By Shadow State
All you NXIVM members who thought the Salzmans – Lauren and Nancy – were your friends and mentors are about to learn how devious criminals can be.
But you NXIVM members should have known that when you threw in your lot with a criminal gang in the first place. You NXIVM people forgot the old saying, “There is no honor among thieves.”
What stories will Lauren and Nancy have to tell about their former friends in NXIVM?
Get out your buttered popcorn.
What did NXIVM ever do but scheme to destroy innocent people through persecution and litigation? And to assist in its legal terrorism schemes, NXIVM was more than happy to corrupt local officials: police, prosecutors, lawyers and judges.
Who in their right mind would knowingly associate with the fiendish leaders of NXIVM? Only people equally fiendish. Every decent person who worked for NXIVM soon discovered the organization was run by sociopaths and left as soon as they could.
NXIVM is a terrorist gang engaged in slavery, sex trafficking, money laundering and extortion. Foolish NXIVM followers knowingly worshiped a lazy, sybaritic man who loved to molest children.
And Clare Bronfman and Allison Mack, women of fortune and fame, were overjoyed to help this troll of a man Keith Raniere steal girls’ childhoods from them.
Clare Bronfman thought that with her money she could buy NXIVM. Clare forgot that Nancy Salzman has a long long memory. Clare forgot that Nancy viewed NXIVM as her creation and that no interloper could steal Nancy’s show without dire consequences.
Allison Mack thought that she could curry favor with her Vanguard by pimping women and grooming girls for sex. Allison forgot that her rival for leadership of DOS, Lauren Salzman, not only has a long memory but also has a sharp stiletto to plunge into Allison’s back.
So much for the sisterhood of Jness.
Keith Raniere has been a dead man walking since he was arrested last year in Puerto Vallarta. The Vanguard can’t rescue his most servile servants, Clare and Allison.
Clare has grown up thinking that her money can buy everything but unlike the Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz she failed to buy a brain. Clare did not even buy common human decency. And in the Federal court system dealing with the FBI, Clare is about to discover how worthless her money really is.
And Allison, a self-absorbed woman who lacks any empathy for her fellow women, is about to discover how little empathy people have for her after her evil has been exposed.
Allison talked a good game about female empowerment but only delivered torture and slavery to her fellow women. On top of that Allison, working with the cruel Clare, groomed underage girls for sex with the Vanguard.
In this role, Allison and Clare replaced the immoral Pam Cafritz and Barb Jeske, both of whom died prematurely under mysterious circumstances.
Allison and Clare should have taken Pam and Barb’s premature deaths as an ill omen of their own futures.
As for the ambitious Federal prosecutors, they understand that wealthy heiress Clare and TV actress Allison are more attractive targets than Nancy and Lauren Who?.
Clare’s money and Allison’s fame will actually work against them. Clare thinks her money will shield her from prison. Allison thinks her fame will protect her from doing time.
Clare and Allison are like that old song title “What a Fool Believes.”
Well, here’s a new song title for Clare and Allison to ponder: “Nobody Mourns the Wicked.”
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I wonder if Shadowstate attended a comic con and Allison Mack was rude to him. Something does not add up.
Hi everybody,
Shadowstate has been so adamant about Allison Mack’s guilt I believed that new evidence had been obtained showing Mack’s complicity and cooperation with grooming young girls.
I apologize to Shadowstate but I cannot support such conjecture.
There is an incredible chasm between Allison Mack helping to exploit children and Allison Mack helping to exploit adults.
I apologize to Shadowstate but I cannot support publicly persecuting someone, even Allison Mack, with hearsay. Child molestation is the most heinous crime short of murder.
Page 30 of the government’s memo.
In contrast, here, the evidence relating to child exploitation and child pornography is direct evidence of the RICO conspiracy as against every defendant charged in the conspiracy, including Bronfman, Russell and Mack.
Page 29 of the government’s memo.
Although they repeatedly attempt to argue otherwise, Bronfman, Mack and Russell are each charged in an overarching RICO conspiracy involving
predicate acts of human trafficking, sex trafficking, and child exploitation, and the evidence regarding these offenses is admissible against them as proof of the enterprise and the pattern of racketeering charged in S-2. As set forth in its motions to admit enterprise evidence, see DE 414, 407, the government expects to admit evidence that the members of the charged enterprise recruited and groomed sexual partners for Raniere, both within and outside of
DOS, and were aware of and facilitated Raniere’s sexual relationship with underage victims.
https://frankreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Document-485-Prosecutions-Memorandum-Of-Law-In-Opposition-To-Defendants-Pre-Trial-Motions-03.29.2019.pdf
Niceguy, the government only presents evidence at trial.
Not in pretrial motions.
Shadowstate,
Why didn’t the evidence come out during discovery ?
The Feds have no obligation to present evidence until the trial.
The Feds are playing their cards very close to the vest because NXIVM has a long history of intimidating witnesses.
Thanks for your time !
you are wrong, it is more likely that prosecutors do not have direct evidence that links allison or katy russell with child abuse, as happened with the child pornography that KAR had and we must bear in mind that they only found that evidence of child pornography so you have to give some credit to KAR in it, I want to say is not as careless as it seems, so I do not think useful fools like allison and katy know about it I would bet mass for lauren, but what I want to say is that probably When dealing with a RICO case, the prosecutors are only trying to obtain the guilty agreements because if they do not show that allison and the other accused women knew and helped with KAR’s pedophilia it will be more difficult for them to catch KAR on all charges since the case RICO allows prosecutors to splatter all the defendants with charges that were only committed by one of the defendants, but if I understand the community they plan to prove this beyond reasonable doubt and it is very possible that the evidence will work against KAR but maybe not for more than one case or two in particular, so if they use what they can prove about the other defendants and pimping they can achieve the benefit of the jury, and this I say mainly because of being allison guilty of enabling the pedophilia of KAR it is very likely that they too are .nicki clyne and india and in that case they would not have forgiven it as politely as they did.
While I generally enjoy most of the articles on Frank Report, I have to say the writing by Shadow is so vitriolic and hateful
towards Ms. Mack, I now simply avoid the name and comments by Shadow whenever they come up.
It’s not that I have anything against Shadow, I just can’t be bothered ruining my day with unending sick, hateful opinions. We all know Mack was deliberately targeted, friended, seduced and used by the group. And Shadows incessant savage attacks, on her as yet unproven actions, just destroy any joy I feel when arriving at the blog to read and inform.
Shadow is generally pretty intelligent. Why can’t he/she/it/they spend time explaining where all the money went? You can’t “just loose 60 million” doing some bad trades and walk away from it. Did Mr Raniere promise to pay it back?
Does he owe someone the money he lost?
Would that explain the increase in alleged criminal behaviour in the timeline?
“We all know Mack was deliberately targeted, friended, seduced and used by the group. And Shadows incessant savage attacks, on her as yet unproven actions, just destroy any joy I feel when arriving at the blog to read and inform.”
News is not supposed to be joyful.
And the government has more than enough evidence to prove that Allison Mack is a PIMP who abused women.
“Shadow is generally pretty intelligent. Why can’t he/she/it/they spend time explaining where all the money went? You can’t “just loose 60 million” doing some bad trades and walk away from it. Did Mr Raniere promise to pay it back?”
I have already explained that most people who “invest” in the commodities market lose money.
Up to 90%.
On top of that Raniere is a huckster.
Since the commodities trades were over ten years ago the records probably no longer exist and if they do they are not available to the public.
Shadow’s possible human shortcomings aside, I think there’s now plenty of good evidence for the case that Mack was an eager participant and perpetrator, and not just a victim. For instance, isn’t it disturbing, if not outrageous, that Mack publicly took credit for the idea to mark 150 women in a painful and permanent way that can’t be undone? Allison fans and apologists are almost inevitably going to be disappointed in how this plays out.
And, yes, trading commodities, one can just lose $60 million, and pretty quickly too using options, which are essentially highly leveraged bets that can go totally bust. It’s possible that, as Frank suspected (and John P. Capitalist as well), Raniere or the commodity broker might have just siphoned some of the money off; but if Frank couldn’t readily find any evidence of that at this late date, no outside investigation likely would.
It would be interesting to see what could be found out about the Bronfmans’ property dealings in LA and the Albany area, though. There are other financial shenanigans that deserve to be exposed, as well. Among Scientology watchers, there are a couple of people who are very good at doing deep digs through data and sources, and turning up revealing things that sometimes even lead to action.
Aaron Levin-Smith is one of those people. He was hired by Bill Ackman to investigate Herbalife in China, and came up with some great information. It may have even led to the Herbalife CEO quitting earlier this year. Aaron was raised in Scientology and the spying skills that are interwoven into that organization come in very handy. He runs a company called On The Ground (OTG) Research Group: https://www.google.com/search?ei=irKnXOixCYWWsAXq6KGYCw&q=on+the+ground+research+group+aaron+levin-smith&oq=on+the+ground+research+group+aaron+levin-smith&gs_l=psy-ab.3…10154.15428..15656…0.0..0.235.1738.12j5j1……0….1..gws-wiz…….0i71j33i160j33i22i29i30j33i299.EssPt94sMXA He has not been on my radio show. Yet.
Shadow’s possible human shortcomings aside, I think there’s now plenty of good evidence for the case that Mack was an eager participant and perpetrator, and not just a victim. For instance, isn’t it disturbing, if not outrageous, that Mack publicly took credit for the idea to mark 150 women in a painful and permanent way that can’t be undone? Allison fans and apologists are almost inevitably going to be disappointed in how this plays out.
And, yes, trading commodities, one can just lose $60 million, and pretty quickly too using options, which are essentially highly leveraged bets that can go totally bust. It’s possible that, as Frank suspected (and John P. Capitalist as well), Raniere or the commodity broker might have just siphoned some of the money off; but if Frank couldn’t readily find any evidence of that, at this late date no outside investigation likely would.
It would be interesting to see what could be found out about the Bronfmans’ property dealings in LA and the Albany area, though. There are other financial shenanigans that deserve to be exposed, as well. Among Scientology watchers, there are a couple of people who are very good at doing deep digs through data and sources, and turning up revealing things that sometimes even lead to action.
Hi Allison, you know you’re going to jail forever, don’t you? And the people will laugh and laugh at you until they reflect on your monstrous crimes, then they will seethe with fury.
shadowstate1958 April 3, 2019 at 10:42 pm : I can believe that statement for 2 persons (especially since the case they planned to prosecute are from up to 2005…before Allison’s arrival in the cult)…If she Indeed was connected directly, they would press the charges.
You still judge without understanding what you read or (and especially) without any proves…
It’s a pretrial statement, not a proof.
They named the proves for Lauren and Kathy(description of the predicate acts)and there was nothing about Allison.
But for all we know, they could use the fact that Allison was knowing the victim from 2005 (one of the 2 sisters). That doesn’t mean she facilitated anything but she could have been aware of a case after it happened.
And since that victim was 15 in 2005, when Allison later entered the cult (2007) , the victim was around 18…It’s not a child exploitation anymore.
Also you didn’t use THAT info to push the fact that YOU BELIEVE that Allison is facilitating anything…like Always you use a most likely fake story (not corroborated by any other witness and that even Frank was not convinced about).
Until the trial, you still (you) don’t have a prove that Allison was connected to any of the child part. The prosecution still just make allegation at this level. And also, you still make my point…We have direct info about other members who DID facilitate the child abuse. Yet ,your hatred is exclusive to Allison! Explain why?
Lauren never got this kind of attention of you and she was WAY worst than Allison…She helped with the imprisoned victim (she even admitted it!).
And Don’t come with the silly “she was priviledged” because you have absolutely no idea how was her life…
Oh and to be honest, i still feel WAY more dirty “talking” to someone like you…I would try to explain but you ‘d never understand it.
I am all for dishing out justice when people truly deserve it. But, (and most of you are probably absolutely clueless of this) nobody lies more consistently than law enforcement (our corrupt legal system allows it, while it is illegal for you to lie to them). And most prosecutors don’t give a damn about real justice…only winning their cases. And, I’m pretty sure most everyone has learned how untrustworthy our news outlets are. It’s sad, but true. So unless there is overwhelming and undeniable EVIDENCE (law enforcement lies aren’t evidence), you should really keep all of your speculative, misinformed judgements to yourself. You could be easily supporting the unwarranted demonization of innocent people. Ignorant, judgemental jackasses do it all the time!
Someone,
I think you have the wrong website, black lives matter is “another 5 miles down the website road”.
Allison Mack thanks you for your support.
however, you have no answer for that truth shadow argument, you are hard on those who are already on the ground but have not had anything of value about KAR or Nancy and Lauren.
you have not had anything of value about KAR or Nancy and Lauren.
KAR is a dead man walking.
And I was the first person to argue that Nancy Salzman was the key figure to flip.
And I argued that Lauren Salzman was Allison Mack’s Partner in Crime which is why Allison only started thinking of a plea deal when Lauren flipped.
What stories can Lauren tell about Allison?
“nobody lies more consistently than law enforcement (our corrupt legal system allows it, ”
“most prosecutors don’t give a damn about real justice”
“everyone has learned how untrustworthy our news outlets are”
But Allison Mack is an innocent victim of a Witch Hunt, huh?
Forget the branding of women
Forget the sex trafficking
Forget the lies told to women of female empowerment.
Forget the collection of Blackmail.
Forget the extortion practiced against women.
Forget Allison Mack’s grooming of girls so the kids let down. their guard and let Raniere have sex with them.
Allison Mack is a vile, evil, wicked woman.
An abuser of her fellow women and an exploiter of children.
from fellows such as lauren, as nicky, as India, as nancy, as rose laura, as mariana (minor vitar of KAR – avatar baby mother), as the bronfman girls, the boone girls and many other more slaves of the haren KAR long before allison ah and forget how a pyramid scheme works because that’s how DOS worked
One wonders if Pam and Barb were “hurried” along in their death in order to gain unfettered access to their assets.
Sadly it all comes down to money and sex.
And just think of all of the money that was saved, not being spent on medical care.
I guess it’s possible their assets came into play. But I’d say Pam and Barb were “dismissed” cause they were too old and their replacements were awaitin. The bonus was that their death would eliminate their knowledge of “where the bodies were buried.”
Shadowstate,
I am glad that Raniere and company are being prosecuted. I just wish that the truth did not turn out to be so dark. I feel so sorry for those girls that were manipulated and abused. Like you, I honestly gave the woman involved with the exception of Nancy Salzman the benefit of the doubt.
I know Allison Mack is just B list actress at the end of the day. I just did not want to believe that she would aid and abet child abuse and child molestation.
These new revelations are so very dark. Keith Raniere is as evil as they come and Allison Mack has no defense or reasonable excuse for conspiring with Keith Raniere.
Niceguy:
When one talks about a 12 year old girl like Rhiannon was one is talking about a girl who might still be playing with dolls.
Even girls a little bit older are not mature enough to handle predatory adults.
Raniere’s followers talked about him mentoring girls.
It was really him exploiting girls.
Often girls exploited by creeps like Raniere, suffer from behavioral and psychological problems.
Their school work suffers and sadly many get involved in substance abuse.
Many prostitutes were victimized as children.
And boys can be the victims of sexual abuse too.
In my view the women who enabled Raniere are as guilty as he is.
Raniere had no end of grown women who would accommodate him sexually.
That was not enough for the Vanguard.
And many of these same grown women in love with Raniere were willing to degrade underage girls to satisfy Raniere’s desires.
As groomers these women put young girls at ease and cause the children to drop their guard.
And Keith Raniere walks in and has his way with the children.
Allison Mack, Clare Bronfman, Kathy Russell, Pam Cafritz and Barb Jeske are pied pipers who lead these girls astray.
I don’t want to hear how Allison Mack and Clare Bronfman are persecuted.
They are only reaping what they sowed.
I agree with you 100% Shadowstate!
Niceguy, with all due respect, you can’t post something, have Shadow reply to your post with a very opposite viewpoint, and reply to his post by saying you agree 100% with him.
I only say this because I agree with your first post way more than Shadow’s “copy & paste” / “easy take” angle.
NutJob,
I agree with you a 100% but I also disagree with 100%.
Nutjob,
You are right. shadow state but sometimes his writing is convoluted and confusing.
No offense shadowstate but this one is times that I do not agree with you fully
“So much fpr the sisterhood of Jness.”
Well said.
so very well said shadowstate CHILDREN <====12 is not appropriate {entitled behavior is ugly and preditory}
I know there are no excuses for the procuring of Allison and the other women, no matter what they believed about what they did, or if she was also a victim of the decadent manipulation in the ranks of NXIVM, which arises from the same KAR.
But honestly so far I have not seen evidence that Allison or other DOS women knew and prepared girls or boys to be with KAR. I think this mainly because harem has existed for a long time longer than at that moment Allison became part of it, and we know that, thanks to the same Frank who said that at first she was not in love with KAR or hers and to know about KAR’s pedophilia and to manage teenage girls is needed time and experience, like that of Karen Unterreiner, Pamela Cafritz and Barbara Jeske.
They had, in addition, many women in the harem and several of them served as informants for FRANK. Therefore how these women did not tell Frank anything about women who embraced pedophilia in the KAR harem?. There were even women who gave information. anonymously, in the comment section and even then nobody said something like this. Also the lack of information about victims makes me doubt these claims. I think that in reality the prosecutor is just raising the heat in the barbecue to finish convincing the rest of the accused, especially women, to take the plea agreements under the terms that the prosecution offers. Also the charges are handled as RICO so they can use the evidence on one of the defendants, in this case KAR, to pressure the rest for the same charges and that we already know is a usual strategy of prosecutors.
Just to clarify a couple of points on RICO…All the remaining defendants are facing two RICO charges: one for Racketeering and one for Racketeering Conspiracy. The “predicate acts” that have been cited by the prosecution to support the Racketeering charge are not being prosecuted as separate crimes. Instead, they are being used to support the allegation that there was, in fact, a criminal enterprise – and that all the defendants were part of it. But there is definitely the possibility for some “splash” effect as the prosecution introduces evidence of Raniere’s sexual exploitation of a minor.
I think we’ve seen indications, if not even evidence, that Allison did know.
Wasn’t the girl kept locked up for nearly two years, an underage victim of Raniere to begin with, and wouldn’t Allison have known about that?
And Allison’s “collateral” is said to include a video confessing to molesting two nephews.
It may not be entirely clear, but it appears to me more likely than not, that Mack will come out looking even worse by the time this is all done.
No we didn’t… The girl locked , a lot of nxians didn’t knew. Actually, if you did took the time to read the government’s info on this case, they state clearly that they have mail about Lauren’s involvement but Nothing about Allison…
The locked up girl wasn’t an underage victim at the time she was locked…atleast, it wasn’t stated (the photo’s are from 2005 when she was 15…before Allison entering the cult).
Allison’s collateral was not clearly explained…and Nothing seem to involve Allison directly or actually Something that was plausible (or else, the authority would have done Something).
Also , it is common knowledge that a lot of the DOS member made up stories.
The point was to destroy the reputation if the left…i wasn’t necessary for it to be true.
I’d like to remind of a mail that a nxian saw on Allison’s computer were she is asked for more collateral (to have the chance to access kar’s bed …(sic)) .
In the mail, Allison was asking “And what can i confess if i never did something wrong?” to what KAR answered to make a story.
Anonymous: IIRC, the woman who was imprisoned is not the same person as the underage girl in the photos found by the government.
I’d agree that there’s not yet conclusive proof to tie her to the worst of the exploitation of children.
But you seem to be spinning a bit too hard to imagine that she’s virtually innocent.
Regardless, “Mistress Ally” is implicated in all manner of illegal and deviant activities, including those that others indicted along with her have already admitted to much of. She was clearly a perpetrator herself, not just a victim, as demonstrated by the fact that she publicly took credit for the idea of branding other women – which was done under circumstances of coercion and deception, with her overseeing it.
Thanks to NXIVM, many old fashioned disgusting dirty jokes can be revamped.
Remember the Classic Mother from West Virginia joke?
Here is the updated and NXIVM-ized version.
Question:
How did Nancy Salzman know her daughter Lauren was having her period?
Answer:
Vanguard’s dick tasted funny.
Having watched three of my immediate family die from cancer with all the meds and radiation to mitigate pain, I cringe when I think of Barb and Pam dying without palliative end of life care. This may be two of the cruelest things Keith did to his longtime harem members.
I personally know that dying from brain cancer without the help of brain radiation is an incredibly painful cruel death. My sister died from brain cancer with the help of radiation a year ago. It was peaceful and humane.
All I hope is that anyone in Nxivm that harmed others in any way financially physically sexually emotionally, karma awaits you. Keith Nancy Lauren Allison Clair Kathy Karen Edgar Emi and all the rest of you, you know who you are, Karma is a bitch and it’s coming your way.
Keith for you I pray for an especially horrific end. You earned it!
I’m sorry for your loss.
A few years ago my mother passed away and now my father is suffering from the after effects of a stroke.
My family usually suffers from heart and blood pressure issues not cancer.
But any loss is difficult to handle.
God bless you and your family
Nancy has the info on which police, prosecutors, and judges were paid off.
Would love to be a fly on the wall of that debrief.
Trouble is slick ol’ Nancy pants — as Niceguy caught and mentions on another post — isn’t the one “cooperating” on the sex offenses — that’s baby Lauren. The naughty Nurse knew nothing of those (HA!).
Good piece, Shadow. (Not in total agreement, especially not on Ally, as usual.)
Thank you, Heidi.
I’ve tried to avoid accusing Allison Mack of child abuse.
After the recent government statement that Allison together with Clare Bronfman and Kathy Russell, was grooming children for sex with Raniere I can no longer give her the benefit of the doubt.
Allison Mack knew that Raniere is a pedophile and she knowingly assisted in the process of grooming, finding and training children to be abused.
Allison Mack is just an updated version of Pam Cafritz and Barb Jeske.
https://frankreport.com/2018/07/01/neighbor-allison-mack-befriended-8-year-old-girl-and-seemed-to-be-grooming-her-said-to-have-fondled-her/
Here is a video explaining the grooming process.
Oh come on…this is BS! Everything you can pin on Allison, you do it. EVERYTHING…
The article you link is also BS, even Frank admitted (the first time he posted it) that it was likely BS.
But like Always , you take every possible negative side of Allison .
You don’t even have anything to do with this whole case! you are just obsessed and that’s it.
Don’t play the “mister niceguy” trying to be fair because you never were.
As for the government statement, “equally admissible against all defendants as evidence of the racketeering enterprise and the racketeering conspiracy with which all defendants are charged” doesn’t mean that they all had connection in the child sex exploitation but that being in the racketeering enterprise, it’s relevant to each equally.
There is still absolutely no prove (that we know of) about the allegation of child exploitation for Allison.
Why would her lawyers ask for the “motion to sever” if they have seen the prove of her being connected to this?
The child cases both date from BEFORE Allison even entered the cult!!! You’re gonna soon say that she was responsible for Raniere’s Birth…
God i feel dirty even “talking” with someone like you!
“Everything you can pin on Allison, you do it. EVERYTHING…”
“God i feel dirty even “talking” with someone like you!”
From the government’s memo
Bronfman, Mack and Russell are each charged in an overarching RICO conspiracy involving
predicate acts of human trafficking, sex trafficking, and child exploitation,
the government expects to admit evidence that the members of the charged
enterprise recruited and groomed sexual partners for Raniere, both within and outside of
DOS, and were aware of and facilitated Raniere’s sexual relationship with underage victims.
https://frankreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Document-485-Prosecutions-Memorandum-Of-Law-In-Opposition-To-Defendants-Pre-Trial-Motions-03.29.2019.pdf
Let me repeat the most important part.
AND WERE AWARE OF AND FACILITATED RANIERE’S SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH UNDERAGE VICTIMS.
The government’s words, not mine.
Allison Mack as well as Clare Bronfman and Kathy Russell were aware of and facilitated the sexual exploitation of children.
You should feel dirty for defending her.
I have tried to avoid accusing Allison Mack of child abuse
That’s a good shadow joke.
I thought this article was a great read. It did cross my mind, like Anonymaker said about Sadie Atkins, that Lauren could lie on the stand and abandon the deal. It’s all so dramatic. I will look forward to this future American Crime Story!
That would be an additional charge(s) of perjury. I doubt any judge, and particularly this one, would be impressed by that.
Yes, but in case of high control groups or cults like the Manson family, as well as the mafia and other criminal gangs, not to mention those of pure nutjobs like Kaczynski the Unabomber, there are lots of examples of defendants doing things against their own self interest, and being willing to have the justice system come down on them for it, due to loyalty or ideology.
Nancy Salzman’s calculus could also be influenced in unexpected ways, by what is going on with her health.
People often end up hardcore members of groups like this, and involved in criminal activity, precisely because they don’t necessarily look at things the way the rest of us do – especially when it comes to those who have the most warped and pathological personalities. So what makes sense to us, isn’t always a good basis for predicting what motivates them and how they will act.
Regardless of her nutty thinking, perjury is perjury. The law doesn’t give a crap how they “look at things.” There is no need to try to play psycho-games with these nutjobs. It’s the actions that count, not the thoughts.
What about those of higher ranks still not implicated? There is still a network in Clifton Park NY hiding out!
What about rainbow culture? Will there be others as the feds follow the trails?
Hjj
Great points!
I am still wondering about all those Nexians gathered in or near Puerto Vallarta.
If Ranliere wanted to flee to Fiji all he needed was for Clare to charter a good boat and sail away.
The Feds would still be trying to nab him.
Raniere did not need Allison, Lauren, Nicki and Loretta Garza, his top Bad-Ass Warriors, as concubines
There were persistent rumors that these NXIVM women were in Puerto Vallarta to lure critics and defectors down there to be arrested and imprisoned by corrupt Mexican officials.
People like Catherine Oxenberg were warned not to travel to Mexico because there could be arrest warrants out for them South of the Border.
Lauren Salzman could explain what this NXIVM gathering was all about.
how you love to mix facts and stories in arguments without any foundation.
There were persistent rumors that these were NXIVM women were in Puerto Vallarta to lure critics and defectors down there to be arrested and imprisoned by corrupt Mexican officials.
People like Catherine Oxenberg were warned to travel to Mexico because there could be warrants out for them South of the Border.
Lauren Salzman could explain what this NXIVM gathering was all about.
This story was told by Kristin Keeffe to Barbara Bouchey and it was several years ago, it has nothing to do with KAR hiding in Mexico.
But it makes for a great story, right? LOL
Scott,
NXIVM is already a great story with an heiress and a TV star accused by the government of facilitating child exploitation.
Scott, you should do your home work.
Catherine Oxenberg was threatened with jail or death.
“I would receive death threats over the phone, emails — and for a long time we were out on our own against this group,” Oxenberg told the Sun, a British tabloid. “I felt like I was in hell.”
“I was warned not to go to Mexico because I would get killed,” she said, referencing the fact that the group, NXIVM, had a strong presence there. It’s also where its leader, Keith Raniere, was captured in March
Frank Parlato, NXIVM’s former publicist who teamed up with Oxenberg to expose the group and rescue her daughter, corroborated the threats Oxenberg received…
https://artvoice.com/2018/09/11/stories-detail-reveal-dangers-catherine-oxenberg-and-others-faced-in-cratering-nxivm-other-stories-of-interest/#.XKV90zHwbIU
Scott, are you saying that Catherine Oxenberg and Frank Parlato are lying about the threats from NXIVM?
I think they are saying that Shadow is dramatic and won’t miss the smell of an angle to push his pc drama.
Well-written dramatic telling of the arc of the NXIVM story.
I think it gets a bit too much into assumptions and speculations about what is going on behind the scenes, however. For instance, Nancy Salzman’s attorney has specifically said that she was not cooperating, so she may well have decided to stay more or less loyal, or at least to minimize public airing of her misdeeds and tell as little as possible of what she knows. Lauren does seem ready to throw others under the bus at this point, and maybe even settle scores. But only time will tell, and we may yet be surprised; in the Manson trial, Susan “Sexy Sadie” Atkins abandoned a plea deal made to spare her life, and decided instead to lie on the stand to protect her man.
Raniere made a mistake by focusing on a philosophy of ruthless self-interest inspired by Ayn Rand. Unlike other groups, such as Manson’s, that were more loyal in sticking by their guru, his followers, once out from under his direct influence, are starting to look out for the new number one – themselves.
Nancy didn’t sign a cooperation agreement. She can no longer plead the 5th, and will commit perjury if she lies on the stand. If she refuses to testify, it means a longer prison sentence. She’s not in a safe space.
Everything Nancy did her plea, was to benefit Lauren. Opposite of what most are posting here, but not hard to connect dots.
“Raniere made a mistake by focusing on a philosophy of ruthless self-interest inspired by Ayn Rand.”
I’m happy that I never fell for the philosophy of Ayn Rand which can best be titled ‘The Virtue of Selfishness.’
Ayn Rand’s philosophy only creates a Society of Wolves.
Scientology, like Ayn Rand’s philosophy, is also very much into social darwinism. On the ideololy level, Raniere shows clearly is own narcissism and lack of empathy for the “weaks”.
Great article. I hope you’re right. Then again, they might walk free in Jussie’s footsteps.
Great article. I hope you’re right. Then again, they might walk free in Jussie’s footsteps.”
Thank you.
The Cook County States Attorney Kim Foxx is catching hell for her lenient treatment of Jussie Smollet.
When your done swinging that axe id like to borrow it?
Cafritz and Jeske both died early from cancer, which is often a product of guilt and stress. I wouldn’t be surprised if we hear of additional NXIVM cancer deaths over the next few years. In a way, the slow and painful deaths they both suffered is a form of justice.
I don’t think one target is any more attractive to the Feds than any other. However, the “rich and famous” are obviously more clueless than the others, as their money and fame made them believe they are invincible. Hence, they are hanging in longer without a plea deal. We’ll see how much longer that lasts as they consider how much the two that already flipped, and possibly more, know about their behavior and will reinforce and expand upon the evidence the Feds have already shown them while preparing for the trial. The gears of justice take a while to get moving, and move slowly, but eventually will grind them into teeny-tiny pieces.
“In a way, the slow and painful deaths (Cafritz and Jeske) they both suffered is a form of justice.”
I think you missed a comma in there sport. As you stated the slow and painful deaths of these women who succumbed to Keith’s agenda is a form of justice, it’s equally deserving you got fucked over by Amway. Poor baby.
I don’t see a missing comma, and I also don’t see what I am doing about educating others about Amway and other MLM scams is much different than what Frank is doing educating others about the NXIVM scam. Amway and other MLMs have scammed several 10s of millions of people by their operational nature of being illegal pyramid scams with little to no retail sales and many of them have tool scams as well, whereas NXIVM had only about 17,000 people over its entire 20 year history, most of whom merely took a course or two and left. Do you believe Frank got what he deserved when he was f*cked over by NXIVM? Go back and eat some thin mints, your blood sugar is obviously low. Poor baby. LOL
Girl Scout Cookies,
Awesome zinger!!!! Better than a box of Thin Mints.