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By Faithful Skeptic

I think it’s worth exposing that the Five Part Series A Woman Inside NXIVM is largely plagiarized from George Orwell’s 1984.

Many of us took this series at face value, and Keith’s apparent obsession with 1984. I think he or someone supporting him is writing these posts to make him sound more intimidating than he actually is.

We all know Keith isn’t smart enough to actually threaten people this intelligibly. All he can do is talk in word salad and make people feel insecure. Giving him great lines written by a classic author makes him sound like a brilliant dictator with real power instead of the whiny, manipulative manchild he is.

https://frankreport.com/2017/12/30/part-4-nxivm-woman-what-vanguard-told-me-he-would-do-if-i-left-him-as-if-he-were-god/ is largely plagiarism of George Orwell’s 1984.

Here are some of the copy/pasted parts:

Raniere said: These contradictions are not accidental, nor do they result from hypocrisy: they are deliberate exercises. For it is only by reconciling contradictions that disintegrations are removed. 

Orwell [1984]:  These contradictions are not accidental, nor do they result from ordinary hypocrisy: they are deliberate exercises in doublethink. For it is only by reconciling contradictions that power can be retained indefinitely.

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Raniere: Understand, if you and the other High Rank, as we call them, are to keep your places –  then the prevailing mental condition of all members must be controlled.

Orwell [1984]: If the High, as we have called them, are to keep their places permanently—then the prevailing mental condition must be controlled insanity.

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Ivy: One question at any rate was answered.  …. Never, for any reason on earth, could I wish for an increase of pain.

Orwell: One question at any rate was answered. Never, for any reason on earth, could you wish for an increase of pain.

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Ivy: Of pain I could wish only one thing: that it would stop. Nothing in the world was so bad as physical pain. In the face of pain, there were no heroes, no heroes, I thought over and over as I writhed on the branding table at Allison’s house, clutching uselessly at the edge of the table while my arms and legs were held down and Dr. Roberts looked down at me leaning over like one who was demented.

Orwell: Of pain you could wish only one thing: that it should stop. Nothing in the world was so bad as physical pain. In the face of pain there are no heroes, no heroes, he thought over and over as he writhed on the floor, clutching uselessly at his disabled left arm.

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Raniere: I tell you, he continued, that reality is not external. Reality exists in the human mind, and nowhere else. Not in the individual mind, which can make mistakes, and in any case soon perishes: only in my mind,  which is immortal. Whatever I hold to be truth, is truth. It is impossible to see reality except by looking through the eyes of Vanguard.

Orwell: I tell you Winston, that reality is not external. Reality exists in the human mind, and nowhere else. Not in the individual mind, which can make mistakes, and in any case soon perishes: only in the mind of the party, which is collective and immortal. Whatever the party holds to be truth, is truth. It is impossible to see reality except by looking through the eyes of the Party.

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Ivy: How can I help seeing what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four, I said. Raniere; Sometimes. Sometimes, they are five. Sometimes, they are three. Sometimes, they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become integrated.

Orwell: How can I help seeing what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four.” “Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane.”

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Raniere: When finally you surrender, he told me, it must be of your own free will. I do not destroy the defiant one because she resists, so long as she resists me I never destroy her. I convert her, I capture her inner mind, I reshape her. I burn all evil and all illusion out of her; I bring her over to my side, not in appearance, but genuinely, heart and soul. I make her one of us before I kill her. That is what I mean by ‘I have had people killed for my beliefs’. It is intolerable that an erroneous thought should exist in NXIVM, however secret and powerless it may be. Even in the instant of death, I cannot permit deviation. I make the brain perfect before I blow it out. 

Orwell: When finally you surrender to us, it must be of your own free will. We do not destroy the heretic because he resists us: so long as he resists us we never destroy him. We convert him, we capture his inner mind, we reshape him. We burn all evil and all illusion out of him; we bring him over to our side, not in appearance, but genuinely, heart and soul. We make him one of ourselves before we kill him. It is intolerable to us that an erroneous thought should exist anywhere in the world, however secret and powerless it may be. Even in the instant of death we cannot permit any deviation. In the old days the heretic walked to the stake still a heretic, proclaiming his heresy, exulting in it. Even the victim of the Russian purges could carry rebellion locked up in his skull as he walked down the passage waiting for the bullet. But we make the brain perfect before we blow it out.

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Raniere: Things will happen to you from which you could not recover, if you lived a thousand years. If you try to leave me, never again will you be capable of ordinary human feeling. Everything will be dead inside you. Never again will you be capable of love, or friendship, or joy of living, or laughter, or curiosity, or courage, or integrity. You will be hollow. I will squeeze you empty and then I shall fill you with myself.

Orwell: Things will happen to you from which you could not recover, if you lived a thousand years. Never again will you be capable of ordinary human feeling. Everything will be dead inside you. Never again will you be capable of love, or friendship, or joy of living, or laughter, or curiosity, or courage, or integrity. You will be hollow. We shall squeeze you empty and then we shall fill you with ourselves.

 

Another comment raises this issue:

Did Ivy Nevares write the five part NXIVM Woman series? In part 5, eleven paragraphs down, first line says…
“All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always — do not forget this Ivy,”
Has Ivy just outed herself as the person writing these stories? Has she left Vanguard? Is that why her house windows are all covered up, so not one can look in?
Let’s hope this is a good sign for Ivy and she has finally gotten herself away from the crazy man. She’s smart and a good writer. When I first started to read these, I thought it might be her.

 

 

 

 





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  • > Ivy: How can I help seeing what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four, I said. Raniere; Sometimes. Sometimes, they are five. Sometimes, they are three. Sometimes, they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become integrated.

    It was when I came across this that I knew “NXIVM Woman” was full of bullshit.

  • Here are a few of the obvious reasons I can think of for this 1984 fanfic being submitted here:

    1) proving that this blog will publish anything without verifying it (which has always been completely transparent as its stance, given how many posts are sourced from anonymous commenters). The way some of the details in this post echo previous posts indicate this is an effort to discredit everything posted here. (Regardless, a disinformation campaign against this blog does little against the accounts that have been published and aired by mainstream press, which are held to strict standards of fact-checking and triple-sourcing.)

    2) taunting Catherine Oxenberg via some standard villainous mustache-twirling, as the post announces that Keith is taking pleasure in harming India and plans to do so indefinitely.

    3) veiled threats towards anyone inside, since they’re all in the 1984 book club, and will understand the message being sold here: claiming that the cult has broken everyone beyond repair already. That even if they try to leave physically, they will never heal mentally, and either way they’ll ultimately be killed someday. That love is meaningless, that people are selfish beings who ultimately only think of themselves when the chips are down, that freedom is slavery.

    Which is silly. 1984 is not a how-to manual, it’s an alarm bell.

    If there is something “hopeful” in this series being posted, I’d say it’s that it still appears to be deliberately aimed towards an audience of people left on the inside who are openly questioning everything now to sell them on a narrative of hopelessness. Even if this post was intended as a “prank,” it seems to concede thoughtcrime is becoming the norm. People are waking up and smelling the objective reality, and the only way the cult can cope is by weakly attempting to hammer in this doublethink nonsense. Except freedom is not slavery. And it’s too late. People have already glimpsed behind the curtain of the “smartest man in the world,” and learned there never was a great and powerful Oz in the first place.

    And omnipotent Big Brother figures with absolute power don’t flee the country in cowardice. Mark Vicente said in an interview that when he encountered the DOS women earlier this year, he was disturbed at their obvious similarities in behavior to the women of The Handmaid’s Tale. Which is a far more apt comparison to what NXIVM is trying to create than an Orwellian future, isn’t it? A private country, closed to the outside, founded on pure loathing for women?

    But just like in Gilead, no matter how hard this cult tries to break people down, there’s still something inside them that’s invincible. There’s always a piece left that Keith can’t touch. All his followers, one by one, are quietly discovering that invincible piece inside themselves. 1984 claims that last piece doesn’t exist, that the Party can destroy every last scrap of self and leave you hollow, but that’s already been proven false. Look at everyone who has undergone the worst this cult could dish out and walked away. Still standing. Still looking invincible.

    And NXIVM is getting tripped up by the exact same mistakes Gilead does. Mothers’ fierce unconditional love for their children has been this cult’s undoing for quite some time now. Keith underestimates that love because he doesn’t understand it. He never will. And soon, just like Gilead, this cult will be relegated to a footnote in the history books, too.

    Until then?

    Nolite te bastardes carborundorum, bitches.

  • credit to “sure, keith,” who commented on part four pointing this out. i just found some specific examples.

  • Faithful, good catch. Its been almost 40 years since I read that book, so I had forgotten that.

    It’s hilarious how the original text said “controlled ibsanity” and the word insanity was removed. Personally, I think that word really sums it all up, and should have been left in. Lol

    But do you think this is really Keith or his minions writing these posts, or just a bored troll? I agree that whatever is going on, these are definitely fake posts.

    • seems like a lot for a random bored troll. a bored NXIVM troll maybe. i thought keith because he’s always trying to scare people into thinking he’s more powerful than he is, plus the 1984 obsession, plus:

      like with the lecture on parasites, which describes him perfectly, and other things he’s said, it seems like he has a real weakness for seeing how obvious he can be, basically almost exposing himself, and still get away with it. so this seems to be similar.

      that said, maybe not. maybe its just someone in NXIVM trying to prove that people on frankreport will believe posts without proof, even with rampant plagiarism, so they can say, “fake news” and get doubters to stop trusting it

      • Whoever it is, I’m sure they are playing games with us (or trying to ). I don’t really think it’s a random troll, either.
        If what’s happened to me, over the last few years is really connected to NXIVM, I do know this kind of thing is par for the course. Trying to trick someone and pull it off, seems to really give these overgrown toddlers a weird thrill.
        Funny and sad at the same time.

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