes
The year is 2015. Raniere is 54. Cami is 24-25.
2015
February 22, 12:25 p.m.
[Keith, the self-sacrificing one, speaks of how he is literally bleeding for Cami.]
KEITH: I’ve taken on too much, my body is not supporting it.
CAMI: What’s going on?
KEITH: … I’m really bleeding….. I need you to drop your pride and love me purely.
CAMI: Literally bleeding?
KEITH: Yes.
CAMI: Do you need me to call anyone?
KEITH: No, it won’t help.
CAMI: Will you be okay?
KEITH: I have many doctors at my disposal. I don’t know. Every time you’re angry or prideful, I take on more.
March 6, 2:26 p.m.,
KEITH: Did you make a life commitment [of slavery] to me yesterday?
CAMI: Yes and no. Please explain. I am scared shitless and feel a loss, but at the same time, it is the best gift I could give you and us. I am telling you that you are more important than happiness, kids, the house, the job [which he asked her to give up]. I hold you higher than any of those. That is how much I want love to weigh in me, more than anything. That is why yes and no. I am saying goodbye to everything I want, but I know that I am choosing love and now I know how valuable I want it to be. So, yes, I made a life commitment.
March 12, 8:56 p.m.
KEITH: … I am in a far more intense situation. I love more and stronger. I sacrificed far more. I’ve lived far longer and you are far more selective and the stuff you don’t understand [is] you were my parampara and my purpose is diminished because of it [her affair with Robbie].
CAMI: You’re what? Parampara?
[This is a Hindu concept of guru and disciple, of the disciple becoming a guru and having disciples in succession creating a lineage tracing back to the original guru.]
KEITH: Spiritual successor through transmission of energy and innate knowledge. My lineage is not supposed to end with my death. It will likely now [end] which diminishes my purpose and its strength. I may not live too long once a few more things are finished.
CAMI: I can’t even breathe when you say that much less say anything.
KEITH: What do you mean?
CAMI: It is beyond heartbreaking. It is terrifying, paralyzing, overwhelming, sad, frightening. Brings deep, hard emotions.
KEITH: It is what is. There were three paths [he the mystical could know what might be his future]. One, if I didn’t find a parampara, I would live an extended life. Two, finding a parampara, my life would also live through her with me as her. Three, I start to go through the process which mortally weakens me and then it is cut off and my purpose for being here is thwarted.
CAMI: This is beyond my comprehension, but it is important to you.
April 7, 5:17 p.m.,
CAMI: I will text on the life commitment although it’s pretty long.
KEITH: Long, detailed, firm commitments are good. Long texts are what I hope for. What have you been doing? What happened to the long text?
CAMI: It’s coming.
KEITH: Are you home all night?
CAMI: The life commitment is a process thing. … I had to lose hope. So I realize that as long as I kept waiting for our year to be up, I would never feel the pain of your loss. Up until that point, I had been waiting for the year to be up, waiting to be set free. Giving you my life was my way of removing all possible escape routes. It was also because I wanted it to symbolize how much I can value something even beyond happiness, life, children, the house or the career.
KEITH: I think I understand. So what is the exact full commitment?
CAMI: The part that I struggle with is that I thought I’d be in love with you again after making that commitment and couldn’t hurt you anymore. The reason that I was dubious after that was because now you are stuck with me, only to continue to be hurt. The feelings didn’t follow as I thought they would.
KEITH: You have to work to repair them. It would be nice if breaches allowed for effortless repair. Actually, that would be terrible because nothing would have value. In this case, the effort you put in to repair this love would be the value and strength of your love. No effort in it means nothing. How strong and valuable do you want your love to be. The [life] commitment gives the opportunity to have a valuable love. Without it, you are just waiting a year at giving me, you, us love, none of it. So am I to assume you will never leave me, never be with anyone else no matter what?
CAMI: I feel like I just died a little bit with that question.
KEITH: I thought that was your commitment. Wouldn’t you have died all the way when you made it?
CAMI: Yes, you just reminded me, it feels like death.
KEITH: Why?
CAMI: It feels like everything is pointless, like there is no more seeking anything. I should just accept that this is it.
KEITH: Do you want me to stop in?
CAMI: You can if you want.
KEITH: Noncommittal answer, I won’t then. I am really having trouble with your noncommitalness [sic] and lethargy. Today was open and important day for us to spend time, but you need desire to spend time and make it good so you can repair love.
Every time you miss an opportunity you make it worse. You are either building or destroying like sinking, swimming, there is no in between. Today you made it worse. Ideally, you would have pushed hard to see me. Even when I finally asked, you did not value an opportunity to see a valuable person, me. You took it for granted and said ‘if I wanted.’ No one in the organization would respond that way to me. For to them, I’m important. To you, I’m not.
CAMI: I said you could.
KEITH: That’s not the point. That’s very out of cause and/or devaluing.
CAMI: ?
KEITH: Other people would say ‘yes, that would be fantastic, I would love to see you.’
CAMI: Okay. I really did not think you wanted me to treat you like the leader of the organization. We had a romantic relationship. You are that to me first and then Vanguard.
KEITH: You’re right. You should treat me even better.
CAMI: But I will absolutely abide by that. I will treat you like anyone else if that is what you want.
April 19, 8:00 p.m.
KEITH: I’m sorry, I’m working too hard at this. My time right now is almost up [he is going to die]. Why won’t you stay on line, don’t forget my other question. Last time I can call tonight.
CAMI: I need to correct something I said, but don’t know if I should do it in person. I am afraid it means the worst and I’m sorry I lied.
8:06 p.m.
[Cami admits she had sex with Robbie three times, not twice.]
KEITH: Happened twice?
CAMI: Three.
KEITH: …. Three in the one night or two and once in the car?
CAMI: The latter.
KEITH: Why would you not do that with me?
CAMI: I don’t know how to answer that.
KEITH: Honestly?
CAMI: Physical attraction.
KEITH: It was false, unfortunately. Is he circumcised?
CAMI: Yes.
KEITH: I’m sorry, I’m in such pain. Please write me an extensive plan. I don’t know what to do about oral sex. It’s vitally important but I will likely stop texting suddenly. Don’t stop. What underwear did you wear?
CAMI: Physical stuff, that’s it? Didn’t [wear underwear].
KEITH: What outerwear? Not only physical stuff.
CAMI: I think jeans and a T-shirt.
KEITH: How quickly do you think you can make it far more primal [sex] with me?
CAMI: No clue.
8:31 p.m.,
KEITH: Will you please make your plan extensive. I don’t know if I can or should have sex with you because it has to make that all worse.
CAMI: I will.
KEITH: Also about the sex, I don’t know what to do. You need to decide. Sex is very important, especially now. Coming in you and in your mouth is vitally important, but you have to like everything better about it and I can’t reconcile that?
CAMI: I thought you were not asking anything.
KEITH: Help me with the sex.
CAMI: Okay.
KEITH: Please include near-term sex in your plan….
CAMI: … Plan. Letter. Pledge. Robbie. Lot of sex. Blow jobs. Making you my hero. Dressing sexy for you. Losing weight. Keeping house clean. Cooking. Date nights. Disclose everything. Delete tindr. Clean thought object with Lucy.
11:40 p.m.
KEITH: Why delete tindr? I think that might be the wrong thing to do. I hope you can undelete.
CAMI: Because of the way I use it, the feelings are not in line. I can reinstall. Why? Didn’t get it.
11:48 p.m.
KEITH: What happened with first batch of women?
CAMI: I didn’t pursue, so they probably forgot about me.
KEITH: Have you pursued anyone?
CAMI: I’ve chatted with a few girls, I’ve gotten a couple of numbers.
April 25, 12:26 a.m.,
KEITH: The wound is so deep and essential. Have you finished vow, letter, plan, in that order?
CAMI: Not yet.
KEITH: The vow can uplift us and me.
CAMI: Was the vow I sent insufficient?
KEITH: Have you finished any? Worked on them?
CAMI: Haven’t finished them.
12:31 a.m.
CAMI: What did I miss?
KEITH: Specifically giving yourself totally, control, ownership, body, emotions, life, etc., forever, as much as you can imagine to say. If you come up with things beyond what I have contemplated, I would feel even better. Go all the way, make it everything, like no other human in history has given themselves as completely to another. Make our love that important.
CAMI: I vow to forever be yours in heart and spirit and for as long as the physical world will allow in body. I vow to have your back in battle and in peace. I vow to always let you in and treat you as a friend. I vow to only speak your name if I’m speaking of love. What else do you want? This includes everything.
KEITH: [now telling her what to write in her vow:] I vow to be yours and for you to have me and do with me as you would. I will obey you and trust you absolutely and irrevocably. I vow to have you as my master in all things and in all ways?
CAMI: You’re pushing too much.
KEITH: The problem is there shouldn’t be a too much and you should be pushing me. Maybe this just can’t work. Maybe is needed at this point is a total surrender of everything, joyfully, with no pride. If you feel I could even push too much, I should shut this door. Today has been the hardest night of my life. You value our love by what you give. Can I really push too much? Even if you give me everything it is not enough, but I accept it because it is all you have, I can take no less. It is not right. So show me?
CAMI: I vow to be yours and for you to have me and do with me as you would. I will obey you and trust you absolutely and irrevocably. I vow to have you as my master in all things and in all ways.
KEITH: Do you understand why you do this and do it out of love? I love you, but … for me to accept this vow because I cannot trust you, I need extreme collateral to be used if the vow is broken. This needs to be large enough so the vow will never be broken and different types of punishment for counter/bad behaviors. Through this, you can repair and earn the love you destroyed, build self-esteem and become self-reliant and humble. This type of reward/punishment creates a self-esteem building system similar to what boys go through if they reach manhood.
Come up with these things. Punishment levels: One, used frequently for minor infractions or suboptimum behavior. Two, used infrequently for true infractions. Three, even less frequent used for bad infractions. Four, extreme for very bad behavior. Five, the ultimate short of taking collateral, hopefully never used but an important reality. The world is full of these.
5:15 p.m.
CAMI: Why did you leave this time?
KEITH: Your lowless. You do not have self control, which means you have little self-awareness. Is this what you offer me as inducement to accept your vow?
7:52 p.m.
KEITH: Okay, when are you back? Will you complete the vow and related things, the letter and the plan? Will you be great for me and give me the you I deserve. Home? I’m sorry, I don’t trust you. You should have been eager to see me. You haven’t contacted me, so I am concerned you are not home and with others. I tried calling.
CAMI: I know.
KEITH: You know what? Are you home?
CAMI: That you called and that you don’t trust me.
April 26th, 3:47 p.m.
KEITH: In order for me to speak to you ever again, I need to video all of our conversations at will. I experience you as childish, defiant, disrespectful and hateful. I experience you use many strategies of blame at out of causedness in a very mean way towards me. It must stop from your heart. This is the only way because you are not nice to me and I can no longer trust you. I need an answer now or there are no more options.
April 28th, 4:34 p.m.
KEITH: Why haven’t you insisted on swallowing me [his semen] since you did so with R [Robbie]? I can’t keep calling you. I want you to force yourself to stay connected.
CAMI: I haven’t wanted it. I’ve been intimate with you without pushing me away. That’s big.
KEITH: That’s the worst news of all. His sperm and DNA should be disgusting and invasive. You should have want to do anything to love mine [semen], to try to save what is left of a connection. Do you like his fluid more than mine?
CAMI: Right now, neither.
KEITH: Did you ever prefer his taste, etc., over mine?
CAMI: Why do you want me to answer that?
KEITH: Please don’t question me like this anymore. I can’t tell you the reasons. Please answer.
CAMI: If I didn’t, I wouldn’t have chosen to be with him.
KEITH: You chose to be with him because you liked the taste of his semen better?????
CAMI: No.
KEITH: Then what do you mean?
CAMI: But if I disliked it, I would have avoided it.
KEITH: I asked specifically about taste. Did you specifically mention to him you liked it??
CAMI: I can’t remember.
KEITH: I need you to.
CAMI: Probably.
KEITH: What did you like?
CAMI: Seriously? I’m hesitant to share this with you.
KEITH: I need everything. This is explicitly in the letter I wrote. For me to do anything more with you I need to know you want to tell me all.
CAMI: Does that mean you accepted the vow?
KEITH: No. You keep giving me reasons not to. I keep telling you want I need that is different. Did you like his taste better than mine?
CAMI: I wish I didn’t have to answer this. Yes.
KEITH: The wish thing hurts us. What did you like better?
CAMI: Taste, consistency, quantity, intensity.
KEITH: What about each of these things?
CAMI: Taste; he is mild and sweet. Consistency; not too concentrated. Quantity; small amount. Intensity; strong release speed. I am sorry you had to hear that.
KEITH: He is shorter and thinner penis-wise?
CAMI: Longer, but thinner.
KEITH: Is he longer when I’m fully hard?
CAMI: Probably about same.
KEITH: Did he hit the back of you? [when Robbie and Cami had intercourse]
CAMI: ?
KEITH: Last spring?
CAMI: Oh, I can’t remember.
KEITH: I am examining perception. I know his penis is 6.75 fully erect and mine is 7.5, so I am looking at how you are slanting things.
CAMI: What the fuck? How do you know that?
KEITH: Likewise with intensity. You forget our passionate times and compare our day-to-day [sex] and in the last year I’ve been heartbroken and could barely function [because of Cami having sex with Robbie. Keep in mind Keith is having sex with a dozen or more women.]
CAMI: Why does this matter?
KEITH: Maybe someday I’ll tell you, but guys know these things about each other.
CAMI: How?
KEITH: Later.
CAMI: I thought men did share these things.
KEITH: … Men masturbate together.
CAMI: No way. Have you masturbated with him?
KEITH: They don’t share about their women, but themselves is different.
CAMI: Have you seen his penis?
KEITH: His is definitely not the width or length of mine. How are you going to fix this lie? [that Robbie’’s penis is as big when fully erect].
CAMI: You haven’t been at your fullest in a long time. It isn’t a lie.
KEITH: That is the problem. Your whole memory of him is a lie. The time before last I was easily longer than him. I kept hitting the back of you, remember? You came twice.
CAMI: How can I forget? But you were hitting the tender spots on the sides. I never cum because you hit the back. That has never been the case.
KEITH: It is highly doubtful he [Robbie’s semen] was even close to as sweet. I actually have a very strong basis for that. Mild maybe. Less volume definitely, but you put less volume as a plus. It is always a minus because I can put the rest elsewhere. No, most people don’t cum because of the back, I was just pointing out I was 7.5 that morning.
CAMI: To be honest, this isn’t that important to me. You’re bigger and better in every way, I’m sure of it.
KEITH: I don’t believe you’re sure of it, but the taste has a special significance. All of these things can be altered: Length, width, intensity, taste, even to some degree volume. But there is an important factor in taste that is essential and that you have increased that sex so much and still protect the lie. I can challenge the lie on measurables, but not the measurables that you must do. This is mostly measurable because if the lie you created real passion — because of real passion you grossly exaggerated the experience [with Robbie]. How are you going to fix that?…
CAMI: I don’t care who’s better or bigger. You do. Take it, hon. And yes, I am sure that you are superior.
KEITH: What do you mean, take it?
CAMI: The crown. The official title. I will attest to that.
***
[So there you have it: Your Vanguard at his very best, insane, delusional, ridiculous, laughably vain and inconceivably insecure. A 54-year-old man having this exchange with a 24-year-old woman, pretending to be a superior teacher. It can’t get any worse or more embarrassing? Don’t be too sure. Stay tuned for Part 6.]
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[…] because Raniere deeply hated Robbie. Remember the Raniere – Camilla’s conversation? [See Part 5: Keith and Cami texts: ‘You liked the taste of his semen better?????] Camila Fernandez ruined everything for Keith Raniere, he said, when she had sex with Robbie and […]
He is such a fucking tormentor, and it’s all bullshit just to keep getting exclusive sex. I hope he rots forever.
What a seriously sick man. Lock him up. He’ll fix this next life. Asshole.
He is ridiculous. Also she clearly doesn’t find him attractive so why doesn’t he just move on to some other young victim instead? It is pointless wasting all that time on all those texts to her.
Raniere’s ego wouldn’t allow him to do that. He doesn’t realize how impotent (in every meaning of the word) he is, his power came from the evil women around him, not from his own abilities.
Good point Scott. But, his power did not come from the evil women around him. He manipulated his way to the top, just as he always strove to do from a very young age. In my opinion, he took advantage of others who were drawn to him, because they themselves felt damaged and wanted to try to make themselves better in some way. Happy 4th
Keith is the least masculine, least secure boy child in the world. But here’s the thing, since he spoke to Cami this way, he spoke to many other women this way too. No one clued in that he’s a stupid, small penis’d, insecure sociopath? Wtf? God gave everyone a brain. This is not the behaviour of a leader. It’s the behaviour of an adolescent who is just growing his first pubes.
How did no one else see this? He’s not even really hiding it. Guaranteed Nancy, Lauren and Allison saw this. What about the high up guys? Weigh in guys. How the fuck did you miss this? He would have said dumb shit to you too and yet you all recruited hundreds. Why?
Cami gets a pass because he groomed her so young. Not many others do.
So gross.
It’s not that simple. Raniere treated different people different ways and he kept them silo’d off from others.
“Guaranteed Nancy, Lauren and Allison saw this.”
And these women are as insecure and juvenile as Raniere.
I think part of the answer is that he ended up dealing with a particular circle of women who were probably insecure and emotionally immature – his female counterparts, essentially.
We can see that Mark Vicente was the sort of credulous follower who had previously been part of J. Z. Knight’s following. It would indeed be interesting to hear from a broader selection of others who had been fairly deeply involved, as high control groups and cults draw in a lot of people who are by most measures pretty normal and average, and we could all learn from their accounts of what attracted them, lead to them stay, and finally caused them to leave.
I look forward to Frank Report’s post announcing Raniere has been stabbed to death. I only read two of this demented shitbag’s messages and had to stop. It was as though he was talking to me. His message narrative and personal history highlights the presence of someone who deserves death by extreme torture or at least by stabbing of non vital organs – and should be notified of the upcoming event to give him a taste of joyful life.
He elicits no respect whatsoever. He’s worse than a dog, to use someone’s famous expression.
Overall what strikes me, is that this part really shows how Raniere used his pretense of spiritual sensitivity or whatever – covert victim-playing, really – to manipulate those around him.
His claim that he was “really bleeding” is so ridiculous that no one but the most totally deluded of his inner circle would buy it – and I don’t think it’s even entirely clear that Cami did, or if she was just used to playing along with such manipulative nonsense as a matter of course.
We also see a variation of another manipulative angle we’ve seen before, Raniere claiming that if the woman doesn’t stay loyal to him, it will somehow derail him from carrying on the mission – and, implicitly then, everything that everyone has worked towards will start to falter.
I believe the old term for it is emotional blackmail.
Poor Keith. He will soon be a respectable connoisseur of semen quantity, quality and dick size. Happy 4th Keith!!!
LOL. Agree. Nice he’s bringing experience to the table.
Have a feeling Keith’s going to get smacked around quite a bit at the old MDC!
I know his penis is 6.75 fully erect and mine is 7.5
I know his penis is 6.75 fully erect and mine is 7.5
I know his penis is 6.75 fully erect and mine is 7.5
I know his penis is 6.75 fully erect and mine is 7.5
I know his penis is 6.75 fully erect and mine is 7.5
Girls Scout Cookies,
LOL !!!
You made me gag ( grossed out) and laugh at the same time.
It’s safe to say that Keith Raniere will soon be like a navy battleship soon…..
…..He’ll be filled with seamen!
Lol, re: bleeding “I will tell you about it later.”
What a total manipulative weasel
It’s a wonder he hasn’t already bled to death in jail!
Somebody said Raniere is similar to serial killer Ted Bundy in terms of his complete narcisistic pathology. So, I just finish watching a documentary on Netflix about Bundy and its amazing and fascinating to see the way the minds of these monsters work. Totally recomended!
The first part sounds just like my ex 😂😂😂
Not only did he question Cami’s judgement on whose was the longest, he also questioned her judgement on whose semen was sweetest. Did he taste both? In one of the Despicable Me movies there was a moment when one of the Minions said “Whaa-aat?” I guess I’m now a Minion after reading these exchanges. 😳
Judge Garaufis has ruled to keep the jurors identity secret for their own safety
https://nypost.com/2019/07/02/judge-to-keep-nxivm-jurors-identities-secret-for-their-own-safety/
Cami was Vanguard’s hamartia. And Vanguard may have been KAR’s….
This series of text is like a train wreck….I can’t look away no matter how horrific it is to watch.
KAR built himself up as something he couldn’t possibly maintain. The wizard’s curtain was being peeled back and Cami did not like what she saw. Maybe if he hadn’t made himself to be “holier than thou,” she may still be strung along. But how a being supposedly sent to save mankind could act the way he is acting just doesn’t equate. She’s sane enough to realize that. He is letting her down. Disenchanting. He is demolishing the fairytale he built around her and cannot even stop himself. It’s disappearing in puffs of nasty, hot, rotten-word-salad breath every time he speaks…sucks for KAR that Cami may finally be developing a keen sense of smell. Yuck. Poor Cami!
I’d think only women groomed to be with him since their teens, women he has some kind of “power” over (legal, economic, etc.), would abide by his wishes. This is SO not normal, the guys has HUGE abandonment/mommy issues. How could he convince so many rich people and women to do as he says? Viejo rabo verde.
You’d think that, but there were lots of other seemingly intelligent, older women like Bouchey and the one he wrote his book with. The interesting thread with the older ones was the lure of ruling the world, so a variant of narcissism. It is so messed up that Keith manipulated the personal issues of all of them–and they were chosen for their weaknesses. That was the deal with who was accepted and who wasn’t: who had some personal weakness that the tech could exploit? Raniere’s preying on the young ones was straight preying/grooming. Prefect had a lot of say in terms of grooming the vulnerable as well.
Early on – and in the relationships that went on to become long-term – Raniere seems to have been involved with several women like her, who were around his own chronological age. However, I think we have to wonder about their judgment and maturity, now that we clearly know he was really an adolescent at heart, who was always also chasing jailbait on the side.
I suspect Bouchey may be more of social butterfly and cheerleader type. The sort of investment advising business she was in, can be more about schmoozing than business savvy – just look at Bernie Madoff, who knew how to work the social circuit and get people to trust him, even though he not only couldn’t beat the markets anymore than a storefront Edward Jones advisor, but was running an outright fraud.
I now understand the anti suicide room/vest.
It a real ashram disciples make a “life long commitment to God” just like monks or nun’s dedicate life to the Christ.
I believe Mr Raniere has high-jacked that process and instead of women dedicating their lives to god he has them dedicating their lives to him. It’s a classical definition of a dark order.
Speaking of dirtbag document disclosures: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2019/07/03/jeffrey-epstein-underage-sex-ring-charges-ordered-unsealed-by-court/1638668001/
I can’t read it. 🤮 Keith is mentally a 7th grader.
“Keith is mentally a 7th grader.”
Most seventh graders are more mature than Raniere.
His best defense at trial would have been mental illness or diminished capacity.
I bedazzled by the amount of absurd bullshit Keith Raniere can generate….
………After reading part 5 I sit in my sunroom covered in pseudo-intellectual, science-fiction, and mythological bullshit.
“One, if I didn’t find a parampara, I would live an extended life. Two, finding a parampara, my life would also live through her with me as her. Three, I start to go through the process which mortally weakens me and then it is cut off and my purpose for being here is.”
(Keith Vanguard Raniere).
Keith Raniere definitely sucks his own dick.
Too funny!!! LOL.
No, he would give anything in the world to be able too.
” I’m Bleeding” ROTFLMAO. Can someone spare a tampon for our pile of vanturd>
Yes, the “I’m BLEEDING” line was incredibly funny. Such a little turd. Just lock his hairy ass up. He deserves life in prison.
He would, if his flabby gut didn’t get in the way.
Yup!
He’s a stout little bugger! Like a fireplug! 🙂
Damn, these sad soy groupies really can’t stand it when people question their celebrity masturbation subject:
https://twitter.com/prophecypro/status/1146449761110806528
They are like NXIVM believers themselves.
Congrats Anon 1151
After days of scouring the internet you found two people talking about your obsession—assuming one isn’t you, that is.
You just can’t help yourself Spanky can ya!?
Scanning the comments of the Frank Report to do your HalalJihadSpank, of looking to attack anyone who dares says anything remotely negative about a woman you would beg to fart in your mouth. How do you live with yourself? You are absolutely worthless. Seek professional help from a licensed registered psychotherapist.
Have you been tested for autism? Islam, Autism, Stalking and Chronic Masturbation are not a good mix.
Typing in “NXIVM” on twitter for undated NXIVM news brought up NXIVM cult member Kristin Kreuk.
You see creepo, Kristin Kreuk and NXIVM are forever intertwined and no amount of white/brown knighting will ever change that.
You must be resident stalker “SultanOfSix”.
And don’t lie that fasting during Ramadan means you have the patience not to post about Kristin Kreuk on Frank Report. You literally spent months copying and pasting comments to your sad pathetic twitter page about Kristin Kreuk because you are a sad lonely loser. Typing in “NXIVM” brought up your gay little tweets. You are a useless turd that won’t flush.
you described yourself better than I ever could.
But please explain the cause of your obsessive hated for KK? It has to be personal. Does she represent the kind of girl you could never have? Do you get off seeing her name pop up when you google nxivm? Is that the only way you can get off? Very sad. You seem to be more like Sultan than you realize.
sultan of sick to the rescue!!!
Still stroking it to your fantasy vag? Put that quran and vaseline down, wash your hands and reflect on how your life went wrong.
Unfortunately, this paragraph from the link in the about twitter link explains why NXIVM lasted for so long and how Amway and other MLM scams keep scamming people, “What about in 2012, the Albany Times Union reported he had sex with three underage girls. This is around the time Kristin left. Kristin [Crook] didn’t leave on bad terms. She left to go to Toronto for work. That was the best way to leave, to not make a scene… I don’t even think I read the Times Union story. It wasn’t local for me, and we all believed it was a smear campaign. We were told not to read the press, it would change our internal representation, we wouldn’t see the company in the same way. I maybe went to a friend and asked about it, and she basically said it’s not true and that anyone can accuse anyone of anything. If it was true, he’d be in jail.” People are told not to find information about the MLM scam on the internet, as it is full of lies and if the MLM was a scam it would have been shut down long ago.
These sources are liars. The Times Union expose came out February 2012 and this person claims this was around the time Kreuk “left”.
Bullshit. Kreuk was even in New York a few months after this expose and was still coaching.
Kreuk claims she “left” a year later, 2013. That is not around the same time as the pedophile expose.
The source even claims that Kreuk simply left for Toronto to film a television show and did not leave on bad terms. That is because she did not leave. She broke up with Mark Hildreth in 2013, went back to Toronto for filming where NXIVM did not have a center and met her new Toronto based boyfriend on the set.
It has been proven that Kreuk was still with NXIVM in May 2015, three years after the pedophile expose. She was thanked alongside top coaches Mark Vicente and Lucas Roberts for their “encouragement” by someone on his five day intensive.
What does “encouragement” mean?
Recruiting? So Kristin Kreuk was still recruiting for NXIVM three years after the pedophile expose?
Coaching? So Kreuk was coaching an intensive three years after the pedophile expose?
Not being physically around the cult for several months of the year because you are away filming a television show is not leaving the cult. Clearly, Kreuk was still on team NXIVM even in 2015.
Someone from the Vancouver branch posted on Frank Report that between 2012-2014, top Vancouver NXIVM people were saying Kreuk was still in the cult, but was just busy filming a television show.
In the recent trial, Mark Hildreth’s girlfriend said she was recruited by Hildreth in 2013 and he brought up Kreuk’s name as a NXIVM member.
These “sources” keep giving contradictory statements.
Susan Dones said Kreuk left shortly after she did in 2009.
Someone told the press Kreuk left because of rumours of a “sex cult” and left before finding out if it was true.
Sources told Frank that Kreuk left shortly after that June 2012 photograph of Kreuk, Mack and Hildreth in New York was posted to Instagram by Mack.
Three people told Frank she left in 2013, one year after the pedophile expose because of fear it might hurt her career.
Even if her name was taken off the official coach list in 2013, whether it was because she was simply busy filming or she wanted to hide her connection to NXIVM to protect her name and image, we now know she still supported NXIVM years later. You didn’t have to be on the official coach list to be a part of NXIVM.
Also, check out the Girls By Design social media pages. Kendra Voth posted they were planning to reboot GBD as recently as July 2013. Kreuk was not that busy then? Nor did she mind rebooting her old NXIVM project about little girls, one year five months after the pedophilia revelations.
Who will play Kreuk in the upcoming film? I suggest Anne Hathaway or Katie Holmes.
IMHO I think Hector (the dad) should be tied to a chair and made to hear ALL of these texts- until he realizes HE is the most responsible of all for this. Maybe THEN he can man up and be the dad he should be and help his damaged kids out of this tangled mess. Better late than never.
I was going to say he failed as a father, but the truth is much worse than that. He gave his daughters to Raniere.
That’s a form of sex trafficking, in my opinion.
Whats the father and mothers name
They should be exposed and sent to jail too.
Please expose their complete names here
I agree! What a poor excuse of a father. The whole series of texts should be printed out and distributed to everyone in the jail that KAR calls home
I know I shouldn’t, but I can’t stop laughing at how stupid, immature, and insecure KR is.
You ain’t alone! TEE HEE KEITHY! You pathetic incarcerated loser!
https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2019/07/nancy-grace-slams-allison-mack-over-nxivm-sex-cult-sentencing/
On the topic of voyeristic, salicious sex headlines — Nancy Grace slams Allison Mack while all the other pimp mamas — starting with the Salzman’s — are downplayed or pitied?!
Ally was not only a late-comer but was, IMO, far more susceptible to being puppeteered due to many factors:
– Ally’s child star status. She’s been taking direction and “role playing” nearly her entire life. She had no real identity of her own to fall back on.
– Ally’s need to please. In her case, this became, was made, a “survival” need. Starved, sleep deprived, etc. as she was she fell further and further into the trap of subjugation just to stay alive.
– Her lack of education. Ally didn’t have the tools or information to make sense of her situation as she was being brutally manipulated. Has she ever even heard of Pavlov?
– Her trusting, kind nature. Because she did not have it in her “authentically,” IMO, to be cruel and calculating she couldn’t fathom that anyone else was capable of such or to what end.
– Ally’s family dynamics. She hails from a show biz family that pinned their hopes of fame and fortune on Ally and her early success her older show biz siblings (especially her sister — notably a lesbian) had not achieved.
There are many other nuances to be considered before anyone judges Allison Mack against the other participants in this drama.
What most disturbs me is that even now, Ally is still DEFENSELESS against this kind of stone throwing. Where is Ally’s publicist to call Grace demanding a rebuttal, an expert opinion? Where’s her Bronfman or Salinas paid Miami shark to slap a defamation suit on Nancy Grace’s producers?
And, perhaps most significantly, where’s Kristin Kreuk and her “victim” India Oxenberg — all her “empowered” friends to stand by her now?
Ally is still taking the fall just as she was expertly set up to do from at least the moment she landed at Necker Island getting the Royal treatment in the company of Mexico’s would-be Royals, Alex and Emi, and a host of other users?
One more thing, who did all the hair, make-up, costuming, lighting, set, sound for the KAR YouTube interviews? Why weren’t any Mexican girls featured in those vignettes?
Love it how Raniere knows someone else’s d!ck length to the 1/4 of an inch. He like to measure time in the same way, such as Raniere and Cami being together for 5 1/4 years.
He spoke a lot about parasites in his ‘teaching.’
He himself lived as a parasite; draining the life out of many people, particularly women.
I hope he never gets the chance to see another woman or girl again.
He does not deserve that privilege.
Spot on. Everyone else worked and paid the bills, did the shopping, prepared the food, did the laundry, and cleaned up after him.
Parasitic lifestyle is another trait of a psychopath.
Raniere will have most of those things done for him in prison, too.
Innocent Prefect had the ultimate parasitic lifestyle. I would bet there are some interesting emails, etc regarding her machinations. Frankly, I think she saw Keith and the whole lot of the inner circle as a bunch of rubes, especially Clare. And please with her amazing powers [ha!] to not have the scoop, on some level, about these sexual shenanigans. There is something so unsavory about her ability to compartmentalize and willfully victimize. I am so glad to see Keith exposed for the immature, manipulative, and inarticulate idiot he is, but for sure Nancy also saw this. She just had her own coterie of social climbing snobs. Ah, that Saratoga summer lifestyle.
Speaking of social climbing, I have wondered how Pam got involved with, I suppose, was ESP at the time.
I suppose you would have to get a full perspective on the social scene up here in Saratoga County, especially in the summer.
Not-so-smart Vanguard could do his bidding on the qt in sleepy Halfmoon, where ppl question the fancy cars at Apropos, etc.yet can say nothing strange is happening other than shaking of heads.
But whatever. It was Barb who made Vanguard Week a thing. And god knows who did Nancy’s Smooth Jazz Birthday Bash. Probably Nancy herself considering how miffed [lol, at cause] she was to see her NLP/EM bs/social climbing get some comeuppance. How Nancy could elevate herself in the most pretentious way, offering herself as a wise woman while throwing Barb under the bus. Saratoga was a nothingburger place in a way during the 80s and 90s, and Barb worked it, saw the potential. I am really sorry for Barbara. So ripe for the flattery of Keith I cringe whenever I see that group pic where she is hanging on his arm. God she was played….by Nancy, especially.
It was the egos of Vanguard and Prefect that did them in.
Last, Prefect disgusts me in terms of how she treated her daughters. Forlorn was where she was due to a hierarchy headed by her own mother. So much in common with the Clare/Sara thing. Everything was about divide and conquer/using people in this horrible scheme. To think Lauren has to now accept and “forgive” her mother and sister in addition to picking apart her own personality disorder/ understanding her own grooming.
Lol She really sounds like she gives a shit.
From all accounts, Cami is still teaching at the Rainbow Cultural Garden somewhere in Mexico.
But is she still using Tinder lol
Didn’t realize that the world’s smartest man was also a gourmand with regards to semen. Guess where he’s going, he’ll have a lot of opportunties for taste-testng. We should also hope he gets a lot of opportunities to be loved there, since that is apparently his lifeliine.
Ick….and EWWWW! At any point did this dirtbag think, “I am old enough to be her father.”? What a disgusting human being. (The ‘human’ part is questionable.)
He is almost old enough to be her grandfather!
Each time I read these, I am more and more repulsed by him. He is disgusting! That poor girl. Honestly, I see glimpses of a fighter in her and yet, what chance do you have growing up in that kind of family? He probably started grooming her from her early teens.
Who reads this sh…t??? These two imbeciles belong in prison together.
Keith’s texts are a blueprint of Narcissistic Personality Disorder behavior. If anyone wants to better understand how these monsters work, this collection is an excellent crash course. It may not seem like much from the outside, but Cami’s resistance is significant.
Amen. And the scary part is, KAR is a father of two, if not three, plus countless aborted children. Had he not been stopped, he would have continued populating this country and Mexico with children he would never care for – financially or emotionally. They are just notches on a belt to him – symbols of domination and control. He is not qualified to be a father.
OC, amen. You’re right.
Anonymous – You are spot on. I was employed by one of these types for 20 years. Thankfully, he was not the owner, and now that he is gone, we all feel that we can actually breathe without trying to hide it. Cami’s resistance is massively significant. In refusing to tell him only what he wants to hear, she is able to maintain ownership of her own identity. I think she began to harbor a secret disgust for his insecurities. She refused to lie to him…. She recognized that her thoughts and feelings were real and undeniable, no matter how much he detested them. There is a vast difference between her desperate wanting emails in the beginning to her seemingly tolerant emails now. She is hardened through years of emotional abuse, but the sisters in this family are tough. Broken, but certainly not irreparable.