Guest View: Raniere may be in a fugue state

By Smith

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The fugue state is a psychiatric disorder characterized by reversible amnesia for personal identity, including the memories, personality, and other identifying characteristics of individuality. It can last days, months or longer. Is Keith Raniere [above] suffering from it?
One thing to add, about that fugue state. That’s the reason prisoners usually don’t want frequent contact with people they knew on the outside. Reminders of how their life was before prison conflict with the life they now live, to the point where focusing on the realities of imprisonment becomes a way of protecting one’s own psychological landscape.

Raniere doesn’t have this right now. In all likelihood, he’s noodling over his defense and the possibility of somehow avoiding a long stretch. He’s working up wild fantasies that hold other people accountable for his actions and thinking about how plausible a jury might find his stories. He might actually believe these charges are someone else’s fault and that person is the one who belongs in jail. But he is doing everything he can, rational and otherwise, to preserve this sense of self where he’s some hero saving the world. That’s just human nature.

The closer Raniere gets to his actual trial date, the more this situation will be working against him, in terms of who he sees himself as being. When he is actually confronted with evidence of his misdeeds in court, regardless of whether or not he’s ultimately convicted, that is going to have a big impact on who he is as a person. There’s a pace to all trials where people are forced to make decisions about whether to save themselves or hang others out to dry. You don’t get a lot of time to think about it, you do what’s in your nature. No one is really innocent, it’s just whether or not you were convicted.

To the NXIVM people that frequent this board, it’s very true to say prison changes the prisoner. Regardless of whether or not he’s sent to jail, Keith Raniere is not coming back. The person who emerges will be very different from the one you revered, disabused of the illusions he had of himself after shanking his fellows on the dock on to diminish responsibility for his own actions.

One does not use tech reboot from that. One simply lives with the horror or what they have done, there’s almost no difference whether or not that life is lived behind bars.

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  • fugue
    a contrapuntal composition in which a short melody or phrase (the subject) is introduced by one part and successively taken up by others and developed by interweaving the parts.
    a state or period of loss of awareness of one’s identity, often coupled with flight from one’s usual environment, associated with certain forms of hysteria and epilepsy.

  • In other words no matter what happens in the trial, if by some miracle vanguard gets out in his lifetime he is still no more. ESP and NXIVM are over and they aren’t coming back. Time to move on those of you still hanging on to this sinking ship.

    • DVD said, and I concur, that if KAR avoids conviction he will believe he beat the system, and will be up to his old ways in no time.

  • Somehow Keith Raniere does not strike me as a very reflective, contemplative person.

    A reflective, contemplative person would look back over the 50 or so civil lawsuits he lost and try to figure out what he was doing wrong.

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