Sultan of Six Defends Kristin Kreuk

LOL. Now she’s now a “major” TV star when it matters to you. Otherwise, she’s a shitty D-list actress who does the “smell your fart” acting method or whatever. You can’t have it both ways.

Regardless, yawn. This notion has already been countered multiple times. NONE of what you allege bypasses the slippery slope smell test of causality that makes her even remotely responsible for any alleged illegal or nefarious activities that occurred by other individuals within the cult. She is only responsible for her intentions and her own actions within it. You want to blame Kristin for bringing people into NXIVM in order to make her responsible for THEIR actions within it, but you have to first show how this initial act of recruitment leads to a NECESSARY chain of events that causes them to engage in such activities. If A, then B, then C, to a more significant Z. Sorry, but within a time frame that is quite large, there are too many other causal factors including a person’s own personality and free will that decides whether they do such and such. You’re like the guy who blames the person who ordered Chinese food from his house for the death of the messenger who gets hit by a truck on his way to deliver it. He was the initial cause to put such events into motion, but he wasn’t remotely responsible for his death because there are too many other variables that intervened between point A and point Z.

Out of the all of the people you can count on one hand that she directly recruited, only one of them has been indicted for illegal activity: Allison Mack. Everyone else has not been and appear to be living a normal, guilt free life. That is a mere twenty percent. Even if we play Devil’s advocate for such a baseless generalization, and that percentage is used to extrapolate the “responsibility” of Kristin for anyone she “indirectly” recruited, that would fail to even pass the minimum percentage required for a drug trial to got to market, which only has to be predictably better than placebo.

– Sultan has shown no evidence of innocence.

You people really need to learn how rational argumentation works. First of all, it is not my burden to show her innocence. It is for the person who is making a claim of her guilt to substantiate it. That is why due process requires the government to prove their case against defendants, and not vice versa. The burden of proof is on the claimant.

Second of all, you can’t prove innocence because you can’t logically prove the absence of evidence of guilt (or the absence of anything for that matter).

– Whether she did anything nefarious has not been cleared up.

Whether she did anything nefarious hasn’t been established.

– DOS was not the only nefarious thing going on at NXIVM.

This doesn’t imply that anything else “nefarious” that may have been going on she was aware or involved with either.

– It’s interesting that both the government and Frank Parlato maintain that NXIVM was organized as a ‘racket’ (a corrupt enterprise setup to break the law at every turn)

More than five years after Mr. Parlato was fired and only subsequently after he was indicted with what he claims are false charges by a lying Clare Bronfman.

– yet a senior level coach

This is a false representation of her status. She was the lowest level coach possible.

– who reportedly held intensives in her own home

To my knowledge, intensives were never held at a person’s home.

– is claimed by Sultan to be ‘pure as the driven snow’.

Strawman. I never made any such claim.

– NXIVM was setup to conduct nefarious activities and little else,

That’s one hell of a claim that you haven’t substantiated. NXIVM is a corporate entity with a tax ID that was operating for almost two decades. Regardless of what you think of the viability of the product/service that it sold, NXIVM sold it to thousands of people, many of whom took some amount of courses and moved on without getting more deeply involved in the company. If it was setup to conduct nefarious activities, then such a setup was well hidden, and only someone who was privy to such operations could confidently assert that it was “setup to conduct nefarious activities and little else”. But then he would be self-incriminating himself.

– though that doesn’t necessarily mean all of them were illegal (there’s a difference between ‘nefarious’ and ‘illegal’). Just because KK wasn’t involved in DOS doesn’t mean she wasn’t involved in NXIVM’s other nefarious activities.

False dilemma. It doesn’t mean she was either.

– Coaching and Recruiting people into an MLM in order to drain their bank accounts and get them hooked on expensive NXIVM intensives is not a “nice” or “pure” activity. It’s nefarious, in my view.

This is a loaded description. It implies that you know that it was her intent to willfully and maliciously recruit people in order to “drain their bank accounts and get them hooked on NXIVM intensives”, something that you haven’t remotely established, and I personally find ludicrous. Kristin’s intent could have simply been to help others. According to her statement, she believed they helped her overcome her shyness, and being a naturally empathetic person, she could have also felt they might be beneficial to others in helping them overcome issues that might be holding them back. Also, being part of a company whose business model was dependent upon recruitment, she likely felt it as an obligation to do so since the company provided a service that she felt helped her.

– Especially with NXIVM’s reported teachings about tax evasion and their system of avoiding taxes. If KK even KNEW about these teachings (regardless of whether she taught them herself) then she’s not a nice person for recruiting people into that.

I have the NXIVM manual that John Tighe posted on his blog still on my machine at home, and I haven’t seen any reference to this alleged teaching of tax evasion within it.

My religion finds income tax wrong because it is exorbitant which makes it unjust – much of it is used to cover interest payments that the government pays to a hidden financial oligarchy to enrich their pockets and not where it is needed the most. That doesn’t mean I don’t pay taxes because it also finds that bringing a negative situation upon yourself as even worse, e.g., if you refuse to pay taxes you can be fined and thrown into jail. So you either pay them, help change the law while doing the former, or you give up your citizenship and migrate out of the country so you don’t have to pay them.

– Are we to pretend that a senior recruiter/coach didn’t know of this philosophy of NXIVM?

She was neither a “senior” recruiter nor coach.

– Let’s not forget, this is the same coach who was photographed at Necker Island for that party of senior NXIVM personnel?

Any implication from this was already been countered in the response posted as the article above.

– I seriously doubt that clueless NXIVM “small-fries” (who were ignorant of NXIVM’s core teachings) were flown out to that private island party, LOL.

I’ve already said Kristin was a celebrity member – likely their most famous one – so that immediately granted her VIP status. Celebrities are given preferential treatment by all companies that use them to benefit their image. Case in point: Jessica Alba whose mere name has enabled her to cash in at “The Honest Company”. That doesn’t entail that Kristin was part of the inner circle or knew of or participated in any illegal or nefarious activities.

– If she was involved in nefarious activities that weren’t illegal, that doesn’t mean we should let her off the hook. It means she should have to answer to the court of public opinion and her acting career should be penalized appropriately according to her level of involvement.

If “ifs” and “buts” were candy and nuts, we’d all have a merry Christmas.