By Actaeon
Is Mack in part a victim? Everyone on Earth is in part a victim.
Keith Raniere is in part a victim, I suppose, if one looks hard enough. I’m sure there’s some element in his past life that could be worked up as a partial excuse for what he became. A mean kid at school, his mommy yelled at him once, his dog bit him. To quote a line from a movie, excuses are like assholes, everybody has one.
So what if she was sincere? Wife beaters sincerely think the old lady deserved it. Guys who go into work with a gun and shoot up the place sincerely think that’s what the world deserves for pissing them off.
Allison Mack is a fool, I’ll grant that. She had great ambitions to make a difference, to change the world. Well, in her incompetent messed-up way she kinda succeeded, she made a difference in a bunch of women’s lives. The ones she branded sure will never be the same; talk about leaving your mark!
As for her threesome email, it is a fawning, obsequious message to the man she stupidly obsessed over for years. Yes, OBSEQUIOUS. As in DOS, Dominus Obsequious Sororium.
The word means “groveling obedience,” and that’s precisely what she’s demonstrating in that humiliating, embarrassing email. The kind of obedience demanded of a slave. On her knees, supplicating, desperate to please, aching to say the exact words he wants to hear. It’s revolting.
Here’s a woman desperate to have a place in her man’s world. She’ll do anything, literally anything to please him, including sharing his bed in a threesome. The kind of person who is utterly subservient to her leader, offering unquestioning obedience, even (as she admits) if it goes against her gut. Even if she knows it’s wrong, she will do it. All she wants to be is subservient to her man, to her guru, to her leader.
I don’t have to remind people of the terrible history of people mindlessly following their leader. Abandoning their own instincts in service to him. Unquestioningly following his teachings, his “new ethical system”.
Keith Raniere was looking for exactly this kind of female servility. Unquestioning, eager obsequiousness. Mack was bright enough to know what her “friend and guru” wanted, and this email is her giving it to him. Right after whatever disgusting acts she had just performed for him in his greasy, sweaty bed.
Rainiere seems to have obsessed over this sick ideal of bending women to his will, of making them beg for it. In the branding “ceremony” he wanted the women to beg to be branded– something straight out of bad BDSM porn, where the bound girl is made to say “thank you master” each time the fat guy with the whip applies a stroke.
So I find nothing of the quest for true love or spiritual fulfillment in this icky email. On the contrary, it illustrates the worst kind of servility, an utter lack of human dignity or self-respect. There’s nothing inspiring about a person on her knees groveling in front of another. Mack is disgusting. She’s a liar, a self-deceiving fool, a craven coward, soulless, clueless, self-centered and without a shred of human decency. She belongs in prison for what she did and that, fortunately, is exactly where she’s headed.
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Some of these women might be victims, and others are not. It appears as if the main women, the harem that Keith possessed, were not victims. I have no doubt he manipulated them, but they are still responsible. We all have TV commercials, other ads, and individuals in our life who try and sway us to buy something or do something or believe a certain way. That doesn’t make us victims. We have a choice. So did they.
Keith tapped into a bunch of woman who, by all outside appearances, were ripe to be manipulated. They wanted an authority figure and he gave them what they wanted. He’s a sorry piece of crap for misusing his ability to tap into their desires and use them, but they share the blame of allowing themselves to be lead down the primrose path. They weren’t victims. They certainly weren’t brain-washed. They found the product they liked and were willing to pay the cost for continuing to have the product. Simple supply and demand.
For example, we read some of these women saying that having naked pictures taken of them (collateral) made them feel wrong and violated, but how many others we haven’t heard from actually wanted to do this? Some of the women would strip naked and listen to Keith speak to them on a weekly basis. If one time Keith had them stay clothed, how many of them would have felt disappointed they weren’t able to stand naked before him like they always did? So many things here we don’t know.
Like most of you, I find this whole thing to be disgusting. Especially the parts where they’re enslaving women who don’t want to be there and gathering info on them in order to blackmail them if necessary. But I can’t deny that while some of the women who were in this group who were participating in the various sex acts were in the middle of living that life, it was exactly what they were looking for and they enjoyed being there. Crazy as that sounds to regular folks, these women liked sharing one man (and some of them each other) and bowing to his every whim. And no, I still don’t get why.
Another stupud poist by actaeon…
“Keith Raniere is in part a victim”
Really? at this point, you show how moronic it’s gonna be…
You dare to compare him to the victim and worse, you dare to point things that ALL THE OTHER VICTIM DID and say (pretty much) that she wasn’t a victim…
The “groveling obedience” was Something that ALL THE VICTIMS did because of the COLLATERAL.
“Here’s a woman desperate to have a place in her man’s world”
And if you were paying attention to detail, that’s Actually Lauren’s case…
Allison didn’t cared about Raniere until she was collateralized and in DOS (it’s in the court document, contrary to the BS you claim)
“Rainiere seems to have obsessed over this sick ideal of bending women to his will, of making them beg for it. In the branding “ceremony” he wanted the women to beg to be branded– something straight out of bad BDSM porn, where the bound girl is made to say “thank you master” each time the fat guy with the whip applies a stroke.”
Sucks that you cannot pretend anymore it was her idea…sucks that the court disprove another of your BS fact
The only left for you is to point how much of a fool she was to follow and there is a problem there…
She was IN THE SAME SITUATION AS EVERY VICTIMS and therefor ,i’ll let you put the pieces together.
” Mack is disgusting. She’s a liar, a self-deceiving fool, a craven coward, soulless, clueless, self-centered and without a shred of human decency.”
That show that you both know her well and have paid attention to the fact showed in court…
Liar? All the victim were…Nicole herself admitted that! Dani too, All of them.
Craven coward, soulless : no, that you sir!
Clueless : yes, but contrary to you she had excuses…what is your?
Self centered and without a shred of human decency : Self centered while she entered Nxivm to make the world a better place…make sense!
As for shred of human decency, she is definately having it (or victim would have been ABUSED BY HER and IT’S NOT THE CASE)…
In the other hand, you Don’t have any.
“. She belongs in prison for what she did and that, fortunately, is exactly where she’s headed”
Nope, As a victim she deserve to be helped and for the prison, no one knows…
Contrary to you ,the judge:
-Paid attention to the trial
-Is a human being (he state that when he is defending Lauren and Lauren did WAY WORST THAN ALLISON)
-Is considering also the CRIMES and not the absurd obsession of a sick moron…
She did collect the collateral BUT was Under collateral herself. , She didn’t threaten, She didn’t do anything else.
-Is probably gonna remember the fact that Vicente himself said that Raniere was trying to break her…Just like it said to …A VICTIM (Nicole)
You are just there with another pathetic attempt to make sense but once again, you fail at it.
At this point, i would advice you to direct you obsession on Something more healthy like gardening but i already did that for Shadow.
In the other hand, i would feel sorry to put poor plant you both of your hands as neither you ,nor shadow have…a shred of humanity.
Actne,
Everyone on Earth is in part a victim…Sigh.
……I am a victim of your sophist prosaic prose……
I would rather masterbate with a cheese grater than ever read another of your articles…….
That explains why you have no children, and that’s a good thing.
Scott,
Your right one day I went to far……
I can only imagine how much love you showered on your children. 😉
Scott you are the antonym of misanthrope (Sarcasm).
Not sure what ‘masterbate’ means. No such word.
I’m guessing you got home schooled by Uncle Bob and you guys circle jerked during English class.
As for your comment that you’d rather masturbate with a cheese grater, I can certainly understand why you enjoy masturbating so much these days — cuz wifey just ain’t giving you the attention & pussy that she used to.
Reason why?
She’s giving it up to clients.
Bangkok,
What? No smiley face in your comment?
Is it really you?
Not sure why your confused about that word, Bangkook, since you’re a “master baiter” yourself.😉🎣
Everyone on Earth is in part a victim…Sigh
……I am a victim of your sophist prosaic prose……
I would rather masterbate with a cheese grater than ever read another of your articles…….
Everyone is as when explained as it is for an excuse to minimize certain people’s role in this mess. One day on FR these people are evil incarnate and then they share their tale of woe at the hand of Kieth or Clare or Nancy and people suddenly weep for them and become understanding.
I don’t doubt they paid their dues. They had no compassion when they had the same power over others. Yeah Kieth is at the top but they enjoyed their time as his enforcer
Maybe if they truly wanted to be badass warrior bitches they’d have stood up and acted as a sisterhood. In the end Kieth was right these women were weak and the bond they made to each other was broken again and again just by his say so.
ID channel press release says Mr. Parlato will be in their 2 hour documentary about Nxivm, airing in December. Apparently the ID doc. will feature the story about the Nxivm-related disappearance of Kristin Snyder too, along with 3 other stories about Nxivm women.
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-gillibrand-911-victim-bill-senate-majority-mcconnell-20190625-jw7vsrk5ybffdoke7ud3mfjssy-story.html
For wtf sake? Anyone read any Pierce Anthony lately? Damn.
not sure if I follow you here Heidi regarding the 911 funding and Pierce Anthony? What’s the connection, please?
It’s sci-fi fantasy fiction, teen kid stuff mostly, a universe where the rulers of fiefdoms each have dominion over all others who are slaves unentitled to even wear clothes. But there is a parellel, colorless universe — black & white & grey through a black hole prism where all are free if I remember right. I’m just reminded by current events and, you know, stress. Reality bites. Thought this would end with KAR imprisoned but no such f’in luck. So far. 🐰
Thanks Heidi! I’m sure you thought this would end with Keith imprisoned, yet no such f’in luck is right. Wassup with the rabbit emoji? No need to answer that. Just wishing you the best.
I’m curious about the rabbit as well.
What’s up, Doc?
🐰🐇
Heidi, evidently ypu don’t listen.
This is not a forum for your politics.
This us about NXIVM.
Stick to the topic.
Frankly you are quickly losing the sympathy of others over the loss of your sister with this behavior.
One sadly thinks you have lost the plot completely.
G- Please stop with the “This is not a forum for your politics”. If I’m not mistaken, you’ve made your opinion on politics known when you first started posting here. There is not a day that goes on this blog that politics is not inferred.
You and whomsoever feels to, go on and on about politics on this blog G.
Did someone anoint you Readers’ Editor of the FR?
Or do you just enjoy kicking a person cos they’re clearly down?
He’s more likely to get an erection than a 15-year sentence/
Actually no. Neither of those things is going to happen.
Good to see the Brits are on top of things, they already know Raniere was sentenced to 15 years: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/hollywood-sex-cults-nxivm-children-god-story/ The next thing you know, they’ll be offering to cut the tea tax in the “Colonies” in half.
Scott,
Haven’t you heard the expression “If they tilted the country over all of the loose nuts would end up in California”?
Scott,
Wow…. you actually managed to find one of the most factually wrong articles ever written about NXIVM….. Then you shared said article on the Frankreport website.
I am completely flabbergasted. The question now is begged to be asked……
…….by any chance do you happen to know if one of your “chromosomes on either parents side is a duplicate”. I believe you may have actual medical condition.
Meaning do you have 47 chromosomes or perhaps 45 chromosomes? 2 separate mutually exclusive diagnoses!
I do have a medical condition. It’s called a cowardly pain in the a$$, and he stares back at you every time you look in a mirror. LOL
What Keith attempted to do was very degrading to women. I am appalled by that.
Women are capable of SO MUCH MORE.
For instance, corporate America wouldn’t even EXIST without the great contribution of women serving as secretaries, receptionists and mistresses for high level execs.
Likewise, women are far better than men at LOTS of things (e.g. cooking, cleaning and tending to the youngins).
Women need to stop being degraded by pigs like Keith.
Even women like ‘Flowers’ can serve a useful function in this world.
In fact, the RCMP’s Vancouver office would probably have to lay off 3 of their detectives —- if it wasn’t for Flowers constantly phoning them to file bogus reports about criminals who are stalking her every day, keeping them extra busy. 🙂
Bangkook, I know you are obsessed with me for some bizarre reason, but try to keep your obsession under control. Sheesh…
FYI, the woman whom I had to call the RCMP about in regards to harassment, had filled 2 social media accounts with claims of how SHE was being stalked and threatened by a cult of Satanists, and then she contacted me and told me this cult was also stalking me.
I eventually alerted police, who did do a welfare check on this person, and she told the police she had had a mental breakdown and that she was now hospitalized.
This is an example of how cult members (and she was not a satanic cult member) ,but I’m referring to cults like Scientology and NXIVM, use privacy laws as a way to harass people. This person claimed she had mental health issues and blamed her mental health problems as the reason she tried to terrorize me. The police cannot do anything to investigate this further because it would violate her privacy…..so she gets away with it.
Oh God Flowers!!!!
I explained it to you and Heidi months ago….
Bangkok is a young man that happens to not be too good with the ladies.
Bangkok craves female attention whether it’s good or bad.
Bangkok knows that both you and Heidi are more likely to respond….if he is rude.
Therefore, Bangkok is rude.
Little Bang’s only female acquaintances are Rosey Palms and her sister Patty Palms.
BTW, Saturday nights are special for Bangkok because that’s ménage a troise night……
…….Bangkok uses both hands. 😉
Women need to stop betraying other women and grooming them for sexual predators like Keith.
Gina had some interesting things to say about the triangularity of ménage a troise or threesomes as you refer to them. All the rage in Hollywood to this day of trendy plus 2 reservations, when plus one was once the thing to be.
Gina found it to be negative (ne-gative) of the couple bond — of the 1st wife or girlfriend (or boyfriend or husband) of the individual insisting on the 3 some more often than a bonding experience among the 3. In that way, she felt, it can be toxic to any couple relationship and destroy or separate families if taken to the extreme. Of course, there’s a difference between a matter of appetite or taste vs. real destructive intent but with online dating and mating and all the insurance and Bluebeard scams going on who fucken knows the score between a party, a wedding or a funeral, a honey pot or a crack pot, a psycho like Keith or just a good time Charlie?
By the way Heidi there are Menage a Trois relationships in Hollywood where the women are the predators.
The nonagenarian Sumner Redstone, who owns CBS and Viacom had two predatory females sucking him dry in an effort to gain control of Redstone’s media empire.
Redstone was so senile that he needed to be fed through a tube in his stomach but two Gold Digging Vamps were there to catch the pieces when Redstone kicked the bucket.
Only the intervention of Redstone’s lawyer daughter Shari Redstone preserved the old man’s Empire.
For years, Sydney Holland and Manuela Herzer ruled the aging Viacom-CBS mogul’s L.A. mansion, until a medical crisis, a secret fiance and some frantic texts gave Shari Redstone a path to regain control of her father’s empire, reveals this exclusive excerpt from Wall Street Journal reporter Keach Hagey’s new biography of the media mogul.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/bookmark/inside-fall-sumner-redstones-girlfriends-book-excerpt-1125811
Women can be as predatory and evil as Keith Raniere.
No doubt, Shadow. I heard of a Hollywood scam where some beautiful young B starlets were feeding “Viagra” from abroad to old dudes forcing them to perform and some male victims had fatal heart attacks. The beauties had previously had their marks take out life insurance policies naming themselves benificiaries.
I guess the first clue that someone may mean you harm would be taking you or your child off financial documents or out of a position of financial authority.
God…. doesn’t every man want beautiful female Vamps force feeding them Viagra and forcing them to perform?
Reads like the plot to an HBO after dark movie.
*****
Bangkok probably reading this comment st this very moment fantasizing about Lauren Salzman force feeding him free Viagra™ or generic Cialis because Bangkok has Canadian health care. Damn socialists.
If DOS went unchecked, how far into their moral abyss do you suppose they would have fallen? I would bet that Keith Raniere eventually would have wanted a ritual killing on his behalf. Besides, there are street gangs out there that routinely do this, so it isn’t too much of a stretch to make that rationalization. What better way to prove your allegiance to DOS than to murder on your beloved Vanguards behalf? The ritual killing of a young, undocumented Mexican girl? Sounds like that thought may have already crossed his mind. Would Allison have questioned that? Would she be the one to prove that she is most loyal to her Vanguard? Or maybe Daniella would do it, as she seemed willing to sacrifice her own daughters virginity to Raniere. It makes one wonder. Fortunately, we can only speculate as this criminal enterprise was finally stopped.
Jarhead, I think the Group Fellatio they were planning to do comes pretty close to ritual killing.
Fellatio Interrupta: Witness Reveals What Happened Before Feds Busted Accused NXIVM Sex Cult Leader
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/fellatio-interrupta-witness-reveals-what-happened-before-feds-busted-accused-nxivm-sex-cult-leader/
Shadowstate,
Group fellatio murder plot?
Proving loyalty to the big man.
“Are you loyal to me? Will you follow where I lead? Will you do what you’re told? Good. Here’s what I want you to do: Bring me a finger. No, stupid, it doesn’t matter who’s finger it is. Just bring me a finger.”
If you think that this kind of thing only happens in the movies think again.
The big man always corrupts his minions.
Always.
And there are always simple minded minions willing to do his bidding.
And what do you think the snuff films were for? That and much more.
He was weaponizing these women. He even boasted he had some grandiose scheme in mind.
Brandon Porter should be flogged for even using his medical licrnse as a ruse to break down these women even further till they became zombie automatons willing to kill on the name of Keith.
NXIVM IS yet unchecked, Jarhead. An unfortunate realization I’ve come to — actually it came to me and is not welcomed.
Best article I’ve read in a while! You hit the nail on the head! I just hope she gets enough time in prison.
“Yes, OBSEQUIOUS. As in DOS, Dominus Obsequious Sororium.”
First, OBSEQUIOUS in English is an adjective (not a noun) meaning compliant or fawning.
Second, OBSEQUIOUS is not a word in Latin. The adjective meaning compliant or fawning in Latin is OBSEQUIOSUS.
Third, in Latin the endings of adjectives must agree with the nouns they modify. The ending -US is masculine singular.
Hence, with corrected spelling DOMINUS OBSEQUIOSUS SORORIUM means the COMPLIANT LORD OF THE SISTERS.
What was intended by Keith, I have no idea. He certainly did not get an IQ of 242 from his Latin knowledge.
Question: has anyone actually seen a written document originating from the Raniere family that states what DOS stands for?
Everything in the media is hearsay copying.
DOS = 2 in spanish he could count that high
HAHAHAHAHHA
Now you’re getting into the weeds, just like Raniere liked to do with the women in their unweeded nether regions.
maybe Keith was using pig latin
“maybe Keith was using pig latin”
Or “Igpay Atinlay” in Pig Latin.
She is Keith Raniere’s Sadie May Glutz/Susan Atkins, ready to jump whenever she gets an order from the most wonderful man in the world.
Susan Denise Atkins aka Sadie Mae Glutz
“Susan Denise Atkins aka Sadie Mae Glutz is a former member of the Charles Manson “Family”. She swore before a Grand Jury, that under the direction of Charlie Manson, she stabbed actress Sharon Tate to death and had participated in the murder of music teacher Gary Hinman. During her grand jury testimony, Atkins testified that there was no limit to what she would do for Manson, “The only complete man I have ever met” and that she believed him to be Jesus.”
https://www.thoughtco.com/susan-atkins-aka-sadie-mae-glutz-972691
“Atkins testified that there was no limit to what she would do for Manson, “The only complete man I have ever met.”
Was there any limit to what Mack (and others) would have done for Raniere, “The only fully integrated man in the world, the most intelligent and ethical man in the world, the man who could control the weather?
I don’t think so.
There was no limit to what she would do for Raniere.
Raniere said that he’d had people killed for his beliefs, or theirs, and I believe him.
I’m not saying that Mack killed anyone, but I’m not sure she would have been able to say no if Raniere asked her to.
The distance between branding someone and slitting their throat, is not as great some might think.
Oooooh. You are right. Which is why he had to be stopped. His women would have killed for him, yes.
Mack wilted under pressure, she was no Atkins.
Jeeze you’re like the new Shadowstate, spewing wrong information all over. Atkins stayed loyal to Manson during the trial and after in prison, hence carving an X into her friggin forehead.
And the difference between branding someone and slitting their throat is like the difference between punching someone and running them over with a car. Oh and by the way, Allison never branded anybody anyways. That was Danielle Roberts.
Why don’t you run along now. Aren’t you late for a trump rally or something?
“Oh and by the way, Allison never branded anybody anyways. That was Danielle Roberts.”
For that matter neither did Raniere brand anyone.
But both Raniere and Mack were the leaders of the DOS sex cult and both are guilty of the brandings.
As for you, Max (Macks), you will twist the truth and ignore facts to absolve Allison Mack of all blame.
Are you suggesting I’m Allison’s mom? If Allison’s mom was half as smart as me she would have smacked her daughter upside the head years ago.
Are you sure that smacking Allison Mack in the head would do her any good?
She seems to like the Bad Boys and consistently makes poor personal choices.
You might be interested in this social media comment about Allison and her mother:
thewildexposure
I grew up on the same block as this girl Allison Mack. We lived in Los Alamitos CA. Her mom was awful and was so rude to the other kids on the block. She never allowed her perfect little Allison to play with the other kids because she was a big-time actress. It’s so funny to see that Karma is a bitch. And now you are a trafficking loser. So funny… good luck in jail. Poor lil Alison.. not!
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https://www.instagram.com/p/Bgo5P_YhE4P/
As I told Heidi….KEEP YOUR LIBERAL IDEOLOGY PUT OF THIS FORUM!!!
You are a very bad, self-appointed Readers’ Editor G.
What does this rant of many directed at Heidi, even mean?
Mack apparently at least never reached her limit, so we’re left to wonder. And it’s worth remembering that in comparison, Dani resisted and ultimately left – even Kristin Keefe finally took the child and escaped.
And Raniere explicitly had her set up the brandings to be like a sacrifice, which does narrow the distance.
Mack can always make another run at it, she probably won’t be in prison that long.
Well, of course Keith was Jesus- just ask the 12 woman who were having sex with him and knowingly sharing him with the others.
yeah cos that’s the reason folk love jesus, Not the feeding of the five thousand, the clearing of the temple, the sermon on the mount. It was his craven exploitation of a pyramid of branded sex slaves, yup, little known fact there about the son of God, fresh from the Protocols of Nxivm – the tech that has sooo much good in it.
Dani was Raniere’s Judas, except that Raniere is the son of the devil.
Wasn’t Susan Atkins related to the founder of the steak & salad, “ketogenic” Atkins diet? Like, very closely so? Lol. Funny how these mega-wealthy Heiresses through the generations — Patty Hearst, Susan Atkins aka “Squeaky,” Clare and Sara Bronfman, most recently — wind up falling for and remain under the spell of deranged cult leaders like Charles Manson — whitey v. blackie — and how they all target TV and movie stars – “IT” girls – like Tate while their pedophile husbands like Roman Polanski are conveniently away on a movie shoot of their own?
Clare’s Sin. Sinclair. Forgive her and Sara, Frank. I do. And Pam and Ally and all the rest. (Except Nancy and above.). Their lives were stolen from them as surely as Gina’s was taken prematurely. IDK how I lived to tell so far.
If Susan Atkins was related to the “Atkins Diet” founder…she was no heiress.
Susan Atkins grew up in northern California. Her parents were alcoholics. Susan’s life was disrupted by the gradual breakup of her family, frequent relocations, and her leaving home to live independently. Until she was 13 years old, Atkins and her family lived in a middle-class home in San Jose, California. After her mother’s death of cancer, relatives were asked to help look after Susan and her two brothers. Her father eventually left the children behind to fend for themselves. Susan took a job during her junior year in high school to support herself and her brothers.
Hardley spoiled
Although like Allison Mack Susan Atkins liked to sing.
She was in the High School Glee Club.
” She was described by those who knew her as a quiet, self-conscious girl who belonged to her school’s glee club and the local church choir. ”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Atkins
LOL. Heidi posts more bullshit.
Robert Atkins, founder of the Atkins diet, was not related to Susan Atkins of the Manson clan.
Where does Heidi get this shit from? Probably from Frank. That mother fucker supports anything Heidi says.
If Heidi said the moon’s made of cheese, Frank won’t challenge it.
The moon is made of cheese.
love it!
Bangkok,
Who are you kidding?
You are obsessive with Heidi Hutchinson.
In fact if it turns out that your one of her neighbors I would not be surprised….