Guest View: By A Defender of Allison
Bravo Frank…The level of your Frank Report is really really high by posting this story by Shadow State: Shadow: Was Allison Mack a victim when she ruled female slaves?
It’s so funny to read this loser Shadow State write and, of course, as always, add an extra layer of BS on Allison’s side of the story.
“Allison might get 36 months.
Her victims will be scarred physically and psychologically for life”
Why is it said only for Allison?
First off, it’s Keith Raniere who scarred those victims. The worst that Allison did (and that’s from the court document) is to retain collateral.
She didn’t even threaten them with physical violence or anything!
Lauren Salzman did worse than Allison but Shadow doesn’t provide that extra info. Some people might believe Shadow that you are biased…. Oh wait, you are!
You are so obsessed with Allison Mack that you continue to repeat the same lies and it’s really getting old there!
Allison is a victim… a victim of Nxivm and, worse yet, a victim of your obsession!
Give her a rest. She’ll never care for a nobody like you and that’s normal! Who would want a guy like you?
As for the rest of your stupid allegations:
-Orgies… proof? None. It’s only a sick allegation that Frank made based on ”a source”.
As far as we know, Allison was not even in bed with Raniere until a LONG time passed and that is a fact!
-Branding… It’s not her job. She didn’t create this, she wasn’t the one marking and that is clearly known by the court. They never say, “she created” because they know it’s Raniere!
She “supervised”, as much as Lauren or any other did who were at the branding ceremony. But of course, for you, it’s only about Allison.
-Use slave as her own sex toys… That’s your sick mind. Nobody has ever talked about this, only you and Frank made this story for your sick perverted fantasies. I already told you: keep that for yourself!
-Paddling… There is a mention of it in the case but no victims.
As far as what has been REALLY said, the caging and paddling were only applied to punish Allison if the slave refused to obey.
It’s Allison that was witnessed to be caged… moron!
She didn’t abuse India… Stop believing the word of fiction coming from the mouth of Catherine Oxenberg. She didn’t have contact with her daughter when she wrote the book.
BTW, I remind you that technically, India was CC2 [Co-Conspirator #2 in the original criminal complaint against Raniere].
I love India and I wish her good, but I need to make this clear so you stop using her as a bait for your sick agenda.
As much as India is considered a victim (and considered by a lot [including me] as brainwashed), so was the same for Allison.
Worse, Allison was groomed and abused WAY longer than India!
God knows how many EM [Exploration of Meanings, a Nxivm ‘therapy’ session] and other stupid programs they used to abuse her.
The crazy thing in this case is that everyone who got less abuse than Allison will get an “ooooh pooor thing”, but when it’s about Allison –“Burn the witch.”
If that’s not a double standard, I don’t know what is.
Oh and indeed she was a victim for the last one. But, of course, for your sick twisted mind, she was consenting to this.
The only “fact” you posted was the one about collecting the collateral. The rest is just BS, inventions of yours or stories.
But nothing surprising coming from a clown like you.
“The worst that Allison did (and that’s from the court document) is to retain collateral.”
What you call collateral is actually blackmail material which is in and of itself illegal.
Your girlfriend Allison Mack is a blackmailer.
“She didn’t even threaten them with physical violence or anything!”
The women know Allison Mack has the blackmail material.
She doesn’t have to threaten them.
“Allison is a victim… a victim of Nxivm and, worse yet, a victim of your obsession!”
Playing the victim card are we?
Allison Mack chose of her own free will to collect blackmail material.
No where in your rant do I witness any concern for the women hurt by Allison Mack.
” She’ll never care for a nobody like you and that’s normal! Who would want a guy like you?”
Did Allison Mack care for her nephews when she falsely claimed that they were sexually molested?
If that is an example of Allison Mack caring for someone, then I don’t want her to care for me.
Allison Mack is a dangerous woman to everyone around her.
“Branding… It’s not her job. She didn’t create this, she wasn’t the one marking and that is clearly known by the court. They never say, “she created” because they know it’s Raniere!”
Allison Mack directed and supervised the branding..
No where is there any evidence that Allison Mack objected to the branding which was under her command.
-“Use slave as her own sex toys… That’s your sick mind. Nobody has ever talked about this, only you and Frank made this story for your sick perverted fantasies. I already told you: keep that for yourself!”
Blame the people who tell the truth.
“She didn’t abuse India… Stop believing the word of fiction coming from the mouth of Catherine Oxenberg. She didn’t have contact with her daughter when she wrote the book.”
Catherine Oxenberg lived for a time in NXIVM Village with her daughter and witnessed Allison Pimp Mack in action.
And how dare a mother care for the well being of her own daughter.
“Worse, Allison was groomed and abused WAY longer than India!”
Allison Mack is a grown woman who ought to start acting like an adult.
“God knows how many EM [Exploration of Meanings, a Nxivm ‘therapy’ session] and other stupid programs they used to abuse her.”
Did everyone who received EMs become a pimp like Allison Mack?
“But nothing surprising coming from a clown like you.”
There is nothing funny about NXIVM and Allison Mack.
An upper class woman who should have known better acted like a savage and dehumanized her fellow women.
Females being spared from criticism because they have vaginas. Allison Mack is a piece of shit, as are her weak vermin defenders. Nobody defends the Mexifags Salinas and Benecourt because they are males. They’re ALL cunts.
A find it interesting that Anonyme* likes to dismiss others’ takes on the story and what few facts and insider accounts we do have – including Frank’s sources, which have often proved reliable – and yet seems to have no actual knowledge other than from cultish devotion to following Mack’s fan blogs.
For instance, how can what’s in Catherine Oxenberg’s book be so readily dismissed? Are we to think she made a claim about Allison’s actions that could have subjected her to libel charges – a favorite veiled threat of Anonyme – without having some factual basis, such as insider sources? It’s actually a typical tactic of cults or high control groups to go after authors and books by suing them under strict UK libel laws, and sometimes publishers wont even distribute books there that they don’t think could stand up to a challenge – but I see that the book is in fact for sale there:
* If I have the correct one of the various ESL anons, this is one that has actually sometimes recently fallen into specifically French, rather than Spanish, usage, though it was initially hard to tell as both are Latin languages whose native speakers are prone to similar mistakes in English. Thus I’m referring to them by the French Anonyme.
I’m not anything close to the linguist you are Anony but I thought I heard a French accent, too, as I was reading.
I’ve heard “French” a few times before with some of the Allison apologist posts. (Although it’s far more likely for a Nexian to be Mexican. …Agree, too, this poster may not be a former Nexian, simply a French fan of Mack’s. But let’s not forget Sara Bronfman and Basit Igtet are allegedly in France.)
I agree with some (not all) of what “Frenchie” (if I may call you Frenchie?) has to say about Allison in any language. Allison IS surely a victim. She was ruthlessly targeted, recruited, groomed, conditioned daily, nightly, mercilessly to do what she has admitted to and worse.
But just as it is said that the oppressed often become the worst oppressors, and the abused become abusers as a matter of natural course, perhaps it could also be said “victims” become “victimizers”?
I would think that’s especially the case here when the outright goal of the “grandmaster” (Keith Alan Raniere) and other “masters” in the top tier of NX is specifically to create slaves who can recruit and master others slaves in this ludicrous human pyramid scheme.
Merci’ or Gracias for a good, more balanced view of Allison, Frenchie. 😀
Close enough…But that doesn’t mean I don’t have the knowledge…
I never was in Nxivm nor one of Allison’s fan but was close enough to know a LOT.
“I agree with some (not all) of what “Frenchie” (if I may call you Frenchie?) has to say about Allison in any language. Allison IS surely a victim. She was ruthlessly targeted, recruited, groomed, conditioned daily, nightly, mercilessly to do what she has admitted to and worse.
But just as it is said that the oppressed often become the worst oppressors, and the abused become abusers as a matter of natural course, perhaps it could also be said “victims” become “victimizers”? ”
Are you serious!?
How could she be the worst oppressor?
Was she physically violent? no Was she really behind the branding (concept or doing the branding) ? no
She was collecting collateral and giving orders that she was receiving.
It’s already bad enough like it is. Let’s stick to the facts please!
Everyone accepts that the collateral the victims gave was enough to convince them to do a lot!
Allison had to give them WAY before DOS started! Anyone who met her before DOS knew that she was already stuck and in distress.
Allison was not an Elite of Nxivm, she wasn’t respected nor she was the leader of anything…(anonymaker (of lies),no, she was clearly said to be an underdog in DOS (i expect you to say she was the leader there)…The leader is one of the Jane Doe (see the court document)
The only “positive” thing she ever got was “the source” and she was just labelled as the head but was not.
Worst, Raniere twisted this for his own pleasure and she lost her project.
What’s “close enough”? The only hints you’ve dropped so far, seem to be based on Mack’s blogs and interviews with some of those around her – the basic grist of fans. And you appear to have initially not understood where her first long-term boyfriend and fiancee Pete fit in her life.
All sorts of people post as Anonymous, and you’ve been singled out here because you seem to want to carve out a sort of authority for yourself, and yet the only way we can try to individually identify you for purposes of discussion is by your somewhat fractured English. You could at least use a distinct moniker, or sign your posts in a distinctive way.
If it helps you to sleep better…imagine whatever you want.
The fact is you blow BS based on Nothing…even if it was based on her blog, it’s more factual than a fantasy story you made up out of nowhere!
???wait what? carve out a sort of authority for yourself? why because i state fact ? you Don’t like facts, do you?
Use a distinct moniker…such as Anonymaker? i Don’t have to use any moniker or give anymore information about where/who i am.
Especially not on a website full of enraged people who seek blind justice without trying to know the fact.
When i’m the one who answer to you, you seem to be quite able to recognize my “fractured English”, that should be enough for you!
“For instance, how can what’s in Catherine Oxenberg’s book be so readily dismissed?”
-She was not in contact with her daughter when she wrote the book
-She tries to divert the responsibility on someone else when SHE is the one who made her daughter join Nxivm
She also (from the word of Casper’s kid) tried to push others to join Nxivm
-She clearly was supporting Nxivm longer than she pretends …She posted a Tweet to Vany Huber saying that she trusted her to take care of India (during a V Week)
I think this tweet was around a year after she “left”.
There are many unsubstantiated misnomers and lies in this Anon comment ^ ^ April 27, 12:50 AM.
[Is that you, Frenchie? You can at least be honest about your Nationality – have some National pride. Or maybe you’re just a word salad, Rainbow Vulture Gardens victim? A former student — and you’re kinda in between Nations and languages?].
Catherine Oxenberg never “made” India join NX nor “pushed” others to join. Who? Name a single Oxenberg recruit.
It’s very clear from the facts — in Catherine’s book and elsewhere — India was impressed with and wanted to get involved more and more with NX from the start (as she was more and more brainwashed, in fact) whereas Catherine was NOT initially impressed, lost interest fast and pulled away.
India may have even been rebelling a bit from her Mom, liked “doing her own thing” with NX. Maybe if Catherine had “pushed” India in NX, as you falsely claim, India would have lost interest not vice-versa. That’s more usual and natural, and probably closer to what really happened.
Catherine only wanted to support India in her choices, IMO — until she discovered the shocking truth about NXIVM and Keith Raniere — that few knew of and has yet to be fully revealed.
With all due respects, i don’t have to be honest about my nationality, i didn’t hide it at first nor lied about it. And it’s nobody’s problem!
How is it gonna change anything about what i said whether i’m canadian, french or mexican as some people pretend…
Your analyze of my position couldn’t more wrong but whatever…
Who brought her daughter to Nxivm? how wrong am i when she admit that part!?
Contrary to Allison who joined before some of the article against Nxivm, Cat could have searched about it!
It wasn’t 2000 or the 90’s…it was 2011 and internet was available for a vast majority (she had a twitter, so she know).
A simple search could have EASILY triggered Cat’s alarm yet…she let her daughter continue.
I didn’t say that India didn’t wanted to stay…I said that cat pretend that she didn’t support nxivm YET
-She was posting a year after (alledgly) leaving a tweet to Vany Huber saying that she trust her for taking care of India.
-Casper’s kids said that she tried to convince them to join Nxivm. I can’t be clearer that Casper’s kids…I didn’t made the allegation (contrary to what you pretend) without citing a source.
That’s hardly the sign of someone who didn’t support Nxivm.
I agree that ,at first, she was supporting India’s choice (not knowing the details) but after that, she tried to divert the attention on someone else instead of accepting her part of responsability.
She sees the red light but instead of “saving” her daughter before it was too late, she let her daughter get deeper in this whole thing.
Any sane person going to something that smell that fishy with their kids would NOT leave them there…
If India hadn’t be removed from the case , she could have been in Allison’s position. Thankfully, they dropped her case but it’s certainly not because of cat.
And i maintain, India said that she didn’t try to contact her.The only person who tried was her Grandmother.
Everything seem to change for India (change of heart, i mean) when she was contacted by her grandmother.
You can turn it the way you want, Catherine wasn’t there when India needed the most and this whole “i try to save my daughter” is nothing (except, maybe, an excuse to write a book). She had a lot of opportunities to see what was wrong but prefered to ignore this.
And what is sick is to read people saying “she saved” her daughter (she brought her daughter to the slaughterhouse in the first place) while in reality it’s her friends, her boyfriend and especially her Grandmother (she really seem to be the trigger in the wake up call).
I think the Anon Allison defender with the poor writing skills might be one of her long-time fans goes by name B—–X.
As for naming a single CatO recruit, she says in her own book that she recruited her then-husband, Casper Van Dien, and her two step kids, Grace and Cappy, when they were only 13 and 16 and was given the “Best Recruiter” award during her introductory class. Not sure why Catherine thought signing up a 13 and 16 year old for ESP was even appropriate. Also, if you believe the two people who posted on here, one claiming to be Cappy, CatO forced her step kids to use all their inheritance on ESP. Seems like she also tried or may have recruited her former friend, Gabrielle Anwar.
Also, I don’t think 3-4 years of taking NXIVM modules in 3 different countries is losing “interest fast.” If you only listen to Catherine’s interviews, you’d be under the impression that she only brought India to the initial meeting, thought the group was weird and bailed, but even before her book came out, it was obvious from following her on Twitter that she was more involved with the group than that. And according to her own book, she took intensives in Vancouver and Mexico and flew to Albany for private EMs with Nancy and other courses from 2011-2014
By her own admission, CO knew about Keith’s rape and pedophilia back in 2013/2014. She wisely chose to leave but unfortunately left India behind with the monster. Why she wasn’t alarmed back then is something maybe you or Frank can ask her.
I believe Allisons Mack has a strong desire to serve humanity, and a desire to perfect herself in the process. They are both noble goals that were waylaid by the revealing of the sexual practices of an unworthy teacher. God, I feel so sorry for her. There but for the grace of god…
Poor little victim Mack. How could she possibly know it’s illegal to blackmail somebody?
“I believe Allisons Mack has a strong desire to serve humanity, and a desire to perfect herself in the process.”
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Both Mack and Kook deserve to die in prison, but niether will do a day thanks to our system of justice for the rich.
That’s a little over the top…
What crimes have you judged KK guilty of that deserves life (and death) in prison?
Do you have secret knowledge of her heinous crimes, or are you just being a tough guy?
Look needs to find Jesus and confess her sins to anyone who will listen.
Snorlax, you triggered the halal pork chop… https://mobile.twitter.com/SultanOfSix/status/1121900508443111424
Go away you imbecilic autistic worthless c***.
your equal, with that avatar that you have, it is clear to me that you are a megalomaniac sociopath.
Yes, I stopped reading anything by Shadow State because it’s too vicious and just Never Seems To Stop!
In fact, I’d decided to stop coming to the blog a few days ago but clicked once today from boredom.
Earlier posts by Frank detailed how Allison was pursued and groomed. They apparently flew her across country to be closer to Raniere. Lauren was alleged her “caregiver”. Allison was described as being groomed and fostered in every way.
Why? Because some acting role she did apparently conformed with an agenda to “promote Keith Raniere” as one of the smartest men in the world: A secret mental superman!
So how natural they would want Allison as a Chloe type to be around him, attract attention to him and his work, and to possibly promote Keith Raniere to the generation that watched Smallville.
Having been in a cult and having studied in great depth the effect of cult grooming methods, I am far more willing to give Allison the benefit of the doubt. All the women in this case were victims of the social engineering methods used, whether they admit it or not.
I know Frank has to keep the clicks coming. But let it go! There is zero pleasure or joy in reading an unrelenting character attack on a foolish but well-meaning actress. There is nothing to learn. There is nothing to be gained. It’s a waist to time that makes you feel like crap for the rest of your day!
If people abandon this blog, it’s not for lack of interest in the subject of Nxivm.
Your spot on with your following statement:
” All the women in this case were victims of the social engineering methods used, whether they admit it or not”.
People have a evolved to be socially pliable to be able to work in groups.
Humans are not the most successful species on earth solely because of are intelligence, but rather are ability to work intelligently in groups.
Cults and Cult leaders like Nxivm and Raniere manipulate human social engineering.
Anonymous you hit the nail on the head. Cults.
Nxivm basically addressed all of Maslow’s
Hierarchy of Needs.
It’s not “social engineering,” it’s lying and manipulation.
Thanks for this. I agree that the constant vilifying and trashing of Allison Mack in article after article after article is over the top and out of control. Why some here choose not to focus more on Raniere, the driving force behind all these people’s downfalls, escapes me. While not blameless, I don’t think a single one of them would have gone on to criminal enterprise had they not met him. Certainly not Mack.
There seems to be a real desire to especially trash Allison Mack and Kristen Kreuk. Why? Because they’re actresses with a modicum of name recognition? Their actions, when viewed in the context of those done by others, do not seem to be the most heinous – not by a long shot.
Mack wasn’t foolish, she was criminal. She said so herself. I don’t let anybody make me feel like anything, that’s my decision.
“Yes, I stopped reading anything by Shadow State because it’s too vicious and just Never Seems To Stop!”
The truth about Allison Mack is vicious.
Not all devils come with horns and a tail.
there are also some who dedicate themselves to casting their hatred at an actress much younger than him, with whom the demon in question JURA is not obsequious while curiously the soft as silk with the true demon that deceived and manipulated all the others .
Mack is an interesting case. I followed her blog for a while, she had some interesting things to say about acting and her venture into directing, plus she had a curiosity about “philosophical” deepity. Seemed like a smart person who regretted never having gone beyond high school, a curious mind. And then there was that bizarre stuff about NXIUM, JNESS, and about her mentor and guru Keith. She even did an online book club. The book was called “Shantaram” (it took me days to dredge up the title of that book from memory) and it’s godawful. I’m willing to bet it was suggested to her by Raniere. It’s precisely the kind of book a person who would join a cult would read.
So from having read her blog and sampling her taste in (ahem) literature, here’s my half-assed take on Allison Mack. She seems extremely naive, a bit insecure (aren’t we all) and eager for a shortcut to Life Wisdom. Capable and quite smart. And she really, really liked a book written by a guy who is plainly a boastful liar. Did I mention she seems terribly naive?
So yes, I’d say she’s a victim. Kind of. She was manipulated by Raniere, obviously. But she let herself be manipulated. We’re all responsible for our actions even though the things we do are seldom entirely of our own making. She was an adult when she began her involvement in this NXIUM scheme, recruiting people into something that looked like a pyramid scheme and a self-improvement racket. She wasn’t forced into it by economic necessity, she had a successful TV career, 10 straight years with a network show. So if she was a victim, she was also happily victimizing others, enthusiastically recruiting people into the racket.
Little warning bells ought to have been going off in her head. She thought ESP was helping her career. Why? Her acting career stalled, predictably, after Smallville ended. She was making money I presume, profiting from her work for NXIUM. She had made a deal with the devil, and was quite happy with it. Hardly a victim.
When she was first getting involved with the cult, people warned her. Pointed her to the evidence. She chose to ignore it. Victim? hardly.
When the branding of women and the blackmailing of DOS members began, the alarm bells should have been deafening. She was a perpetrator by then. Fleeing across the Mexican border to avoid arrest. Victim? Not a bit of it.
Well, she’s a criminal now, by her own admission. Odd as it sounds, it seems her descent from well-meaning naif to felon snuck up on her bit by bit. That’s why I find her such an interesting case.
Mack is a spoiled actress and criminal. Case closed.
Hearing this is absolute proof everyone was victimized. Each trying Not to be responsible for a friend being hurt, somehow thinking they could help prevent anothers punishment, each making sacrifices while this POS gets to live, I hope he gets the chair!
If the judge had a shred of decency, he should be compelled to take Clare & Sarah & Nancy’s money and immediately turn it over to ALL the Albany DOS victims excluding Lauren lifetime Saltzman. That loss would STOP them in their manipulative tracks.
This level of manipulation is truly beyond comprehension.
This article actually seems authentic. Thanks for sharing!
“This article actually seems authentic.’
Weren’t Allison Mack and Keith Raniere always talking about authenticity?
I believe that Allison Mack should be punished.
However, I do not believe Allison Mack should be persecuted.
Well done, Frank. We actually got to hear from someone who has some experience with the cult and was willing to share some information.
At the expense of YOUR credibility, maybe keep letting shadow post lies, fiction, and hate. It could continue to prompt people who are not full of shit to post.
The writer never said they were in NXIVM.
Frank doesn’t have to worry about his credibility, as Mr. Shadow’s stories, or any story not written by Frank, is essentially a “letter to the editor.” Frank just publishes it for clicks, and there’s nothing wrong with that.
We don’t know enough to know whether Mr.Shadow or this “Defender of Allison” is closer to what really happened.
It’s just entertainment, get a grip. LOL
I feel like you do, but at the same time we should all remember how successful Frank Parlato has been at bringing the truth to light and Raniere to justice.
I do not like the parts but I am happy with the outcome, and the parts as a whole.
The outcome being justice.
And for the part where he say the Truth, i agree (and thank him…).
But Frank also made a LOT of false accusations…Both have to be taken in account.
He also posted TONS of allegations made by (excuse me) Fruitloops…Ben szemkus anyone?
Not everything should be tolerate for better good. If we go by this, Nancy should be out and rewarded because she did good for a couple of people.
Frank is interested by clicks…not the Truth
He published my comment for 1 reason: clicks!
Anything about Allison is gathering views and that is all he care about.
The Truth might have been an interest of his at first but now, it’s commercial and that’s it
You are completely wrong. Frank published Ben’s story to see if anyone else would come forward to confirm the specifics, if not the general circumstances. It has been confirmed NXIVM was prowling Yale and other universities.
…Not surprised you support this part as you brought it at first…
Frank knew VERY WELL that many things didn’t fit.It was a slow period and anything to fill the gap left (by the lack of info) was good enough to post.
All i have to prove it is to point that he is continuously posting Shadowboy (while enabling him) and at the same time posting me (and others).
I doubt Frank is making more than 2 cents of his website the Frankreport. I do not know much about Frank other than his interest in bringing some rather bad characters to justice and helping some innocent victims.
…Actually I take it back I do know one thing about Frank Parlato. He is one tenacious bastard!!!
He pointed himself that he had more than a million view (back when Raniere was arrested)…He had a continuous flow of activity up until he posted some shady stories (and shadow’s stories). So probably more than 2 cents…
He might have been interested in helping at one point but it’s not the case for a long time.
For the last line, i agree with that one easily.
Let’s be honest, i don’t like FRank a lot but that doesn’t mean i don’t recognize his qualities (especially when he sticks to the facts) but lately, you’ve seen yourself, he just look for clicks.
Good article. Mack certainly needs to do some hard time, but this shadow poser is a certified crackpot,
Anything written by shadow I try to ignore as I know it’s just a bunch of loon talk. That guy/girl/it sucks.