UPDATE: A source that I deem to be extremely reliable tells me that Keith Raniere is not going to put on a case and that the prosecution and the defense will both rest their cases today and that closing arguments will begin on Monday.
According to the prosecution, they may conclude their case today [Thursday], or by Friday [June 14].
They told the judge Wednesday they believed they would wind up Thursday but admitted things could go longer. It appears there may be only one more new witness – the FBI case agent.
If this is true, then Allison Mack will not testify. This may be unfortunate for her since she has been badly damaged by the testimony of her former DOS slaves, Nicole and Jaye.
Mack pleaded guilty to racketeering and racketeering conspiracy and faces a maximum prison sentence of 40 years. There is no minimum. My estimation of federal sentencing guidelines for her is in the 3-5 year range. I would have expected a chance at a downward departure – particularly if she testified for the prosecution and did well [as Lauren Salzman did].
During the last few days of trial, two women painted a brutal picture of her – not as a victim, or in any way resembling the delightful Chloe of Smallville, [the character she portrayed on TV] but as an abusive, vindictive, power-hungry, and manipulative slave master.
If Allison testified, she might have explained how Keith Raniere manipulated her. She might have told how Keith ordered her to be harsh with her two DOS slaves – and that she was trying to help them – giving them “tough love” because she believed in Keith, who told her what to do – as her slave master.
When Allison ordered Jaye to seduce Keith – Allison might have been able to explain that it was Keith who ordered her to order Jaye to seduce him.
If Nicole and Jaye are victims [and not consenting adults who did everything because they wanted to] because they had collateral held over them, so might Allison also be a victim. Keith had ample collateral on her.
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On Wednesday, the prosecution showed the jury nude pictures of various Raniere harem women – taken in 2005 – by Raniere on his camera. The photos were found on a hard drive seized in his sex lair [library], when it was raided on March 27, 2018 by the FBI – one day after his arrest.
All the women were over the age of consent, except one – Cami – who the prosecution will attempt to prove – in part by the lack of an appendectomy scar – which she had since age 16 – that the photos were taken of Cami when she was 15.
In New York State, the age of consent is 17. Raniere possessing the nude photographs of Cami constitutes possession of child porn [which is not one of the charges he is facing in this case] – and also evidence of the racketeering enterprise he led.
The jurors were shown photographs of the adult nude women of Raniere alongside with Cami – in part to show that they were posed the same way as the child, Cami.
Some of the women of Raniere were Angel Smith, Kathy Russell, Barbara Jeske, Dawn Morrison, Barbara Bouchey, Pam Cafritz, Mariana, and Lauren Salzman.
Of the women whose pictures were given to the jury – and it was perhaps awkward – only Barbara Bouchey was in the courtroom, seated – as she has been since the start of this trial – in the spectator section.
It was observed that at least one juror looked at the pictures and then seemed to look over at Barbara.
[See Barbara saw a lot of good in Nxivm]
Once the prosecution rests, the defense will have the opportunity to put on a case. They do not have to put on a case. The defense does not have to prove anything. If they do put on a case, it will be up to the defendant, Keith Raniere, to decide whether he will testify.
If he does, he may be on the witness stand for days. I suspect the prosecution would be eager to cross-examine him at length – and that by itself might last four or five days.
It is not known if there will be court on Friday. My understanding is that if the prosecution rests today – and the defense chooses not to put on a case – there will be no court Friday. On Monday, closing arguments will begin and may run until Tuesday.
This would mean that by Wednesday, June 19, the jury should be deliberating on the innocence or guilt of defendant Raniere.
I would not be surprised if they return a verdict no later than Friday, June 21. [Fridays are a great day for verdicts it seems.]
On the other hand, if the defense chooses to put on a case, the end of this trial is uncertain. It might continue to the end of the month.
It does not seem many Nxivm/DOS members are prepared to testify on Raniere’s behalf. Some of them fear being criminally charged.
I was told that two Mexican, pro-Raniere witnesses wanted to testify and asked for “safe passage” via their attorneys from the DOJ. When they were not given that assurance, they declined to come from Mexico to the US to testify for fear they would be indicted as co-conspirators with Raniere.
The judge also ruled that Mexican supporters of Raniere cannot testify via closed-circuit TV from Mexico.
Perhaps Raniere will call expert witnesses. Maybe he can find DOS slaves to testify that DOS was not coercive.
More likely, if there is a defense, it will be Keith alone, taking the witness stand to show the jury why he is the smartest and most ethical man in the world.
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Your caption underneath KAR’s photo is bogus.
He’s giving the bird to his photo audience.
He’s fucken flipping them off.
Get a clue Frank.
A comment on this article’s lead picture: What an unappealing man, inside and out. Men who are less than classically handsome, or aged, can exude MAJOR appeal, though their intellect, compassion, genuineness, or kindness. (Not to mention hygiene.) Apparently KAR has none of the latter. He has merely a deceptively soft voice and snake-oil salesman skills.
I recall he had a cute phrase he liked to use over and over: “I am mindful of…” Hmmm. His mind is full of depraved sex and mathematical equations that make no sense..
What a cheater, liar, manipulator, thief and monster!
People like this are inherently dangerous, IMO.
Frankly don’t give a hoot if Allison is bat shit crazy.
Others were harmed by Allison, many others. She allowed her celebrity to be used for nefarious purposes.
Clifton Park must breathe more freely now with this pack of lechers exposed.
And Barbara wants to bring us the best of NXIVM. That’s like saying genocide saves people from dying of cancer.
Gotta tell ya, I wouldn’t be surprised, once things calm down, and reality sets in, that we don’t see a few suicides.
“And Barbara wants to bring us the best of NXIVM.”
There will always be apologists for Fascism.
And NXIVM is basically Fascism.
Mussolini made the trains run on time.
Hitler built the Autobahns.
So let’s forget the wars and murders and party like it’s 1939.
“Others were harmed by Allison, many others. She allowed her celebrity to be used for nefarious purposes.”
Can’t you be even stupider? Harmed other?
She wasn’t accused of anything like “harming” but only about coercing (and even that isn’t proved in the court…she never threaten anyone)
But one thing was clearly said to be true, Allison was harmed and a lot (Vicente confirmed, Lauren confirmed and even Nicole confirmed!)
That poor jury was forced to see pictures of nasty hairy old woman cunt. Your welcome for the mental image.
Well there is a parallel here to the justice system’s disconnect with internet crime. Our justice system simply dwells in an arcane place and appropriate change comes very slowly.
My overall impression is that, in an abstract way, this case is being handled the way a drug case would be. Perhaps that is the nature of anything RICO.
Internet crime is difficult to prove unless you have the resources of the NSA.
MAC addresses(Device IDs) and IP can be spoofed.
To actually prove something in court, you need to retrieve the actual hard drive and or the hardware with the Mac/Net card.
Good luck.
The jury schocked to see child porn fotos of Camila, age 15. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-metro-mxivm-raniere-camila-child-porn-20190613-gbcril6blzcadb7nbj5v5w6ozq-story.html%3foutputType=amp
Allison signed some form of cooperation agreement right? Will it be made public?
I agree with people below suggesting that she is probably not mentally fit enough to testify, and yes I believe she gave the prosecution the recording of her and Keith discussing branding. Surely cooperation can mean other things than testimony?
You know, it’s funny, Frank Parlato, but I have been thinking about this and kind of feeling it coming in the wind, testing out the idea that the trial has been sufficient as it stands to convict Raniere. Taking in the trial as a whole, the testimony has been exhaustive and rich in detail. Very possibly the jury is ready. It cannot have been easy listening.
To keep repeating similar testimony from more witnesses could lead to overkill and a sense of suspended weariness for the jurors. That might be counterproductive. Strike while the iron is hot, and let’s get it on and see whether Raniere decides to testify or to fire some attorneys or to try to weasel his way into a prison hospital, where he might dream that he’ll be more safe.
And yes, that is a dream. No matter where Raniere goes now, he’ll be seen as a predator who values no one’s life. His days as a free man who wants to play God are over.
it was clear AM wasnt going to testify as soon as nicole started. having her testify afterward wouldnt make any sense. it would be like having lauren testify only after dani did – when the jury would be much less likely to be sympathetic to her.
my guess is that AM is very unstable and would not do well under cross. she would make lauren look completely composed and stoic. also, the defense might use her testifying as a way to deflect blame onto her and away from keith. especially considering how suggestible she is, they might even have been able to push a false confession out of her. better to just leave her out of it.
I agree that Mack is probably in very bad shape mentally, and would not be much use in this trial. You only have to look at more recent photographs of her, to see that she’s not on the same planet as the rest of us. She’ll never recover from NXIVM. Should she go to prison, she’ll probably just disappear into obscurity when she gets out, never to be seen again. But she should be sent to prison, because no matter how fragile she might be, she’s harmed a lot of people.
Reminds me a bit of Charles Starkweather and Caril Ann Fugate (killing spree in Nebraska in the 1950s), although she was underage when she got drawn into his murderous life of crime. After a while, she was an enthusiastic participant. She spent many years in prison and once released, disappeared into obscurity.
IMO, Allison is now thoroughly disgraced, based on the testimony. At one time, I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, but no more.
I used to think that Shadow was unduly harsh towards Allison, but maybe I was wrong.
OCD: I take no joy in being correct in this case.
Shadowstate,
I take no joy in being right…… 👌🏼
She reminds me of Squeaky Fromme in just one way. Squeaky says she’s still in love with Charles Manson. Allison Mack will always love her Vanguard, because he hollowed her out and filled her with himself.
I’m assuming it was her that turned over that recording of Keith and her discussing the branding? I heard the recording and it basically puts the whole branding thing on him. So apparently she did cooperate in some way. Not sure how much that is going to help though without testifying.
“NEW YORK — Jurors at the trial of Keith Raniere were shown 18 sexually explicit images Thursday of a 15-year-old girl that were allegedly possessed by the NXIVM spiritual leader in a Halfmoon townhouse.”
https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Jury-sees-child-pornography-allegedly-possessed-13987155.php
As far as cults go, NXIVM is small fry. Lots of people have mentioned that about 17,000 people took courses, but a more meaningful statistic would be the number of people still actively involved. I suspect that over the last few years that would be in the low hundreds. As for now, its probably measured in a few dozens. NXIVM is over. There will still be a few deluded fanatics like Nickvi Pea Pee, but there won’t be many, and bringing in new people will prove to be impossible. So Mexico will be the last place where courses might be run by the remaining undead. The job is done. Whatever the sentencing turns out to be, NXIVM is no more.
So f*** off back to your cell Vanguard, you’ve had your 15 minutes of infamy.
Yeah, but Bouchey wants to bring the “best” of NXIVM to us.
There is no best. Besides Keith plagiarized all of it.
G & Everyone else.
Heidi Hutchinson overtime has completely outlined where all of Keith Raniere ideas have come from.
Heidi was around before Keith became Vanguard.
G is right – Keith plagiarized everything.
Keith Raniere’s first original idea was DOS and it blew up in his face.
LOL
I think that this must reflect the state’s calculations and the emotional state of the witness. Allison Mack is probably in a rather distraught and confused state and the media frenzy (her testimony would be the biggest day in the trial) would make it even worse. Putting her on the witness stand now would only work to the defense’s benefit. She certainly will one day need to tell her story, pay her due, make amends, etc., but that would be better achieved when she is in a more stable place–the trial is about putting Raniere away for good.
She might even have some kind of medical exemption from taking part in the trial. All it would take would be signatures from a couple of psychiatrists. NXIVM was her life. She has nothing outside of the cult to fall back on.
Make amends? How do you undo branding? Grooming sex slaves?
Let us hope her family keeps her with them.
Decent people will avoid her.
Oh, I know. She fits right in with incedtuous Hollyeood BUT even they want nothing to do with her.
Would love to see Raniere testify and turn all red in the face under cross examination.
Is it just me, or is anyone else a little underwhelmed at the prosecution here?
No, it’s not just you. I have a feeling Moira’s stance has softened completely unexpectedly too.
I am underwhelmed.
While Raniere might go down on the sex charges, as will Allison and Lauren, I believe that the other corruption involving NXIVM will be swept under the rug.
The other corruption involving money laundering, fraud, computer tampering, corruption of government officials, immigration fraud, illegal campaign contributions and the like.
What this trial uncovered was only the tip of the iceberg and NXIVM will ultimately regroup.
Shadowstate,
Be prepared to be underwhelmed…..
……And what ever you do don’t hold your breath.
We should all be happy if only Keith Raniere goes to prison as long as he gets 20 years.
mho someone very high up latitia andy …. chuck? sillyb? someone wants this buried stick to the sex dont discuss the business the rico business of it the mku limited hangout of it ….just shut it down …….fry one creepy bastard ratfuckers escape to regroup and reratfuck at nauseam.
Well, this sucks. Allison should be taking the stand. I am not sure that the jury is convinced beyond a reasonable doubt on the charges. Sure, Keith looks like a slimy doucher, but the criminality of his actions is what is in question. I also am suspicious that the jury has been played with. It only takes one. IF he is acquitted, does double jeopardy apply? Can he go right back to doing what he was doing without the fear of being charged with those things again?
I was upset to learn that Muslims were on the jury.
I know enough about Islamic culture to understand that in the Middle East Raniere would be seen as doing nothing wrong.
Islam approves of polygamy.
Islam approves of Female Genital Mutilation.
In Islam a man can marry a six year old girl.
And I don’t want to see an America where Boston and Buffalo start to resemble Baghdad.
I think you’re confusing Muslims and Islamists 🙁
FYI; The is the USA where freedom of religion is practiced and guaranteed under the constitution. If you can’t believe Muslims can’t be fair-minded and objective, then you should look at your own beliefs and ask yourself if you are fair minded and objective?
Muslims are strongly against sex outside of marriage. Also, they hate abortion more than born again Christians hate abortion.
Plus there is the incest angle and the photos that probably sent them over the edge.
I was/am shocked Agnifilo did not strike them.
Better Muslims than Antifa or granolas.
Then you should be upset about the possibility of Mormons, and some Ultra-Orthodox Jews, being on the jury as well – have you checked to be sure there aren’t any?
The things you cite you are only practiced to the extent they are in Islam, because they are found in the Old Testament, and have also been practiced by Christians and Jews over the ages as well, though all faiths and cultures are evolving away from such practices. The Muslims who come to the US are among the most progressive – and almost entirely monogamous.
Christians practice female genital mutilation in Africa as well, because it is cultural, not religious – and it’s even been found among fundamentalist Christian communities in the US, where some of the staunchest Bible Belt states have failed to outlaw it.
Just because most modern day Muslims don’t practice polygamy themselves doesn’t mean they don’t believe in it. They are just biding their time, if it takes another generation, or several, that is the goal. Even if the “moderate” ones don’t intend to do that in the future, the radical ones will force it down their throats. The same can’t be said about the Mormons or Jews. Regarding female mutilation, it would be helpful to provide links instead of a spurious claim. I’m going to ignore it otherwise.
Regarding polygamy, the same thing could be said about Mormons, particularly given that for nearly a century they essentially tolerated large communities even taking over local governments in places like Short Creek – and the LeBarons continue on in Mexico, where they became affiliated with NXIVM and even sent girls North to Raniere in Albany.
I don’t state or claim anything significant without being able to source it:
Female Genital Mutilation Is Not a Uniquely Muslim Problem
https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/02/female-genital-mutilation-not-uniquely-muslim-problem/
“According to UNICEF, the practice of FGM is mostly limited to central Africa….and although it’s more common among Muslims than other religions, Christians are pretty close in most countries.” [see the graphs – Christian rates of FGM are over 80% in several countries, and higher among Roman Catholics]
INTERVIEW – U.S. woman says strict Christian parents subjected her to FGM
news.trust.org/item/20190401142012-hf8eu/
“Jennifer is the second white American woman from a strict religious background to talk publicly about undergoing FGM.”
Cornflake Christians: Women Are Being Subjected To Female Genital Mutilation In The Heart Of America
https://bust.com/feminism/195839-female-genital-mutilation-america-kentucky-woman-christian.html
“Early this month a Kentucky woman reported that she had been forced to undergo female genital mutilation (FGM) along with her sister as a child by her white, Christian parents. “
It has to be unanamous to acquit him. The chances of that happening is pretty close to zero. If some say guilty and others not guilty, it’s a hung jury and a new trial, and I doubt the judge will let him out of jail while he awaits a new trial. The state can still go after him, but the feds can’t, unless they come up with new charges, which is entirely possible.
Doesn’t matter to Penza…She needs to go to jail but Raniere…Look at Jaye’s testimony, all against Allison (without any crimes implied, just something to say she is a “bitch”…that all the argument that this whole testimony had.
Acquitted is unlikely but he could get a second trial and an appeal will definitely pass seeing how prosection handled this whole case…
With Allison’s testimony, chances are that it wouldn’t have helped much for a lot (as she was in no crime but collateral collecting and “forced labor”)…but maybe, she could have testified about what Raniere did to her and that would have been way more incriminating.
Instead of that, Prosecution decided it’s more worthy to send a victim in jail…Welcome to the USA judicial system. (And before anyone goes that she isn’t a victim, it’s not a question that she is…There is only one difference between her and the other victims: They are INNOCENT victims, she is just a victim.
It’s good to get it over with!
Raniere and company’s crap, I’ve had enough of it. We already know that Raniere is fearful and lacks, it only confirms what we understood of the character.
“Perhaps Raniere will call expert witnesses.”
I can’t imagine what kind of “expert” witness that would be. Every credible cult expert I’ve read would crucify the little perv. I read his “Rational Inquiry” and “ethics” systems and cannot imagine a reputable therapist, academic or philosopher who would go near it with a ten foot Freudian Couch. It is a maze of disparate concepts ostensibly brought into order and meaning by contrived insightful and important sounding terms and phrases – but which Shakespeare would likely describe as…
“A tale told by an idiot
Full of sound and fury…
Signifying nothing.”
“More likely, if there is a defense, it will be Keith alone, taking the witness stand to show the jury why he is the smartest and most ethical man in the world.”
For all I’ve read about this deeply warped human being — I can’t decide if he realizes his true “genius” actually lies only in obfuscation, deception, duplicity and illusion — or if he actually believes the super-human myths he created. Either way — it would be a fascinating spectacle to see him attempt to baffle and buffalo the jury with his preposterous pabulum.
Or, perhaps his radar tripping intellectual energy can be focused on the jury’s right brain cognitive function with a no disintegration signal.
Perhaps all of the other defendants, except for Lauren, will testify for Raniere. After all, they already plead and have nothing to lose. Does that sound twisted enough for something Raniere would come up with?
Listened to a podcast NXIVM coach Kristin Kreuk did with fellow Smallville actor to see any reference to NXIVM and Allison Mack. Not a word about it. Lots of MeToo references, but none NXIVM. Then, the interviewer asked about Girls By Design, though not by name. Kreuk quickly changed the subject to something about indigenous people! You can’t talk about MeToo while silent about NXIVM.
Allison Who?
I never heard of her.
For Kristen Kreuk and her Smallville cast mates Allison Mack and NXIVM will disappear down George Orwell’s “Memory Hole.”
Memory hole
A memory hole is any mechanism for the alteration or disappearance of inconvenient or embarrassing documents, photographs, transcripts or other records, such as from a website or other archive, particularly as part of an attempt to give the impression that something never happened.[1][2] The concept was first popularized by George Orwell’s dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, where the Party’s Ministry of Truth systematically re-created all potentially embarrassing historical documents, in effect, re-writing all of history to match the often-changing state propaganda. These changes were complete and undetectable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_hole
I guess that proves Kristin is smarter that many people here say she is.
I always thought the attacks on Kristen Kreuk were a diversion to protect Allison Mack and I still believe that.
Well then you’re a fucking idiot who is talking nonsense.
Thank You !
Or just lucky.
It’s not smart. It’s cowardly and hypocritical.
You are exactly right, muff dive,
Do you have a link to the podcast?
Frank has been highly accurate with his insights from sources.
I put my money on a prop bet of Frank being right.
Just two days ago, Frank deduced that Raniere would testify. https://frankreport.com/2019/06/11/defenses-proposed-jury-instructions-suggest-raniere-will-testify/
Let’s see which is more accurate – Frank’s source or his own investigative insight. I seem to recall many contradictory postings on Nancy Salzman. One week cooperating, next not, soon to plea, then not. LOL
Anonymous,
Frank has been incredible, over the last 2 years, at getting sources and acquiring information.
Parlato is like a CIA character from homeland.
As I understand it, Raniere at one point believed he had a mole or a leaker working with Frank.
Raniere started spying on his own people.
……. So cut Parlato some slack!!!
It is actually very possible that KR dares to do he’s own closing statment, he’s narcisistic and crazy enough to pull something like that. Besides, he’s not paying for his defense, so he doesn’t really care. That would be something to behold: the monster defending himself and tossing aside the million dollar defense team CB is paying for him.
That is an interesting idea. I wonder how many times he would stub the little square toes of his little square feet saying things that are not allowed to be said, assuming the judge would even allow him to do it? If Raniere speaks, would it be considered testimony and open him to cross examination? Would he hand himself sticky notes every 20 seconds during the closing statement, or would Agnifilo have to do this?
I will be shocked if the defense does put on a case to refute some of the testimony.
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I am equally shocked that Allison Mack did not testify.
Did the prosecution worry that Allison Mack would become a hostile?
Currently is Allison Mack not emotionally and mentally capable of testifying?
Frank Parlato is right that the testimony from the DOS members thus far paints Allison Mack as an evil sadistic woman.
Allison Mack will be remembered not as a victim but a villain.
“Currently is Allison Mack not emotionally and mentally capable of testifying?”
Allison Mack is not emotionally stable or mature enough to do anything and has not been stable for a long time.
“Frank Parlato is right that the testimony from the DOS members thus far paints Allison Mack as an evil sadistic woman.”
And when I’ve argued that very same point myself for months I have been vilified by you.
Even after pointing to accounts of Allison Mack’s abnormal behavior I have been vilified by you.
Shadowstate,
I have stated I have greatly enjoyed many of your articles and I believe you’re an intelligent human being.
When it comes to Allison Mack, you had mostly speculation and hunches.
Like my hunch or theory about 10:50 😉
I am probably off base but I thought it seemed like a plausible theory.
I conceded I have no real proof other than the numbers being the same.
Odd that the exchange rates that day left no change +or-. What are the odds of that?
Only 2 things have I ever disagreed with you on.
1. Allison Mack’s evilness… which apparently you are mostly correct on.
2. Rhiannon, a 12-year-old girl, that you believe should have been brave and gone undercover and you believe, if my memory is correct, is responsible for many of the crimes Raniere committed after her rape or at the very least she should feel guilty.
I bet that on 98% of life’s principles and beliefs in life you and I would agree on.
You appreciate history even more then myself which is a compliment and a fact that I respect.
Have a good evening.
…since the beginning, a lot of the things Moira Penza said have been “debunked” by her own team…
The great priestess and leader of dos progressively got down to a pawn level…
Because of her decision, I feel like the defense could “win”…at least on half of the points.
“Frank Parlato is right that the testimony from the DOS members thus far paints Allison Mack as an evil sadistic woman.
Allison Mack will be remembered not as a victim but a villain”
Evil sadistic? She didn’t apply any physical violence and sound irrational at best…I Don’t see how anyone sane or clever enough would see anything else.
She was exactly in the same position as the other victims and people avoid the “India” subject while she was definitely in the same position as Allison and did the same (including profited from the “act of cares”)
Here, on FR, people can think she is a villain, but sane people won’t
No testimony by Karen Unterreiner??? Nothing about tax evasion, corruption of public autorities, abuse of legal system, etc.? This trial only scratched the surface so far. I hope that Albany County will make a more complete trial on their own.
I’m gonna quote ALBANY COUNTY “ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz……… *”
Alex I could not possibly agree with you more.
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How federal prosecutors have territorial boundaries leaves me perplexed. The whole idea of Federal government is to oversee all the states.
Not to mention the fact that the FBI was put together to deal with interstate crime originally.
Alex, the US DOJ NDNY will do nothing except maybe the child porn case if they can’t avoid it.
As for Albany County, they will do less than nothing.
My open letter to the New York State government was a “Hail Mary” pass on my part.
I believe that I don’t have the right to complain if I don’t try something.
And don’t be surprised ten years from now if NXIVM still exists in some form.
Perhaps even stronger than ever.
You mailed an open letter or published in a news paper?
I think that’s great.
I was taught that before one complains, one should try to change things in a constructive way.
I hope New York State takes the opportunity to do the right thing in this case and enforce New York State’s laws to protect their citizens.
Exactly. Karen was there from beginning to end. She knew all the numbers. What happened to her?
Considering that in 2007, DA Soares let Kristin Keeffe use his office to go after Joe O’Hara, I don’t see that happening.
[I don’t think this is true but it damn sure is funny. Saratoga Flash is a blog based in Saratoga Springs, NY – and a pseudo-successor to John Tighe’s Saratoga In Decline blog]
Saratoga Flash News
Keith Raniere’s defense attorney asks judge to seat his client at a separate table during remainder of trial in the interest of properly defending him.
“My client scribbles to me, on average, a note every 20 seconds each and every day, telling me how to do my job,’ the clearly exacerbated counselor said after the jury was sent to a back room.
“Worse, he’ll whisper to me of his sexual experiences with whatever female witness is on the stand. The details he told me of the last one had my hair standing on edge. He’s not letting me concentrate on the testimony”
Members of the press that have been following the trial have reportedly started a wagering pool on the likelihood of Raniere himself giving his own closing statement.
What is the link to the blog?
https://www.facebook.com/SaratogaFlashNews/
It’s a satire Facebook page.
Sometimes satire contains more truth than straight news.
That’s hilarious. 🤣They should have had Agnifilo finish off with “And I can’t bear the smell any longer.”
Yes, very funny if true…and still funny if not.
I like their Masthead.
Fat-Free News From a Cream Puff Town.
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Hey Nicki Clyne, you made the local newspaper!
Anyone up for a road trip to Flintock Lane?
Allison Mack’s Wife Spotted Near NXIVM Headquarters
Allison Mack’s wife has been lurking around upstate New York nearby the NXIVM sex cult headquarters, RadarOnline.com can exclusively report.
https://www.facebook.com/SaratogaFlashNews/
Interesting. From the perspective of a civil attorney, in a civil trial, lawyers try to start and finish with their strongest witnesses. If the prosecution ends w an FBI agent, I wonder what he/she will have to say. If it is mostly a reciting of emails, texts, and financial documents, I can’t imagine that would be as powerful as putting a victim on the stand to end the case. That said, it may be that the prosecution is simply wanting to nail down the more procedural elements of Raniere’s federal crimes.
If the jury operates as instructed by the judge, they will have to focus solely on the federal crimes that Raniere is charged with. For example, he hasn’t (and couldn’t be) charged with possession of child porn, kidnapping, etc – those would have to be prosecuted under state law.
If Raniere is found “not guilty,” I can’t imagine that the State of New York won’t charge him. Of course, y’all have been around this block much longer and know much more about it than I do. Sounds like the State of NY has known for a long time that crimes were committed and chose to turn a blind eye. Maybe the publicity and outrage will force their hand.
I think Raniere is charged with having child porn.
I find it almost unbelievable that Mack and Bronfman may not testify, given that they are Raniere’s main enablers and accomplices.
Justice? What justice?
In this world you only get the Justice that money can buy.
And don’t expect Emiliano Salinas or any other NXIVM gangsters to be indicted.
Warner Bros neither.
Warner Brothers is now called Warner Media and it’s part of A, T & T.
And what did Warner Media do other than make schlocky entertainment geared towards teen age girls?
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All I can figure vis a vis Nancy Salzman, Mack and Bronfman is that the prosecution had doubts about whether they would end up giving testimony that would be helpful to Raniere. In other words, there was concern that the Kool-aid was still in their systems. If that’s the case, I’m not sure why the prosecution offered them a deal. My understanding is that the main reason for offering a deal in a crime involving several defendants is to obtain testimony from the defendants who plead guilty (a la Lauren Salzman).
I truly can’t understand why Nancy Salzman, Mack, and Bronfman would not have to testify as part of their guilty pleas. (I’m suspect that there is a good reason – anyone know what it is)?
N Salzman, Mack and Bronfman all believe Nxivm helped many people despite the abuses of KAR. Their testimony might cause doubt in the jurors over the guilt of Raniere and shift the focus away from his culpability to their own culpability. The prosecution wants to keep it simple. Furthermore, they know NDNY can also go after Raniere on the child pornography and statutory rape issues.
Double Anonymous:
I hate to be a pessimist but the NDNY will do nothing and the State of New York will do less than nothing.
And when NXIVM regroups many of the same cast of characters will return like the bad soap opera NXIVM is.
Double is exactly correct.
They offered them the deal to shut up and shut this down….nys will do nothing {but go after trump as instructed by invisible strings} and nxivm will regroup bigger creepier and in tact elsewhere {Age of consent is 12 there}
chickyrogue:
I am afraid you are right.
Too many powerful people in New York State and Mexico would have their feathers ruffled if the true facts of NXIVM were exposed.
I gave my best effort to throw a Hail Mary Pass to get the State of New York to act on this case with my open letters to New York State officials and KR Claviger did the same with the NDNY in Albany.
It’s fine to get rid of Raniere but the bulk of the NXIVM cult is free to regroup and mark my words it will regroup and continue to vex New York State.
And many of the same characters will be involved.
Angela:
You’ve hit on the reason.
Nancy, Allison and Clare are as culpable as Raniere and they are all True Believers in NXIVM.
They are all drunk on the NXIVM Kool-Aid.
NXIVM will return and the same people in the old cult will be prominent in the new improved (?) NXIVM.
No, Nancy and Bronfman specifically said they wouldn’t testify…
Mack was definitely supposed to testify and clearly helped the prosecution with the USB key and the allocution.
The prosecution could have 2 reasons:
1. Allison did not know enough to make her testimony interesting for them (She was in no other crimes than what she pleaded for…and only on 1 of the 2 victims. She was actually also the one person who was the least longest a criminal in the enterprise…She started the end of 2016 (and only with the “extortion” (more like collateral collecting) and pseudo-slavery (because like Agnifillo said, Nicole didn’t pay either for Allison’s help))
2. Penza, who was more violent toward Allison than Raniere since the beginning, decided that she didn’t want to give a chance to Allison to give the complete version.
Most likely because with the Truth, Allison, would have been seen as a victim and would get no jail time (she served more than a year, technically).
Penza isn’t looking for justice but for her future…nobody seems to care if Raniere ends up in jail but Allison Mack? an actress…in a period were all actors should be sent
Maybe she can hope to be a judge
She (Penza) was barely active until Nicole…
Nicole and Jaye barely add anything for the trial (it’s Raniere’s trial) and there isn’t much to push for the crimes he committed…
Worst yet, Jaye is barely caring about Raniere and just accuses Allison (while it doesn’t fit the timeline and India was her master)
Allison might not be able to defend herself but the fact is that she is still a victim and lost WAY MORE THAN the others …
There’s no way to shut Pandora’s box with all these monsters flying out left and right now. Even with heavy weights like Salinas and Slim bearing down on the lid nothing will prevail against the pure light within that frees and ultimately unites us all.
Mexico will be liberated from its oppressors. They’re already way ahead of us driven by their long wait for justice and thirst for freedom. They know the enemy — enslavement — and they are bonded already by their passion to escape it.
I’m impressed with the strong female leaders in Mexico that I never knew existed.
They’ll remake themselves and they may need to build a wall to keep us out if we don’t find our own free will within ourselves and continue to succumb to any tyranny and corruption such as has festered in Albany, NY.
“Keith Raniere is not going to put on a case and that the prosecution will rest its case today and that closing arguments will begin on Monday.” The defense is admiting its lack of arguments, KR is fried!!
Interesting that Salzman (Lauren) is the only one of the five other defendants to testify. Are the others deemed to be too flaky, unreliable, unstable, inconsistent, uncooperative, etc.? As far as their sentencing, how much can the evidence against them can be used to determine a longer sentence, as they did not have a chance to defend themselves? And finally, how much will the judge miss not bumping into Mack in the court lunchroom again? These are answers to questions that enquiring minds want to know.
This article made my day! Thanks for exposing the names of the nudes found on the computer shown to court. Karma is a bitch-bitch
Allison Mack’s testifying for the prosecution was never in the cards.
Let’s examine Allison Mack’s reputation for veracity.
1.) Allison Mack fabricated out of thin air the false allegation that her nephew had been sexually molested by a relative.
This type of blatant LIE by Allison Mack could both damage the life of the child and the life of the relative falsely accused.
And Allison Mack did not give a damn.
When the actor Jussie Smollett claimed to have been attacked for his race and sexual orientation the cost to the Chicago Police to investigate this false charge was 130,000 dollars.
Allison Mack is a white female version of Jussie Smollett.
2.) To double down on her madness Allison Mack falsely claimed that she herself had been sexually molested by a relative.
Again Allison Mack did not care about the consequences to the victim of her false allegations.
Any competent defense attorney could rip her veracity apart on cross-examination. and Marc Agnifilo is more than competent.
It is doubtful if Allison Mack understands and appreciates the difference between fact and fiction and why that difference is important in a criminal trial.
Besides Allison Mack in her heart and mind is still a True Blue member of NXIVM.
And NXIVM regards Allison Mack as a True Believer.
The Tribute Page to Allison Mack is still up and running and it is being regularly updated with new photos.
Posted one day ago:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BymfNrGAyia/
Posted six days ago.
https://www.instagram.com/p/ByZZUd6gAHs/
Posted one week ago
https://www.instagram.com/p/ByR7I9ogTQr/
Posted two weeks ago
https://www.instagram.com/p/ByE1nY_AfBf/
Posted three weeks ago
https://www.instagram.com/p/BxwlhRAAk67/
Posted three weeks ago
https://www.instagram.com/p/BxoUV_3gPHB/
Moreover, NXIVM DOS, when one really examines it, is a sex cult for bisexual women into BDSM.
Last October Slave Jane said as much to Frank Parlato.
‘Slave’ tells about her role in GBD, about Allison & Kristin Kreuk: “I never saw KK do anything illegal’
Jane: I think she (Kristin Kreuk) is fickle and claimed to be of BDSM and then the minute anyone looked, dropped us like a bad habit and shamed us. I do not feel anything KK did was illegal. If you claim to be a sub, you can’t suddenly make like you don’t know us when the Mean Girls are looking. Looking the other way when bad stuff is happening is disgusting but not illegal.
FR: What is a mean girl?
Jane: A mean girl is a feminist who does allow any other women to live their lives unless it agrees with her own choices.
https://frankreport.com/2018/10/18/slave-tells-about-her-role-in-gbd-about-allison-kristin-kreuk-i-never-saw-kk-do-anything-illegal/
And Keith Raniere had already become a figurehead in his own cult.
NXIVM was really financed and run by the NXIVM women with a few males thrown in for variety.
Think of NXIVM as a bee hive.
Keith Raniere was the Queen Bee who was serviced by the drone bees, the real workers.
And Raniere would pay off his workers, both female and male, by French Kissing them.
Lastly when the prosecution said that Allison Mack and India Oxenberg had cooperated by providing two USB sticks it was clear that neither woman would testify.
Other than the possibility of child porn charges against Raniere don’t expect the NDNY to investigate or prosecute anyone else in NXIVM.
After laying low for a while NXIVM will be able to rebuild with money from wealthy Mexicans.
The Fix Is In.
Rick Ross testified, likening KAR to L. Ron Hubbard.
https://nypost.com/2019/06/12/nxivm-witness-compares-keith-raniere-to-scientologys-l-ron-hubbard/
More from Rick Ross.
https://m.timesunion.com/news/article/Cult-expert-testifies-about-his-dealings-with-13972283.php
Thank you. I’ve been learning from the long and strong work of Rick Ross since 2005, when a combo of my own research and some very good luck drew me to his research, experience and analysis. The jury is fortunate to be given the chance to listen to Rick Ross testify. I’d like to learn every word of what he said during his testimony, too.
Are Mack (and the others who took a plea) affected in any way by what is said about them in KAR’s trial?
I think they are not, and their sentences imposed by the judge has to be based only on what the Feds charged them with and what they pled to.
Therefore it doesn’t matter how badly Mack was portrayed in this trial, it would seem to be immaterial to what sentence the judge gives her…because she was not on trial here,
There can be aggravating and extenuating circumstances that can affect the sentencing.
I disagree. they are NOT on trial. testimony that harms them can’t be used because they are unable to defend themselves.
repeat: THEY ARE NOT ON TRIAL!
First off, i’m gonna admit that it’s partially true (as it’s the same judge who is gonna sentence her)…
What was heard can have an impact but contrary to you, the judge will read the WHOLE CASE, not just seek for things out of context to try to demonstrate the culpability.
He is not blindened by an absurd hate (that you never explained…not that i care about why you are a moron)
“During the last few days of trial, two women painted a brutal picture of her – not as a victim, or in any way resembling the delightful Chloe of Smallville, [the character she portrayed on TV] but as an abusive, vindictive, power-hungry, and manipulative slave master.”
?? Have we read the same thing? Nicole talked about a loving person who never threatened her. She even said she was thankful to Allison while leaving…
Jaye tried to pin a few things on Allison but didn’t paint as much a dark portrait of Allison as she did of India.
“If Allison testified, she might have explained how Keith Raniere manipulated her. She might have told how Keith ordered her to be harsh with her two DOS slaves – and that she was trying to help them – giving them tough love because she believed in Keith, who told her what to do – as her slave master.”
That is true but when you see Jaye’s testimony, one can wonder why? It didn’t add anything to Raniere’s case! Penza just tried to charge Allison before sentencing so she decided that Allison should not testify.
As absurd as it is at the moment, the most damning testimony is from Lauren and if Allison testified, she could have sealed the case against Raniere…
Here, Allison risks getting more time (depending on the judge and how he will see the whole case) and Raniere gets a chance to get the least amount…
Agnifillo didn’t even try to cross-examine Jaye…It’s not because he wants to protect the witness but because of the weakness of the testimony and how it’s not relevant to Raniere’s charge but against a défendant who pleaded already…And not even for criminal purpose as nothing criminal is done by Allison against Jay.
It’s obvious (seeing the guilty plea allocution that Allison gave) that Allison wasn’t refusing to testify but ultimately, it’s the prosecution who decides.
And Penza’s action during the testimonies show that she is not really trying hard to get Raniere down but look for Allison to get the max.
What is even more absurd is that in the end, Allison risks probably 3 years while Lauren who was in almost EVERY CRIME CITED will possibly get no time because the judge had sympathy for her…
I suspect that this is why Penza is not requiring Allison to testify. Allison testifying meant that she would probably get something like probation rather than jail time.
Still, I hope the judge sees the Truth and will be lenient toward Allison because one fact is clear:
More than ever , Allison has been shownto be, at best, a pawn in this case!
Mack is a pawn who ended up making her own chess moves.
Scott,
Are you taking Smart Pills™?
“A pawn”, “making its own moves”.
TEX is dropping knowledge!!!
Didn’t Jaye refer to Allison as a “bitch”?
What was Jaye thinking about Allison when she was ordered to seduce Keith?
“You fucking bitch” was her thought, she testified.
https://frankreport.com/2019/06/12/trial-tuesday-jaye-assigned-to-seduce-vanguard/
How’s the weather in Allison Mack land where the weather is always sunny.
Does it always rain soda pop in Allison Mack land?
Is the Candy Cane Crop coming in well this year in Allison Mack land.
And? you are so stupid…That is not a crime!
She said it was HER OPINION…At the same time, she tries to put Allison up with the case while it’s clearly India who’s the master…It’s even said clearly for the “slavery” part that India used her.
Jaye is obviously biased as she tries to push everything against Allison (there are some things that are even inconsistent in term of the timeline)
Nicole, on the other hand, was more genuine.
And you can turn it into an argument that tries to make me sound like I’m the one who is dellusional but that is because that’s all you are left with in term of argument (you never were that bright anyway)
The reality is that NOTHING THAT YOU ACCUSE ALLISON OFF IS TRUE.
Moron!
‘Tried to pin a few things on Allison’
A few things like blackmail, forced labor, and sex trafficking. She lied to Jay consistently and strategically in order to trick her into joining DOS. Told her it was a women’s empowerment group when, in fact, she was being made a slave and a sex toy, blackmailed into cooperating. Yeah, a few things like that.
For years, Mack had been lying about Jness. All about women’s empowerment, she promised, all the while serving the lewd, base desires of her impotent lover, Keith Raniere. Aging, fading Allison willingly suffered the humiliation of obtaining fresh meat for the greasy stained bed of her “friend and mentor”, taking out her anger and frustration on them by tormenting them with petty “readiness drills”, starvation dieting, and torture branding. She’s only slightly less despicable than Raniere, her lord and master in this perverted sadistic enterprise.
Well, it’s off to prison for her come mid-September. I’m a little disappointed that she didn’t testify because it would be good to hear about her weeping tears of self-pity on the witness stand. There she’d be, admitting once again to all the horrible things she had done, the corrupt path she had spent the best years of her life treading, while her doomed lover glared at her with those hateful reptilian eyes of his. Yes, a pity she was spared that humiliation.
I can’t Believe I’m gonna take time with your ridiculous answer but I’ll address some points:
“A few things like blackmail, forced labor, and sex trafficking”
There is no sex trafficking…but whatever you say. As for the rest.
Blackmail means she should threaten the victims, which she didn’t and forced labor? what about what Agnifillo asked to Nicole? Did she pay for Allison’s help?
“For years, Mack had been lying about Jness.”
Like EVERY MEMBER OF JNESS…They all believed it! (I don’t see you blaming Sara E. for her role and the fact that she KNEW it was a cult, yet continued to support until the last months)
“Allison willingly suffered the humiliation of obtaining fresh meat for the greasy stained bed of her “friend and mentor”, taking out her anger and frustration on them by tormenting them with petty “readiness drills”, starvation dieting, and torture branding. She’s only slightly less despicable than Raniere, her lord and master in this perverted sadistic enterprise.”
Being under heavy collateral herself is a curious situation for BEING WILLINGLY doing Something…idiot!
She never did anything without an order which demonstrates that she was forced to do everything.
I remind you that Nicole (the only true victim of Allison) said that she was “loving” and said how she was a good girl (like when they camped together) and thanked her after leaving… Doesn’t sound like she was that sadistic, huh?
“Well, it’s off to prison for her come mid-September. I’m a little disappointed that she didn’t testify because it would be good to hear about her weeping tears of self-pity on the witness stand. There she’d be, admitting once again to all the horrible things she had done, the corrupt path she had spent the best years of her life treading, while her doomed lover glared at her with those hateful reptilian eyes of his. Yes, a pity she was spared that humiliation.”
This shows why try to convince you is useless (as much as the rest of the text you posted)
All I see is a Shadow too, an absurd moron with nothing but rage and hate for someone he knows nothing about and accuses her of all the worst in the world even after it was debunked by the prosecution itself (witnesses)
I also see a little bit of a pizzagate or conspiracy fan here with the “reptilian eyes” comment…that make so much sense!
BTW, Don’t try any further, I’m convinced you are an absolute idiot!
It’s all very interesting – and still tantalizingly uncertain. Thanks for the update.
If the prosecution doesn’t call Mack, that indicates to me that she’s not yet distanced herself enough from her involvement with Raniere to make a good witness, as have the others who were called. That, in itself, is telling, when even Lauren Salzman – a very longtime loyalist who she leapfrogged to become Raniere’s henchwoman and the slave-mistress of DOS – has separated herself, and reflected, enough, to be able to see and articulate how what went on was wrong. And I suspect Mack is headed for a sentence at the stiffer end of the range, given the testimony about her involvement.
And were there no US-based pro-Raniere witnesses who would have been equally willing to testify, or is that degree of remaining loyalty unique to a few Mexicans?
I want to see Mack and Bronfman go to jail, but Bronfman might just be ordered to eat a slice of dry toast, with no butter or caviar.
No Grey Poupon Mustard for Clare.
well played ss58
Thank you.
shadowstate that was the funniest thing you’ve commented in a long time that was in the 1980s humor retro 2.0.
I laughed at the one out loud literally.
Thanks for the laugh.
Allison Mack is still part and parcel of the NXIVM cult.
In fact she is an icon for NXIVM.
Allison Mack is a Martyr to the cause for female empowerment through torture and sexual slavery.
NXIVM is a cult for bisexual females into BDSM.
No, she isn’t …moron
She was asked her opinion on whether she wanted to testify or not…The prosecution knew Allison was just a little pawn who had no knowledge.
It’s not her decision to participate or not.
Lowlifer!
And fuck, stop with the torture…you keep saying this yet the trial shows the exact opposite and shows specifically that Allison is definitely another victim.
I’m gonna stop you right there, Shadow. I don’t know what Allison did to cause you to have so much anger towards her. You don’t really care any of the people who were hurt. You care about seeing Allison get hanged for whatever reason I have no idea what she did to you that’s causing to write a bunch of nonsense about her for the past five years now.
I get it, You don’t believe that Allison is a victim but she is.
Wake the hell up, Shadow!