Former students of Jness recalled that Keith Raniere taught that some women had their first orgasm when they were raped.
Raniere may know from firsthand experience.
He may not have been referring to statutory rape, which he has been previously accused of – although no charges were ever pressed.
Raniere has often introduced extreme ideas in the form of questions.
Here’s one: If a rape victim has an orgasm, is it an act of consensual sex?
ESPians might discuss this with another question: ‘What does it mean if a woman realized that, in spite of what she thought before the rape began, she actually wanted to be raped and ‘loved every minute of it’?
Is it still rape?
Raniere has been accused by several women of forcible rape, but no charges were were ever filed.
One frightened woman approached a New York State Trooper about pursuing rape charges against Raniere more than a year after she alleged it occurred.
The trooper, who was familiar with Raniere, dissuaded her, saying it would be difficult-to-impossible to prove rape without physical evidence.
I was with the woman when she spoke to the trooper.
I can imagine the pimp women of Raniere, who taught Jness, and are part of his harem, opening up the rape/orgasm connection to discussion groups.
If a slender, long haired, young, and attractive woman admitted she had trouble achieving orgasms, I can imagine Pam Cafritz or Lauren Salzman suggesting that Vanguard might be able to help.
In any event, a man who has been accused of raping women and girls, teaches that rape can bring orgasms to women.
selamun aleykum agalar
These are the ramblings of a dead man walking.
This site is so one sided. I meant that Keith cannot rape a woman for by the time he finishes he has marked her for life. It is like the Romans carrying the brides across the threshold of Rome. It started as rape to the woman but before he completes his task she sees it for what it is; Divine bliss. So AJ has an Orgasm. This is her way of spiritually accepting his divinity. He has an orgasm and gives her hai divine seed which means he now owns her forever. How can anyone call this rape. It is divine healing !!! The comments on this website are foolish.
Hi Monte Coward
How about I give you a little dose of divinity? Or something a little more lethal….
Since I am the self-proclaimed Flower Goddess I am entitled to do as I please to you, whether you like it or not.
You do understand the levels of stupid and illogical you reach with your comments, right?
Vanguard doesn’t guvr a damn thing about spirituality except to abuse for his purposes. He engages in a polyamorous lifestyle which is completely antithetical to the notion. He’s had underage sex with girls as young as twelve. He manipulates people out of their money and time. He’s lazy. He lives off of the fortunes of rich people. He doesn’t help the poor, disabled, or less fortunate. He indulges in food. Have you ever seen a pudgy ascetic or Yogi? The Buddha belly wasn’t because he was fat. It is a hyperbolic representation of his meditative date and his belly breathing.
Vanguard is “spiritual” only if a rock is your standard.
“guvr” should be *give.
“meditative date” should be meditative *state.
Monte, why don’t you own up that you are indeed Keith Raniere? For once instead of pretending, own up. No one other than Keith can come up with this kind of justification for rape. Even if one buys into your unethical justification for Keith raping women, if that was truly the case there wouldn’t be women who who had been raped by him saying he raped them.
Oh grow up! What a ridiculous old fool you are.
@Monte Blu You truly are sick and I’d highly recommend you get mental help.
as a rape victim. I hope you die a thousand deaths, the way I’ve been forced to do. sincerely and truly, I hope you stub your little toe. next time you think about breathing, reconsider.
You rat bastards twist everything Keith does or says
Keith was trying to teach women something. If a woman is raped and through it she learns to have orgasms which she never had before isn’t it logical to ask how much pain did she get from the single rape versus how much pleasure she will get the rest of her life from thousands of orgasms? Besides rape by Vanguard is not rape like it says in the Bible. God raped Mary who had Jesus. Vanguard has the divine seed it’s not like some common fanfaron raped a woman. Let’s use some realistic distinctions. But oh no you dirty rats with your criminal minds see dirt and filth everywhere. You have your mind in the gutter while we have our minds soaring with the stars!
You sound mentally challenged.
I think it’s pretty easy to see. VanDouche threw out to whoever he was teaching as a thought experiment some fantastic scenario that never occurs in reality to effectively excuse rape. It’s a way of validating what is known to be an evil act if it produces something that is known to be good. It’s a very Machiavellian way to post rationalize the end justifying the means.
Deranged.
Perhaps Keith getting raped in prison might be a good thing after all. What does it mean if Keith believes something really good happened to him after getting ass raped in prison? What does it mean if Keith believes every person raping him is God and has the divine seed in them?
If you’re going to cite the Bible, you’d better get the story correct. God did not rape Mary. The Angel Gabriel visited Mary and informed her that she has found favour with God and that she has been chosen to bear His son.
Luke 1:38 “Mary answered, ‘I am the Lord’s servant. Let everything you’ve said happen to me.’”
Mary said “yes”. She gave consent. Rape is never consentual.
Monte F U
Speaking from experience (an experience that unfortunately is extremely common for women) I can tell you the terror of being attacked in that way is not pleasurable in any way.
Since you are such an idiot, I sincerely hope that a couple of guys, much bigger and stronger than you, twist your arms behind your back, cover your mouth so you can’t scream, and threaten to rape you. Luckily, my attackers were interrupted at that point,…but maybe you won’t be so lucky, Mr. BLU. Maybe you will get to experience this type of pleasure yourself one day.
God did not ‘rape’ Mary you idiot – what an awful justification for what it is that you do, Keith. I live for the day you are put away and experience your first “rapegasm” — for surely you WILL have one you evil old latent.
Apparently asphyxiation has the same effect on men.
I’m trying to imagine a small cross-eyed woman vanguard in velcro trainers, explaining to her male harem that she’s only strangling them half to death for the purposes of sexual healing.
Ha! Humor aside, nonetheless it is only men who are or act like beasts who rape women. Toni Natalie has alleged Raniere raped her multiple times. Reading about the amount of harassment he enforced upon her by way of years of litigation to either silence her or cause her all sorts of trouble, combined with all of the current information surrounding Raniere, NXIVM, DOS, etc., I don’t have a hard time believing what she stated is true.
Sex is supposed to be dignified as a physical and emotional union of two complements. What kind of strange enjoyment does someone get out of one of nature’s most pleasurable experiences if it isn’t mutual and one party forces their self upon another to inflict the opposite? Or do like the guys who slip drugs into a woman’s drink and then have their way with them while they lie out of it lifeless on a bed?
“Raniere has been accused by several women of forcible ape”
Add beastiality to his list of crimes.