Heidi: Keith Staged Sorrow & Surprise Over Death of My Sister Before Barbara Bouchey

Gina Hutchinson
Heidi Hutchinson

By Heidi Hutchinson

This is in response to Barbara Bouchey’s article The Facts Surrounding Mark Vicente’s Enrollment Into Nxivm and to raise some questions about the death of my sister Gina Hutchinson

Hi Barb;

Thank you much for sharing your critical perspective on these events mentioned in your article. I know you have much more to tell and for us to look forward to.

Something I really only first fully grasped through information you shared with me years ago during the Bronfman v. Precision Development trial that I think is important for any, especially “truth judgers”, to remember is just how compartmentalized Keith Raniere is in his various “relationships” with different individuals. With very few was he ever “authentic” judging from widely disparate accounts.

I knew Keith Alan Raniere long before he became “Vanguard.”

In fact, KAR was so secretive (or paranoid) —as it’s been reported — he kept tabs on a number of individuals within and without Nxivm to ensure, in part, that there was no cross-referencing going on — not to say that this was his entire motive, or there weren’t other entities or individuals involved in these unlawful “spying” activities.

You’ve consistently stated — for example — that some months after my sister Gina Hutchinson passed in October 2002, Keith, Pam, and a couple of other inner-circle orbiters who were close with Gina aired their grief and trauma over Gina’s death in your presence.

I may never convince you otherwise, but I strongly suspect that this display of grief over Gina by Keith,  Pam, etc. was calculated and staged — and I don’t mind if you share those recollections from your POV. In fact, I pray and trust that you and others have done so with the FBI.

A couple of details you shared with me this past summer with Frank included one inner circle member tearfully lamenting that they “hadn’t done enough” to help cure Gina’s disintegrations.

You described Keith’s wails of sorrow over allegedly not staying close to Gina for some length of time prior to her death or he, Vanguard, surely could have and would have saved her.

Per my notes and recordings with your permission, you said this mournful reaction was presented to you as Keith, Pam and other’s first, “spontaneous” reaction to receiving news of Gina’s death, after which you logically concluded came as a complete shock to them all.

You said you were there “the moment when they first got the news about Gina” and witnessed first-hand how overcome they all were with grief and horror, and that there was no way any of them could have been involved with her death, let alone suspected she was ever suicidal.

You also adamantly shared that you know these reactions you witnessed to Gina’s death were authentic because your own best friend committed suicide shortly before you joined Nxivm.  Nancy Salzman was the therapist who saw you through your grief over that tragedy.

Well, as we’ve often rather emotionally tried to discussed (I laugh now at how quick Frank was to remove the knives from our table at the Marriott, as the yelling match escalated), I said that what you witnessed could not have been a spontaneous first reaction, because another friend of Gina’s delivered the news of Gina’s death before you were there to witness it. Gina’s friend delivered the news to Keith straight to the door of #3 Flintlock Lane within days of Gina’ death and invited Keith and the others to her funeral.,

No one from Nxivm, conspicuously, attended the funeral, or ever expressed their condolences.

You witnessed the grief of Vanguard after they knew about Gina’s death and not when they first heard about it.

What this illustrates for me, at the very least, is that such staged theatrics — whether or not you agree – means you were set-up to be a witness to their apparent replete innocence regarding Gina, or perhaps you still believe what you “witnessed” was real. They played you and others and this was a powerful tool Nxivm used in their successful efforts at covering their tracks as they went along perpetrating crimes without arousing suspicion.

What say you, Barb?

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Yolanda Cortez
Yolanda Cortez
4 years ago

Keith loves Gina and she lives in a higher plane because of him.

Rotting in Hell
Rotting in Hell
4 years ago
Reply to  Yolanda Cortez

Yolanda,
We cant wait for Keith to join her. Oh, wait… I dont think he’s going to that plane. Keith will be rotting in Hell

Heidi
Heidi
4 years ago
Reply to  Yolanda Cortez

I don’t call 6’ under a higher place, Yolanda.

You are quite correct that Keith convinced her she had a higher calling as his “consort” — could achieve enlightenment through tantric sex with him and even become a Goddess herself through the sacrifice of her life.

ionwhitepoetry
4 years ago
Reply to  Heidi

what a powerful article you have written, Heidi. Thanks

Heidi
Heidi
4 years ago
Reply to  ionwhitepoetry

More than welcome, Ion. Thanks for reading it and hope you’re hanging in there. Time heals.

shadowstate1958
4 years ago
Reply to  Yolanda Cortez

Yolanda,
Were you jealous that Allison was also in love with India Oxenberg and they appeared to have a sexual relationship-
Picture of Allison Mack with India Oxenberg
http://superbhub.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/India-Oxenberg-in-NXIVM.jpeg

niceguy
niceguy
4 years ago
Reply to  Yolanda Cortez

Fuck Off Yolanda!!!!!!

You fucking Troll! Seriously why Frank lets comments like the one above post I have no idea.

shadowstate1958
4 years ago
Reply to  niceguy

“Seriously why Frank lets comments like the one above post I have no idea.”

It’s called Freedom of Speech and accepting speech you don’t like is a sign of maturity.
Even Heidi, who lost the most in this sad story,, acts with dignity and respect towards Yolanda.

chickyrogue
chickyrogue
4 years ago

i think yolanda helps to expose the deeply entrenched in nonsensical singsong cultism when everyone else silently understands the actual event pain caused and effect suffered thereafter …..but hey im certain VANGUARD VANGUARDING was a hell of alot of nonsensical singsong as his whims dictated and the world turned

Scott Johnson
4 years ago
Reply to  niceguy

It’s called clicks.

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/from-smallville-to-a-sex-cult-the-fall-of-actress-allison-mack/ar-AABifXp-li=AAnZ9Ug&ocid=mailsignout

“Around 2013, Ms. Kreuk left Nxivm and maintained only “minimum contact” with those still involved, according to a statement she posted last year on Twitter.”

Wrong. She did not stop coaching after 2013. She was in Toronto filming a television show up until the end of 2015. Not being in the same location is not “minimal contact”.

“Her manager did not respond to requests for comment.”

Wonder why…

to Anon 9:12
to Anon 9:12
4 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

—–“Her manager did not respond to requests for comment.” Wonder why…

Because no answer would satisfy you

A Spank In Albany
A Spank In Albany
4 years ago
Reply to  to Anon 9:12

Spanky, go take a litre of bleach, 500ml of diesel fuel, 20 sleeping pills, mix them all together, have your iman turn it halal and put it down your neck as fast as you can. You are an absolute insufferable prick.

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago

Is constantly being wrong turned you into someone who advocates suicide- Really- Read your post and realize what others think of your hateful rants. Please, get some help. You need it.

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

“Please, get some help. You need it.”

Says aspergers boy. Lunatic.

A Nony Mouse
A Nony Mouse
4 years ago

If you don’t mind I’m keeping your recipe handy, you never no…mm

AnonyMaker
AnonyMaker
4 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

I still haven’t seen any evidence that really contradicts her statement. Even if she was doing some sort of coaching, unless she was sending money “uplines” through NXIVM, it didn’t necessarily mean they were still connected to NXIVM.

As has long happened for example with Scientology, many people leave such groups and continue to use some aspects of the “tech” that they’ve learned and may still believe works, including even offering their services as counselors or practitioners. In Scientology there are entire schismatic groups and centers that broke away claiming management was corrupt, but continue to offer the techniques and materials they claim to be of value on an independent basis, which may well see something like in the aftermath of NXIVM.

Kreuk is a figure of minimal interest anyway, except to those obsessed with her – probably because she’s a cute girl, as for instance no one is similarly fixated on insisting that Mark Hildreth come clean, or even seems to care about him. There is a long list of people who we haven’t heard from who were far more involved and could do much more to shed light on what actually went on, probably starting with Karen Unterreiner and the really important Kristin – Keeffe.

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago
Reply to  AnonyMaker

“I still haven’t seen any evidence that really contradicts her statement. Even if she was doing some sort of coaching, unless she was sending money “uplines” through NXIVM, it didn’t necessarily mean they were still connected to NXIVM.”

She was still coaching in 2015, at least in Vancouver, despite claiming she left in 2013. Coaching for NXIVM is not leaving NXIVM.

She is the most well known “celebrity” in NXIVM who is known about and used said fame to legitimise the cult, ie, it can’t be a cult if someone in the public eye is in it. (It is).

"She is the most well known “celebrity” in NXIVM"
"She is the most well known “celebrity” in NXIVM"
4 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

If she is so well known, why are you the only one who remembers seeing her coaching in 2015-
Frank posted that three high-ranking insiders say she left in 2013.
Your obsession postings against KK have turned you into the Anti-Sultan.

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago

Go away spanky. It’s so easy to get under that creepy brown skin.

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago

You Sultan “spotters” should check his twitter and see how he is laughing at you. He enjoys your idiocy.

AnonyMaker
AnonyMaker
4 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

But was she coaching for NXIVM, or on her own- The world is full of life and business coaches, most of them using techniques they have picked up from somewhere, and typically from multiple sources.

It’s almost certain, for instance, that after things blew up in Vancouver and LA, and hundreds left NXIVM, that people have continued coaching, even delivering EMs and possibly even some of the modules, to former NXIVM members but outside of NXIVM, and it’s just being kept quiet. There will be more of that in years to come, and it may be hard to tell who actually remains part of some organization directly related to the old NXIVM, who is doing many of the same things completely independently, and who is incorporating some of it but really going their own way. That’s a story that has yet to be told, and will probably be quite interesting.

Kreuk is not famous, and not even well-known except to obsessed fans. She didn’t have enough of a reputation to somehow contribute to NXIVM’s legitimacy, which had already been built up to whatever extent it was by people like the Bronfmans and, of course, Vicente, except to a small extent in a circle of fellow actors – is there anyone other than Mack, who she can even be credited with recruiting- Her fanboys living in their parents’ basements weren’t a demographic that NXIVM was going to get to come to Albany and shell out big bucks, and her other recruiting attempts like GBD were a flop – probably in part because she didn’t actually have enough star power.

I don’t particularly care to defend her, I’m just tired of hearing too much about her. India Oxenberg, for instance, knows much more of interest and relevance about DOS, so if anyone is going to focus on a minor celebrity imaging that they can be called out, she’d be a better target.

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago
Reply to  AnonyMaker

She was definitely coaching for NXIVM in Vancouver. At least entry level 5 day intensives. At intensives, you could find more than one coach, including assistant coaches. Coaching NXIVM intensives with other NXIVM coaches is being in NXIVM.

AnonyMaker
AnonyMaker
4 years ago
Reply to  AnonyMaker

If she was coaching at NXIVM events in 2015, then that would put the lie to her 2018 claim of not having been involved for about 5 years (i.e., since approximately 2013). It sounds like you know what you’re talking about, though it would be good to see more specifics of places and dates, and as much corroboration as possible.

I actually know NXIVM through some sort of private coaching that some of those involved did, so to me coaching is a term more or less the same as any sort of life or professional coaching, and that could easily extend to something not done under NXIVM’s aegis. If it specifically means coaching at a NXIVM event, then that’s different.

“Kook”
“Kook”
4 years ago
Reply to  AnonyMaker

She was coaching with Lucas in 2015.

Scott Johnson
4 years ago
Reply to  AnonyMaker

Then get Lucas on here and get him to vouch for that.

dianne Lipson
dianne Lipson
4 years ago

IIRC, didn’t someone say that Keith jokingly mock cried, when he heard about Barbara Jeske’s terminal illness- This utterly inappropriate reaction by Kieth, tends to support Heidi’s version of things.

Wasn’t there also something early in the NXIVM training, where the students were asked to imagine what benefit they would experience, if their romantic partner were to die-

Heidi
Heidi
4 years ago
Reply to  dianne Lipson

There’s also a “Suicide Module,” Dianne — that’s the actual title — a course they unapologetically kept in the NX program despite Gina’s death and Kristin Snyder’s disappearance. Gina helped develop, wrote up some of those “Rational Inquiry” modules with her NX “friends” in the late ‘90’s through her death — when she and I were unwittingly made part of their gaslighting, mind control experiments.

Btw, is the little “d” in your handle intentional- Thank you for your excellent reporting on the trial. What’s up with the apparent all-media kabosh on the transcripts-

chickyrogue
chickyrogue
4 years ago

StroppyMe’s Vid gives your article a nice feature as thumbnail and a sweet shoutout to the frank report minute 11:36 its worth checking out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch-v=i262f3s7yz4

PS Heidi you are a good sister and tenacious as hell

Heidi
Heidi
4 years ago
Reply to  chickyrogue

I am an admirer of yours too, Chicky.

chickyrogue
chickyrogue
4 years ago
Reply to  Heidi

WOW TY ;0 <===go ahead make my day !!

g
g
4 years ago

Barb doesn’t like being criticized though she has shown she likes the limelight.

Heidi
Heidi
4 years ago
Reply to  g

No one likes been criticized —especially not in the manner some like to do it — but it’s just par for the course when one seeks the limelight. NX well exploits certain weaknesses, too. I really love Barbra for her many positive attributes but they planted “emotional triggers” in the heads of some key people and I’m not talking about CIA implants – I’m talking about exacerbating fears of being shunned, for example, or of being seen as a traitor etc.

Lots of studies prove people behave the way they are EXPECTED to behave and KAR repeatedly remarked on Barb’s loyalty, had her vying for it constantly said she’d be the one to “go down with the ship and for the truth” — yeah, the “truth” as in what they displayed for her to tell and stick to now that the ship is sinking. Hopefully.

Susan Dones, if you’re reading this please contact the FBI with your original videotapes. Barb did honestly say hers was only a copy and doesn’t seem they have it.

I agree with you Heidi
I agree with you Heidi
4 years ago

Heidi,
I’m so sorry regarding the loss of your sister. I was in what was called ESP in 2002 but I never met her.

I do remember hearing of a young woman who had committed suicide near Woodstock NY that some members knew.

Lauren Salzman was head training an intensive I was at during this time. She had mentioned it to me. I found it odd that she was so matter of fact about the loss and seemed devoid of an emotional reaction.

I checked in with her a few time and finally, she put my concern back on me as a “projection” of my own resolved issues around loss and grief. Later that day Barbara Jeske showed up attempting to sell me more course work due to.my issues around this girl’s suicide.

In retrospect, I think they were attempting to get me to stop talking about it.

I think you’re spot on regarding Barbara Bouchey being set up. In reading other parts of her stories, it appears Raniere and Salzman had managed to pull the wool tightly over her eyes for many years. It’s very clear they used her for their patsey to cover up their unacceptable behavior.

How Bouchey played along with Raniere’s scam for ten years is beyond me. Losing my life savings would have been the end of any relationship for me.

I left after that intensive, there were too many red flags for me to stick around.

Heidi
Heidi
4 years ago

Thank you for this valuable info. So glad you didn’t take Jeske up on that and ran! It’s complicated to explain but I am not at all surprised to hear Lauren was so matter of fact, either. Keith and others — some of whom shall n’er be named on FR — were handling the suicides the same way they handled the statutory rapes — teaching that there are situations where it’s the “ethical” thing to do. That it’s only bad because of how it’s looked upon, etc. I believe some ex or current NXIANS and ESPIANS are unknowingly at high risk of suicide in part bc of this “programming” and I firmly believe Keith & Salzman wanted to package, own or sell his “successful” suicide formula as a useful tool among their Mexican cartel cohorts.

J. Lanzke
J. Lanzke
4 years ago

In NXIVM and its actors there were enough lies and deceptions and they were used
purposefully. That must be clear to everyone at least now. If some still believe that
what they have seen and heard is true, and still have no doubts about what they have
experienced, then people are cheating themselves. Everyone should go into himself
and ask themselves whether it was not different after all. But that presupposes
overcoming. Nobody wants to be the deceived one, and nobody wants to admit himself
how far one was deceived.

AnonyMaker
AnonyMaker
4 years ago

Heidi, thanks for this. I appreciate your inviting Barb to try to reconcile your differing experiences and recollections, in search of the truth.

Reading a couple of things like this recently, I’m starting to wonder if Raniere’s long walks weren’t to ponder his Machiavellian maneuvering, such as manipulating people with what they were or weren’t exposed to, more than to muse about his philosophy.

Scott Johnson
4 years ago
Reply to  AnonyMaker

Raniere had lots of time to plan his manipulations. That was what he did with a lot of his time.

Heidi
Heidi
4 years ago
Reply to  AnonyMaker

Yup. On the nose as usual, Anony.

niceguy
niceguy
4 years ago

Heidi,

I am so sorry for your sister and you to have ever come in contact with such evil people. If there is a hell they deserve to burn in it.

I am glad you chose to share this additional information. People should know how dark Keith Raniere and his inner harem are.

Heidi
Heidi
4 years ago
Reply to  niceguy

Thanks, Niceguy. Yes, it’s very difficult to get any light into those darkest corners of NX in part bc some who were and are there for so long are in dire fear of exposure on all sides — the law, the public and media and the shadier elements NX is involved with…

Yolanda Cortez
Yolanda Cortez
4 years ago

Keith loves Gina and she lives in a higher plane because of him.

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/from-smallville-to-a-sex-cult-the-fall-of-actress-allison-mack/ar-AABifXp?li=AAnZ9Ug&ocid=mailsignout

“Around 2013, Ms. Kreuk left Nxivm and maintained only “minimum contact” with those still involved, according to a statement she posted last year on Twitter.”

Wrong. She did not stop coaching after 2013. She was in Toronto filming a television show up until the end of 2015. Not being in the same location is not “minimal contact”.

“Her manager did not respond to requests for comment.”

Wonder why…

dianne Lipson
dianne Lipson
4 years ago

IIRC, didn’t someone say that Keith jokingly mock cried, when he heard about Barbara Jeske’s terminal illness? This utterly inappropriate reaction by Kieth, tends to support Heidi’s version of things.

Wasn’t there also something early in the NXIVM training, where the students were asked to imagine what benefit they would experience, if their romantic partner were to die?

Heidi
Heidi
4 years ago
Reply to  dianne Lipson

There’s also a “Suicide Module,” Dianne — that’s the actual title — a course they unapologetically kept in the NX program despite Gina’s death and Kristin Snyder’s disappearance. Gina helped develop, wrote up some of those “Rational Inquiry” modules with her NX “friends” in the late ‘90’s through her death — when she and I were unwittingly made part of their gaslighting, mind control experiments.

Btw, is the little “d” in your handle intentional? Thank you for your excellent reporting on the trial. What’s up with the apparent all-media kabosh on the transcripts?

chickyrogue
chickyrogue
4 years ago

StroppyMe’s Vid gives your article a nice feature as thumbnail and a sweet shoutout to the frank report minute 11:36 its worth checking out:

PS Heidi you are a good sister and tenacious as hell

g
g
4 years ago

Barb doesn’t like being criticized though she has shown she likes the limelight.

I agree with you Heidi
I agree with you Heidi
4 years ago

Heidi,
I’m so sorry regarding the loss of your sister. I was in what was called ESP in 2002 but I never met her.

I do remember hearing of a young woman who had committed suicide near Woodstock NY that some members knew.

Lauren Salzman was head training an intensive I was at during this time. She had mentioned it to me. I found it odd that she was so matter of fact about the loss and seemed devoid of an emotional reaction.

I checked in with her a few time and finally, she put my concern back on me as a “projection” of my own resolved issues around loss and grief. Later that day Barbara Jeske showed up attempting to sell me more course work due to.my issues around this girl’s suicide.

In retrospect, I think they were attempting to get me to stop talking about it.

I think you’re spot on regarding Barbara Bouchey being set up. In reading other parts of her stories, it appears Raniere and Salzman had managed to pull the wool tightly over her eyes for many years. It’s very clear they used her for their patsey to cover up their unacceptable behavior.

How Bouchey played along with Raniere’s scam for ten years is beyond me. Losing my life savings would have been the end of any relationship for me.

I left after that intensive, there were too many red flags for me to stick around.

Heidi
Heidi
4 years ago

Thank you for this valuable info. So glad you didn’t take Jeske up on that and ran! It’s complicated to explain but I am not at all surprised to hear Lauren was so matter of fact, either. Keith and others — some of whom shall n’er be named on FR — were handling the suicides the same way they handled the statutory rapes — teaching that there are situations where it’s the “ethical” thing to do. That it’s only bad because of how it’s looked upon, etc. I believe some ex or current NXIANS and ESPIANS are unknowingly at high risk of suicide in part bc of this “programming” and I firmly believe Keith & Salzman wanted to package, own or sell his “successful” suicide formula as a useful tool among their Mexican cartel cohorts.

J. Lanzke
J. Lanzke
4 years ago

In NXIVM and its actors there were enough lies and deceptions and they were used
purposefully. That must be clear to everyone at least now. If some still believe that
what they have seen and heard is true, and still have no doubts about what they have
experienced, then people are cheating themselves. Everyone should go into himself
and ask themselves whether it was not different after all. But that presupposes
overcoming. Nobody wants to be the deceived one, and nobody wants to admit himself
how far one was deceived.

AnonyMaker
AnonyMaker
4 years ago

Heidi, thanks for this. I appreciate your inviting Barb to try to reconcile your differing experiences and recollections, in search of the truth.

Reading a couple of things like this recently, I’m starting to wonder if Raniere’s long walks weren’t to ponder his Machiavellian maneuvering, such as manipulating people with what they were or weren’t exposed to, more than to muse about his philosophy.

Scott Johnson
4 years ago
Reply to  AnonyMaker

Raniere had lots of time to plan his manipulations. That was what he did with a lot of his time.

niceguy
niceguy
4 years ago

Heidi,

I am so sorry for your sister and you to have ever come in contact with such evil people. If there is a hell they deserve to burn in it.

I am glad you chose to share this additional information. People should know how dark Keith Raniere and his inner harem are.

About the Author

Frank Parlato is an investigative journalist.

His work has been cited in hundreds of news outlets, like The New York Times, The Daily Mail, VICE News, CBS News, Fox News, New York Post, New York Daily News, Oxygen, Rolling Stone, People Magazine, The Sun, The Times of London, CBS Inside Edition, among many others in all five continents.

His work to expose and take down NXIVM is featured in books like “Captive” by Catherine Oxenberg, “Scarred” by Sarah Edmonson, “The Program” by Toni Natalie, and “NXIVM. La Secta Que Sedujo al Poder en México” by Juan Alberto Vasquez.

Parlato has been prominently featured on HBO’s docuseries “The Vow” and was the lead investigator and coordinating producer for Investigation Discovery’s “The Lost Women of NXIVM.” Parlato was also credited in the Starz docuseries "Seduced" for saving 'slave' women from being branded and escaping the sex-slave cult known as DOS.

Additionally, Parlato’s coverage of the group OneTaste, starting in 2018, helped spark an FBI investigation, which led to indictments of two of its leaders in 2023.

Parlato appeared on the Nancy Grace Show, Beyond the Headlines with Gretchen Carlson, Dr. Oz, American Greed, Dateline NBC, and NBC Nightly News with Lester Holt, where Parlato conducted the first-ever interview with Keith Raniere after his arrest. This was ironic, as many credit Parlato as one of the primary architects of his arrest and the cratering of the cult he founded.

Parlato is a consulting producer and appears in TNT's The Heiress and the Sex Cult, which premiered on May 22, 2022. Most recently, he consulted and appeared on Tubi's "Branded and Brainwashed: Inside NXIVM," which aired January, 2023.

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