Lena and Sexy 7-12 make points on Kristin Kreuk

– It DOES matter and it matters most to the 100’s of branded and mind-bended, emotionally and physically scarred DOS victims she wittingly or unwittingly helped recruit through her role in GBD.

There are so many things wrong with the previous statement. First of all, how would you know? Are you the appointed spokesperson for these allegedly hundreds of “branded and mind-bended” victims who have stated they were scarred? Second of all, in order for the first question to even be answered, the notion that they even exist and were victimized has to be evidenced first. Where is the list of names of not just two, ten or twenty of these girls, but the hundreds of them as you have stated – meaning at least two hundred or more? Are we supposed to trust an unsupported claim based on your mere word that they exist? Third of all, whether she allegedly wittingly or unwittingly recruited people does matter because the words are opposites in meaning. By the principle of non-contradiction, they cannot be applied simultaneously. Also, the term unwittingly holds less weight than the term wittingly as far as culpability is concerned. For example, in the case of the killing of another human being, the courts of law distinguish between first, second, and involuntary third degree murder. The latter is rightfully considered less morally culpable than the first. Fourth of all, no causal connection between participation in GBD leading to participation in DOS has ever been remotely established. A single story related by an anonymous person who goes by the alias of “Jane” establishes no credibility whatsoever for it – anyone can make up a story in such circumstances – and it is jaw-opening laughable that anyone would think so.

–That debt Kristin Kruek, INC. owes to those girls to at least explain her own motives for conning them into their present circumstances cannot be counteracted with such blatant hypocritical antics.

To con implies a malicious intent to fool a person under a pretense of sincerity into believing something of positive value to them would be received, while actually giving them something that is held to be of less value to them or nothing at all. I have first hand experience with it because I have trusted others and been conned before. What did Kristin fool these allegedly tricked girls – assuming they exist – into believing, and where is the evidence for it?

–It is a shame and a sham!

The only thing that is a sham here is the blatantly loaded language you presented.

–not going to erase the reality that that resentment exists. She’s rubbing salt on the slaves wounds.

Resentment by who? It has yet to be established that any of these alleged victims even exist.

–how ‘bout a sincere statement, Princess? Who’s idea was “Sexy 7”? Who wrote the questions for your 12 – 17 yr. old recruits? Who dangled free cameras to take pictures of their sexy selves and send in like that video showing off the sexy adventurous side of the lass who took the prize? And won herself that free camera?

Yawn. Historian’s fallacy. Even if it is accepted that Raniere provided or helped in designing such questions, none of that means Kristin knew of Raniere’s sexual proclivities for teen girls, nor willfully participated in bringing these girls – whose existence is yet to be established – into Raniere’s harem to satisfy them, which is what you’re obviously trying to imply or suggest. NXIVM was also a for profit company that professed to provide programs to help its participants become successful in whatever business they wanted to create, and those who were seen as the leaders or experts within it would obviously offer their help, advice, services, etc., for payment rendered. There’s also nothing insidious about free cameras being given out to these girls, and there is a clear difference in meaning and usage between the words sexy and sexual.

–What were you and Mark in your past lives again? Didn’t Vanguard “recognize” you?

Meh. That they bought such idiocy doesn’t mean anything. Anyone can be fooled by someone in his life and it doesn’t matter how smart they are. They just have to give them a chance and be one thing – trusting.

The crucial point in this lengthy rebuttal can be summed up pretty much in one question – who and where are all of these alleged victims that have directly blamed Kristin for an offense?

Great post, Lena!

“Wasabi Steak” aka “Sultan” aka “Chaz” writes:

“We’re still waiting on any evidence of people who actually joined NXIVM from Girls by Design and no examples of people they can name have come forward.”

This comment is not only a lie, it is a dirty lie to cover the truth it conceals.

In fact, a DOS slave calling herself “Jane,” for one, DID come forward on FR, albeit anonymously— Frank privately verified her identity — and did state on record that she was recruited into DOS through Girls By Design.

Granted, “Jane” cannot “be named” —which is probably why you included that exclusion in your false statement to make it appear true when it is only true if one uses the exclusion you made: “cannot be named.” You forgot to add cannot be named on FR or publically.

Jane CAN be named if Frank breaks his promise or gets a supeona from the FBI — factions of which seem more interested in jailing Frank than overtly using all the information he’s supplied them through FR and other sources they do rely on whom Frank informs.

Other DOS slaves — and, btw, the Feds have established “DOS” is part of “NXIVM“ if you’re going to use that semantic exclusion game, too — which hasn’t worked in this case from the get-go — may have also come forward in other ways. Maybe even directly gone to the DOJ. You forgot to add, “unless” into your lie universe.

Who are you Sultan? Are you a pro publicist? Kristin Kruek’s Dad? Chaz, who wished the girls off well on their first GBD weekender outing? And wished he could be there maybe getting off well with them? If only he weren’t so far out of their age range?

Just a fanboy? On here, on Saratoga In Decline 24/7 nearly 10 years ago, on every Kruek tweet and website there ever be or will?

Go ahead, regale us with your fanboy crush on KK and semantic and Semitic games. Just keep it clean, pops! Stop with the dirty tricks and lies.

Pssst: Don’t listen to him, Lena. Speak out, report, be the change, be the Kristin Kruek she never was, despite what her “payroll” says.

What Kristin Crook does or doesn’t say at this point doesn’t matter, but not for the reason stated. What really matters is what the Feds have in regards to information involving Crook’s involvement in illegal activities. Everything else is soap opera drama.

People still on this blog think Kreuk is involved despite the accounts of others to bring down NXVIM who have said she wasnt involved and only took classes?

We’re still waiting on any evidence of people who actually joined NXVIM from Girls by Design and no examples of people they can name have come forward.
From the 3 people she recruited, 2 have left and only Allison stayed on

So where are all these recruited girls guys? Where are their parents

The comments section has lost all sense since she came forward and dennounce NXVIM before that people generally were skeptical of any involement

But after her March 2018 IG theres been a toxic attack on here by people with no evidence whilst journalists from Vice and NY Times have shown no link to her other than asking Allison to join the classes with her 13 years ago.