A reader using the moniker TK asked a question: “Didn’t someone … state that Keith has been known to set off radar detectors, or smoke alarms? or something along those lines? … I wonder if Keith actually told people about this stuff, his powers, as if to impress them. I mean, seriously, you can’t make this shit up because it’s so ridiculous. What would be even more scary is if people actually believed it.”
Heidi Hutchinson offered TK an answer:
After seeing the movie, “Mothman,” with my sister and pals, Keith convinced his acolytes that his genius “Vanguard” aura interacts with electric power, energy waves.
Movie nights with Keith were always a mind trip. “Mothman” was one of the movie’s he liked to use repeatedly to mind condition his young prey.
Richard Gere, a hot actor in the day, starred —romantic plot, the hero acquires omniscient superpowers due to tragedy that “kills” or “transforms” his wife, Debra Messing, after they’re attacked by a giant moth.
Gere himself starts to set off electric storms and heroically saves people by predicting major tragedies. There’s some time travel element in the movie, if I remember right. I think Gere saves Messing from dying to begin with and they both live happily ever after in Mothland or something.
But from then on, Keith’s own Mothman-like powers — that set energy waves a flutter in his presence — were extolled to newcomers.
This phenomenon was also Keith’s excuse for why he could never drive.
The real reason Keith didn’t have a drivers license was because: HE FAILED THE WRITTEN NYS DRIVER’S EXAM required to renew his license and instead of retaking it blamed the “illogic” and idiocy of the exam itself.
I think he had Karen Unterreiner make a complaint or a proposed redesign of the exam at first. But the final solution was that Keith was to be chauffeured everywhere due to the dangers of his Mothman powers to other drivers and society.
Good excuse as any to keep him off the streets behind bars.
Oh, also if you ever repeat this to anyone — that Keith failed the driver’s test — it’s said, “tragedy will strike your life like lightning.”
So, keep that to yourself or Mothman’ll getcha.
Somehow the energy wave was used also with sexuality, when Raniere said to women in his harem that they could not have sexual relations with anybody esle: that should steal away all of Raniere “vital energy” and destroy him!
Interesting. My sister wrote about some energy transference thing, that when Keith touched her he was “energizing” her.
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Mothman was released in January 2002. Keith must have been over the age of 40 by then. So what excuse did he use for lack of a DL before this movie was released?
The Mothman myths have been around for centuries. Keith and Gina were talking Mothman long before the movie. Aren’t many other characters with those powers or defects. Mothman and Keith flunking the driver’s exam is all I recall on the topic. Personally, I believe Keith’s “genius” pride or image prevented him from retaking the exam lest anyone guess why he had to.
But it’s a good question if anyone else was offered another explanation besides supernatural interference with radar devices by Keith or one of his minions, I’m listening.
Don’t let trolls or trollups scare you away from speaking up. The truth is always defenseable in this Country, still. The DMV keeps records forever. I’ll happily find this proof if need be for anyone who’s falsely accused of lying.
I believe it. It does make sense that Keith’s grandiose ego met it’s match against the DMV driver’s license test. Hence, the reason why he didn’t see the point in returning for a retake. And, considering his inflated sense of self, he could ALWAYS count on others to chauffeur him about (something I’m sure he must have thoroughly savored). Like a puppy dog riding in the front passenger seat of a car with the window rolled down – tongue flailing about and drooling into the wind. The whole point being, Keith seemed to relish having others always do things for him.
John Keel’s novel The Mothman Prophecies was released in 1975 and is the book upon which the movie is based.
I believe you Heidi.
Mothman myths have been around since 1966.
[In West Virginia folklore, the Mothman is a creature reportedly seen in the Point Pleasantarea from November 12, 1966, to December 15, 1967. The first newspaper report was published in the Point Pleasant Register dated November 16, 1966, titled “Couples See Man-Sized Bird … Creature … Something”. The national press soon picked up the reports and helped spread the story across the United States.
The Mothman was introduced to a wider audience by Gray Barker in 1970 and later popularized by John Keel in his 1975 book The Mothman Prophecies, claiming that there were supernatural events related to the sightings, and a connection to the collapse of the Silver Bridge.
The Mothman appears in popular culture. The 2002 film The Mothman Prophecies, starring Richard Gere, was based on Keel’s book. An annual festival in Point Pleasant is devoted to the Mothman legend.]
Apparently the Mothman sightings ended on December 15th 1967, after the collapse of the Silver Bridge. Of course, Mothnan was blamed for the deadly collapse, even though it was proven to have been caused by a structural defect.
Maybe Keith should have taken Jordan Peterson’s advice at about 125s that he gives in this interview to heart and applied it to his life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kemqbA2Gto&feature=youtu.be&t=115.
Heidi’s article sounds like fiction to me.
…Because even if he failed the test for lack of studying (which many people do) he could have retaken the test with minimal studying, since even 16 year olds can retake and pass the test.
Keith TRIPLE majored in math, biology and physics.
Yet according to Heidi, he gave up on driving for his entire life SIMPLY BECAUSE he failed a test? Yeah sure.
TRUTH: He was simply too lazy to drive and wanted to be chauffeured. That’s the likely reason.
Oh, and regardless of his 2.3 GPA he was still a TRIPLE major in 3 advanced subjects. Heidi can make no such claim.
Also, the radar detector story is BULLSHIT in my opinion. I’m doubting that Keith ever said such a thing.
…because EVEN IF Keith’s brain really set off radar detectors while driving, it would continue setting off those same radar detectors from the passenger seat too. lol
Therefore I’m doubting that Keith ever said such a thing because it makes no logical sense EVEN IF his brain were really able to do that.
It sounds like bullshit designed to ‘wow’ people about Heidi’s inside knowledge about Keith.
The radar detector story about KAR is old and common knowledge. I believe other people besides Heidi have said the same thing.
Thanks much for backing me up, Anon. I’d love to know why the radar detectors, specifically. In Keith’s Mothman phase it was a more generalized power, not just radar detectors but engine trouble, power lines shorting out, smoke detectors (especially in rooms filled with pot smoke) etc. And there were some displays of this power whenever an outage occurred, a car wouldn’t start, etc. Keith took credit for it.
Getting pulled over for speeding seems to be more of the concern lately. But Keith had fewer reported crimes under his belt back then that might result in an arrest were he stopped by the police.
Maybe he needed to be “off the grid,” or “off the radar.” ? Maybe he believed without having a driver’s license he’d never be found if he were ever caught? Maybe the more he believed he couldn’t be traced, the more crimes he could get away with?
This is all speculation, of course. The Mothman story is true.
Yes, I’ve heard others besides Heidi make the same comments about Keith’s claim of extraordinary powers, whether it was setting off radar detectors, or possessing super-duper sperm, etc. In hindsight, it’s clear he has always went out of his way to make himself seem special and superior to others in intellect. It surely fits his pattern of deception. Didn’t he also at one time boast in a resume of accomplishments of being a judo champ, fastest sprinter, learned to speak in full sentences by age 1? These so-called accomplishments were even posted (I believe at one time) on the NXIVM website. For a grown middle-aged adult, it seems rather shallow to put such childish and boastful claims on a professional biography. In many ways, despite Keith’s current age, he’s still a little boy and most likely will remain so.
Attention Dr. Leon Festinger,
I believe we have a patient here suffering with cognitive dissonance — who insists Keith’s “2.3 GPA with a TRIPLE ADVANCED MAJOR” means Heidi is making up bad stuff about Vanguard again.
The patient also appears to have a “Pussy” obsession that may have been brought on by being forced to perform cunnilingus on someone who recently consumed copious amounts of pizza, hot sauce and garlic…and who farted at an inopportune moment.
What’s your advise, Dr. Festinger?
I did see the Hot Sauce and Pizza comment and my best advice is to ignore these comments since this type of personality feeds off getting noticed. Any attention, even negative, feeds this type of person. This commenter also wants people to disbelieve Heidi while knowing she has many supporters on this blog. Why would someone do that? Perhaps this person has a need to be at the center of such a sensational story and is jealous Heidi lived it. I am sorry Heidi has to keep reading comments calling her recollections of the past fiction. It is harassment but my she has shown herself to be a confident, strong woman and she knows what she lived and everyday spent without her sister is a testament of what she has endured.
Thanks, Doc. I’ll try to take that advise to ignore more often but don’t want it to be misperceived in the same way that they who invoke their 5th Amendment rights do so because the truth would be incriminating to them.
I’ll do so because neither me nor the attention seekers should be the focus of comments on threads that aren’t my posts and don’t address me or my sister. The truth about this case is far more important than how I’m perceived, except that my credibility — like the credibility of all potential witnesses — may be important to exposing the truth and achieving justice.
I find it despicable that anyone would be so selfish and uncaring as to distract from the truth and truth seekers to satisfy their attention needs and I’m AMAZED that people posting under a pseudonym for crying out loud find some sick ego gratification under a fake name by harming others.
That’s partly why I suspected, suspect professional trolls or maybe real Nx victims not just very sick, negative attention-seeking individuals as you explain. Hope I don’t have to start serving supeonas to protect not only myself but others who come under constant attack on here and, most importantly, to protect the truth and justice!
But I will if necessary.
Heather Anne, we’d really like to hear from you please. Are you ok? Scott, for one, better pray you’re well or he may be in for more than bad karma over his lies and harassment.
It is amazing what people will do under the cloak of anonymity. It seems some forget they are addressing real people but it speaks to their character; not your own. I agree you should explore avenues to protect yourself and your name.
Hear, Hear Leon! Always interested in Heidi’s take because as you say “she lived it” and came through with wit and wisdom that I’m grateful she shares with us, especially pleased she’s writing editorial 🙂
There are probably hundreds who can confirm the radar detector story. Not many will admit ever believing it, but they heard it.
This is awesome Heidi! Thank you so much for telling this early stuff about Keith. It’s an incredible story and truly speaks volumes. He just seems like he was such a little wimp when he was young. It seems by some of the other accounts I’ve read is that he became a bully so early on in life. There was one instance written in the Epoch Times (?) article, that he was picking on one of his classmates, a girl, in biology class while working on a microscope. All of this behind the scene stuff is so very informative because it helps connect the dots so to speak. I think I’ve said this before on this site, but something else must have happened to this kid when he was young.
The Mothman movie. That’s hilarious! I can easily see how the fictional superpowers must have influenced him, so much so that he tried to mimic what he could, or a quality that made him feel important. Although, we all know very well how all that mimicking worked out for him. End of story is most likely he’ll spend the rest of his life in prison. I’m just hoping we can see a picture of him sometime in the near future. Maybe in court. But, I understand this isn’t possible in the EDNY. Rats!!! 🙂
Welcome TK. I hope it helps everyone. All your thoughts, when genuine and true, helps me to put the pieces back together, too. I did hear that story before about the girl and the microscope but in a different context.
Happy to help and really appreciate your feedback!
You’re so welcome Heidi! All of these stories really do help fill in the gaps. You are one of the very few people who knew him early on. And, considering your personal accounts and recollections of Keith’s early behavior, it certainly is right in line with everything else we know and have heard about him.
Thought this may amuse you…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA5vMRRJWyQ
You can’t make this crap up
I must be one of the top two problem solvers in the world since I saw clearly that Keith was a fraud and not very intelligent. Keith understood this and stayed clear of me since I had really studied Philosophy rather than read the Cliff Notes
Anyone that can’t pass a drivers test cannot comprehend philosophical writings
Bottom line is there are a lot of women out there that will do and believe anything for a dick!
“who will do anything for a dick” ??!!!
Who said anything about a dick? These girls I’m talking about weren’t looking for “dick,” my friend. They were looking for everything but “dick.” Keith came off as their MENTOR, their spiritual guide, GURU, a daddy figure and, if you understood his “soft” demeanor, a mommy figure too. He portrayed himself as their helper, their savior, their EMPOWERER, their General in the battle of youthful rebellion, their VANGUARD!!
For a long time Keith declared he was even “a celibate.” A renunciation, too. Whatever ”dicking” went on was purely all part of healing and spiritual awakening. It was a true love — predestined to continue to infinity and beyond.
In short, it was RAPE of mind, body and spirit.
And, somehow, I think you already know that. So, don’t dick with us.
Also, did you catch Agnifilo’s interview about how Keith just liked to snuggle and hug, show affection and caring? There wasn’t any dickery mentioned at that point. I guess something emerged to change that tact?
I realized he had a Harem one minute into meeting him. His handshake was limp as I’ve heard was his penis.
Mentor, guru, father figure, long haired Jesus, not what I saw. He was a lying fraud with his army of skinny long haired women love bombing anyone with money at the intensives.
When he did make appearances for his hour of Vanguard questions and answers , his responses were the same stale shallow mumbo jumbo bull. Not too many deep thoughts coming from that Vanguard brain!! Snore..zzzzzzz
You can fool some of the people some of the time. Didn’t fool this person
This comment strikes me as an effort to shame those who WERE “fooled” from coming forward because they would then have to face and admit to that reality.
That’s difficult enough as it is without the likes of you rubbing it in by boasting about how you knew KAR had a harem “one minute after you met him.” Lemme guess how you knew. He reeked of Pizza, Hot Sauce and Pussy sans Garlic? Lol.
This comment represents exactly the kind of psyche-out manipulation tactics Nancy and Keith et al excelled at which made them very, very slick con artists and able to “fool” so many intelligent, good-hearted, normal people – some at the top of their field.
Most Nx-ers likely didn’t suspect anything afoul because such abhorrent, aberrant behavior as Keith and Nancy et al dealt in would never begin to occur to a normal person. How could anyone suspect something they can’t conceive of because they’ve never been exposed to anything like.
Not like it might occur to the truly “criminal minded” — or to one who represents such devious minds. That’s why so many were fooled — because of their innocent minds — not because they’re “fools,” otherwise.
Also, you might want to bone-up on psycho’s — they can “fool” the most sophisticated lie detector tests.
Finally, since you mention Keith’s alleged limp dick, that’s gotta be the most pathetic sex crime defense I’ve ever heard of. Especially in the age of Viagra. And how would anyone know if they weren’t already reeled into KAR’s sex lairs to confront it?
Oh, right, limp handshake, limp dick, no possibility for rape. Got it. Now, there’s a fine tip for sex offenders to dupe girls and boys into thinking they’re safe. Shake softly ye rapists.
Hey, who knows, maybe the limp dick defense will become as infamous as the “Twinkie Defense” some day.
One more Keith lie
He would tell everyone “I’m as poor as a church mouse.”
This disgusts me. It sounds like he couldn’t handle anything that took a little patience or studying. Too busy sleeping, having sex, or playing the commodities market. Making everyone else do all the work. Keep these anecdotes coming, Heidi! They help paint the full picture.
I totally agree, OCD. It’s like he turned into this little disgusting annoying horny geeky brat when puberty set in. His life is basically over at 58 years old. Done. In many ways, it’s really sad how much he influenced others. I’m actually more curious now about this whole hypnosis stuff that Nancy claimed to study from her professors. I’d guess Nancy taught Keith the same skills. Clare was nothing more than a cash cow and totally seduced. Sold.
Like you said. It disgusts me too.
I’m sure there’s a picture of keith in which he pulls a ‘Mothman face’
How does Little Lord KAR’s story make any sense. If his brain was so powerful that it set off radar detectors, how is being in the drivers seat vs the passenger seat make a difference?
He would be unable to be in a car or get anywhere without constantly being pulled over just by being in a vehicle.
Maybe he wore a tin foil hat in order to not set off a radar detector which would mean he could drive. It doesn’t take a genius to know his story was bogus.
Laughing because don’t you think any of the women, at least those of us old enough to have a license, who had to drive the arrogant SOB around — and often to rendezvous with other girls — ever asked themselves the same question?
Oh, but it was a highly rewarded honor and privilege to be entrusted with possessing the motor skills, the daring and dexterity, to counteract such potent supernatural forces and safely deliver the precious cargo to its destination.
If you’re out to make logical sense of any of this w/o considering ego gratification, competitiveness, jealousy and other tools of manipulation, better put your shrink on speed dial cause you’re in for a bumpy ride.