Can we trust them? Nxivm – on the Executive Success Programs website – has made the following important announcement:
IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO OUR MEMBERS
“We will be in touch with more information for anyone currently enrolled in upcoming events/programs.
“While we are disappointed by the interruption of our operations, we believe it is warranted by the extraordinary circumstances facing the company at this time. We continue to believe in the value and importance of our work and look forward to resuming our efforts when these allegations are resolved.”
The message is unsigned. The announcement is certainly unprecedented. But is this a false flag?
To answer that question, you have to understand Nxivm-speak. For those who don’t, here is my translation of the message.
The original message is in bold. My translation follows in regular type.
IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO OUR MEMBERS
BULLSHIT MESSAGE TO OUR STILL-BRAINWASHED FOLLOWERS
It is with deep sadness that we inform you we are suspending all NXIVM/ESP enrollment, curriculum and events until further notice.
It is with deep confusion that we inform you we are pretending to suspend all NXIVM/ESP enrollment, curriculum and events until further notice. And please don’t ask why we have “enrollment” as a singular noun.
We will be in touch with more information for anyone currently enrolled in upcoming events/programs.
We will be working harder than ever in hiding our Human Trafficking operations, attempting to dodge law enforcement, and robotically and suicidally carrying out our deranged mission. But please don’t expect a refund for any program you already paid for because Vanguard has taught us that refunds are not joyful.
We will be in touch with more information for anyone currently enrolled in upcoming events/programs.
We will be in touch to make sure we keep you all sufficiently brainwashed and guilt-ridden so you are too intimidated to become witnesses against us.
While we are disappointed by the interruption of our operations, we believe it is warranted by the extraordinary circumstances facing the company at this time. We continue to believe in the value and importance of our work and look forward to resuming our efforts when these allegations are resolved.
While we are disappointed (which is just a dishonest way of saying we’re angry) by the interruption of our trafficking ring, we believe it is our only option to pretend we are backing down, given the incriminating evidence against us and our rapist/pedophile leader. We delusionally continue to believe in the value and importance of destroying humanity and our own livelihoods and will attempt to re-form under a different name.
On the top of the web page – beside the picture of the world’s second smartest man – is this quote: “We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them” – Albert Einstein.
And he who has the most joy wins.
I don’t believe this for a moment.
There is no fracking way that the company would let their top sheep go without an income. Clare Bear might have stopped paying the bills but they will move on to some other form of “teaching” so those that are dependant on NXIVM for an income will be able to make money.
Take someone like Lauren Salzman, she has not marketable skills outside of NXIVM. She came into the “crime family” right after college and has been there ever sense. How is she going to find a job with her name all over the internet as being a part of a cult? She will never, outside of such an organization, be able to make the kind of money she’s been making for decades, nor will she have the kind of power she’s had with this company.
Jness still has upcoming events over the summer into September. These are not cancelled at this time.
Even if ESP/NXIVM/Jness et all cease to exist under Bronfman/Salzman/Raniere, it will re-morph into something else. Those pesky Elliott bros are still able to hawk the tech.
The witches have had water poured over them and are melting. Rest assured no one is bring the now powerless OZ the broomstick.
Hip Hip Horary
Realistically, NXIVM can never resume operations even if they change to a new business name.
So I disagree with Frank on that point. It’ll never happen bro.
Sorry Frank, but if you truly think it through logically…..NXIVM and Keith Raniere can never REALISTICALLY resume operations and achieve success in recruting new people willing to pay $5k-$10k per class or attractive women willing to fuck that fat slob.
Even if a MIRACLE happened and Keith was acquitted of all charges and set free (which won’t happen)……..NXIVM still couldn’t resume operations under a new business name.
The PROBLEM is that Keith Raniere would ALWAYS have to be the ‘head’ of the organization no matter what ‘business name’ is being used (his ego won’t allow somebody else to take that role).
He can’t just hide in the background and not show his face…….since their whole business model is based on his image as a genius and his “rational inquiry” system.
But Keith’s own name is just as toxic as NXIVM’s name. That fact wouldn’t change with an acquittal, just like Harvey Weinstein will never work in showbiz again regardless of whether he’s ever convicted of criminal charges.
There won’t be an acquittal for Keith of course, I’m just using a hypothetical situation to make a point.
I don’t think the financial backers of NXIVM would be willing to keep funding Keith in the future IF he only has a few old/loyal harem members and no new recruits willing to take classes for exorbitant prices.
You can put a fork in NXIVM. They are DONE.
Almost all students (90+%) who do a 5-day intensive (granted a self-selected group) perceive it as enlightening and worth the money (of course part of that is unwillingness to admit they were conned into an overpriced derivative course).
Something like exo | eso, yoga-based, but re-labeled and with references to Raniere, Salzman(s), and Dr Danielle Roberts removed, could easily be viable.
Landmark Forum continues to make millions per year today.
When are the Feds going to arrest the other members of the gang?
11 weeks ago Lauren and Michelle Salzman began a Pinterest board they titled “mural – nursery”
You are a lil stalker aren’t you now.
We research. You stalk.
WIthout Keith, it is over. The entire organization relied on him taking enough walks with women in order to have them do the hard lifting for him. Without him hypnotizing the sheep, the un-incarcerated flock will gladly part ways and get a real life. If he sees the light of day again, it definitely aint over.
Could this just be that because Prefect is apparently in hiding that management has deteriorated so much that nobody can actually figure out what they’re supposed to be doing? She’s putting things on hold because there’s nothing to do and nobody competent still left in the group? I’m not sure I understand why there would be any value to a “false flag” operation of pretending you’re closed and doing Nxivm in secret for those few deluded loyalists still wanting more courses. This message would basically sound to a new recruit like they are admitting that Raniere is guilty, and since he’s the smartest man alive, nobody else could possibly lead the courses and the company the way he does, so there’s no point in becoming a new recruit.
Hands down the funniest thing I have read in a long time. My sides are hurting! Thanks Frank!
The Knife Media, whose staff is 100% ESP members, is still publishing as of May 25.
It is reported that staff writers get paid almost nothing for their “spin and logic analysis” and subscriptions are pricey, so maybe they can keep going. But if it depended on subsidies from the NXIVM mother ship, or from Clare Bronfman, I expect it will fold soon.
Especially if it is really true that Rosa Laura Junco’s father cut her off. Hopefully Pam Cafritz’ account that she and Keith were signers on has been frozen.
So, Frank did what none of our local law enforcement agencies was unable or unwilling to do – shut down NXIVM.
What does that say about Albany County District Attorney P. David Soares? Or former Saratoga County District Attorney James Murphy – and current (but not for long) Saratoga County District Attorney Kathleen Heggen? Or former New York State Attorneys General Andrew Cuomo and Eric Schneiderman? Or Vadim Thomas, the former Special Agent-in-Charge of the FBI Office in Albany, NY who was very recently (and very quietly) replaced by Acting Special Agent-in-Charge Janelle Miller? Or Richard S. Hartunian, the former U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of New York – and his successor, Grant C. Jaquith? Or New York State Police Lt. Colonel George P. Beach – and the intrepid New York State Police Senior Investigator Rodger Kirsopp?
If the U.S. Attorneys Office for the Eastern District of New York could take down all these corrupt and/or inept public officials, Albany would be a whole lot better off!
what about rainbow?
Who could imagine that the organization announced to close it’s doors. Let us hope the information is correct – would be a novelty for their HP
How will Albany and the Capitol District survive the collapse of NXIVM?
I’ve got an idea.
In Chicago, an entire tourist industry has been built around honoring Chicago’s many gangsters and serial killers with bus tours taking the tourists to all the important crime spots.
Chicagoans are quite proud of their criminal underworld.
Come to Chicago for the Deep Dish Pizza and stay for the serial killers.
Albany can do the same with NXIVM.
Come to Albany and see Keith Raniere’s sex lair where he was serviced by dozens of sex slaves.
And just down the street is the townhouse where that great award winning (Teen Choice Award) actress Allison Mack branded and tortured the sex slaves.
If you’ve got lemons, make lemonade.
Sounds absurd…but I’m sure some enterprising scamp is renting a bus right now and advertising such a tour.
And there will be job opportunities for unindicted co-conspirators to work as tour bus guides.
Maybe it will morph into something similar to Civil War reenactments…with Volleyball games, walks thru the woods, 500 calorie food-court, plus KR/AM “brandings” (tattoos accompanied by the smell of burning flesh). Maybe even Vanguard facials.
The reenactments give aspiring actors a chance to use their overpriced Source training.
That’s the Spirit!
Always look at the bright side of life.
It would be funny…if it wasn’t so SAD BUT TRUE.
Actually, there were several serial killers in the Albany area. The Genesee River Killer, Arthur Shawcross, died in Albany. Gary Charles Evans operated out of Albany and was arrested after cops were tipped off when he tried to fence a cemetery park bench. Lemuel Smith also hunted in Albany and Colonie. And last but not least, the Zodiac Killer sent a letter to the Albany Times Union in 1973.
So, one could make a tour with all these ghoulish places INCLUDING the Dungeons of the NXIVM Sex and Torture Cult!
And the writer Washington Irving set many of his spooky stories like “Ichabod Crane and the Headless Horseman” and “Rip Van Winkle” in the Hudson Valley South of Albany.
The place has been haunted since it was settled by the Dutch Knickerbockers.
Fingers crossed, there are still enough sources within the org for it to get out what they are doing.
But how will I know if my inquiries are rational?
You can not. Remember you signed a confideniality agreement? Well, the wording of that agreement was such that you can NOT even let your subcontious mind think about the contents of the program without the presence of one of Vangards lieutenants.
When you SMILE, the world smiles with you.
Very interesting article by Vice. https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/ywepkk/a-cult-expert-tells-us-why-the-nxivm-story-is-far-from-over
There is no corresponding announcement from ESP Mexico. While Betancourt and Salinas have distanced themselves (sincerely or not), the Mexican company has just taken the position that it had nothing to do with DOS,. If they removed the portraits of Raniere and Salzman, and the references to Vanguard and Prefect from the curriculum, they could probably continue the original scam under a new name. Raniere won’t be in a position to sue them for copyright infringement….
In Canada, Sarah Edmondson seems to have done a good job of exploding the Vancouver ESP center, but there is still Lucas Roberts, and probably some other true-believers that could also continue the original scam with the same changes as Mexico.
The highest ranks in Albany will be in orange jumpsuits soon, but not everyone. There will be enough true believers that no longer have any real world skills that will want to continue the original scam (without DOS). Albany and New York City will be too toxic, but they could set up elsewhere.
Their first choice would probably be Los Angeles, given how well the ESP message sells with desperate young actors. So Mark Vicente, Bonnie Piesse, and Catherine Oxenberg, we are counting on you to look out for ESP re-forming under a new name.
Seattle (or rather Tacoma) had a center in the past, and San Francisco was a target. Anchorage has a history too.
Lucas is still involved? That’s a shame. I really liked him when I met him in my Intensive. He seemed intelligent, but guess not if he stayed. Is his wife and her sister still involved?
Perhaps some Nxiter in Vancouver has more current information, but Lucas Roberts was said in Frank Report to be the last stalwart in Society of Protectors.
Diana Lim moved to Montreal where she teaches psychology at Concordia.
Leah Lim Mottishaw (she married Shane Mottishaw, another ESPian) is still listed as writing for The Knife Media (all staff are ESPians).
Teaches psychology and recruits Concordia students to NXIVM if you believe the complaints people have posted on Reddit, which, of course, Concordia won’t comment on a staff matter.
Lucas is now the head of the Society of Proctologists. Bc he was so far up Keith’s Ass…
Yes. They are all still heavily involved. Both his gf and her sister are DOS slave/master. The sisters’ husband and Lucas are ok with their partners having sex with Raniere “if it supports the mission”. They all consider themselves martyrs and noble. All of their families have been contacted, but are also heavily brainwashed by their kids. The sister/gf mom is also heavily involved with NXIVM. Lucas is intelligent, but intelligence doesn’t matter here, it’s a matter of how long he’s been brainwashed and programmed for.
If this were chess, this would be “checkmate”.
If this were tennis, this would be “game, set and match”.
If I were you Frank, I’d commission a web cartoon artist to draw a couple cartoons of you and Keith (or you, Keith and Clare) playing poker and showing your hands at the showdown…..with you coming out on top (after everybody has pushed in all of their chips into the center of the table).
Or maybe another cartoon drawing showing Keith being led away in handcuffs (or behind bars) with a worried look on his face, along with an image of your face looking at him with a cigar in your mouth and smiling.
Or whatever. I’m sure you can come up with better ideas. LOL.
Actually, if it were me I’d commission a cartoon showing Keith bending over grabbing his ankles (behind bars), looking backward in pain but not showing the guy behind him who’s stretching out his butthole (e.g. just letting the viewer “imagine” that’s what’s happening….but still keeping it PG rated). …with a clever caption maybe, LOL.
You can actually commission cartoon drawings for fairly cheap online if you find a good freelancer. It would be cool if you had some graphics like that on your site or within your articles. LOL.
Anyway, you sure demolished Keith. I’m sure he regrets the day he messed with you. 🙂
A better cartoon would be a woman branding Raneire in the butt with the initials “FR”.
LOL web within the greater web?
Idk, I’m going to suspend my cognitive dissonance here and believe the original message too
Webs within a larger web… lolz.
Idk, somehow I’m going to manage to drop my cognitive dissonance and actually believe the original message.
Did they have anything scheduled to actually cancel?
V-Week was cancelled…
The Vanguard didn’t want anyone else having a good time while he is locked up.
What a selffish prick!
Attention all you lady Espians:
I am proud to announce H-Week! Registration now open.
Now start packing the bathing suits.