Heidi: Nancy and Lauren Salzman’s used Raniere as much as he used them

Keith Raniere has owned Nancy Salzman for years. But that ownership may now be rescinded.
Heidi Hutchinson

By Heidi Hutchinson

I don’t think anyone, maybe not even Keith himself, has the full Nxivm story. Maybe Frank Parlato does through his years of hard investigation through many sources.

I liken the various accounts to the tale of the blind men describing an animal they’ve all touched without ever seeing the beast — an Elephant. The blind man who felt only the Elephant’s trunk swears it’s a “snake-like” creature, and so on.

“Taking the fall” had a certain connotation when Gina, my sister, and sometimes me, but, mostly she and her friends — some sadly, among KAR’s earliest, underage “fuck toys”, as it turns out — studied under Keith’s “genius” tutelage, starting way back in the early ‘80’s.

“Taking the fall” was part of a mostly “Mormon,” for my part anyway, theological discussion we often engaged in while Gina was engaged to wed KAR — or you might say while she was forever “Vowed” to him as her reincarnate Buddhist God and master — she his consort destined to become a Goddess in her own right.

Those days, “Taking the fall” referred to becoming or reverting to being a ”Luciferian” — a soul fallen from the grace of God, sworn to follow Satan, behave sadistically and succumb to temptations of the flesh. (ESP/NXIVM would, later, offer the anecdote to this and other debilitating spiritual conditions, such as “disintegration” into a fearsome past life state, through Keith’s “Rational Inquiry” formula.)

So, I’m not sure what you mean by “Taking the Fall” but I take it that you are not happy with what Nancy and Lauren did to their co-defendants by covertly ratting or first to steal away with the best plea deals before anyone else knew.

You mention, poor Lauren Salzman was not the only or first girl with whom KAR broke his side of “the Vow” bargain — but managed to suspend her, along with her own Mommy Dearest, in a state of eternal maternal and matrimonial hopefulness for decades thereafter, nonetheless.

As you say, Lauren made an ADULT choice however heavily influenced by her mother, Nancy Salzman. She also enjoyed privileges others had to work hard for — unless you count holding down branding victims and occasionally having sex with Keith as laborious, I suppose.

I also agree, Nancy, and years later, Lauren, took the mind games to a level of torment on par with the MKUltra, CIA-style training some say Nancy not only had, but put in to practice for, at least, her own gain.

I have been told it was Lauren —under her mother’s guidance —who composed Gina’s death chart (as I refer to it) in August 2002, week’s before she was “suicided.” I don’t yet know if that information is correct.

But as I observe these proceedings, the behavior of the various defendants, I would agree with you that Nancy and Lauren ideological “took the fall” but did so long, long ago and put their lust for power, money, fame and worldly pleasures above all else including having a conscience about the sufferings they caused to others by pleasing KAR.

In some ways, Nancy and Lauren, all the Salzman’s used KAR as much as he used them.

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  • Heidi, as usual, your insights are well presented and very poignant. Thank you for continuing to share. We don’t want to lose you, especially in the home stretch. I wonder if the real Jesus is frowning upon (the alleged) Albany Jesus?

    • Frank — Unless you are as obsessed with Sultan as this dude is (assuming it’s not you), why do you bother littering your comments section with useless garbage. If anyone cared what Sultan thought, they can follow him themselves. At this point, your decision to post stuff like this just reflects poorly on you and reinforces the view from outsiders that your site is full of racists, immature loons.

      • Anonymous,

        Sultan has journeyed to Saratoga and parts unknown. Sultan actually made contact with an ex-Espian. Sultan tried to rescue Kristin Kreuk. Sultan is part of the story.

        Sultan single handily tried to take on NXIVM alone. How is Sultan not relevant?

  • I agree with Heidi’s perspective.
    Heidi’s observation makes me wonder 2 things:

    1. If Nancy’s and Lauren’s tiff in court was staged so the other defendants would not suspect Lauren was working on a plea deal as well.

    2. Did Nancy purposely engineer being the sole defendant to be granted the ability to be able to communicate freely with the other defendants, provided that everyone’s attorneys were present, to be able to evaluate when to cut a deal and what would be her best legal strategy?


    Nancy did an incredible job of putting her self in the perfect position to know what everyone was up to and what she should do to benefit herself.

    Heidi is right: Nancy is one cunning bitch and Nancy in the end used Keith’s trust and his secrets to get the best plea deal for herself.

    Ironically Nancy in the end used Keith Raniere.

  • Heidi, Just look what it took to flip Nancy and Lauren.

    1. Raniere’s arrest
    2. Nancy and Lauren arrested.
    3. Nancy losing power to the Bronfmans.
    4. Lauren being passed over for head of DOS by Allison Mack
    5. Losing their money, cars and homes to the Feds.
    6. Raniere calling Nancy the reincarnation of Hitler.
    7. Revelations of pedophilia and a porn tape.
    8. Lauren being denied her “avatar” baby.
    9. Nancy having recurrent bouts of cancer including a mastectomy.

    On top of that, the Feds had to decline to prosecute Nancy and Lauren for 20 years of crimes including unlawful confinement, money laundering, tax fraud and God only knows what else.

    And Michelle Salzman and son in law Ben Myers might escape any prosecution altogether for crimes like computer hacking.

    The Feds gave up a hell of a lot to gain the Salzmans’ cooperation.
    No more plea deals!
    No more plea deals!
    No more plea deals!

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Frank Parlato is an investigative journalist.

His work has been cited in hundreds of news outlets, like The New York Times, The Daily Mail, VICE News, CBS News, Fox News, New York Post, New York Daily News, Oxygen, Rolling Stone, People Magazine, The Sun, The Times of London, CBS Inside Edition, among many others in all five continents.

His work to expose and take down NXIVM is featured in books like “Captive” by Catherine Oxenberg, “Scarred” by Sarah Edmonson, “The Program” by Toni Natalie, and “NXIVM. La Secta Que Sedujo al Poder en México” by Juan Alberto Vasquez.

Parlato has been prominently featured on HBO’s docuseries “The Vow” and was the lead investigator and coordinating producer for Investigation Discovery’s “The Lost Women of NXIVM.” In addition, he was credited in the Starz docuseries 'Seduced' for saving 'slave' women from being branded and escaping the sex-slave cult known as DOS.

Parlato appeared on the Nancy Grace Show, Beyond the Headlines with Gretchen Carlson, Dr. Oz, American Greed, Dateline NBC, and NBC Nightly News with Lester Holt, where Parlato conducted the first-ever interview with Keith Raniere after his arrest. This was ironic, as many credit Parlato as one of the primary architects of his arrest and the cratering of the cult he founded.

Parlato is a consulting producer and appears in TNT's The Heiress and the Sex Cult, which premieres on May 22, 2022.

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