Guest View By: No Sympathy For The Vanguard
To all the Kristin Kreuk apologists: First of all, I like Kreuk and the Smallville cast. My wife and I had been watching Smallville with our kids and were a few seasons in when the NY Times article was published.
I remember when Kreuk posted the one and only comment she has made about NXIVM. I accepted it at face value then. She didn’t have to say anything about it and it would have been in line with all the others who have said nothing.
But the more research I did here on Frank Report (where I have read daily, but only recently started commenting) and I started stumbling across signs that Kruek’s message might have been misleading.
So I would like to analyze her message:
– Notice how she carefully stated that she was 23 when she joined but left 5 years ago. She knows people can google her age and see she was in for 7 years, but she knows the majority of the social media world wouldn’t check and it doesn’t sound as long when you word it that way.
– She goes on to say she took an ESP intensive and continued with the program, then she left. Since then she has had “minimal contact with those who were still involved.” So who is Kreuk still in touch with? What type of contact did she maintain?
– She goes on to deflect the accusations that were being made about her being in Raniere’s “inner circle” nor “recruited women as ‘sex slaves.” She didn’t deny recruiting people into NXIVM, which is part of her job as a coach and has been seen through her videos and involvement in various programs aimed at recruiting.
She’s only denying to being part of Raniere’s harem or recruiting women directly into it. She claims that “During my time, I never experienced any illegal or nefarious activity.” Maybe she didn’t. But it doesn’t seem likely — since she was part of the Necker Island visit. Even if she wasn’t part of the inner circle, she still used her star power to recruit and coach people into the cult, and some of them might have ended up deeper into the cult or worse — they were turned into sex slaves.
– She wraps it up with a message to those who were brave and exposed DOS… not EXP or NXIVM, she is singling DOS out as if that is the only thing that needed to be exposed. Sure, she says, she is “deeply disturbed and embarrassed to have been associated with NXIVM” and hopes for “justice for all those affected.”
Now if Kreuk wanted to clear her name, and bring justice to those affected, she could have continued by saying she would be happy to speak to law enforcement connected to the case and co-operate in any way she can. Say she doesn’t have any info that helps the trial, she would have truly cleared her name.
She could use her star power to lead the charge against NXIVM, encouraging others to leave the cult or testify against Raniere & Co. Instead, after that one comment, she refuses to answer any questions about NXIVM.
The truth is Kreuk was very close to the inner circle, with Mack, Clyne, Edmondson and the Bronfmans. All of who were part of the ‘inner circle’ and all DOS sex slaves. Sure DOS came around later, but the harem has always been there. She wasn’t just a member who took a few intensives and faded out, she was an active recruiter and coach.
Which brings me to the thing that interests me most. Why did Kreuk leave? After 7 years of intensives, recruiting, coaching, trips to Necker Island, etc… what brought her to decide to leave?
My bet is that not only is Kreuk trying to keep it from hurting her acting career, but maybe they have collateral on her and she’s not willing to risk it.
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I would highly suggest you do your research instead of believing everything that Frank says. I think it’s hilarious that he only posts comments from people who agree with his ridiculous accusations.
I am so sick of this BS that she recruited tons of people and they all ended up in deep with NXIVM. I can count on one hand the number of people she recruited!!
Kristin only moved up once in the cult and stayed at that level for the rest of her time there. I think it’s unbelievable that there are members who recruited thousands of people and yet you guys, who are believing Frank’s nonsense, are getting hung up on KK recruiting a few people.
I’m really getting tired of people dissecting her statement and saying she should have said this or that. Or, oh she meant this. Who are you to question what she said?! There was nothing wrong with her statement and she didn’t deflect anything!!
And why the crap would KK have to write in her statement that she is willing to work with authorities??!! The stuff Keith and Allison are being charged with have nothing to do with what Kristin pariticparted in. She out of all the people who have been named has the least amount of information because she was NOT in the inner circle. Like, how many people need to say that before you people wake up and believe it? Sarah Edmondson who ran ESP in Vancouver, which is where KK went, has stated multiple times that Kristin was not in the inner circle. Along with others.
Also, if KK was trying to hide, I’m pretty sure the 1hr long doc Sarah, Mark V and her husband did on A&E would have blocked out her photo. Mark H was blurred out but she wasn’t. KK could have stayed quite and not said anything. But she chose to speak “her” truth about what she knew. First everyone is complaining (because of Frank) that she wasn’t speaking up and then when she finally does, people like you and Frank are still criticizing her.
And not that this is important (🙄) Kristin was still friends with a couple of people in NXIVM, but she wasn’t hanging out with them.
I don’t know who you are, but you sure as heck don’t come off as someone “who likes” Kristin. These speculations are really starting to wear thin.
You guys have no freakin clue the kind of person she is.
The majority of the comments on this site and the weight given to articles that further the speculative drivel soiled in innuendo about a remotely possible participation in illegal and sexual activity without the slightest shred of evidence have become willfully malicious towards Kristin. And for what? Click bait? Rejection? Jealousy?
Like I said before, freedom speech doesn’t imply freedom from its consequences, whether that is with respect to Karma, or otherwise.
Are you SultanOfSix? You sound just like him. Is “Jesse” your new alias? Whoever you are, (and it is probably SOS), your post is bullshit. Smugness is smugness, even when you try and disguise yourself.
This article from Frank says women recruited by Kristin Kreuk ended up branded sex slaves: https://frankreport.com/2018/04/07/tv-actresses-kristin-kreuk-and-grace-park-silent-not-brave-at-crucial-hour/amp/
Didn’t make your monthly nut yet, Frank? Or just making sure you’re good for October.
?
Your smugness reads very much like SultanOfSix. Get over yourself.
Also, Sarah Edmondson is no innocent person. Her words defending Kreuk have no meaning. She only left the cult after being personally affected and she herself must know an awful lot about crimes in NXIVM if she is talking to the feds. Therefore, she is untrustworthy with what she says.
STOP STALKING.
Your paranoia is getting to you dumbshit.
I have no qualms about calling your fake ass out under my own alias. You’re the one who says the same shit over and over again about Kristin pretending there is this large group of people trying to call Kristin out when it’s just you.
Get over yourself. You’re a nobody.
You don’t even know which poster you are talking too. We know who you are when you pretend to be someone else: “Karl Bassett”.
Sure, Joe O’Hara, John Tigue, Omar Rosales and literally anyone you have argued with about Kristin Kreuk is the same person. In reality, there is only one Kristin Kreuk stalker on Frank Report and that is you “Scarrom”… “SoSalty” “Hmmm” “Wasabi Steak”…
http://www.hollilla.com/reader.php?action=thread&thread=6927907
“He’s an online character aka ‘SultanOfSix’; a self-hating Indian nut who has an obsession with half Asian women, yet detests pure Asians.
He has stalked several half Asian celebrities online for years.
He engaged in a disgusting racist forum online where 90% of the posts was abusive racism directed at East Asians.
He has recently stated on here that only ‘nerdy, white, socially inept, fifty plus year old males with an Asian fetish’ could be attracted to Asian women.
What do you think of this sick loser of a poster?
I personally think he should *beep* permanently off this board.”
You’re a dolt. I am and never was “Karl Bassett”. You can verify that with Frank Parlato.
You have nothing but conjecture you turd blossom.
Tell me dumbshit: why do I need to take on multiple aliases? What advantage does it give me here? You know my culture, my faith, my alias that I’ve used on multiple sites including Kristin Kreuk ones which you stalk and can read everything I’ve posted under it.
Unlike you who hides behind shifting aliases who reveals nothing of himself like the little dick coward that he is?
ROFL at you stalking my alias online and using azn_2, an alias of a professed to be Korean female who was racist against everyone, especially white people, as some sort of “character” witness. Like you, she stalked me everywhere too. Isn’t that ironic? Hmm. No wonder you think some anonymous reddit poster has any credibility.
Yes you are a fucking stalker.
You clearly have an vested interest in sullying Kristin and your actions on this website clearly show it. All of your posts are within Kristin Kreuk articles or are about her in the comment section of other articles that have nothing to do with her that say the same thing. The fact that you constantly attack me when I defend her and then try to shift the blame onto me shows that you’re a narcissistic loser who is obsessed with me.
And no I don’t want to be Italian with light skin and green eyes you fucking retard. Those are my physical features. The Italian description was given to me by a good friend of mine whose mother happens to be Italian. Learn to fucking read what is on the websites you stalk.
“The op is Indian. He accuses me of attacking and being jaloush of a half Asian celebrity (because I started a thread in her forum referring to an online article where the person bashes her Asian heritage).
Because according to him pure Asians are automatically ugly and jaloush of the ‘beautiful’ superior half Asians that he worships. In his world the case couldn’t possibly be the opposite; with existing ugly and jealous mixed Asian/Caucasians and beautiful pure Asians.
LOL.
He also hates his own race, is obsessed with having light skin, ‘greeen’ eyes and looking more ‘Italian’ than Indian.
He’s a filthy, self-hating, racist pos, who people should see for what he is.”
http://www.hollilla.com/reader.php?action=thread&thread=6927907
LOL! Sultan/KarlBasset/Scarrom/SoSalty/Hmmm/WasabiSteak wants to look Italian!
https://twitter.com/MsKristinKreuk/status/1049733946894737408
The coward Kristin Kreuk still pretending nothing has happened. Still being shielded by the CW Network. She wants it all her way, being in the public eye without facing scrutiny about what you did.
When the CW Network airs this shitty virtue signalling crap, people will still be calling you out and more information about your cult involvement will come to light.
If Nxivm does have collateral on KK, why don’t we start a “go fund me” to purchase said collateral
with the purpose being, once obtained, to hand it over to the Sultan of six.
This should keep him SO busy that we would never hear his BS on this site anymore.
This will no doubt keep the sultan VERY happy,we will be rid of his BS word salad defense, and also
will keep the people that comment here (that he is very nasty with if they do not agree with his said crap) from saying all those bad things about him.
It’s a WIN WIN for ALL !!!!!!
#Sultanspank
Don’t enter the market for blackmail material.
Blackmail is always a dirty business no matter what the motive.
If NXIVM has blackmail material on Kristen Kreuk, you can bet that the FBI now has that information.
Perhaps it is buried in the 12 Terabytes of digital data in Nancy Salzman’s computers and storage devices.
If so it behooves Ms. Kreuk to cooperate with the FBI and try to get ahead of the story.
Are the FBI even aware Joe O’Hara named Kreuk in his lawsuit back in 2012? Have they checked her tax records for any mention of NXIVM? You are right about all that digital data. NXIVM would hold on to a lot so whatever information they have on Kreuk, it is now in the FBI’s hands. Meanwhile, people will continue calling Kreuk out. It is her own fault.
Here is the pdf file of O’Hara’s lawsuit against Raniere that names both Kreuk and Mack as being possibly involved in NXIVM’s illegal financial schemes.
This lawsuit was filed back in 2012.
Scroll down to Page 62 of 81 and you will find both Kreuk’s and Mack’s names listed as :
Other Individuals Who May Have Participated In Tortious And/Or Illegal
Activities – And/Or Who May Have Benefitted Financially From The
Operations Of NXIVMlESP And/Or Other NXIVMlESP-Related Business
Entities
https://ia801003.us.archive.org/30/items/292927-ohara-v-raniere/292927-ohara-v-raniere.pdf
That list is a whos who of top NXIVM people. The fact that Kreuk was named alongside those being investigated today, i.e. Allison Mack etc does not fit comfortably with her bogus claim of never experiencing any illegal or nefarious activity…
The FBI will have to examine NXIVM’s computer files to understand what Kristen Kreuk’s role in the cult was.
It bears repeating the words of AUSA Moira Penza that almost everyone in NXIVM with a sash level or higher was either involved in criminal activity or was a witness to such activity.
Over 150 people were at a sash level or higher.
According to the coach list posted by John Tigue, Kreuk was a yellow sash with two stripes. Also, it is not known what year that list is from. Maybe she ended up ranked even higher, even by just one stripe. Information will come out.
…and they know Kristin Kreuk was named in it.
However they must investigate all one hundred people named and so aren’t scheduled to get to KK till 2020…about the time her “taxpayer funded” TV show enters its fourth season.
By the way, how many of the other 100 people named have made public statements condemning NXIVM like you demand KK to do? Why aren’t you calling them out by name to come forward?
People are focused mainly on celebrities, it’s quite sad.
Who cares if it’s clickbait? The truth is the public has serious concerns about KK s lack of answers. No matter how many times it is brought up until she steps forward and gives legitimate answers it’s not going to stop. I think she’s not sure what is going to come out about her involvement.so rather than dig herself into a deeper hole she is waiting. Imo she knew about DOS in its conception and chose to leave. If that is the case find a way to safely remove yourself (she did) and then go to the FBI (she didn’t) . DOS didn’t just start one day, it had to have taken years to formulate with Keith at the helm. To create this extensive labyrinth of collateral, multiple collateral per person and implement it in two different countries at least. Nor do you talk someone into this without constant reinforcement. If the branding started in 2015 then 2013 would be a reasonable time for the plans to begin. When Kristin finds out what the feds have on her we will then on hear from her attorneys and or publicists.
Hi. DOS was formed in 2015 and was exposed in 2017. Not sure when the brandings started, but the conception of DOS started in 2015. Also, while Kreuk says she left in 2013, she was still spotted around in 2015. Another person who may have inside knowledge, I think her name is “ionwhitepoetry” said Kreuk was still around in 2016. I can definitely state she was still involved in 2015.
Formed in 2015. Did the idea pop up on Saturday and branding on Wednesday?
I’m suggesting the idea for DOS started long before it was formed.
Perhaps Raniere had plans before 2015, however those messages between Allison Mack and Keith Raniere in 2015 suggest they started planning it in 2015. There is an article on Frank Report about it.
https://frankreport.com/2018/08/16/chloes-letter-to-superman-could-have-been-allison-macks-letter-to-vanguard/
“According to FBI Special Agent Lever, on August 10, 2015, Allison Mack sent an email to Raniere with the subject titled “vow 3” and included an attached letter. In the letter, Mack used the terms “slave” and ”master” to refer to herself and Raniere.”
Wow, either I’d forgotten this or never saw it. My brain messes things up sometimes. Ok 2015.
Look I don’t think Kristin wanted any part of DOS. I’m really hoping she didn’t. What we get involved in at age 23 and how much we change by 30 can be like 2 different people. I’m trying to picture being part of something let’s say a book club. You belong for years make friends do crazy things together on occasion, maybe take a few raunchy pictures, it’s just a group of girls. Then something so horrendous is suggested by these trusted long time friends you don’t know which way to turn. This is of course hypothetical. You are obviously way more in the know than I am. And I hope you weren’t caught up in this. As a woman I’m trying to see how normal people get caught up in cults. And how do you extricate yourself when it goes bad?
I was never in NXIVM. However, I indirectly know through a reliable third party source that Kristin Kreuk was involved with NXIVM in 2015, beyond her 2013 claim.
Hmm…who to believe? Some random anonymous poster with no credibility to his or her name who claims to have a third party source. Or Sarah Edmondson whose story is largely responsible for being the catalyst to bringing NXIVM down?
I wish other life decisions were only so easy.
“I indirectly know through a reliable third party source that Kristin Kreuk was involved with NXIVM in 2015.”
Share your information.
In what way was she involved?
What did your source say she did?
And what makes you think your source is “reliable”?
Are you the one who keeps repeating that” Kreuk muled money every week”, tho no one ever has given any details nor said how they know, despite many many requests that they do so.
Come on, Share your information.
NXIVM’s harem had existed for years..
It was only in 2015 as Pam Cafritz was fading away from cancer, that DOS was formed and the branding began in earnest.
And there is no way Kristin Kreuk did not know about the harem either when she was recruiting for this monster under false pretenses.
Yes even as early as 2009 Raniere had his harem and had been involved with underage girls.
And there was also the allegation that Raniere had falsely imprisoned a young woman because she would not sleep with him.
Anyone who spent time at NXIVM’s Albany HQ around 2009 knew about Raniere’s many sexual peccadilloes.
“Anyone who spent time at NXIVM’s Albany HQ around 2009 knew about Ranieri’s many sexual peccadilloes.”
Wasn’t Frank around then?
My questions primarily stem from her travels back and forth between Tacoma and Vancouver, and whether she was a cash mule.
Other than that, wanting her to admit the truth about her involvement is mostly just an inherent dislike for dishonest people, which is also pretty silly because there is so much evidence to the contrary of her statement.
– just an inherent dislike for dishonest people,
ROFL. Some of the most dishonest bullshit I’ve ever read.
Go away you old pathetic creature. Kristin Kreuk herself would think you were a pathetic creep.
-Notice how she carefully stated that she was 23 when she joined but left 5 years ago. She knows people can google her age and see she was in for 7 years, but she knows the majority of the social media world wouldn’t check and it doesn’t sound as long when you word it that way.
How would she know such a thing about the “majority of the social media world”? What in her statement implies she was in it for a short time? She said she joined when she was 23 and left about five years ago. Simple math tells a person to subtract 5 years from her age at which she made her statement and then subtract that from 23 to get the approximate length of time she spent in NXIVM. That’s elementary school level math. She took her first intensive in June of 2006 and was officially out around the start of 2013 according to her statement supported by Sarah Edmondson. That’s about 6.5 years she was involved with it. There’s also nothing in such a statement that suggests the depth or frequency of her involvement. That would have to be ascertained from an actual schedule of NXIVM related events, e.g., coursework, intensives, weekend get-togethers, etc., that she participated in.
-She goes on to deflect the accusations that were being made about her being in Raniere’s “inner circle” nor “recruited women as ‘sex slaves.’ She didn’t deny recruiting people into NXIVM, which is part of her job as a coach and has been seen through her videos and involvement in various programs aimed at recruiting.
That’s not “deflection”. That’s an outright denial.
Recruiting is part and parcel to all Multi-level Marketing (MLM) types businesses like NXIVM. That is the only way such businesses can turn a profit. Recruiting has nothing to do with being a coach. Being a coach has to do with the product or service they sell.
– She’s only denying to being part of Raniere’s harem or recruiting women directly into it. She claims that “During my time, I never experienced any illegal or nefarious activity.” Maybe she didn’t. But it doesn’t seem likely — since she was part of the Necker Island visit.
Non-sequitur. There has never been any substantiated evidence that the Necker Island visit resulted in anything illegal, nor that all of its participants knew of such activities even if they happened. The fact of the matter is, even John Tighe on his blog only stated that Kristin was going to help to “sell its [NXIVM’s] poison” in the Vancouver area, but never suggested or implied that she was doing or going to do anything illegal.
– Even if she wasn’t part of the inner circle, she still used her star power to recruit and coach people into the cult, and some of them might have ended up deeper into the cult or worse — they were turned into sex slaves.
Again, no evidence has been given as to the number of people she recruited, nor of anyone who may have been negatively impacted by such recruitment that can pass the slippery slope smell test as to her being the primary cause to such ramifications.
-She wraps it up with a message to those who were brave and expose DOS… not EXP or NXIVM, she is singling DOS out as if that is the only thing that needed exposed. Sure, she says, she is “deeply disturbed and embarrassed to have been associated with NXIVM” and hopes for “justice for all those affected.”
What “other things” need to be exposed? Illegal activities? That would presuppose she has knowledge of them which she already denied. Just because you can’t believe that she doesn’t have such knowledge doesn’t mean she does. An argument from incredulity is logically fallacious, and simply being named in a lawsuit (which has been dismissed with prejudice) or that she participated in the Necker Island isn’t enough evidence to overcome that.
– Now if Kreuk wanted to clear her name,
This presupposes that she has to do something more to clear her name than she already did in her statement.
– and bring justice to those affected, she could have continued by saying she would be happy to speak to law enforcement connected to the case and co-operate in any way she can. Say she doesn’t have any info that helps the trial, she would have truly cleared her name.
Why would she go public and tell the whole world that she’s speaking to law enforcement even if she was? That’s just a silly supposition.
– She could use her star power to lead the charge against NXIVM, encouraging others to leave the cult or testify against Raniere & Co. Instead, after that one comment,
Why would she “lead the charge” against NXIVM or testify against Raniere & Company if she herself didn’t experience anything illegal or nefarious?
– she refuses to answer any questions about NXIVM.
There could be plenty of reasons for that, one of which is that she was done with it a long time ago and she rightfully doesn’t want her name to be associated with the group anymore because it’s now become poison to anything it effectively touches.
– The truth is Kreuk was very close to the inner circle, with Mack, Clyne, Edmondson and the Bronfmans.
She is celebrity no matter how small of one somebody might subjectively think she is. That automatically gave her VIP status to knowing the alleged “inner circle”, whatever that phrase encompasses. That doesn’t make her a part of it, nor does it make her partner to any crimes or nefarious activities they committed. She’s only responsible for her own actions.
– All of who were part of the ‘inner circle’ and all DOS sex slaves.
Yeah so? Not all who were DOS slaves were part of the inner circle. And Kristin denies being part of the inner circle and she was gone from NXIVM before the secret DOS even formed so she could never have been a part of it.
– Sure DOS came around later, but the harem has always been there.
There’s nothing illegal about adults having sex.
– Which brings me to the thing that interests me most. Why did Kreuk leave? After 7 years of intensives, recruiting, coaching, trips to Necker Island, etc… what brought her to decide to leave?
You’ll have to ask her. Maybe she got all that she wanted out of it and wanted to focus on her career which then got more time consuming. Judging from the chronology of her career, that is exactly what happened.
– My bet is that not only is Kreuk trying to keep it from hurting her acting career,
The only people who can hurt her career are herself and decision makers in the industry she has to deal with that may think that her participation in NXIVM while she was in it at the time may negatively impact their public perception as a company or the bottom line of any project she takes part in. They currently don’t seem to have any doubts or problems about it.
– but maybe they have collateral on her and she’s not willing to risk it.
Collateral is a DOS term.
You are a pathetic fan who wrecks and spoils the comments section with all your white knighting. You should be banned from commentating on this site. You cannot stand any criticism of this NXIVM member. You create fake aliases pretending to be lots of people but you are exposed each and every time. If Mr Joe O’Hara indeed knows who you are like he thinks he does, then he should reveal who you are. You are pathetic. All the aggressive comments on this site lately are related to you. You show up and wreck the comments. Go away.
And there you have it. A vile scumbag. You are in your sixties stalking a celebrity half your age you are obsessed by. If your real name and face were exposed, the internet would destroy you for your sad life. You would become a meme.
http://www.hollilla.com/reader.php?action=thread&thread=6927907
Cry me a river. Like usual, you trolls have no response to an actual argument and only return ad hominems and then cry when the same is reflected upon you.
You are obsessed with bringing Kristin down. The question is why? Depending upon the sex, there are just a few motivations that anyone with a functioning mind still in possession of its rational capabilities can discern them.
AND NONE OF IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH HER ASSOCIATION TO NXIVM.
That is only being used as an excuse to persistently attack her here in the comments.
You have no argument. You are blinded by your obsession with Kristin Kreuk. You have argued with anyone and everyone, commentators, Frank Parlato, Joe O’Hara, John Tigue, Omar Rosales and others who have been involved with the cult who know so much more than you. You know nothing but talk like you are an expert on all things Kristin Kreuk/NXIVM. And seeing as you enjoy gifs so much, I can do it too:
What other half asian celebrities do you stalk then?
http://www.hollilla.com/reader.php?action=thread&thread=6927907
“He’s an online character aka ‘SultanOfSix’; a self-hating Indian nut who has an obsession with half Asian women, yet detests pure Asians.
He has stalked several half Asian celebrities online for years.
He engaged in a disgusting racist forum online where 90% of the posts was abusive racism directed at East Asians.
He has recently stated on here that only ‘nerdy, white, socially inept, fifty plus year old males with an Asian fetish’ could be attracted to Asian women.
What do you think of this sick loser of a poster?
I personally think he should *beep* permanently off this board.”
And no, I am not affiliated with NXIVM in any way shape or form. You disgust me as much as they do. I hope the administrators ban this freak to keep the comments section free from stalker superfans.
Unrelated to the article post, but related to the above comment. He annoys everyone everywhere it seems.
http://www.hollilla.com/reader.php?action=thread&thread=6927907
First I would like to say that this was a rant/reply in the comments of the “More evidence that Kristin Kreuk was deep into recruiting for NXIVM – with Allie Mack and Nicki Clyne” article on 10/7, I didn’t think that it would get posted as a ‘guest view’ article or I would have spent some more time filling in details to support my statements. There are a few things I would probably change the way I worded it, but I didn’t spend a lot of time looking back over it because I thought it was just getting thrown in the comment box.
Now, on to your critique:
Let’s start with Kreuk’s attempt to downplay the length and depth of her involvement in NXIVM. One of the things I would change is the “majority of the social media world” it’s poorly worded and generic, but what I mean is the general public does not intake NXIVM news the way those of us who are on FrankReport regularly. Most of her fans or people that came across her post probably don’t know how old she is or bother to Google how old she is. She is a very attractive girl and doesn’t look that much older than her Smallville years. That being said, yea lots of the articles pointed out it was 7 years. And yes it is ‘simple math’ but the way things are worded sometimes have a reason. When someone states their age then how many years ago she left, and said it was a short time… when you’re 35 years old that is almost half of your adult life. So then we can argue about perception of what ‘short time’ is. Most people don’t consider 7 years a short time. So taking that into consideration, it does seem like she’s downplaying how long she was there and how involved she was.
Now onto the part where I said she was deflecting, you say it’s an outright denial. I wish I quoted her original comment to go along with what I was saying, but since it was meant to be a comment on an article that had it there I didn’t think it was necessary. But let’s look at her exact words “The accusations that I was in the “inner circle” or recruited women as “sex slaves” are blatantly false. During my time, I never experienced any illegal or nefarious activity. I am horrified and disgusted by what has come out about DOS.”
So yes, she is denying any part of being in “the ‘inner circle’ or recruited women as ‘sex slaves’ are blatantly false” that is the outright denial, I agree. But, saying she was only there for a short period of time and never recruited people into the inner circle or to become sex slaves she never clarifies what she was doing and deflects from the fact that she recruited and coached for NXIVM.
For me, this is the damning evidence, the fact that Kreuk brought Mack into it. Mack became a sex slave and a master. So in turn, Kreuk did recruit someone for sure into NXIVM that eventually became part of the inner circle and a sex slave. It may not have been on purpose, but she is responsible for Mack’s introduction to NXIVM. If she never invited her, Mack might never have become the Vanguards sex slave.
https://frankreport.com/2018/04/12/secrets-of-allison-mack-as-mack-ordered-hildreths-girlfriend-to-be-sex-slave/
Would you consider this using their star power to recruit?
Here is a video of Kreuk and Mack promoting their NXIVM survey for college kids:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ4aEk9Ecoc&app=desktop
Here is the link where Kreuk and Mack were promoting the A Capella Innovations which was another recruitment tool for NXIVM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amLPa8I1KU0
Here is a video from the A Capella Innovations with a Keith Raniere quote behind them. You have Allison Mack and Kristen Kreuk and Nicki Clyne.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGdSRjfqxAM
Here is a video of Kreuk with fellow NXIVM coach Kendra Voth promoting Girls By Design to help teen girls with self esteem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYKLc8eabzo
Here is a link proving that nefarious things were exposed when Kreuk was still in NXIVM
https://artvoice.com/2018/02/02/smallvilles-kristin-kreuk-left-nxivm-sex-cult-summer-2012-months-cult-leader-raniere-exposed-pedophile/#.W712ZGhKjDc
This is an article from Feb 2012 listed Kreuk as a student and recruiter.
https://www.timesunion.com/local/article/NXIVM-courts-rich-powerful-and-influential-3253818.php
That is Kreuk using her star power to bring people into NXIVM. She may have been blind or brainwashed and may have had good intentions, but some of the unknown sex slaves could be women that joined NXIVM because of her. Considering the fact that we don’t know who all the sex slaves are, maybe an apology for anyone who was there because of her celebrity status directly or indirectly would have been worth the effort. I know it would eat at me if someone could possibly be a sex slave because of me that’s for sure.
When I said Kreuk should lead the charge against NXIVM, if she is truly innocent she could still use her star power, her voice to speak out to those who are in hiding to come forward to the authorities for their protection and to bring down the Vanguard. She doesn’t need to have been in the inner circle or the nefarious aspects of NXIVM to do so. That’s exactly why people mocked her being in Burden of Truth.
Half of your attack regarding the inner circle and DOS is contradicted with your statement “Not all who were DOS slaves were part of the inner circle.” Kreuk didn’t have to be in the inner circle or bring people into the inner circle for them to end up as sex slaves.
And yes, there is nothing illegal about adults having sex, but do you think that Raniere became more extreme with the formation of DOS or was it a more organized form of what was already there? Maybe a more extreme form of the pre-existing harem.
In response to your reply to my asking why she left: “You’ll have to ask her. Maybe she got all that she wanted out of it and wanted to focus on her career which then got more time consuming. Judging from the chronology of her career, that is exactly what happened.” You don’t know that is exactly what happened. And if it was that simple, why not answer the questions coming from reporters and her fans. An interview would clear so much up. This game of silence only raises the question of her involvement.
Yes, collateral is a DOS term. My point was that she had ‘minimal contact’ with anyone in NXIVM since she left. We don’t know an exact time, she says 5 years ago, others say that she was spotted after that. Who is she having contact with, how often, and why? A cordial cup of coffee? A Necker island extravaganza? A branding session at an old friends house? We don’t know because she hasn’t clarified anything beyond one short paragraph that tells a narrative. You don’t think someone who is guilty couldn’t have said the same thing? I hope Kreuk is clean and the FBI doesn’t find something on her regarding some of the other law bending/breaking NXIVM took part of.
I really hope Kreuk is innocent. The FBI has called NXIVM an organized criminal organization with a large reach of nefarious activities beyond DOS.
Just to clarify, I’m responding to SultanOfSix
The full article is a well reasoned opinion of an intelligent poster, but his end speculation of KK’s collateral is just that–speculation—yet Frank chose that as the misleading, provocative, clickbait headline.
It is not click bait. You are another fan who can’t stand any criticisms towards Kristin Kook.
Thank you. I thought hard about excluding the collateral part, but then again a lot of what I said is speculative so it was fitting to include.
Your post was as valid or more than any I’ve read here. The collateral issue was speculative, sure, but so is much here.
But collateral has come to mean on this blog as sex pix, given to join DOS–but DOS happened after she was no longer a regular ESPian.
Some here accuse KK of tax fraud or money launders (with scant evidence) but if she is guilty of this, that could be considered collateral to blackmail her into silence…but that would also expose NXIVM to the same crime. IF SHE DID SUCH CRIMES.
Or, KK could have revealed some embarrassing personal secrets in her “therapy” sessions, which were often recorded in some way and often used to control/brainwash members. That could be used as “collateral” to silence her.
Also, she surely had knowledge of the litigious nature of NXIVM and maybe kept quiet so not to be sued like other EXpians.
Or maybe she is just smart to stay quiet. Maybe she knows that if she speaks out more openly, her celebrity will put herself in the media as the Sex Cult Star…like she was for awhile when Mack was charged…even tho KK had never been involved in DOS.
I’m sure Frank thanks you for your post…it sure generated a lot of clicks.
I agree that Kreuk is making a mistake in not talking about NXIVM because people are going to keep asking about it, especially because the trial hasn’t even started yet. And if she told interviewers that the cult has collateral on her, that would put the onus on Raniere and his co-defendants and make them look even worse
Kreuk is silent because she knows if the full truth of her involvement and knowledge of the cult was made public, she will only get bad publicity. Also, if she participated in illegal activity or knew about it, her name will have a bigger stain than it does on Frank Report.
A truly innocent person would not be silent like Kristin Kreuk. A truly innocent person would be screaming their innocence from the rooftops, especially if they are in the public eye and want to stay there.
@shadowstatesucksballs, so what are the facts you’re referring to? Instead of simply defending Kristen Kreuk, please enlighten us. I feel the article did stick to the facts.
Another lame click bait article. Sultan and Shadowperv will be all over this. Couple of nice photos for them to tug their little boats to.
I rest my case
Listen i get you’re a suppose fan but if you’re going to write shit like that know you’re goddamn facts you start making these kinds of claims about Kristen being one of Keith’s lovers.