An anonymous commenter has posted several lengthy comments criticizing Heidi Hutchinson for some of her observations about Keith, Pam and Barb Jeske.
It has risen some suspicion about the motivation of the poster.
To sum up what was said in criticism of Heidi, the anonymous commenter wrote:
“For those too dumb to understand my last post (3 of 3)… When I said the word “kill” — I was referring to Heidi’s constant ‘suggestions’ that Keith purposely let Barb and Pam go without cancer treatment until they died BECAUSE he somehow would benefit financially when they died.
“Or in other words, I was referring to Heidi’s ludicrous idea that Keith purposely wanted both Barb and Pam to die from cancer just to take over their assets.
“The idea that Keith benefited financially from Pam or Barb dying is laughable. He would have benefited more if they lived because he spent years training those robots and had their full loyalty.
“He would NOT want them dead just to take over their assets. Training new robots to be that loyal would cost far more (in time investment) than the small sum NXIVM acquired from their death, especially since Pam’s $8 million account already belonged to Keith even when she was alive — since Pam gave him anything he wanted without hesitation.
“And Clare financed Mexico, not Pam….”
“Heidi is simply an idiot for suggesting these things. 🙂
“And yes, Heidi has implied this same idea over and over again in various posts. 🙂”
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Heidi never one to take any abuse without rebutting – responds:
By Heidi Hutchinson
@ Rebuttals — If you’re finished rebutting, your entire rant is asinine. Full of lies and contradictions against the well-known facts.
Most glaringly, your premise that I believe Keith et al “killed” Pam and Barbara because of money is FALSE. I never stated or “implied” that.
In fact, I believe there were MANY motives for letting these devoted, humble servants of your pedophile Satanic sex slaver die prematurely.
Silencing them permanently was probably chief among those, IMO.
[Keith and Nancy, in particular, DID and continue to DERIVE a financial benefit from these deaths, however. If they didn’t use Pam’s money why is Clare charged with robbing her grave? If they didn’t need Barb’s deathbed and House, why is Nancy living in it?]
Just as YOU are desperately trying to silence me with this illogical rebuttal to an argument that was never made — full of misogynistic insults against not only me but the brilliant head prosecutor of the DOJ’s case [Moira Penza] and the mother [Kristen Keeffe] who has ALL the info they’ll ever need to put Keith, Nancy, Lauren, Allison, Clare, ET AL behind bars where they all belong for a long, long time.
Without Nancy’s pathetic plea.
Please do tell us, what do you care if Nancy pleas or not?
Like Pam and Barbara and, according to your albeit obviously misogynistic views, all females with wrinkles or beyond the age of our childbearing years Nancy’s worthless, anyway. Right?
I bet you have 10 years on me but maybe since you’re apparently male you can “logically” tell us better why Keith ET AL let Pam and Barb suffer painful deaths without timely medical intervention?
Maybe they WERE merely deceived into believing Keith could cure them by “faith” and some Mexican concoction he researched that would have worked but shipped too late?
If it makes you feel better about yourself.
I am here to support Heidi Hutchinson.
She is quite witty and deserves her own radio show, as others have already said.
But I’d like to see her debate Scooter Johnson on his radio show first. Scooter has said she can talk about NXIVM on his radio show.
But her lack of courage to speak with Scooter via phone is making me lack confidence in Heidi’s knowledge about this case.
Instead of accepting his invitation, she pretended to have a ‘beef’ with his politics and called him a “bigot” as a PRETEXT to refuse going on his show (or in other words, instead of admitting she was too chicken to debate him, she pretended to invent another fake reason to refuse debating him).
Maybe she doesn’t deserve a radio show after all.
Frank had the courage to go on Scooter’s radio show so I’m wondering why Heidi won’t do the same?
I’m sure Heidi appreciates the support.
Did Heidi really thank Kristin keffee? The most evil of the whole crew. Heidi is just too stupid to realize Kristin only sang because SHE was about to get caught SHE should be in prison. You are all so stupid and your loyalties are a joke.
Kristin wasn’t about to get caught when she left Keith. By “singing”, do you mean reaching out to old friends and apologizing for the agony she helped cause?
I just wanted to say that Heidi is a wonderful human being.
I only seek to have respectful, kind and intellectual discourse with her.
I wish to avoid making any harsh criticisms of the wonderful entity known as Ms. Heidi.
If I have made such criticisms in the past which require an apology, then I wish to extend my deepest and most heartfelt apologies to Ms. Heidi.
On second thought, just kidding. 🙂
I would never apologize since she’s not really worthy of an apology, in my humble opinion. Plus I just straight up dislike her, to be honest.
But I shall ‘hold fire’ and not criticize this particular post from Ms. Heidi (even though I could easily do it).
I will do this as a favor to Frank and as a gesture towards his civility rules which went into effect a few weeks ago but which really amount to SHIT —- because nobody follows them and everybody attacks me anyway, thus forcing me to attack back, and so on… 🙂 🙂
And, your point is? Why don’t you just be the bigger person and be more civil to others you don’t even know and/or disagree with.
Stupid Flowers doesn’t have the capacity for intelligent thought.
You’re expecting way too much.
Anonymous, this post is not about me. Who are you replying to? Lol.
Your obsession with Heidi is unhealthy and boring and troubling to read. You and your tiresome aliases.
Despite all the Bronfman money spent on Nxivm it is obvious Keith was not in “charge of it”. Not the way the public thinks, yes they paid for attorneys and other expenses but I believe Keith Rainere had to at least make a serious effort to make money and to have access to money , just not in his name.
I do believe he helped these women die with his lies. They were no longer of any value to him. How many young nubile girls were they attracting to the cult their last few years? Yet he still had to pay some attention to them, and it’s clear Rainere doesn’t like putting himself out for less than a few million or some good easy sex.
Heidi I completely understood what you were saying as I’ve been a follower for a while. KAR may not have held a gun to their head and he will never be charged with their deaths but he made them ultimate victims they just didn’t know it until it was to late.
Using Pam’s identity was perfect for K, I do wonder where the Cafritz family has been hiding, where are all the Nxivm families hiding?
Are they embarrassed to come forward?
Pam and Barb were immortal heroines whose luster time will never diminish. How Keith wept when they died and tried valiantly to save them. He lengthened their lives by years and tried to restore them to life by cryogenically preserving them. He was working on a Patent that would cure cancer and reverse the aging process in Mexico and had the serum prepared at the precise moment the police came in past the gate and took him knocking the life saving serum to the ground and breaking the vile. The chalkboard where Keith kept the complicated formula fell over in the ensuing struggle. And got partially erased. Keith has said he would have to be out a good six months to replicate the formula. Think of how many people will die in the interim. And then Keith was saying the FDA was a problem. That’s why we were in Mexico. He was working to restore Pam. You know he went back on the anniversary of her death. That’s how much he cared about her.
Funniest thing you’ve ever spewed.
This is for fake PO
I’d better put on my hip boots, it’s getting deep !
Why is it so hard to believe that cancer can be cured. Keith has the problem solving ability to do it. Edgar Bronfman and the Illuminati do not want to have cancer cured. Why? Because they clone themselves. They decided that if they didn’t stop Keith from curing cancer the people who have freedom and overthrow the Illuminati. Keith explained this to all of us. Don’t blame Clare. She wept when she learned what her father and others had done.
Lolololololol
One theory is that Keith both exploited and despised the two women. He hated his dependence on them. Then, when he got access to the Bronfman money, he no longer needed them.
Yes. It looks like a typical narcissist supply replacement scheme, you’re right!
‘several lengthy comments’.. Haha Heidi, you certainly have ruffled the feathers of a squawker here!!! and by mere ‘implication’ too.
Now that your detractor has spelt it out, It makes perfect sense that raniere would exacerbate, in his older lovers, the frequently, terminal illness of cancer, in order to ‘take over their assets’ and of course there would always be the necessity to make room at the top for the exponentially increasing gang of slaves below. Thank you, Heidi’s detractor for the striking clarity of your explanation.
Hmmmm….I definitely didnt write any of those rebuttals, but I can understand the writer’s point – his main point being that Nancy IS the person with the most information, and she is the one the prosecutor will logically want to deal with. To say otherwise is iILLOGICAL.
As for Keith benefiting from those womens deaths- I would say its doubtful. If the implication was that he hastened their deaths for financial benefit, then I agree that there is little logic for him to do so.
Why would he hate his dependency on those 2 women , but then find more, new women to depend on after their deaths? I don’t see the logic in that, either.
Maybe the truth is really just the truth – that the women died from untreatable cancer. Obviously Jeske had had chemo, (as I can tell by her pictures where her hair had fallen out) so she had definitely tried conventional treatment. It just didn’t work.
My understanding was she waited to long, at least 2 years before starting conventional treatment. I can’t verify if this is true .
Agree. There are a lot of ways to slice and dice it.
‘Hmmmm….I definitely didnt write any of those rebuttals,’ of course you didn’t Flowers, you? be a spite filled waste of space? why would anyone think that?