On this Thanksgiving Day, NXIVM victims have a lot to be thankful for.
Keith Raniere – who a year ago was in Mexico with his sex slaves and using Clare Bronfman to threaten his enemies – is now in custody and faces life in prison. He is no longer a threat to many victims.
The bully, who used Bronfman’s wealth to terrorize people he targeted, is now the target of a federal prosecution that seems likely to land him in prison for decades to come. Meantime, the judge who is presiding over his case, the Hon. Nicholas G. Garaufis, denied him bail in June and will likely deny him bail on his second application.
When it comes to the other defendants, who are all outside of prison walls this holiday – it is hard to feel the same concern as to the amount of danger they pose to society.
Clare Bronfman, of course, with her wealth, is a dangerous creature, willing to perjure herself and destroy others’ lives. It is fitting that she – with all her money – is unable to buy herself out of this problem.
It seems that for justice to be served, Clare should not be able to walk free and hurt others, at least not until she has made restitution to her victims and sincerely repented.
As for Nancy Salzman, Lauren Salzman, Allison Mack, and Kathy Russell? This is hard for me to judge. None of them worked actively to destroy my life, as far as I know. I can’t judge for others. On the other hand, they all enabled a sinister creature and somehow, I suspect, they believed they were justified. That in itself is dangerous.
I suspect there is both victim and villain in all of them. Day to day, these women might have thought they were working for the cause of good, but somewhere inside they must have known that the lies and the proclivities of the man they took their marching orders from was evil.
How did they ignore him going after their former friends with a vengeance that seemed entirely disproportionate to the purported offense? How do you explain his hunting the mother of his first child; the savage attacks on longtime lovers; the suing of people who helped build his company; the deaths of former lovers; the disappearance of one woman; the allegations of rape and statutory rape; and the loss of tens of millions on the investments he guided?
Sure, he’s a great conman but no one is so good that his inner circle can claim, after years of working with him, they knew nothing about his dark side.
Take Lauren Salzman. She was promised an avatar baby. Instead, he gets other women pregnant and she helps in the cover-up.
She even counsels a woman, Ivy Nevares – who Keith also promised an avatar baby – counseling her to keep working on her issues – and promising that he will impregnate her someday – without telling her that she herself was promised an avatar baby. And that Keith was lying to her. And meantime, Lauren – while laughing at how gullible Ivy is – fails to see it in herself.
In order to believe that NXIVM was good, you had to swallow the notion that the end justifies the means. And that Raniere’s ruthless, dishonest and vicious methods would somehow bring about a more noble civilization.
If you believed that, you are rather stupid. And stupid is a word that often comes to mind when I think of the followers of Raniere. So, does brainwashed.
Was Kathy Russel stupid to believe in Raniere? Was she part evil? Did she just not care that he went after her old friends? Did she not realize he would do the same to her if she tried to leave?
Maybe it was selfishness. Maybe he cut off all her friends and family without her realizing it and now she was stuck. Maybe even comfortable. This was her life. These were her new friends and her new family. Kathy used to show films to – and play chess with – her NXIVM family. These were not evil deeds. She also used to clean up his sex lair – after the ladies he bedded went home and Keith went to sleep – which he did most of the day.
She knew what a promiscuous man he was. Yet, how many times did she not let on, did she lie by omission or outright lie about Keith being a renunciate – a man above all carnal desires? Was that lie for the greater good?
When she saw Keith grooming some new lady, her being fooled into thinking she would be the only one, did Kathy ever say to this blushing new, slender, naive woman that Keith was conning her? That he had done this same thing dozens of times? Maybe even did it to her once? Long ago. She knew but did she tell the young lady – who just went on a diet and was growing her hair long, and was misty eyed when speaking about him in hushed tones – all the telltale signs that he was grooming her – that Keith would court her and fool her and then, after she was hooked, after she fell in love with her idea of him, she would find out: He was having sex with 20 other women.? Did Kathy take the woman aside and tell her those things?
No, I rather think our Kathy looked the other way. Filling her head with her work and her notion that Keith’s technology would help her become a better ballerina or chess player. And create a better world. And maybe having sex with him – in the sex lair – once a year – on her birthday was consolation enough for any misgivings in her heart.
Kathy saw the women come and go and let them get fooled. Some of them stayed and some of them left. Some of them left rather hurt that he lied to them. Some left rather frightened for what he threatened to do to them. Some were hunted down and were destroyed or nearly destroyed. And some stayed on promises, lies really, that he would one day father a child with them or make them number one or any such lie that would fool them and suck them in further. Kathy knew all this. She watched them come and go. And said nothing to the women. In that sense, it was a little selfish. She was looking out for herself and allowing Raniere to look out for himself.
Much of that occurred in NXIVM.
As for Nancy. Here was a woman who knew much. She knew about the smuggling of money. She knew about the fake marriages, the illegal immigration. She supported Keith in manipulation and punishing lots of people who were dependent upon them. She enjoyed being number 2. She enjoyed being almost worshiped and regarded as an oracle, a great lady, a woman of profound wisdom, a woman who knew so much, she could see right through you and could teach you great secrets.
She had to lie a thousand times to cover up for Raniere. He was having sex with her and she had to pretend he was monk-like. He had sex with her daughter and she had to believe that he would have the avatar child with her daughter. Otherwise, she is a monster too. Equal with him, or maybe worse. She had to find some kernel of hope that he was better than any rational person would believe if they judged a man by his actions and not by his words.
Nancy did all his bidding for 20 years. Never questioned the pain he caused others. She was living like a queen in NXIVM – at least on the surface. She was the Prefect. She was not to be questioned by the others. Next to Keith, she was the most enlightened, the wisest, next to him, the possessor of the most secret knowledge that could be conveyed from the smartest man in the world. And she was the one chosen to convey the message because only she had grasped his supreme wisdom. And what is more – by giving her tribute, she could share some of this – you too could be wise like her- if you gave her tribute. She held the keys – because she had glimpsed it – to what Raniere possessed and was eager to share it [for money and/or sex for Keith].
Maybe she got trapped over time. Living the life for 20 years. Having both of her daughters and her son-in-law in the group. All dependent on the income Keith permitted them to have.
And Keith knew how to pit one against the other. If Nancy was out if line, he offered something to Lauren and she nudged her mother. Or chastised her. If Lauren was off kilter in his opinion, Keith egged the mother to set her straight – or else. He even had them competing with each other. He was smart. He almost never had them both in the doghouse together.
They should consider that. All the times they were in the doghouse. But never both of them at the same time. These were women who were hooked and hooked long ago.
Nancy supported her daughters breaking off their relationship with their own father – because Keith got between them. Because Keith wanted Lauren’s father – Dr. Michael Salzman – to fire an ex NXIVM member who was one of his employees – who had become, in Keith’s mind, one of the enemies of NXIVM. The father would not fire the woman for he thought she did not deserve to be fired from his employ.
Keith commanded it and when Nancy insisted that he fire the woman and he refused, she led her daughters – to cut off their own father – cut him out of their lives – to show loyalty to Keith. Keith above father. And they justified this. And for nine years, they spoke not one word to their father – these daughters of Nancy Salzman.
I wonder now that Lauren is in jeopardy, if she ever stopped to wonder if she arrived in the fork in the road that led to hell starting on the day she took the path that denied her father, in favor of a man she knew was a stone-cold liar. Sure, Lauren was making good money — maybe more than she could make elsewhere in a world where they do not worship Vanguards. Maybe money kept her in. Maybe hope for that avatar child.
And maybe glory kept Nancy in. Maybe complacency kept Kathy in.
As for Clare, I think she honestly felt that Keith was the only one who loved her not for her money. Sure, laugh at that. It is laughable. But suppose this lonely and homely woman with little brains and lots of money, who maybe never had a person look twice at her other than for her money, honestly thought that Keith was different. That all his noble talk of a better society meant not nearly as much to her as the fact that he cared about her – not for her money.
That he wanted her – her – for herself. That even if she had nothing, even if she gave every last penny to him; or lost it all, he would still have her at his side and he would take care of both of them.
It is stupid, of course, but people do a lot of stupid things under the spell of their delusions. This was her delusion and her spark of joy – that he loved her. This allowed her to be cruel to everyone else. And to be cheap and narrow and exacting and frightening. She would lie for him. She would steal for him, perhaps she would even kill for him or overlook his killing of others in body or in spirit. His attempts to lure women to their doom in Mexico. If she know about it, my guess is she would have approved because he wanted it and that the world’s great mission could be accomplished sooner.
But even that was secondary. Primary was that she could show him that she was loyal to him, that her money or safety meant almost nothing. It was he who loved her that counted.
But even this was secondary. Her real glory was Keith. She did not look at him as a lover. She looked at him as her daddy. And believed in his power like children do. How she feels now is hard to say. She has a lot of time to think alone in home confinement, cut off from him and from most of the people she associated with – most of them she ruled and I rather suspect she misses them more than they miss her.
Could she ever come out of this? Could she ever realize that the man she followed who is likely to ruin the rest of her life – is a scoundrel? That he never loved her and the moment she had no wealth – she would be disposable. That he gave her important work to do only because she helped fund the work. That he manipulated and blamed her for his failures, much like he did with Nancy.
I will always remember the story of how when the NXIVM 9 left – nine women left NXIVM – because of his promiscuity. If anyone was at fault, Keith was at fault, but he blamed Nancy and demoted her in favor of Clare. It was a perfect solution to his big blunder – of getting caught having sex with numbers of women in his organization, students, member of the NXIVM board [if they were slender enough]. And the nine women discovering the extent of this – and how it was dangerous to the organization – decided to leave. Keith blamed it on Nancy. And to make sure of Clare – he promoted her to the number two position in NXIVM – behind the scenes [keeping Nancy as number #1 for the rank and file] and gave Clare the opportunity she soon learned to love so much – to be the bad cop, while he played the martyr.
Should Clare have understood this? She probably did not. She was too invested in her relationship with him. She assumed the role of cruelty for the sake of showing loyalty. Perhaps in time, she enjoyed the cruelty almost as much as showing her loyalty to Keith.
Why would an heiress with hundreds of millions of dollars perjure herself over trifles in court – and risk getting caught? Why would she lie on visa applications, or hack into her father’s computer and spy on him for Raniere? Why did she help Raniere smuggle money? Or use Pam Cafritz’s credit card? She had all the money to pay for these things. She did not do this for money. She did this to show loyalty and because, in her foolish head, because she thought he cared about her.
Maybe fool that he is, he might have thought that because he signed nothing, that he actually had something over Clare. That if he ever had to go after her, as he had done to others – he had something illegal he could hold over her head. He could take her down, despite her money. I guess he never reckoned on RICO – and that he, despite not having his name on anything – could wind up being held the most culpable.
As for Allision Mack, she is a pathetic creature. Like he did for Clare, Keith brought out all the worst elements in her. It was a remarkable fall for this lady. She was an actress who had somehow crafted a TV character and persona of goodness and honesty, and he provoked her lascivious side and made her a creature of lust. He exploited her bisexual nature and whipped her up and then gave her a carrot.
She wanted to be his woman; he led her to believe she would be number 1. Then he used her beauty and fame to lure in other women. In no time at all, he had her running as his main pimp woman. It came at a propitious time. Pam Cafritz who had done all this before was dying. Pam too was bisexual, and Pam worked hard – you might say she killed herself – to get attractive women into his bed. And, occasionally, into her own bed.
Whether Keith trained Pam to be bisexual or whether she came to it willingly, she became that, a wing woman, who got some of the leftovers. So did Allison.
Keith may have taught Allison to love to bed other women or she may have wanted this anyway. But she got it and that too was part of the reward. He manipulated women to be under her thrall. Not only his thrall but hers too. This was his cleverness. But it was also his big blunder. For they went farther than Pam and Keith. Allison and Keith took it to new extremes.
He had Sara Bronfman occupied with running his experimental Rainbow Cultural Gardens – and Clare running operations for NXIVM. He had 400 people pay $2,000 each to spend 10 days celebrating his birthday. He had Emiliano Salinas and Alex Betancourt – two men he had pushed into being lovers, running the NXIVM operations in Mexico and smuggling cash for him in and out of the country. And he had a famous actress, Allison Mack, pimping for him. Pam was on the way out – and he had her make her will to leave everything to him in trust.
Now he needed and felt he could achieve it – a way to make it easier for him to control more women. He was getting older. He was 55. On occasion, he found that despite his tricks and the tricks of the wing women who enabled him, some of the younger women did not really find him attractive. Not in the way he wanted. They thought of him as an older man and a teacher but did not crave sex with him.
And then too he had become impotent. All those years with all those women and possibly venereal diseases – prevented him from being the old studly he always thought himself to be.
Faced with being older and less virile, but not less egoistic, he concocted a perfect retirement package for himself. DOS. He would make women slaves. He would appoint a group of loyal women who would do anything for him at any time. And use them to recruit more women and then he could command them – by virtue of the rules of the organization – that they and their slaves too – must have sex with him any time he commanded.
It was wild,.It was capricious. But with victory all around him. Law enforcement not wanting to touch him. Innocent people indicted. And Allison able to recruit and actually pull this off – he launched DOS.
And because Allison got to recruit brand spanking new women which she controlled, she went for it with gusto. This was now her new life work. She did not mind him having other women, but she wanted to be number one.
For Keith, if he was to be the only man, in the henhouse, and impotent at that, he realized he had to get the women into bisexuality. For Allison, she wanted him, and he supplanted that with her being the top woman in secret slave group – with lots of commands to have sex on demand.
For Allison, she soon realized she had to be both sweet and hard depending on what it took to control women – many of whom were deceived – by Keith’s design – to join the DOS group because they thought it was a group of all women – a true sorority. They were not told that a man was at the head and was likely going to command Allison to command them to have sex with him.
Allison – led in part by her love for Keith, in part by her lust and in part by her bisexual nature now growing in her, and being given free reign, and more power – found her niche.
When she was an actress, she had fame but little power. Now she was a leader of a group of women who were her slaves. And the purported goal of this was to empower women. To make women better – to make the world better. This factored in too.
And it was fun. When she terrified the Jane Doe women, she might have justified it as not so terrifying. She might have been thinking that she was just helping Jane get past her control issues. Being taught is often unpleasant for the student. And Allison may have thought that she was getting glorious women for the bed of her male lover, her dominant master and for her bed too. She was 80 shades of grey and working on 100.
You may ask how she could have been so delusional. Part of it was because of Keith’s ability to appeal to a woman’s latent desires.
Take Lauren for instance – who also joined the sex-slave cult. Lauren wanted a child, to be a mother. He promised her that. She wanted to be a teacher, a therapist like her mother – for the good self-satisfying feeling of helping others and being acknowledged with respect as a professional. Keith gave Lauren the latter and held out hope for the former.
For all of them, he assessed their desires and their character and gave them some of what they desired and offered hope for the rest. But there was yet another factor that kept them enslaved.
Keith kept them thin with low protein and low-calorie diets. This concept he mastered. All of them, even Nancy, even Pam, all of them, he kept the pressure on, and he used women to pressure other women too. With Allison, he made it an art form. But with all of them, over all the years, they were forced to eat little. Too little. In the old days, he even padlocked refrigerators – and kept the key. And for years he shunned women for gaining a pound or two.
He would get a woman to leave her job, her home, her family, sometimes her husband, and promise her a monogamous life and maybe a baby. Then, he would force upon her his idea of slender in a woman. He would begin to deprive her of food in the name of ideal beauty.
Weak undernourished women are pliable women. And it they are tired too, they are even more susceptible to doing things that just months before they met him – had anybody asked them – they would have recoiled at the notion that they would do such things as, for instance, be part of a harem.
And then there was sleep deprivation. How come Nancy fell asleep at NXIVM gatherings? Why did Allison fall asleep at meetings? Even prior to DOS, he was on them not to sleep much. He disguised this manipulation as hope. That a person who is fully unified like he was did not need much sleep and, of course, he lied that he rarely slept much himself. He gave it out that he slept just two hours per night and all the women, if they wanted to advance in NXIVM, in the life, in this respect and with honor – they had to sleep as little as him.
Of course, he was lying. He didn’t sleep little. He slept a lot – seven, eight, nine hours a day. The women of NIXVM were in a state of perpetual sleep deprivation. While he slept as much as he liked.
As for food, he also ate just as he liked. He deprived himself of nothing. While women were suffering bone loss and hair loss and premature menopause from eating too little, he was stuffing his face with pizza and hot sauce. They would eat calorie free squash and he would eat macaroni and cheese and chocolate cake.
The point is that the women were proud of their low-cal diets. He was proud of fooling them. So everyone suffered and no one suffered. All the defendants got just the life they wanted. It’s hard to say they were brainwashed. Whatever that means. They hypnotized themselves that they were doing good, yet part of them knew they were not nearly as unselfish as they pretended. Keith helped to remind then of this too – that they were weak and fickle and only more obedience to him would cure it.
Maybe part of them knew that Keith was not as unselfish as he pretended. Or maybe they did not know.
Keith’s greatest teaching to them was that ethics meant nothing more than consistency. To be the same. The highest ethics then could be to consistently lie for the sake of the mission. It didn’t somehow come under the dominion of analysis by these women, these defendants, that a mission that required so much lying and secrecy was a corrupt one, that the lies and secrecy were meant to serve the leader and not the world. That there were no noble civilizations built on lies. Or that the cornerstone of ethics is truth.
But to see it from their point of view, behind the sleep deprivation, they saw themselves as becoming more evolved – as if no sleep might do that for them. Behind food deprivation was the ideal body for a woman, as inspiration for men and women both. Behind the manipulation of women for sex and servitude to a man was the idea that this sex – even coerced or obtained through deception – was a form of wondrous spiritual therapy – healing and growth. That behind the slavery to a man was ultimately female empowerment as if in order to learn to command first learn to obey.
Behind the secret sex cult DOS was that this was for women’s good. Behind the power, the lawsuits, the tricks, the lies to students and lovers was the idea that this was for their good – both the world and the women themselves.
In the end, it was a perfect stew of self-interest, hoped-for altruism, and lust. And the only one who really understood that there was only self-interest and lust was the man who operated everything.
On this Thanksgiving Day, I, for one, am thankful that justice has placed each one of the defendants in the most appropriate place. Keith is where he belongs — in a cage. Lauren, Nancy, and especially Clare, are cooped up in their homes, allowed out only a few hours per week. They are not suffering as much as Keith but they are still rgreatly estricted – especially Clare – from harming others or intimating them or even holding their lying-ethical organization together.
And the lowest in rank of them all, the hapless Kathy Russell – a real nobody in the organization – who just happened to sign her name on things and helped accomplish illegal things only because she was told to – of all the defendants, she has the most freedom. She can go out all day and just must be home at night.
That’s perfect.
And more than perfect perhaps is that the guy who claimed he was the smartest of them all, the master manipulator, who put his name on nothing, thinking that if ever the shit hit the fan [which it did], he would be off the hook – since he signed nothing. Boy, did he miscalculate. He’s the one spending Thanksgiving in prison.
So perhaps on Thanksgiving or maybe on Christmas, something magical will happen. I really hope it will. I hope that the codefendants begin to realize they were stooges for him. That there was really nothing more to NXIVM than him and his selfish desires. That even any good he might have done to help another was not done for the sake of being good but so that people would think him good.
If NXIVM happened to help a few, or many, if the teachings, a hodgepodge of other people’s teachings and a little of his – if it helped people – that was not the goal. The goal was him – his ego. To get tribute and worship and obedience and sex and power and every whim of his carried out by others as if it were a sacred trust and a duty to fulfill.
My wish for the defendants is that they eat hearty, sleep well and for as long as they please and begin to realize this: That Keith Raniere was not who they thought he is, and that the sooner they recognize it, most probably the sooner they can begin to heal and seek freedom.
And finally get freedom.
Happy Thanksgiving
Is that turkey fully cooked?
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Dot’t waste time on a lonely fools nutty radio fantasy. I can reach more people talking across the fence to my neighbor than your 1 watt kool-aid stand will ever reach. Keep spinning asswipe.
Yeah you get sucked into that universe and just go ‘round and around
Leon, you’re welcome. Think of Flowerpot as a spinning top, give her a twirl and watch her keep spinning, and spinning, and spinning. Whatever you do, do NOT take her seriously. It hurts the brain if you do.
These comments are what you get when nutjobs who use the name Nutjob post comments here.
Mitch, it takes the right frame of mind to interact with Flowerpot. Keep in mind that she’s crazy and anxious to ensure everyone knows that she’s crazy, so I just facilitate her.
This excerpt from the gaslighting article explains what you are doing here Scott (and a few others….):
[10. They tell you or others that you are crazy.
This is one of the most effective tools of the gaslighter, because it’s dismissive. The gaslighter knows if they question your sanity, people will not believe you when you tell them the gaslighter is abusive or out-of-control. It’s a master technique.]
Your gaslighting techniques don’t work on me, as I’m already very familiar with these techniques (which were already attempted on me by the people who harassed me previously) and who were stupid enough to reveal to me that they read FR, just before the trolling started here.
But have fun, alt-right cult members.
Your days are numbered, and you’re too stupid to realize it.
PS
Avenatti is gonna kick your fellow cult members lying asses, and you can bet that I’m going to enjoy the show!
PPS
Eat shit, Allie, you whacked-out criminal bitch.
Get pretty much everything.
Lose the logical argument and resort to stupid comments. Good move, Commissioner. LOL
Hey fuzznuts, the commish made you look like a complete fool. Probably the easiest task in his whole life.
No fool here dipshit. Saying you are insane Sootie is being factual, so I will keep posting.
Go ahead and keep posting your stupid comments, I know you’re too big of a coward to come on my radio show, because I would make you look like the fool that you are. LOL
Let me echo to Frank what a great article this was. And a special thank you for the volleyball picture. In addition to the obvious, I liked how this picture showed the other poor male sap who was there at midnight. I noticed that dude forgot his knee pads. Maybe someone could do an EM with him to help his memory? I empathize with his fake smile. I’d be trying to pass time by bouncing that cool volleyball, too. Is that someone stretching in the background? What I’m trying to say is we need a full article to dissect this golden picture. And if anyone is holding out with other volleyball pix – stop.
Nobody gives a flying fuck about you fuzznuts. If someone came to your trailer and gave you a .45 caliber enema, the world we be a better place
The world would be a better place.
Is that what you were shooting for in your excitement?
Give the Commissioner a break, Mitch. It’s hard to type while wearing a straight-jacket.
My comments were for Scooter Johnson
Let The Record Show
Thanks for taking the time and posting that. It’s not as rude as I remember but did prompt the response that Flowers tried to pass as my initial interaction with her.
And as anyone can see I never named Flowers in my unkind post.
Thanks again
And anyone can see you replied to me on my earlier post. So Mitch, if it wasn’t about me, who was it about?
Relax Flowerpot, it’s always about you. Especially when it isn’t about you.
You’re welcome Mitch. I have been reading here for a while and this Flowers is always pointing fingers and yelling prove it but proving it isn’t enough. She twists things in order to make herself believe she is always the wronged party in any exchange on this blog. I understand from what others have advised it’s best to just ignore Flowers and move along but that’s sometimes hard to do when someone tries to elevate the discussion here and I trodu e real facts.
Don’t know what happened at the end of that post. I apologize.
Wrong, moron troll.
I only point out that the bullies engage me first or insult me first (as Mitch did) and then they pretend they didn’t do so. If I have to cut and paste to prove it, I will.
I only do it show how totally unhinged you trolls are becoming…it’s hilarious!
You can only cover your asses for so long, stalkers. …do you think no one else is reading this and watching you?
Lol!!
Anne, I agree that you’re a lightweight. I suggest you go away and let the adults handle it.
Commissioner Gordon, how has Batman doing lately? Where was all of the protesting when my address was posted? I’m just a regular guy getting MLMs shut down, Mack is an obvious criminal and you want to protect her. You have it backwards.
Allow me to pre-empt Flowerpot’s response: Anonymous, why are you trolling me? You know nothing about me. You state as fact that I should be banned, but it’s just an opinion. Do you know the difference between a fact and an opinion? I didn’t think so, you stinky cunt whore. LOL
Preemption doesn’t work. She will accuse you of lies or libel or stalking her or being obsessed with her. Attacking or bullying her. Then Frank will be asked why and implored to ban you and all your aliases. Regardless if you post what offended her to begin with under your only identity.
It does pass the time though.
I think of it as entertainment at the dead times during a football game.
I’m thinking they both hit 70
Since you keep discussing me Mitch, you are starting to sound obsessed.
I never called anyone a stinky cunt whore. I said “she” was a lying cunt. If she wants to invent fake bullshit about me, she deserves that name.
Wow Frank! What an in depth and thought provoking piece. Well done!
Well I’m Mitch Garrity. Not Mitch, Mitchell, Mitch Garrity III. I’m not Shadowstate or posting under any other identities here on Frank Report. I’ll call out ignorance and uninformed opinions, especially if they’re passionate opinions on subjects the person knows little about. I don’t make cute little plays on a person’s name they use to post with, I rarely call someone vulgar names or make vulgar remarks.
I don’t complain about lies directly made about me or implied. I don’t complain about the articles Frank post or ask him to ban people. I don’t clog the comments complaining about someone clogging the comments.
I don’t tell Frank how to run his blog
I’m Mitch Garrity
Have at it
Heres some vulgar ones, Mitch.
….pretty rude, since all I did was comment on the meaning of free speech.
Mitch Garrity
November 22, 2018 at 7:35 am
Ahh freedom of speech, lies and libel. All very distinct things as is opinion. An opinion is not necessarily a lie or a fact.
If I call someone a moronic bitch is it a lie or a fact?
I could be in serious trouble if I wrote that an insane twat was sneaking around my house in the dead of night or that this delusional mouth breather had committed some other crime and specifically named her, causing harm to her character, reputation or earning ability.
That hasn’t happened to this obviously intellectually challenged douchenozzle though that still can’t grasp freedom of speech, Frank’s willingness to let people post their remarks and rebuttals and not being pressured by people with entitlement issues how to run his blog
REPLY
That’s exactly what I was referring to when I said usually. It was after you commented in a rude and ugly fashion when I tried nicely to explain freedom of speech. You disagreed, called me names etc.
You’ve been told twice you are wrong about libel. You complain about lies written about you. I haven’t complained I’ve simply responded setting the record straight. As when you like many on here accused me of posting as other identities.
It’s a waste of time though. You are guilty of many of the things listed under the article about gaslighting you posted.
I answer questions and give my opinion on the articles. I’m done sparring with people that just want to fight and troll.
AS I said have at it
Flowerpot will probably never get it.
Get what? That Mitch just lied about me?….No, I got that, and I proved it.
Another lie, Mitch
Notice the times stated on these 2 posts:
Mitch Garrity
November 22, 2018 at 7:35 am
Ahh freedom of speech, lies and libel. All very distinct things as is opinion. An opinion is not necessarily a lie or a fact.
If I call someone a moronic bitch is it a lie or a fact?
I could be in serious trouble if I wrote that an insane twat was sneaking around my house in the dead of night or that this delusional mouth breather had committed some other crime and specifically named her, causing harm to her character, reputation or earning ability.
That hasn’t happened to this obviously intellectually challenged douchenozzle though that still can’t grasp freedom of speech, Frank’s willingness to let people post their remarks and rebuttals and not being pressured by people with entitlement issues how to run his blog
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Flowers
November 22, 2018 at 12:24 pm
Stating that I support FGM , as Clicky just wrote about me, is a lie, not an opinion. He’s written many other lies about me as well. But calling you a moronic bully, Mitch, IS an opinion. If I stated that you were a gay pedophile who had raped several children, that would be a lie.
See the difference?
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My reply is written several hours after your reply, where you call me several vulgar names.
You forgot this one Flowers
Flowers
November 22, 2018 at 2:16 am
Mitch, since when does freedom.of speech means someone is allowed to.post complete LIES about another person? Obviously you have no concept of what freedom of speech means, do you? Do you understand libel law, little Mitchy?
The local yokel here, aka Clicky , aka Toodles, is not exercising freedom.of speech, he’s committing libel. He has just stated totally untrue and totally malicious statements about me, and if he had done so on a forum where we use our real names, I could sue him for defamation of character and win.
For your information Clicky FGM has been illegal in Canada for more than 20 years (which you should know, since you earlier claimed to be Canadian)
Is there some reason why you write such idiotic bullshit lies about me, Clicky?
(But no, you’re not obsessed with me all….)
You mad that I called you balding the other day?😂🤣😃
Truth hurts, doesn’t it Clicky?
I’m not hunting down the nasty response. I’m done with this crap.
I did call you vulgar names. After the nasty response. And using things you had said were lies but you recognized it was you I was talking about. I never used your identity in that post. Yet you knew it was you that vulgarity was directed at.
I’m done flowers. You win. Im not any of the things you accused me of, not posting as the other Mitch or Mitchell’s. Didn’t make up things about you or accuse you of doing things you didn’t do but you win.
Scott weren’t you accused by flowers of posting using other identities? She accused Heidi of not being Heidi. Frank verified that. She’s accused many others of the same. She’s accused people of following here from other sites and harassing her. She’s accused Frank of censoring her post but allowing others to lie and be bullies to her. She accuses Just Sayin of lying though I don’t know how that could be known. Accusing someone of lying is much different than just not believing someone. I don’t know if there are many here that she hasn’t accused of something.
I pointed out Frank allowed post because of freedom of speech. Flowers got nasty and attempted to school me on freedom of speech. She was wrong. I explained how she was wrong with some salty language. She obviously doesn’t like being wrong. Or being shown she is wrong. She will keep coming at me and anyone that disagrees with what she has said. She’ll make things up using language like she knows this person’s true identity. She’ll call them names or apply nicknames to them. She’ll make remarks of a sexual nature or remarks about their virility or physical appearance. When called out she claims “they started it” and she’s just dishing out like she got.
You win Flowers
What was wrong with that post? Mitch had said that women should never be offended any verbal abuse dished out by men. According to Mitch, words are not offensive. So he can call me names like “douchnozzle” and I should not be offended. But calling Mitch little Mitchy, is, apparently, very offensive to Mitch?
C’mon Mitch, what’s good for the goose is also good for the gander.
In other words, Mitch is a normal guy. One of very few on this wackjob website comment section.
Hello Mitch – Welcome. Do you have any connection with NXIVM? Or are you simply attracted to FR for a personal reason, like Scott, Flowers, and Thomas?
Thomas is here because he can pick up information on Allie Wack to aid in his ability to stalk her more efficiently. Scooter and flowerchild are basically two cheeks on the same ass with the hole in the middle as a shared brain. They are trolls with nothing better t do in life but agitate internet forums.
I’m fascinated with human behavior. The comments are amazing here. The behavior of those posting fascinates me.
Then you are wasting your time. Here’s the Cliff Notes. There are 3 people who post on this site. They have no connection with anything and desperately want attention. Everyone else either is watching the train wreck (like you), or is interested in the developments of the train wreck because they used to be a part of it. Those who used to be a part of it don’t use real names because they don’t want to go on a fake kayaking trip. Those who post with vile are typically aiming it at the first three (who usually ask for it and deserve it).
The wreck is fascinating and entertaining. I even started to get sucked in. Human behavior. I’ve been reading the comments since June or so. Recently seeing a certain poster who repeatedly makes the same claims against different people do the same again, I felt compelled to respond. As seen above. It’s all very interesting
The truth, Mitch Garrity, is that many here believe that there are certain posters using names similar to Handjob, that pretend to be exNex, but are really just lying. Then they use that pretend experience as an excuse to post here. Why? Who knows, but most here believe they are incarcerated in either a prison or mental health facility. Its best to ignore these paranoid delusional posters, or they will mess with your head.
To ShitOnYouTrolls – One of the purposes of this site used to be for former NXIVM members to share and discuss experiences. FR has turned into the Shadow, Scott, Flower shit show. Ever since Flowers arived, as soon as somebody exNex posts something, the “YOU ARE A LIAR” posts start. That’s a big reason why few exNex post here anymore. Why do you think I am lying about what I post? Are you exNex and you disagree with some of my posts? Or do you just not believe me?
Excellent summation, nutjob.
Nutjob
I told you before I was posting here since Oct 2017. I posted here without issue until April 2018, when I started to be trolled.
If you are too stupid to believe me or understand what that means, that’s your problem, not mine.
Flowers, I remember the day you made your grand fucked up entrance to FR. Nobody called you crazy then or told you that you were on the wrong trail. But I can assure you, we all new you were on a wild goose chase. No idea why you’ve stayed here. But I think I speak for everyone when I invite you to go back where you can from.
Nutjob- How long have you been commenting on this blog? I find your comments to be a good mix of thoughtful and sarcastic (when the situation arises). I thought I had maybe been too quick to label some of the posters here so I decided to go back and have a look at the archives as Flowers had suggested. I agree there were a lot of people commenting who had been on the inside and it gave a casual reader insight. It is such a shame these people have left but I do see why and it does seem related to certain people making comments. I just wanted you to know you and the others who have stayed are valued.
Thank you, Leon. I’ve been here since the beginning. Since before Frank took like a 6 month break. Am now posting way more than before and under a consistent name.
In light of what is often posted in the comments section, I thought this article might interest some readers:
11 Warning Signs of GaslightingGaslighting is a manipulation tactic used to gain power. And it works too well.
Posted Jan 22, 2017
Stephanie A. Sarkis Ph.D.
Gaslighting is a tactic in which a person or entity, in order to gain more power, makes a victim question their reality. It works much better than you may think. Anyone is susceptible to gaslighting, and it is a common technique of abusers, dictators, narcissists, and cult leaders. It is done slowly, so the victim doesn’t realize how much they’ve been brainwashed. For example, in the movie Gaslight (1944), a man manipulates his wife to the point where she thinks she is losing her mind.
In my book Gaslighting: Recognize Manipulative and Emotionally Abusive People – and Break Free I detail how gaslighters typically use the following techniques:
1. They tell blatant lies.
You know it’s an outright lie. Yet they are telling you this lie with a straight face. Why are they so blatant? Because they’re setting up a precedent. Once they tell you a huge lie, you’re not sure if anything they say is true. Keeping you unsteady and off-kilter is the goal.
2. They deny they ever said something, even though you have proof.
You know they said they would do something; you know you heard it. But they out and out deny it. It makes you start questioning your reality—maybe they never said that thing. And the more they do this, the more you question your reality and start accepting theirs.
3. They use what is near and dear to you as ammunition.
They know how important your kids are to you, and they know how important your identity is to you. So those may be one of the first things they attack. If you have kids, they tell you that you should not have had those children. They will tell you’d be a worthy person if only you didn’t have a long list of negative traits. They attack the foundation of your being.
4. They wear you down over time.
This is one of the insidious things about gaslighting—it is done gradually, over time. A lie here, a lie there, a snide comment every so often…and then it starts ramping up. Even the brightest, most self-aware people can be sucked into gaslighting—it is that effective. It’s the “frog in the frying pan” analogy: The heat is turned up slowly, so the frog never realizes what’s happening to it.
5. Their actions do not match their words.
When dealing with a person or entity that gaslights, look at what they are doing rather than what they are saying. What they are saying means nothing; it is just talk. What they are doing is the issue.
6. They throw in positive reinforcement to confuse you.
This person or entity that is cutting you down, telling you that you don’t have value, is now praising you for something you did. This adds an additional sense of uneasiness. You think, “Well maybe they aren’t so bad.” Yes, they are. This is a calculated attempt to keep you off-kilter—and again, to question your reality. Also look at what you were praised for; it is probably something that served the gaslighter.
7. They know confusion weakens people.
Gaslighters know that people like having a sense of stability and normalcy. Their goal is to uproot this and make you constantly question everything. And humans’ natural tendency is to look to the person or entity that will help you feel more stable—and that happens to be the gaslighter.
8. They project.
They are a drug user or a cheater, yet they are constantly accusing you of that. This is done so often that you start trying to defend yourself, and are distracted from the gaslighter’s own behavior.
9. They try to align people against you.
Gaslighters are masters at manipulating and finding the people they know will stand by them no matter what—and they use these people against you. They will make comments such as, “This person knows that you’re not right,” or “This person knows you’re useless too.” Keep in mind it does not mean that these people actually said these things. A gaslighter is a constant liar. When the gaslighter uses this tactic it makes you feel like you don’t know who to trust or turn to—and that leads you right back to the gaslighter. And that’s exactly what they want: Isolation gives them more control.
10. They tell you or others that you are crazy.
This is one of the most effective tools of the gaslighter, because it’s dismissive. The gaslighter knows if they question your sanity, people will not believe you when you tell them the gaslighter is abusive or out-of-control. It’s a master technique.
11. They tell you everyone else is a liar.
By telling you that everyone else (your family, the media) is a liar, it again makes you question your reality. You’ve never known someone with the audacity to do this, so they must be telling the truth, right? No. It’s a manipulation technique. It makes people turn to the gaslighter for the “correct” information—which isn’t correct information at all.
The more you are aware of these techniques, the quicker you can identify them and avoid falling into the gaslighter’s trap.
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Consider those who are telling blatant lies (you’re stalking me online, you’re Thomas Sekera, …..) and those who keep making statements such as “EVERYONE knows you’re crazy/a pervert/a stalker”….those are gaslighting techniques, as described in the above article.
Mike Rinder recently posted this article on his blog about Scientology….but all cults use gaslighting, not just Scientology.
That list reads like the playbook you use to operate on this blog. You are one of the biggest offenders here but fail to recognize these qualities in yourself. You think of yourself as a good and caring person who is on the side of right while you spew your venom all over the comment section. You aren’t the only one who does it but you do it almost daily. Oftentimes here you use the excuse that someone has wronged you and you think it’s payback. That isn’t how a truly good and caring person reacts. That kind of person just ignores and carries on and that’s especially true in a space where no one knows your real identit so who really cares? A cutting remark from another poster should just roll off your back. It’s different for people posting with their real identity.
You exhibit real signs of cognitive dissonance and looks like you’ve had some kind of break with reality. Please get help in the real world.
No, Festinger
I haven’t done any of this. Name one example…. (and doubting someone’s identity in an anon forum is NOT gaslighting, especially when that person tells an inconsistant story.) Obviously you are unaware that people impersonate other people and lie about their identity quite often on these types of forums.
Since you are the one sticking your nose into my business, you are the one who needs “help in the real world “.
I urge you to let someone you know irl read all the comments you have made here and let that person decide whether or not you should seek professional help. I am being earnest.
No, you’re being a dickhead.
I think you need to evaluate why you are trolling me. I never said anything about you, and you have no clue what is true about me and what is false – you’re obviously trusting the word of known liars.
Learn to think for yourself.
Leon, there is little hope for Flowerpot. Just consider her as entertainment, it’s much easier that way.
I will take your advice Scott and thank you.
Promise I’m not trolling you Flowers. Reread what Leon posted. There may be some truth to it…Maybe test out his challenge.
May be good advice for yourself, NUTJOB. ….(who has a habit of writing nasty comments to me for no reason. )
Maybe consider why you feel compelled to do that, nutjob.
To Flowers – I took your advise. Thank you. I learned that I often go too heavy on sarcasm and often get too offended at being called a liar when I’m not a liar.
That wasn’t hard, was it Nutjob? Just agree with Flowerpot and all is well.
I doubt drugs were being used especially as the story suggest. Many of the psychotropic drugs need time to build in the system. Drugs in the opioid family would not have the desired effect short of heroin. Members snorting or slamming heroin are not going to be members they’d want to have. Withhold heroin from someone and they’ll find it from someone else and whatever hold they had would be lost drug related.
The white pills found probably fueled this story and they could have been anything. Many people carry a days dosage in an extra container of some sort. They may have been Tylenol.
Mitch, I agree. Wait for the facts to come out (assuming there isn’t a plea deal, in which case almost all details will never be known), and then deal with them.
Come on Mitch and Scott – he got em rolling and they loosened up. This was a fucking sex club. Who thinks Keith was above giving his mark some MDMA?
Whatever you say Nutjob. With a name like that you must be right. I never said Keith was above giving his mark some MDMA, I said I choose to withhold guessing and prefer to wait for evidence, not conjecture.
Looks like my previous ‘Clicky’ name was banned — since several posts I tried to make didn’t go thru under that name.
Whatever.
To keep the calm, I’ll accept the ban and take a temporary vacation from this site — but I’ll be back in the near future. 🙂
Sometimes there’s a delay and/or the comment goes to the top of the comment section rather than where it was intended.
If Flowers is still able to post I doubt you’ve been banned.
This blog is, at times, more entertaining than a Disneyland ride!
I’m curious about the psychology of Raniere’s followers.
Would be kinda cool to learn the “psychological factors” that force an ordinary person to follow a guy like Keith Raniere.
Maybe if ex-members (like Heidi) would volunteer to be studied by a team of shrinks —- we could learn how their brains work and this could help to save other suckers from following other cult leaders? 🙂
Maybe we could start a GoFundMe page to fund this psychological study.
Are you in, Ms Heidi?
Good luck, you’ll need a minimum of $1 billion to figure out Heinous Heidi. I’m not going to contribute a penny to such a grotesque person.
I don’t take food stamps anyway, Schlock. And I’d hate to take your wife’s crack money after she had to blow so many early-arrival Honduran immigrants for it.
Maybe when the full caravan arrives and she’s flush, we’ll talk. I hear from Clicky that toothless whores are still in high demand for oral and anal.
That was charming. You sound so high class. Are you sure you’re a lady?
Ru ok?
How dare you put our DOS Vow symbol on a turkey and put Vanguard’s face. This is a true blasphemy. If ever a man deserve hell and worse it is Frank Parlato. The article was bad enough but the photoshopped image. That is obscene.
The analysis, and summation, in the article was spot on.
Pee on you!
Pea:
I have a very serious question for you.
I would appreciate it if you could answer my concerns.
Recently a website called Crazy Days and Nights published a Blind Item suggesting that Allison managed difficult slaves by use of isolation chambers, very restricted diets and drugs.
Is this story true?
Blind Item #8
Over the last couple months, what seems like the last remaining insider in the NXIVM scandal has basically shut down communication with everyone, including me. What were fairly frequent emails has turned into infrequent screeds and links to positive thinking news articles and message boards. Then, two nights ago, that changed when the insider was ticked off. Lies, lies lies was the subject line and for two paragraphs, the insider described multiple times that the former almost network actress forced women to have sex with her and then would hold them while the leader had sex with the woman. Other times, the leader would force our actress to have sex with another woman in front of him and would give instructions. If the instructions were not carried out, the actress would make the other woman do as she was told. On multiple occasions, the other woman was the celebrity offspring of this actress. In addition, our insider said that if the actress thought someone was not doing a good enough job of pleasing her or the leader, she would subject the woman to hours of instruction which was confinement and isolation and denial of food until they became more compliant. If there was a woman that the leader really wanted to have sex with but was not being compliant, the actress would force feed her drugs, often addictive drugs to get them hooked. If the addiction would get out of control, the subject would be put in isolation and forced to go cold turkey for days. This cycle would often play out multiple times.
Pea, I appreciate your efforts to help us understand NXIVM better.
I hope you had a Happy Thanksgiving and I wish you Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
BTW Pea Thank you or answering my my question.
Shadow, you’re coming unglued, probably as a result of all of the recent “Peeping Tom” posts. Proof read your comments before clicking on the “Post Comment” button.
Also, why do you keep asking Pea questions when she never answers, and why do you keep asking questions of an obvious nutjob in the first place? Nobody should be responding to Pea.
Do you think I’m only conveying info to Pea?
I’m trying to make the point that sex trafficking often involves drug trafficking.
Allison and Lauren could not control dozens and dozens of slaves without the use of psychoactive drugs.
No, I think you’re talking to yourself. You are not well, and your dad needs you, remember?
Scott Johnson:
Instead of playing around in Amway my brother invested in real estate and now owns several apartment houses,one of which my father lives in.
And instead of playing around in Amway, I invested in the stock market and some of my holdings were turned over to my brother to help with our father.
My brother also has close relationships with the Governor and both US Senators from his state and none of them sold expensive Amway soap powder.
Shadow, thanks for yet another unresponsive response. What you or your brother did instead of Amway has zero bearing on this thread. Name the governor and senators. How many of Illinois’ crooked politicians does your brother have close relationships with?
To check messages, I recommend that you ask the people probably involved. No moniker in a blog!
Here is the address of Ms. Mack:
Ms. Allison C. Mack
3222 Orangewood Ave.
Los Alamitos
CA 90720-3830
Right next to an Elementary school, great for Mack’s recruiting hobby.
And how would you know about the elementary school if you weren’t there stalking little boys and girls yourself, scooter?
Or were you just doing make-up classes you flunked to finally get your grade school degree so you can get a janitorial job and stalk children full time?
Yep Scooter you seem to be very familiar with the neighborhood yourself. Sounds like you have been compering with shadowperv for peeping space. Too bad Jon and Mindy are libtards that probably don’t own guns.
I used a top secret, high-tech method, but because I like you guys so much, I’ll tell you, but you have to promise to keep it a secret. I highlighted the address, searched it on google, and the entire neighborhood popped up right in front of my eyes on google maps. It’s just our little secret, okay? LOL
Remove this please.
The only people who need to know where Ms. Mack is are in the FBI.
It’s too late. Besides, it’s easy to find somebody’s address online, so who do you think you’re kidding?
I agree that this should not have been posted, but cut the bullshit shadow perv. The only reason you don’t want it out there is so your fellow stalking pervs won’t flood her neighborhood and fight you for peeping space.
IDK if Frank’s read these comments yet but I assume he will remove this one — Allison Mack’s home address — ASAP and would do well to block this commentor altogether.
Agreed
Heinous Heidi, you and Shadow are brain-dead. If you had shown as much concern for your sister, she would still be alive. If you had shown so much concern for your husband, you would still be married. You’re a total loser who has absolutely NOTHING to offer. Same with Shadow.
What are you bitching about bitch hat’s my father I think it’s hilarious in fact I would have included a GPS monitor and put cankles on the turkey
Pea, this isn’t real, most of what is written isn’t real. The one thing imo that’s real is that, between NLP, HYPNOSIS, NUTRITION AND SLEEP DEPRIVATION, PTSD AND STOCKHOLM SYNDROME no one who was targeted stood a chance.
Your not real either, everyone is anonymous because no one trusts anyone else and for good reason.
There’s so much false speculation for anyone to take anything personal is a waste of time and energy.
The one person I will go to my grave convinced is an evil psychopath is Keith Rainere. Ultimately he is responsible for turning others into monsters.
I thought skipping shadowstate posts would be enough, but it’s not. As I was giving thanks for all the blessings in my life yesterday I realized how damaging a site like this can be.
I’m thankful that Frank Parlato persisted in putting an end to Nxivm.
Now I want the rest of you, most of you out of my head.
This article is rife with an overriding sense of obsession with anything/everything Nxivm.
What is your objective here?
Note: it’s poorly written as well. Your grammar and sentence structure make for difficult reading. Sloppy comes to mind.
NXIVM troll alert.
Totally agree! The rest of us enjoyed the article. Only a NXIVM troll would say something like that.
Agreed.
A story about NXIVM on a blog bout NXIVM is always appropriate
Shadow, there is a pattern developing, you didn’t previously have typos. The “Peeping Tom” stress is getting to you. Proof read your comments and go for a walk to relax a little. Remember, your 92 year old dad who recently had a stroke, which makes you too busy to be on my radio, needs your constant attention. On second thought, you probably don’t have time for a walk, either, because you could be on the radio show while walking.
I’ve been an avid FR reader and have found this whole crazy story to be SO very intriguing and baffling. This has to be one of my most favorite Frank posts yet – offered a lot of insight in to the key players and answered a lot of the ‘why’s’ of the motivations of these people (who ironically enough are clearly dumb and tragically and sadly, clearly very lonely people).
I agree. It is very well done indeed. Just the kind of post I look forward to.
It’s equally hilarious yet disturbing to see a turkey with chest hair. Yikes! Makes one cringe. I think it’s time to end Keith’s story and fitting to observe those who have helped so very much Many thanks to Frank to provide this open dialog.
I’m just waiting for the Mitch’s to show up. or is more than one Mitch Mitchi?
What a joyful feast you’ve served up for us on this joyous holiday, FR!
OMG, that monogrammed Van Turkey graphic has me laughing so hard my ribs hurt!
Have a great gobble — even all you turkeys!
Heidi- I see you are too cowardly to answer me, but here is a little info on cyberstalking:
[cases differ from regular stalking in that it is technologically based, though some cyberstalkers escalate their harassment to include physical stalking as well. A cyberstalker acts of out of anger, or a need to control, or gain revenge over another person through threats, fear, and intimidation. There are several forms of cyberstalking, including:
Harassing the victim Embarrassing and humiliating the victim Exerting financial control by emptying the victim’s bank accounts, or by ruining his credit Isolating the victim by harassing his family, friends, and employer
Frightening the victim by using scare tactics and threats
Identifying Cyberstalking
It is sometimes difficult for a person who is being harassed or stalked to realize the situation is a criminal act that should be reported to the authorities. In deciding whether a situation is truly stalking, the victim should consider whether the perpetrator is acting with malice and premeditation. Stalking activities are often a repetitive, obsession-based vendetta, directed personally at the victim. This behavior continues even when the victim has personally warned the perpetrator to stop.
Key factors to identifying cyberstalking cases include:
False accusations. A cyberstalker often tries to damage the reputation of his victim by posting false information on social media websites or blogs. A perpetrator may even create fictitious websites or other accounts for the purpose of spreading false rumors and allegations about the victim.Gathering information about the victim. A cyberstalker may try to gather as much information as possible about the victim by interacting with the victim’s friends, family, and colleagues. In serious cases, a cyberstalker may hire a private investigator.Monitoring victim’s activities. A cyberstalker may attempt to trace his victim’s IP address, or hack into the victim’s social media accounts and emails to learn about his online activities.
Encouraging others to harass the victim. The offender may encourage the involvement of third parties to harass the victim.
False victimization. It is not uncommon for a cyberstalker to claim the victim is harassing him, taking the position of victim in his own mind.]
Exactly what did I do that would constitute cyberstalking, you lying cunt?
Shut up you paranoid delusional sick freak
Thank you for listing your offenses. You have, in fact, perpetrated every one of them on me and, from what I gather and witness, others here on FR. I request, again, that you desist these “cyberstalking” activities.
Are you insane, Heidi? I haven’t done a single one of those things, nutcase. Check yourself into the psych ward, Heidi aka Clicky.
You’re really losing your marbles, BALDY.
LOL. Heidi was just messing with you, Flowers.
She wasn’t serious. 🙂
She didn’t even read your posted cyberstalking info.
In fact, she’s probably laughing her ass off at you — for not being able to tell the difference that she was just poking fun at you. 🙂
*by saying you perpetrated ‘every’ item posted, she’s disclosing that she didn’t read anything you posted.
Heidi knows how to get under your skin bigtime, Flowerpot. 🙂
Oh, almost forgot…
While I appreciate that you keep saying ‘clicky’ in most of your posts, truth is, it’s not healthy to become so obsessed with clicky.
You know who Heidi is — so to call her ‘aka clicky’ means even though you know she’s not even remotely associated with clicky, you can’t stop saying his name.
I might know a shrink in Vancouver who can assist you in getting over your addiction to clicky.
No Baldy, I’m pretty sure I hit the nail right on the big, ole “shnozzola”….and I’ll only call you BALDY (or SHORTY) from now on, since you love those names so much.
I wonder why Baldy is spending so much time posting here?🤔🤨
Actually , why did you even post here in the first place? What interest do you have with FR, Bald one? It’s puzzling.
Just for fun, here are a few more wild guesses about you, Baldy…..
Baldy, like all narcissists, has delusions of grandeur, but so far all his schemes have failed. He has failed at writing, acting, relationships, and most notably- critical thinking. He could have used his talents for something good, instead of for hurting people, but mediocre normalcy is not for Baldy, who perceives himself as the “world’s best” at something. His overblown, fragile ego just can’t handle being average,- Baldy needs to be IMPORTANT…. at least in his own mind.
Baldy has a few weirdly irrational phobias. For example , he’s terrified of gypsies for some reason. Maybe he’s afraid she might look into her crystal ball and reveal his future – and he has every reason to be afraid of that.
Heidi nailed it.
Classic game of mirror, mirror.
Sorry, Lying –WHAT? Flowers? You really are a mess. I hope you can get over whatever it is that makes you so envious and plain nasty. Well perhaps this outlet is all you have. I wish you well.
The word is cunt, anon. Surely you’ve heard it before. Appropriate word for a person who falsely accuses someone of committing crimes.
What picture is that Scott? That “Heidi” went back onto an older thread yesterday and started posting lies about me, where “she” thought I wouldn’t notice?
And now you think “Heidi” is sane? You’ve posted otherwise dozens of times….
You know why Baldy vanished, don’t you? Not because his one email address would not post (he could still post on others.) It was probably because he was too scared to be on your show.
you are a disgusting freak flowers, with grits for brains.
Heinous Heidi, just wanted you to know that sane people saw the picture and smiled, perhaps chuckled a little, but did not laugh so hard that our ribs hurt. Be sure to mention this to your shrink.
I very much doubt if there are any sane people anywhere in your purview, Schlock, or that you have the capacity to recognize the difference between “sane” or “insane” behavior in yourself or others.
100% spot on. Scooter is an insane son of a fuck himself.
Maybe we are all really in hell, and haven’t figured it out yet.
….I see crazy people……👻
What happened Flowers? You looked in the mirror?
No, I read the comments here…..the usual bullshit like “you’re a stalking pervy ballsucker, and EVERYONE thinks so”…..
Two Lips, keep them shut and you won’t make as much of a fool out of yourself.
Anonymous (Heinous Heidi), there are precious few sane people posting on this website comments section, and unlike you, plenty of others in the rest of my life. Laughing as you described yourself reminded me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj23pMdQBZ8
you are plainly sick in the head.
Nice pic of the “Turkey of the Year”
What goes around, comes round. When you start fucking with people’s heads and money, like Keith has for so many years, it’s actually comforting to know this bastard is behind bars. Most likely, he’s already dined on some sort of faux meatloaf thing resembling turkey.
Happy Thanksgiving folks!