There has been some debate on Frank Report about Monday’s Times Union event “Nxivm Exposed’ and whether Barbara Bouchey unfairly dominated the conversation, ignoring the desire of the audience to listen to the other panelists – Catherine Oxenberg and attorney Mike Grygiel.
Concerned Mom wrote, “The overall consensus within 3 tables was that [Bouchey] took over and was taking credit. If anyone on that panel truly made this happen [taking down Nxivm], it was Catherine. Who sadly we didn’t hear much from.”
Anonymous wrote: “Barbara did dominate the discussion. The few times Catherine Oxenberg actually got to speak, Bouchey would often be dismissive of her comments and say, ‘Well I was there!’ implying that Ms. Oxenberg was not. …The audience wanted to hear what each of the panel members had to say and the frustration in the audience was evident. And those who registered online were asked to submit questions to ask the panel. Not a single one of those questions was addressed.”
Barbara Bouchey explained, “One of the reasons I spoke more than others is the list of questions the Times Union has was four times more, and I possessed facts and knowledge of NXIVM that neither Catherine nor Michael have, given they were never a part of the NXIVM community. I will respond to this later, but want to be on the record now informing readers that [the Frank Report post describing the TU event] is a slightly jaded portrayal of what I said, and I think it only fair for them to learn of the inaccuracies. The video will be provided, hopefully soon, wherein readers can hear the entire panel discussion, and judge for themselves.”
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Now, happily, we have the video of the event. Someone posted it on YouTube.
Did Barbara dominate the conversation? And if she did, was it only because she had so much more important stuff to say than Catherine Oxenberg or Mike Grygiel?
The second question I cannot answer. I leave that to each viewer to decide.
But the first question can be answered: Barbara spoke 71 percent of the time.
How do I know?
I asked longtime Frank Report reader and occasional intern, Julia Brown, to review the entire video and measure the amount of time each panelist spoke – based on the time they had the microphone in their hand.
This is the result:
Catherine Oxenberg spoke for 8.55 minutes.
| Catherine | Seconds | Barb | Seconds | Mike | Seconds | ||
| 8:10 – 9:39 | 89 | 10:20 – 14:32 | 252 | 29:50 – 34:07 | 257 | ||
| 14:53 – 15:40 | 47 | 16:19 – 20:05 | 226 | 35:08 – 39:11 | 243 | ||
| 24:29 – 26:24 | 115 | 20:52 – 24:08 | 196 | 45:30 – 46:45 | 75 | ||
| 26:56 – 27:35 | 39 | 41:13 – 45:25 | 252 | 1 hour | |||
| 27:59 – 28:14 | 15 | 47:18 – 50:48 | 210 | 1:37 – 2:27 | 50 | ||
| 39:45 – 40:08 | 23 | 52:09 – 54:17 | 128 | 12:49 – 12:56 | 7 | ||
| 40:13 – 40:41 | 28 | 58:00 – 59:36 | 96 | 13:17 – 13:28 | 11 | ||
| 54:24 – 54:37 | 13 | 1hour | 38:23 – 40:07 | 104 | |||
| 1hour: | 2:59 – 5:03 | 124 | |||||
| 1:03 – 1:36 | 33 | 5:28 – 09:04 | 216 | Total | 747 | ||
| 9:58 – 10:03 | 5 | 10:05 – 11:10 | 65 | ||||
| 17:17 – 17:38 | 21 | 11:48 – 12:37 | 49 | ||||
| 20:50 – 21:25 | 35 | 12:59 – 13:17 | 18 | ||||
| 27:01 – 27:46 | 45 | 13:28 – 14:45 | 77 | ||||
| 30:08 – 30:13 | 5 | 15:36 – 17:04 | 88 | ||||
| 17:59 – 20:20 | 141 | ||||||
| Total | 513 | 22:09 – 25:49 | 220 | ||||
| 26:03 – 26:57 | 54 | ||||||
| 27:46 – 30:08 | 142 | ||||||
| 30:14 – 32:15 | 121 | ||||||
| 33:14 – 38:22 | 308 | ||||||
| Total | 2983 | ||||||
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Let’s be real. Barb knows the most and she should speak the most. Plain and simple.
Let’s be real. Barb should tell the truth of what she knows and stop trying to sugar coat everything. WHAT… does she still drink a cup of kool-aid every morning; is she that quacked out or just an outright liar?
No one was blind to his line up of women so how could Bouchey of been?
No one was blind to the fact that Barb had a meltdown when her Part Time lover had a thing for Esther Chiappone.
No one was blind to Barb’s meltdown when KAR took on Ivy Nevares. Now talk about a hot babe; Ivy was smoking and smart. Too bad she was off limits.
No one was blind to the fact that KAR had a thing for Marianna (his baby mama). No one could prove he was having sex with her when she was underage other than a very few like Pam Cafritz or Karen Unterreiner.
No one was blind to the fact that KAR was sleeping with Lauren Salzman, so how did you not know Barb? Did you think it was alright because he sat next to you during inner circle meetings and not Lauren? How does this mean you were his “special girlfriend.” How do you know how he treated other women when you were not around all the time?
Barb also said NXIVM was not a criminal organization until after she left? WOW, does she not read!!! What do you think they were doing with the Rick Ross case? Who lied under oath about where the student/coach notes were stored in the Ross Case? Could it have been BARBARA BOUCHEY? Isn’t lying under oath a criminal act?
Barb is wonderful, so special. Why would anybody want to ever criticize her? She is the best speaker and honestly after watching the video, I wanted to see more of her and less of the others. They should have had only her as a panelist. She is the best.
Barb? Is that you?
Exploiting emotional vulnerabilities for financial gain is just pure evil. And that’s all it was.
Please stop and let people heal. And get help for yourself. Why do you feel the need to be so front and center all the time? Having to justify and explain constantly. Trying to convince anyone now of any good coming out of that criminal enterprise is more cult gaslighting.
The Catholic Church is a cult bit is what they used in the We Are Not A Cult Module.
The organization’s intentions were not at all what they preached, it was rotten to the core. Any good anyone got out of it came at a ridiculous cost and were incidental.
Life imitating art. Maybe there will be a Sunset Boulevard remake staring Barbara Bouche…She’s ready for her close up Mr. Parlato
I agree. I just love watching Barbara. She is the very very very best. I hate it when the other people spoke. I craved to hear more from Barbara. I agree with George MacCready – The Times Union should not have had other panelists. Barb is way more interesting than them all put together. Love you Barbie!!!!!!
Barb. Come back to us Barbara Nxivm is alive and well. You could be a Senior Proctor and maybe Counselor or maybe the next Prefect. Remember Keith always forgives and will be acquitted soon. Come stand by him and he will have you back. We shall rise United. #vanguardgoesfree
What good did these people do in the organization? I can’t say that Ive read one thing “good” done. And for God sake, so much for everyones voice being heard. Barbara can you please name some good, that came from your role in the organization? Did you create the curriculum taught? When the red dressed child kissed your man, did you happen to see anyone elses reactions? Who was the first person you asked, is he having sex with this child? And lastly who won the volley ball game that day?
“When I took a 16 day course and went to one Vanguard week shortly afterward my 16 day (and quickly did an exit forever afterwards)”
Could you share with us your experience in NX and V week, especially since it seems to differ from BB?
The event was billed as a “Pre Trial Talk.” It was not the Barbara Bouchey show. No one is making light of Barbara’s experiences within NXIVM. But there were other perspectives we wanted to hear as well. It would have been beneficial, for example, to hear Mike Grygiel explain the complexities of the legal issues involved and outline what we may be looking at as the trial proceeds. It would have been interesting to hear Ms. Oxenberg tell us more about India’s rescue and tell us what effect her book has had on the reading public, especially in terms of bringing this information out in a very public way. The point of the talk was to have three DIFFERENT perspectives on the issue. That’s what the audience came to hear. (At least the ones who paid their own way to be there….)
Barb said Raniere slept at her house 3-4 nights/week (see the 19:20 mark), so he couldn’t possibly be f*cking other women. It never occurred to her there are 7 nights in a week?
Right after that, she said nobody ever asked her if she was in a relationship with Raniere. That’s probably because it was obvious, as she had just said that when she and Raniere came into a room people made room for them to sit together, they held hands, etc. She said she would have been honest and straightforward, but what would she have said? Yes? No? Other?
Around the 54th minute, Barb sees the Mexican girl plant a kiss on Raniere in the middle of a volleyball game. There were a lot of people there, obviously. Yet no discussion among those at the volleyball game occurred after that incident? And Barb talks only about her own, personal reaction? Weird.
There was a culture of people that supported whatever Raniere did. Kissing people on the lips was common. Both for Raniere and many women there, Nancy, Lauren, many other kissed their friends. It was part of the culture. Not saying it was ok.
Did Kristin Kreuk ever kiss Raniere on the lips?
I fully understand that, I was in Amway. MLM scams have lots of common traits, and that is one of many. Did you see people regularly kiss each other on the lips while Barb was in NXIVM? If so, did you see her kiss others?
Scott Johnson is asking such pertinent questions.
Scott asked the following questions:
“Did you see people regularly kiss each other on the lips while Barb was in NXIVM? If so, did you see her kiss others?”
His questions sure seem like he is keen to learn about Barbara’s and Keith’s love life.
Sounds to me like Scott ‘3inch’ Johnson may have some excitement in his pants.
I wonder why Scott would ask such questions that have nothing to do with anything regarding the NXIVM legal case.
I think Scott has some deep rooted orgy fantasies……
I totally agree with the lawyer at 1:01:35 that the publicity forced law enforcement to do something. Again, Barb and others should have started a FrankReport-like website a decade ago.
Scott,
I don’t think anyone ever seriously believed that a website like Frankreport would have worked to take down Nxivm or any other organization.
Just having a website is not enough. The website has to have multiple well written articles and ‘fluff pieces’ every day just to keep viewers and attract new ones.
Scott you have a website; does it generate 3+ articles a day?
Frank seems to have good communication skills and a gift for “gab”. Frank gained peoples’ personal trust who left nxivm and I believe even some Nxivm informants early on. I keep mentioning Parlato’s skills and abilities because it is a significant part of the game and the website.
I am not trying to be rude Scott, but how much success have you honestly had with your website?
I will be honest I know if I had a website it would not be any better than yours and I probably would not develop any sources like Frank did.
Scott, how do you think Parlato showed up in California and got the Bronfman’s 28 million or whatever it was?
I do not have a clue how he was able to pull that rabbitt out of his ass. Parlato is a man with some unusual unorthodox skills in communication, persuasion, and negotiation.
I actually watched that Vice interview a second time recently and the guy in that video does not jibe with the guy who got 28 million from a sleazy Russian business man. Parlato is an enigma. I would love to know his back story just out of plain old curiosity.
So back to my point…. yes other people could have started a website but they would also have to be talented in many areas to achieve success.
Taking down a cult or MLM is not so easy as “having a website”. Scott you should know that better than anyone.
You missed the entire point, as usual. The point was for Barb AND OTHERS to start a website. The material would come from all of them, so there would be plenty of material.
Scott,
Nobody believed a website would work you moron.
What Parlato pulled off is a little more complicated than just simply starting a website. If you do not believe me ask Frank Parlato.
Scott,
If it is easy as starting a website why do you not have more traffic?
Seriously it’s not that easy….
At 1:09:20 the moderator cracks a joke and everyone in the room laughs, except for Barb. She isn’t normal/stable.
Barb wants it both ways, she was there, so the other two don’t know what they’re talking about. Yet she never saw many of the weird things going on. Which is it, Barb?
At the end, Barb talks about how “brave” the 25 people who showed up at the forum were. That’s not bravery, especially when Raniere is locked up, Salzman has plead guilty, and Bronfman has been arrested, indicted, and is facing very serious charges. If people had stood up 10 years ago when the so-called NXIVM 9 left, they could have bulldozed this scam. They weren’t forum heros, they were cowards 10 years ago for not starting a FrankReport-like website to come together and trash NXIVM and force law enforcement to take action. We don’t even know who the NXIVM 9 are, let alone the hundreds of others who left.
Scott,
Your a sweet heart.
More than that, I’m right. The correct word is “You’re,” not “Your.”
Scott,
I bet no other adult watching the video figured that fact out besides you. You are an observant one.
How many hours of thought did it take you to come to that observation?
Scott you are so dumb you don’t realize your stupid.
LOL you dumb f*ck.
Mr. Shadow is training me to take over his Captain Obvious title. You didn’t say whether you agreed with the point. Do you?
Attention Frank or anyone else;
Slightly past the 1:09:30 time mark…
Catherine Oxenberg is asked a question regarding the government corruption she witnessed. Catherine Oxenberg’s answer to the question seems to get cut out, to her passing the “floor” back the moderator/reporter.
At some point the recording stopped and started again. I watched the clip 5 times.
The recording positively stops and starts.
Did anyone else watching the video notice this. I am sure nothing nefarious happened I just wish I could hear what Catherine said.
One of the most intriguing and disturbing aspects of this case is federal,state, and local law enforcement corruption.
I would greatly appreciate hearing what Catherine said about the federal government officials.
That was the point where Raniere escaped from MDC, screwed all the women, then went back to MDC. Of course, somebody had to drive him back and forth, as he can’t drive because his brilliant mind messes with electronics of all kinds. That’s my conspiracy theory, and I’m sticking to it. LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr6i_IwVMBw
here is another part
That’s a much better example. However, it appears it happened after the forum was over.
This article is SO STUPID! Of course Barbra will speak a lot more than Catherine! She has so much more to say based on her EXTENSIVE experience with NXIVM as compared to Catherine who was in NXIVM for only a couple years and who wan’t that involved!
Agree
Nutjob,
It’s a sad day when even Bangkok’s new alias makes logical sense in contrast to the majority of people….
Don’t understand what the concern is regarding who spoke the most amount of time. Was it a contest? Hardly. Why not appreciate what was shared and perhaps have a second or third event. Clearly, there is more to be told.
Girl Scout,
It’s like taking sides in the Kristin Kreuk debate. LOL
The debate regarding which type of Girl Scout Cookies are the best has more merit than debate regarding Barbara Bouchey’s alleged grandstanding and monologue.
The video was horrifying to watch. It was like watch a bad pilot of the Barbara Bouchey Show.
It would be interesting to see what some Cult Experts, psychologists who specialize in PTSD and narcissism have to say about her performance.
Who came up with the questions? Was it just the TU or did the panel speakers come up with some/all of the questions?
How many of the questions for each party involved got answered? It seems like Bouchey took most of the time. Was it planned that way or was she just pushy with her answers.
Is the rumor true that Barbara Bouchey bought 25 tickets to give out to actors to give her a standing ovation?
I don’t know how Barbara Bouchey can say she did not known about the other women. When I took a 16 day course and went to one Vanguard week shortly afterward my 16 day (and quickly did an exit forever afterwards), it was pretty clear that her part time lover, Vanguard had more than a just lesbian lover. How could you be so blind Barbara to the fact he had other girlfriends?
I don’t understand why it had to be so hush hush he was having sex with you unless he was telling other women the same lie?
Anonymous,
Were you watching the actual video or the movies Clock Work Orange?
Barb – Thank you for standing up and being vocal about this. Great information and much appreciated.
When you are done dodging haymakers and are ready to comment on FR, can you please tell us more about the volleyball? I’m guessing we won’t get to see any leaked video, so I’m relying on you for filling us in on important things like Keith’s vertical leap, if he regularly wore knee pads, who the good players were, and who the last ones were to be picked?
To everyone,
I strongly disagree about the”good Nxivm did” ; which occurs in the video at the 45min mark. I honestly believe Barbara is sincere, unfortunately the reality is Nxivm ruined and destroyed people’s lives as well as countless families.
I believe Barbara did go to the FBI, U.S. Attorney General’s Office, Immigration, Customs, and the IRS. Her attempt at reporting NXIVM to various government agencies met the same succes as everyone else that reported Nxivm, it accomplished nothing.
The US government contrary to popular opinion is actually under staffed. The IRS
is a great example:
“According to data seen by Reuters, At its peak in 1995, the agency had 3,358 agents.”…
In 2018 the IRS had approximately 2,500 special enforcement agents.
I have no interest in debating politics by my example. I am just pointing out that Barbara is most likely telling the truth. So many other people went to state law enforcement in New York and we’re turned away. Not even a regional newspaper could get state or federal officials to take notice.
They didn’t try very hard.
Scott,
Besides a website, which I will be honest I am shocked that it worked, what else could anyone have done? Seriously
I honestly would like to know. I am completely open to anything you might suggest.
Seriously Scott what else could they have done? Besides the website idea.
Frank is actually a trailblazer off sorts, I don’t know if he realizes the significance of what he’s done with his website in taking on Nxivm. Frank’s success means a whole new world for victims advocacy provided someone like Frank is at the helm.
You underestimate the power of a website, the First Amendment, and people working together. We don’t even know who the NXIVM 9 are, let alone the hundreds of others who left NXIVM. If they had spoken up together and kept banging on the doors of the media and law enforcement TOGETHER, it would have attracted major media and law enforcement attention. But people were too “scared” to step forward. Instead, they took a cowardly step back and the rest, as they say, is history. They got exactly what they deserved, Raniere’s nearly 30-year track record of scamming people, along with numerous other felonies being committed, and still being committed by other MLM scams as I type these words.
I strongly disagree about the”good Nxivm did” ; which occurs in the video at the 45min mark. I honestly believe Barbara is sincere, unfortunately the reality is Nxivm ruined and destroyed people’s lives as well as countless families.
Very true.
If people want a self-help course, Barnes and Noble has self-help books for 20 dollars without Worshiping the Vanguard.
The library has them for free.
Shadowstate,
The first 2 lines of our comments an hour apart are almost identical…… coincidence?
No, I think it’s not a coincidence at all. Two nutjobs often come to the same, incorrect conclusions. You are limited in your thinking to good OR bad, whereas NXIVM and other MLM scams are good AND bad. Just because there is some good doesn’t negate the bad. Even Hitler had a German Sheperd dog that he treated in a kind, gentle, and friendly manner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zey6TGUWBbU Would you say the dog was pure evil? Probably so.
Niceguy:
When I reply to a comment I usually put the comment in full so that people know what I am responding to.
I should have put your comment in quotes.
Shadowstate I just meant we had similar thoughts at around the same time and was kidding about the coincidence.
I believe that many of Raniere’s girlfriends, past and present, are seriously damaged by the experience.
And I believe that Raniere often attracted women who already had deep personal issues before they began their affairs with the “man.”
From my understanding Bouchey still has feelings for the huckster Vanguard.
Shadowstate,
Well stated. Keith seemed to have kind of radar for emotionally damaged people.
What do you base your belief of Barbara still having feelings for Vanguard?
Please elaborate.
It’s all over the interview Barb did on TV with Megan Kelly a couple of months ago.
There are numerous stories of Bouchey and her financial and sexual relationship with Raniere.
A relationship that lasted about ten years.
Bouchey lost money on Raniere’s trades in the commodities market and how did she tried to come out even?
She recruited new investors – SUCKERS – to invest money with Raniere.
Barb Bouchey profited handsomely from her ties to Raniere’s wealthy followers.
Perhaps Bouchey monopolized the forum so that no one could mention her business ties to the Raniere gang and how she profited handsomely from the NXIVM scams.
Moreover, Bouchey was one of a pack of women who pimped for Raniere by recruiting new women for his insatiable lust.
Bouchey hid from unsuspecting women that Raniere already had numerous girl friends.
To her credit, Bouchey left the cult without becoming the target of an FBI investigation but she is still no Snow White.
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“Bouchey is rewriting history and what she said in the interview with Megan Kelly is not the same story she told people when she was recruiting people to leave NXIVM, or right after she left.”
“She told me and others she knew about many women like Ivy Nevares, Esther Chiappone, Lauren Salzman, Marianna, and Camila Fernandez, a Physical Therapist who left NXIVM, Siobhan Hotaling (when KR was helping her to be a straight woman), Allison Mack, the Bronfman sisters, and many others.”
“Bouchey had known about these other women for years. We also were told it was within the first six months she found out the group lie, not a year as she is now claiming.”
“The lie Bouchey still believes is Keith was her boyfriend, and he was only sleeping with three other women once in a while. How does this lie make her situation any better? It’s sad that she cannot open her eyes to the fact that Keith was using her for her money, her ability to enroll others into NXIVM, and for sex/attention. The downside is Bouchey lied to thousands about who Keith was as a man, enrolled hundreds under this lie, and helped to keep people to stay in NXVIM
“So why not leave sooner?”
It’s well known that NXIVM sent their wealthy clients to Bouchey to “manage and invest” their money. Again, the pack of spotted hyenas worked the crowd of rich students, suggesting they should consider Bouchey to be their financial planner.”
Insider in the know: Bouchey – a sad story – and a misleading one
https://frankreport.com/2018/09/16/insider-in-the-know-bouchey-a-sad-story-and-a-misleading-one/
Barbara, with all due respect, Catherine was involved as well. She just saw the writing on the wall and did not invest herself as much.
As far as the young girl, I do not for a minute think you did not say something once you spoke to the authorities, my concern is that you didn’t contact them instantly.
Barb didn’t stay on it, either. She should have gone to the media, started a FrankReport-like website, etc.
Come on, Scott. Nobody seems to hate Barbara more than this Jim Smith character. Even he came to her defense regarding this point on a different comment section. He explained to you why she couldn’t/shouldn’t have done this.
Barbara literally, as the old expression goes ” got taken to the cleaners”.
She was under assault just like Toni Natalie.
I get accused of “kissing Frank Parlato’s ass”, but I have to say to go through what Frank went through and to come out fighting on the other side is extremely impressive.
Frank is extremely tough mentally. Not that many people have Frank Parlato’s mental fortitude.
I never would have thought that a Website like the Frankreport could ever be an effective tool to fight a group like Nxivm.
Tha’s because you don’t understand the power of the First Amendment in the internet age and people working together.
Jim provided an excuse, not a reason.
I didn’t like Barbara speaking so much. It was as if the forum was about her and not about Keith and his crimes. It was all about her. And comparing nxivm with the catholic church!! C’mon Barb, the Catholic church has bad people, but nxivm was created by someone bad, they get to you from what you are afraid of, and grab you from that, to squeeze all the juice they can out from you! No good came out from there, the only good that was in there was that they had good people that wanted to change the world, the bad is that they took advantage of that and changed them, the Catholic church is another thing. (or any religion in fact). If you protect the system, you are in fact guilty also because as you see, all the people that took the course and belonged to the community were affected. There are many foreigners who didn’t even met Keith who ARE affected, got a divorce, cut relationships with parents or long-time friends, lost all their money and gained debts thanks to the nxivm draining so don’t say that the system is good and that it helps the human beings and that human potential rocks because it does not, this system disconnects you from your feelings, and makes you look like an autistic person (with all due respect for the autistic persons), but this is what the system does, it gets you into another language, a Keith Raniere convenient language and it zooms you into the darkest place of all, but hey, guess what, you feel you are doing good and that all the others are wrong BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT THERE YET!! Wake up and smell the coffee Barb. Nxivm is bad, even if it made you feel good. Have you spoken to people who consume drugs? They feel they are great but the aftermath is bazooka! And uhmmm guess what? DRUGS ARE BAD FOR YOU, AND SO IS NXIVM
Coco please add paragraph breaks to your future articles.
Barbara has the most important viewpoint. It is only right she did the talking. Thank God she did. She made the event worthwhile watching. Besides she is really very nice looking. Still hot. And she’s single. Forget about Allison and Kristin Kreuk. In the day Barbara was ALWAYS the hottest woman in NXIVM only Keith had her all to himself.
If Barb was the hottest babe in NXIVM, I’m glad I live in Texas.
There is no “most important viewpoint.” Barb kept claiming “I was there, so listen to me,” then kept saying, “I didn’t see that.” She was one of the three blind guys describing an elephant. The other three had just as important viewpoints. NONE of them alone could paint the full picture of Raniere & Co.
Dear Frank and Readers,
I am glad that someone taped the whole panel discussion, and it is now available for everyone to view so as to make their own judgment of how it went.
It has been an intense and emotional few days for various reasons, including many comments on the FrankReport portraying how the panel discussion went, along with many inaccuracies of what I did or didn’t say.
I will do my best to respond to all questions, however, given the events of the last week along with a backlash of negativity towards me – I hope you might understand why I am taking a few days for a breather.
I will touch base on two things right now, and expand more when I respond at a later time.
One, is to say now is that moderator and journalist Brendan Lyons showed me the list of questions to be asked during the panel discussion PRIOR to it beginning. It was a page long of typed questions. There were only a handful of questions listed under Catherine and Michael’s name, however, the majority of the questions were listed under my name to be asked. THIS is why I spoke much of the time, which was by planned by the TU in advance. I was fine with that given I was the only one on the panel involved within the NXIVM community and possessed much of the knowledge that the audience had requested to be asked.
Two, the readers may recall in my comments last week that I mentioned one month after leaving NXIVM that I met with the FBI, U.S. Attorney General’s Office, Immigration, Customs, and the IRS. At that time, I provided them with the knowledge that I did have about the abuses, unethical conduct and other things. This included emails I had recovered from my computer server AFTER I left NXIVM (which had been deleted by one of my key long-standing employee), which contained around 30 emails with minutes of meetings between certain high-ranking members that this employee conducted secretly in my office for over a year. I also shared this info with these authorities including a list of NXIVM member’s status as foreign immigrants. I further informed them of the young underage girl I witnessed at volleyball with Keith one month before I quit, which alarmed me, along with my full knowledge of this Mexican family, and their children, who arrived in the community in 2003. Therefore, I DID ALERT the authorities of what I knew and hoped they would investigate.
I hope that you will keep an open mind and gather more information BEFORE assuming what I did or didn’t know, and what I did do or didn’t do before casting doubt and or judgment.
Kind Regards,
Barbara Bouchey
One more thing, I hope that with this new information coming to light on why the list of questions in large part were meant for me, and that I agreed with Brendan Lyons to answer them ahead of time, that he might consider editing this post as it is very misleading why I spoke more than the others.
Editing of which post?
Barbara,
Previously as I have mentioned I think you are a good person who endured hell.
I think at this point in time with regards to you stating “Nxivm did some good”, and comparing it to the” Catholic Church” you are creating a huge public relations nightmare for yourself.
Barbara If you think the pushback you are receiving now at the Frankreport is bad, wait until the press/media starts covering the actual trial and much of the public hears about the lurid and depraved aspects of Nxivm and Raniere for the first time.
People are going to pile on and attack you like a crazed mob. Barbara if you persist on defending the “good” NXIVM you are giving your detractors the ammunition they need to destroy your reputation completely. Barbara you will be attacked in social networks and perhaps even in the media. Media shows will trick you to coming on their shows and than tear you apart for ratings.
I do not wish to see someone who has endured so much misery suffer anymore.
Barbara please at the very least put of your defense of the good that Nxivm did and comparing it to the Catholic Church, for sometime.
Barbara if you think the pushback and attacks are bad now…….April will seem like an unadulterated living nightmare if you continue on with your defense of “NXIVM good”.
Barbara ask a friend or even ask Frank Parlato for their honest opinion about you defending the “good Nxivm did” at this point in time.
Any sane person is going to tell you to swallow your pride at least until the trial is over and things calm down.
Barbara once again if the pushback about your defense of the “good Nxivm did”, seems bad now wait until the trial starts up and thousands upon thousands of people start piling on.
Barbara imagine 100,000 Scott ‘Tex’ Johnsons or 100,000 Bangkoks. Do you want them attacking you? Think about it.
It’s too late for that, because Barb is already on the record. If she reversed course she would be viewed as insincere. Plus, it is right to say there was some good in NXIVM, because it’s true. You are so clueless it’s laughable. LOL
Do us a favor, and don’t refer to NXIVM as a “community” ever again. That word reminds me of David Koresh, Heaven’s Gate, Jim Jones, Charles Manson, etc. I don’t think that is the image you want to project, or is it, Barb?
I don’t understand why you need a breather, just answer the questions. It should be helpful to reduce your stress level to get the information in the open.
When did the audience request which questions/topics to be asked?
Why did your employee remove emails? Was it an accident, were they loyal to NXIVM, or some other reason?
Did you also go to the press with your story? Did you start a website? It could have saved you from the NXIVM lawsuits coming your way and put pressure on the government to do something.
Barbara, unrelated to the post, but a while ago, a poster on this site suggested you were in charge of Allison Mack’s finances. Is this true?
Why does this matter?
It matters because it wasn’t the Barbara Bouchey panel and Catherine Oxenberg and Mike Grygiel had just as much relevance and their insights just as interesting as Bouchey but obviously Barbara didn’t think so.. And the fact she was dismissive of Catherine’s role is also problematic because hearing about her struggles to get India out is as harrowing as anything in the news..
If you’re asking questions about a cult then someone who spent years in it at a senior level and was sleeping with the leader will know a lot more than someone who did a few courses and left and a lawyer who dealt with some cases involving them. Why do you think they would have “as much relevance”? She spoke a lot but most of the questions were aimed at her.
Hi spanky.
2983. Perhaps Ms. Bouchey misunderstands the word “jaded”. Perhaps she is simply not aware of her loquaciousness. The numbers don’t lie do they, Mr. Parlato?
Mighty Thor,
“Why does this matter”?
I have no idea.
I bet Frank Parlato finds it all very entertaining………
Frank,
Was there a moderator?
No offense to Barbara but it is funny that Frank had a intern printout a spread sheet.
Frank, you are incorrigible.
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Barbara you should laugh the whole episode/story off. Do not let it bother you seriously. Do not take any of it seriously, Frank has quite the sense of humor just watch the Vice episode about him.
Wow, Barbara, maybe try to tone down that ego just a tad.
I don’t think Barb is capable of doing that.