NXIVM attorney Mike McDermott did a lot to help the prosecution indict Toni Natalie, Joe O'Hara, Barabra Bouchey and John Tighe. Did he cross any ethical lines?

Why has no one been prosecuted for crimes committed in conjunction with the criminal computer trespass charges that were falsely brought against Natalie, O’Hara, and Tighe? – Part II

Editor’s Note: This is the second in a series of posts that will be looking at all the unanswered questions concerning the criminal computer trespass charges that were brought against Toni Natalie, Joe O’Hara, and John Tighe (Although similar charges were also brought against Barbara Bouchey, she was not originally part of the case – and she only became involved because she allegedly logged onto NXIVM’s server with someone else’s credential several months after the New York State Police had raided the home of Natalie, O’Hara, and Tighe and confiscated all their computers). Because this story is so complex, some may find it helpful to read the “Incident Report” that was prepared by Rodger Kirsopp, the NYSP Senior Investigator who oversaw the investigation (All of the quoted material in this post is from that “Incident Report”).

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At the end of Part I of this series, we had established several key facts – and identified several unanswered questions. Those were as follows:

Key Facts:
– In mid-2011, one or more representatives of NXIVM filed a complaint with the Office of the Saratoga County DA alleging that Natalie, O’Hara, and Tighe had accessed its server without authorization.

– In April 2012, eight members of NXIVM filed a similar complaint with the NYSP. At that time, Kirsopp was assigned as the lead investigator on the case.

– For the next eight months, Kirsopp worked closely with ADA Ashdown to put together a prosecutable case against Natalie, O’Hara, and Tighe.

– During the course of his investigation, Kirsopp received “evidence” of the alleged unauthorized computer accessing from Myers and Ose – both of whom had told him that they were “contractors” for NXIVM.

– Throughout the investigation, Kirsopp had numerous meetings with – and numerous phone calls with – Coffey, Nichols, and McDermott.

– Kirsopp and the Saratoga County DA requested that the Office of the NYSAG get involved in prosecuting the case. That request was turned down because the NYSAG thought the case would be difficult to prosecute.

– Nichols informed Kirsopp that she had received a computer server that contained O’Hara’s email correspondence – and asked him whether she or the NYS police should download those emails.

Questions:
– Whose idea was it to have members of NXIVM file a new complaint with the NYSP several months after a similar complaint had been filed with the Office of the Saratoga County DA?

– Is it normal for an NYSP Senior Investigator like Kirsopp to meet so often with attorneys who are representing the complainants in a case?

– Why didn’t Kirsopp do any due diligence background checks on Myers and Ose – and why did he just accept all the “evidence” they provided to him without ever having the NYSP’s own computer forensic experts ever take a look at NXIVM’s server?

– What did Kirsopp tell Nichols when she asked him who should review the computer server that had O’Hara’s on it – her of the NYSP?

– How many other computer trespass cases has the NYSP been involved in before – and after – this case?
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NOTE: As before, all of the quoted material is taken directly from Rodger Kirsopp’s “Incident Report”.

Part II

– On January 9, 2013, NYSP Senior Investigator Rodger Kirsopp was contacted by Albany County Assistant District Attorney (ADA) David Rossi who advised him that he had been contacted by Mike McDermott, one of NXIVM’s attorneys, about the alleged unauthorized accessing of NXIVM’s server – and that his office would possibly be seeking to have a Special District Attorney appointed to prosecute criminal computer trespass charges against Toni Natalie, Joe O’Hara, and John Tighe (Rossi indicated that they needed to do that because the Office of the Albany County District Attorney had a conflict-of-interest). Although Kirsopp knew that the NXIVM server was actually located in Saratoga County – which is why he had been working with the Office of the Saratoga County District Attorney on the case since April 2012 – he apparently raised no questions with Rossi as to whether Albany County had any jurisdictional basis to intervene in the case.

– On March 22, 2013, Kirsopp met with Bruce Lennard, a private sector attorney who had been appointed to serve as an Albany County Special District Attorney with respect to the complaints that had been filed against Natalie, O’Hara, and Tighe. Once again, Kirsopp apparently did not raise any questions as to how Albany County could possibly have any jurisdictional basis for bringing any charges for an alleged crime that occurred in Saratoga County.

– On April 8, 2013, Kirsopp had another meeting with Lennard to further discuss the case.

– On April 16, 2013, Lennard contacted Kirsopp to tell him about the information he had received about the location/ownership of the various IP addresses that two of NXIVM’s high-ranking members, Ben Myers and Steve Ose, had given to Kirsopp (These were the IP addresses that had allegedly illegally accessed NXIVM’s server). At this same time, Lennard also requested “…a review of the NXIVM server to verify accuracy and honesty of the information” that Myers and Ose had provided to Kirsopp (Kirsopp had apparently never thought to do that). Kirsopp passed along Lennard’s request to NYSP Investigator Terry Aubin, Troop G Computer Crimes Unit – and set up a time for Lennard to meet with Aubin on April 23, 2013.

– On April 26, 2013, Lennard contacted Kirsopp to provide him with the details of his meeting with Aubin. At this same time, he also told Kirsopp that he had been in contact with Clare Bronfman, Pam Nichols, and Ben Myers – and he requested that Kirsopp contact Jack Goldenberg who reportedly had the server that contained O’Hara’s emails (Those of you who have been paying attention will recall that Pam Nichols informed Kirsopp that she had this server back in October 2012 – and gave him copies of some of O’Hara’s emails that she had printed from it).

– On May 2, 2013, Kirsopp contacted Nichols to get Goldenberg’s phone number and email address. At this time, Nichols also informed him that the server with O’Hara’s emails had been “…returned to Brooklyn, NY”.

– Also on May 2, 2013. Kirsopp contacted Jack Goldenberg who informed him that he did, in fact, have the server with O’Hara’s emails – and that he would require a court order in order to turn it over to Kirsopp. Goldenberg also informed Kirsopp “…that an IT person from BRONFMAN, C was at his office last Friday from 9:00 AM to 4:00 PM looking at the server”.

Ben Myers may not have been exactly forthright to authorities about his role in NXIVM.

– Also on May 2, 2013, Kirsopp contacted Ben Myers who advised him that was not the IT person who was at Goldenberg’s office the prior week. Kirsopp next contacted Pam Nichols who informed him that she had “…directed her own technician to go to GOLDENBERG’S office and receive a copy of the actual server itself”. Kirsopp then noted in his “Incident Report” that “Apparently, NXIVM and O’Connell and Aronowitz have been working with a copy of a copy of the original server” – and that “The copy of the server was completed under the supervision of an IT person from GOLDENBERG’s office”.

Author’s Note: If you’re a little confused at that point, that’s quite understandable. But it appears that Kirsopp has tried to come up with a storyline that would explain away the fact that Nichols claimed to have the server with O’Hara’s emails back in October 2012. The “explanation” that she only had “a copy of a copy” should, of course, logically have led Kirsopp to ask “Whose copy did you copy” but he apparently didn’t think to ask that question. Nor did he think to ask Nichols why she needed to make another copy of the same server in May 2013.

– On May 7, 2013, Kirsopp received a call from Alex Finn, who does business under the name Stockade Associates and who told him that he was the person that Nichols had sent to Goldenberg’s office. According to Finn, Nichols told him that “…there had been a security breach, internal access to a server and requested assistance in the recovery of emails, their headers, and to compare the IP addresses of the emails to IP addresses captured from the unauthorized access to the company (NXIVM) server”.

– Finn went on to explain that he had only accessed the server one time – on April 26, 2013 – and that “…he was able to corrolate (sic) IP addresses to the IP logs of the breached (NXIVM) system”. He went on to explain that the server in question had been offline for 2-3 years – and that “…the emails were backed up to MacAffee (sic) ‘cloud’ service”.

 

Rodger Kirsopp played an important role in the investigation of NXIVM enemies.

 

– When Kirsopp called Goldenberg to discuss the matter, all Goldenberg told him is that the server is a Dell “… a stand alone computer tower type server”. He then advised Kirsopp that all future communications should go through his attorney, Ronald Kleinberg.

– On June 5, 2013, Kirsopp attended a meeting with Special District Attorney Lennard – and three other members of the NYS Police: Eugene Bell, Terry Aubin, and Sara Vandusen. During that meeting, Lennard advised them that he had served a subpoena on Goldenberg’s attorney to obtain the server that had O’Hara’s emails – and that O’Hara had pled guilty to unrelated charges in El Paso, TX and was expected to begin serving a 36-month service in December 2013.

– On June 5, 2013, Kirsopp also contacted Ben Myers to advise him that he would be contacted by someone from the NYSP’s Computer Crimes Unit to do “…a search/imaging of the NXIVM server”.

– On June 10, 2013, Goldenberg’s attorney informed Kirsopp that he would make arrangements for the server with O’Hara’s emails to be turned over to the NYSP. In addition, Kirsopp was also informed by fellow NYSP Trooper Vandusen that she had made arrangements with Myers “…for the exchange of information from the NXIVM server”.

– On June 14, 2013, Kirsopp was informed by Goldenberg that the server with O’Hara’s emails was ready to be picked up (Goldenberg advised Kirsopp that he would make himself available along with his IT person when that occurred). Kirsopp then made arrangements to retrieve the server.

– On June 17, 2013, Kirsopp contacted Clare Bronfman “ as a result of a separate investigation (SJS #5123683)” – and advised her of the status of the criminal computer investigation involving Natalie, O’Hara, and Tighe. It is unknown at this time what the other investigation entailed and/or how it was resolved.

– On June 19, 2013, Kirsopp and Vandusen drove to Brooklyn, NY and picked up the server that contained O’Hara’s emails (Goldenberg was not there as he had previously promised to be). In addition to picking up the server, they took photographs of it – and the server room in which it had been stored. The server was then transported back to the NYSP building in Clifton Park, NY “…where it was secured as evidence pending submission to the NYSP FIC” (Forensic Investigation Center).

– Kirsopp also noted on June 19, 2013 that Vandusen was continuing to have conversations with Myers “…for obtaining data from the NXIVM/ESP computer server”. She also advised him that “…this action should be completed in the next week or two”.

– On July 16, 2013, Kirsopp received an email from Vandusen that indicated she had been in touch with Myers about reviewing the NXIVM server – and that “…consent has been provided to review certain areas of concern, specifically the areas where subjects had obtained information”.

– On July 17, 2013, Kirsopp contacted Special District Attorney Lennard “…to advise of case status including the review of the NXIVM server on today’s date by Inv Vandusen and S/Inv Aubin”.

– On July 19, 2013, Kirsopp received a DVD that contained the information that had been downloaded from the NXIVM server.

– On August 27, 2013, Kirsopp attended a meeting with Lennard, Vandusen and Barry Friedman to discuss the status of the case and the next investigative steps to be taken.

– On September 1, 2013, Kirsopp conducted background checks on Natalie. O’Hara, and Tighe.

Joe O’Hara was indicted for computer trespassing but, despite the inordinate time spent investigating him, the charges were dismissed.

– On October 3, 2013, Kirsopp met with Steve Coffey, Mike McDermott, and Pam Nichols to provide them with a status update on the investigation of the alleged unauthorized accessing of NXIVM’s server.

– On October 8, 2013, Kirsopp did additional research to verify where Natalie, O’Hara, and Tighe were living – and requested other members of the NYSP to take photographs of those locations as part of his preparation for obtaining search warrants on those three individuals.

– On October 8, 2013, Kirsopp also met with Lennard to discuss the scope and targets of the search warrants – and spoke with S/Inv Aubin about that same topic.

– On October 17, 2013, Acting Supreme Court Justice Kimberly A. O’Connor signed the requested search warrants regarding the residences of Natalie, O’Hara, and Tighe.

– On October 23, 2013, Kirsopp oversaw the simultaneous pre-dawn raids on the residences of Natalie, O’Hara, and Tighe. According to their individual recollections, a total of 12-15 NYSP Troopers were involved in those raids.

***
Part III of this series will focus on the events that took place from October 23, 2013 onward. In the meantime, here are the new key facts – and the new unanswered questions – regarding the period of time from January 13, 2013 and October 23, 2013.

Key Facts:
– Less than one month after the Office of the New York State Attorney General and the Office of the Saratoga County District Attorney declined to prosecute Toni Natalie, Joe O’Hara, and John Tighe for allegedly accessing NXIVM’s server without permission, one of NXIVM’s attorneys, Mike McDermott, contacted David Rossi, an Assistant District Attorney in Albany County, to discuss the alleged illegal act (Prior to joining the O’Connell & Aronowitz law firm, McDermott was the Chief Assistant District Attorney for Albany County and may have been Rossi’s former supervisor).

– Rossi, in turn, contacted NYSP Senior Investigator Rodger Kirsopp – and told him that Albany County was thinking about appointing a Special District Attorney to prosecute Natalie, O’Hara, and Tighe.

Kirsopp never raised any questions as to the jurisdictional basis for Albany County getting involved in the case – even though he was well aware that the NXIVM server in question had been located in Saratoga County at the time it was allegedly accessed by Natalie, O’Hara, and Tighe.

Bruce Lennard was appointed as an Albany County Special District Attorney to prosecute Natalie, O’Hara, and Tighe.

– Shortly after his appointment, Lennard requested that Kirsopp arrange to have the NXIVM server reviewed in order to verify that the allegations of unauthorized access were true. But rather than actually doing a forensic analysis of the NXIVM server, all the NYSP did is download some information from the sections on the server that NXIVM claimed had been illegally accessed.

 

What Pam Nichols role was with NXIVM above and beyond the ethical duties of a licensed attorney is hard to say. But time may disclose.

– In May 2013, Pam Nichols, another of NXIVM’s attorneys and the Managing Partner of the O’Connell & Aronowitz law firm, informed Kirsopp that the server with O’Hara’s emails that she had previously obtained from Jack Goldenberg had been returned to Goldenberg’s office in Brooklyn, NY.

– When Kirsopp contacted Goldenberg to discuss the matter, Goldenberg informed him that an IT person sent by Clare Bronfman had recently spent an entire day at his office working on the server with O’Hara’s emails.

– When Kirsopp tried to verify the identity of the Bronfman “IT person”, Pam Nichols informed him that it was, in fact, her IT person, Alex Finn, who had spent a day in Goldenberg’s office working on the server with O’Hara’s emails.

– Finn explained that he had gone to look at the server in Goldenberg’s office to compare the IP addresses on O’Hara’s emails with the IP addresses that had allegedly accessed NXIVM’s server without permission.

– Kirsopp later claimed that Nichols only had “a copy of a copy” of the server with O’Hara’s emails – which would still not explain why she had sent Finn to Goldenberg’s office rather than have him do his IP address comparison work off of her copy.

– Kirsopp apparently never asked Nichols how she had obtained her “copy of a copy” of the server with O’Hara’s emails.

– Kirsopp and another NYSP Trooper eventually drove to Brooklyn, NY to pick up the server that had O’Hara’s emails on it. Why it took two Troopers to accomplish this task is unknown.

– In October 2013, a judge in Albany, NY issued search warrants for the residences of Natalie, O’Hara, and Tighe (In a separate post, we’ll be looking at the “Affidavit” that was filed by Kirsopp in order to obtain those search warrants).

– On October 23, 2013, Kirsopp oversaw the operation of the simultaneous pre-dawn raids on the residences of Natalie, O’Hara, and Tighe.

– Throughout this period of time, Kirsopp continued to maintain close contact with NXIVM’s attorneys – Steve Coffey, Mike McDermott, and Pam Nichols – and to keep them fully apprised regarding every aspect of the investigation concerning Natalie, O’Hara, and Tighe.

Questions:
– Why did Kirsopp not raise any questions about the jurisdictional basis – or lack thereof – for Albany County getting involved in the prosecution of Natalie, O’Hara, and Tighe?

– Since Kirsopp knew that the NXIVM server was, in fact, located in Saratoga County shouldn’t he have known that Albany County had no basis for getting involved in the case?

– Why did Kirsopp not arrange to have the NXIVM server forensically analyzed by a member of the NYSP – and why did he let NXIVM decide what information it would download for the NYSP to look at?

– How did Pam Nichols get possession of the server that had O’Hara’s emails? Did O’Connell & Aronowitz pay Goldenberg for that server?

– Why did Goldenberg suddenly instruct Kirsopp to “talk to my attorney” when Kirsopp asked him some questions about the server that had O’Hara’s emails?

– Did Kirsopp perjure himself in the “Affidavit” he provided in order to get search warrants issued for the residences of Natalie, O’Hara, and Tighe?

– Is it normal NYSP practice to have 12-15 Troopers involved in collecting evidence in a case involving alleged computer trespassing?

TO BE CONTINUED…

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  • Is HOTALING a common surname in the US? the first time I ever saw it was in Siobhan Hotaling.. if so then its probably just coincidence that the USPS Postal Inspector, contacted by Kirsopp’s investigation is Joy Hotaling? I searched a little and nothing… except a mugshot of a disgraced policeman in Schenectady called John Hotaling, who might even bear a passing resemblance to Siobhan?

    https://mugshots.com/Current-Events/JOHN-HOTALING.55577636.html

  • My Story: Too Fu#ckin stupid to realize how dangerous these people were! Saving the world is a great mission and also a great hook into guilt ridden people. The problem is I’ve become just like them!!! And, I don’t like that.
    A problem for me now is separating fact from fiction. Everyone has good parts and bad parts. These people pretended to have only good parts but had way too many bad parts! Deciding who I really am right now is a problem. I know help is out there but I’m also scared of it.

    • It’s understandable that you would be afraid of help since it requires you to put your trust in someone but there are reputable professionals who you can rely on. The reputable ones do not tear down your self esteem. The good ones work to build you up and enable you to make your own decisions and trust your own judgement.

      Scott is right about not being too hard on yourself. It sounds trite but it’s true. Many people fall victim to these types of people because they do want to change the world and it’s their earnestness and naïveté that makes them so vulnerable.

    • You are very brave and smart, Double. It’s scary to reach out — you have every reason not to trust anyone after you’ve been so betrayed. Have you visited Rick Ross’ website? He knows a lot about Nx and may be able to refer you to appropriate services near you.

      Remember a lot of exceptionally good, intelligent people were drawn to Nx’s message, taken in by other smart, good people who also wanted to change the world starting with themselves. Nothing wrong with that. …Usually. 😄

  • Great analysis! IDK if you’re planning to get into more maybe emotional detail but allow me please to add:

    – The whole investigation was already time barred by statutes of limitations on the alleged charges before the search and seizure warrants were court requested.

    (Kirsopp knew this — in addition to the jurisdiction problems — but proceeded anyway. May have mislead the court to grant the warrants.)

    – For years, during the very commission of these alleged crimes in 2010, Kirsopp pretended to be “helping” Toni Natalie (Foley) rescue a toddler; reported to be an orphan foundling who was being gruesomely experimented on by NXIVM. (We only much, years later learned the lad was Keith and Kristin’s son, Gaylen.)

    Toni told me all about Gaelyn’s hoped-for hero, Rodger Kirsopp. Toni assured me her Roger was like a Roger Ramjet, Dudley Do-right, boyscout kind of character. Toni was so excited that finally the police, someone, was investigating the status of the poor orphan caught in Keith’s clutches from birth.

    But it was a sham. Roger Kirsopp wasn’t there to help Toni help Gaylen. He was there to help himself to whatever the Bronfman’s offered to sting the people who’d turned to him for help rescuing a tiny child in big trouble with a pedophile cult.

  • If you were a cult leader, who had dozens of attractive young women (and men) who you had indoctrinated that the highest ethic is to promote “the mission,” and wanted to ensure that police and prosecutors left you alone, what would you do?

    Tell an attractive young follower to strike up a relationship with a married police captain or a prosecutor, gradually turn it sexual, and lure the victim into an apartment or hotel room where there is a hidden camera and microphone.

    If the first attractive young follower can’t close the deal, try again with another until it works.

    Then when the police or prosecutor start investigating, show them the video of their hookup with the attractive young follower, who was working for you.

    Easy peezy lemon squeezy, your troubles with the law are over.

          • Heidi has no clue about Kruek. She invented that story, just like “she” invented several other “facts” that she has shared here.
            Why would the real Heidi suddenly start posting on Frank Report NOW, after Keith has been arrested? Does that make sense? There is no reason for the real Heidi to post here.

          • Makes perfect sense. A lot of people were obviously empowered to come out after raniere’s arrest, are you tripping? If you read any of Mr. Franks report you might have a clue of how fucken dangerous these cult shit heads are. Heidi is more ‘real’ than you ‘Triple Anon’ -a moniker made to attack Heidi AND the newcomer ‘double anon’? Heidi also has more collateral reasons to post here than just about anyone. Her posts clearly makes you catch all type of complicated, envious feelings. How can you wish you had more importance to NEXIUM than people actually involved? Over jaloush of authenticity? You must be phoney baloney as a bunch of plastic flowers.

          • Heidi is a fake. This person hasn’t revealed anything about her sister that isn’t public knowledge or known by NXIVM members – hint, hint. If I started posting as Kristin Kreuk or Allison Mack’s mom and revealed known facts about my pretend self or my pretend daughter that wouldn’t make me either.

          • Overly jaloush? Hardly. Is that something similar to GOULASH?
            The only feelings I catch from Heidi’s posts are feelings of hilarity and amazement. In other words, some of the stuff she posts is so over-the-top fake, that I laugh in amazement wondering how she could believe that anyone would believe it.
            But you certainly seem butthurt, anonymous. Lol.

  • Not sure if anyone here knows the old Albany joke? “Albany is the asshole of New York, and Troy is 5 miles up it!

    The history of corruption in Albany is vast; Erastus Corning was mayor from 1942 till his death in 1983, the longest running machine in US political history. Hard cash was distributed to voters in vicinity of the polls on election day. Does that give you an ideal of what you’re dealing with?

    • lol. Keith prolly researched it before moving there — easiest place to get away with the most heinous crimes including pedophilia in the U.S.

  • Nobody seems to care that these criminals computer trespassed which is a very serious crime. And no it should not be taken less seriously. Look at the respurces they spent persecuting Vanguard over a few selfish women who wanted to have sex with him and he wouldn’t. Don’t whitewash this. Investogator Kirsopp was doing his duty. He is the noblest State Trooper of them all. All those Nxivm enemies did not scare him off from going after the criminals.

  • Sounds very much like a pre-planned witch hunt with the assistance of a group of dirty cops. It just took a lot longer to get Ads to ok pursuing a phony computer trespassing case.
    It has never made sense that John Tighe would so actively be pursuing a litigation machine and leave one iota of personally damaging information, knowing at some point Nxivm would find a way to have his computer seized.
    Once again Rodger Kirsopp is going above and beyond the line of duty to help Nxivm, whom he best have had previous knowledge of their reputation within Saratoga county and Albany. Yet nothing is ever mentioned in investigative reports, very extensive reports for comp. Tresspass.

  • Looks like a typo: “Kirsopp never raised any questions as to the jurisdictional basis for Albany County getting involved in the case – even though he was well aware that the NXIVM server in question had been located in Albany County at the time it was allegedely accessed ny Natalie, O’Hara, and Tighe.” You’re welcome.

  • I wonder how many other times the O’Connell & Aronowitz law firm has arranged for the Albany County DA to prosecute someone. Hard to believe that McDermott’s call to Rossi was the only time they’d use that power of behalf of their well-paying clients. Wonder how much money Coffey and his colleagues have contributed to David Soares over the years. Also wonder if Rossi is still an Assistant DA or if he’s working for O’Connell & Aronowitz now.

    What a cesspool Albany County is!

  • It’s pretty obvious that Trooper Kirsopp was somehow compromised by NXIVM. The question now is whether the feds will be willing to investigate whether he was bribed or blackmailed or both.

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